P400 and touring

[roverrescue]

If I was to look at the new defender as a family wagon
I would find it hard to NOT consider a petrol

I’ve been looking for fuel specification on the P400
No luck thus far - will it be compatible on Opal (ie 91 octane) will the low octane skeet the fuel economy out the window???

I found this review on the P400 in a RRS - about the same weight as new defender
Despite the race car drivers being disappointed what was interesting was their
16mpg economy

From Google that is 14.5L/100 I assume them driving it hard would probably be similar to sensible off-road / sand driving. On 90L that’s 550km range with 10% reserve.
BR you might need me to carry a 44 of bang in the tray !

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[blackrangie]

If I was to look at the new defender as a family wagon
I would find it hard to NOT consider a petrol

I’ve been looking for fuel specification on the P400
No luck thus far - will it be compatible on Opal (ie 91 octane) will the low octane skeet the fuel economy out the window???

I found this review on the P400 in a RRS - about the same weight as new defender
Despite the race car drivers being disappointed what was interesting was their
16mpg economy

From Google that is 14.5L/100 I assume them driving it hard would probably be similar to sensible off-road / sand driving. On 90L that’s 550km range with 10% reserve.
BR you might need me to carry a 44 of bang in the tray !

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Dubbed P400, the petrol-powered Defender is again paired to an eight-speed automatic transmission and four-wheel drive (4WD), which will result in a 0-100km/h run in 6.1s, according US-spec data.

Fuel economy is rated between 11.2-12.1L/100km, with the 48-volt mild-hybrid system aiding in keeping fuel usage down.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/_4Qh6Rdi0yQ)

I would simply add a poly 40L tank to rack, with clear tube for offroad touring if im doing a trip that needs huge range between drinks.

Not bad for the enjoyment you would get having 400hp and 550nm torque + 0-100 in 6 seconds.
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[roverrescue]

Yeah I’ve seen that number and the RRS claims similar
But real world always trumps manufacturer specs ...

Is the donk in the US RRS the same p400
Seems on review it reads as the same system (48V mild hybrid etc etc)
And they claim 16mpg (US gallons i can only presume) that is a fair bit off ?

BR have you read or heard what fuel spec it drinks?

S

[blackrangie]

Heres the specs from US, crack the code if you dare [emoji1787]

It includes the new European standard of real-world testing figures.

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[blackrangie]

BR have you read or heard what fuel spec it drinks?

S

Nah sorry, good question though

[Pickles2]

P400 engine in a 90 would be pretty good, IMHO.
Pickles.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

compression of over 10 to 0ne... I doubt its gunna run on 91!! [bigrolf]

[PhilipA]

A Honda Jazz runs on 91 with a CR or 10.3 :1.

Re the P400.
Remember it is a MHEV , so I wonder what happens to performance and fuel economy if you are towing and don't brake often and the battery runs out.

Regrds PhilipA

[Rob66]

From Frankfurt .. P400 economy card .. most cars at the show had one of these next to it. 9.9l/100km combined - with E10 fuel.
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[roverrescue]

Thanks Rob
Assuming euro e10 is similar to Aus spec (and that might be a stretch!!!)
I believe it is supposed to be minimum RON94

If it will run on e10 rubbish I’m sure it will run on Opal but with reduced performance (opal = RON91) and likely slightly more fuel burn

Interesting the car and driver review on the P400 got 14.5l/100
I thought the new testing regime was supposed to be much more “real life accurate”

S

[greg-g]

I've just had a loaner E Pace Jag for a week which had an engine with identical specs to the P300 and it used RON 95

[scarry]

Interesting the car and driver review on the P400 got 14.5l/100
I thought the new testing regime was supposed to be much more “real life accurate”

S

That probably is close to real life....[bigrolf]

Unless you want to travel under the speed limit,country run, on the black top,unloaded,no accessories.

Bottom line is it needs a larger tank,particularly if towing or doing remote area travel.

Hopefully the after market guys will be onto it.

[blackrangie]

Thanks Rob
Assuming euro e10 is similar to Aus spec (and that might be a stretch!!!)
I believe it is supposed to be minimum RON94

If it will run on e10 rubbish I’m sure it will run on Opal but with reduced performance (opal = RON91) and likely slightly more fuel burn

Interesting the car and driver review on the P400 got 14.5l/100
I thought the new testing regime was supposed to be much more “real life accurate”

SThat was in a RRS, completely different vehicle

Based on this @ 9.9L it gives 900km blacktop range stock. Which is plenty for road any day of the week.

Maybe 1/3 off that for off-road touring or 600km range.

40L in a poly and your sorted and only 45kgs added.

Giving you approx 985km offroad range without a long range tank.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191113/13d3c5949e7929b867d74b229a28171a.jpg

[blackrangie]

I've just had a loaner E Pace Jag for a week which had an engine with identical specs to the P300 and it used RON 95I think p300 is in US spec def, not AU

[PhilipA]

European standard is 95RON.
Australian standard was set at 91 as our oil refineries at the time werer optimised for 91.
I sat next to the bloke who set the standard once on a flight from Thailand to OZ.

Regards PhilipA

[roverrescue]

[/I]That was in a RRS, completely different vehicle[I]


Yup - it is a different vehicle - but JLR claim the RRS with P400 economy at 8L/100
Real world testing it gets 14.5l/100

Does that mean in the defender claiming 9.9 that real world will be 16-17!!!!!!

BR once you have your new jalopy.
Let’s find a pub 850km from your place
You get there on the main tank I’ll buy the beers!!!

S

[blackrangie]

[/I]That was in a RRS, completely different vehicle[I]


Yup - it is a different vehicle - but JLR claim the RRS with P400 economy at 8L/100
Real world testing it gets 14.5l/100

Does that mean in the defender claiming 9.9 that real world will be 16-17!!!!!!

BR once you have your new jalopy.
Let’s find a pub 850km from your place
You get there on the main tank I’ll buy the beers!!!

SCant see any 8s here.

Also a journalist thrashing it is not real world..driving up the freeway is real world.
Haha..your on for the distance challenge

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[roverrescue]

My mistake
I found the 30.7mpg on a US spec sheet and so did conversion according to US gallons (just under 8L/100)

Either way I agree the 14s is probably a good flog number but the question is:

Journalist Flogging < or > low range +/- soft sand @ GVM on 91RON

My guess is in touring spec you will be using 14-15 as a burn number?
As you say not the end of the world but another 50-60L would be nicer.

S