Tesla Cybertruck reveal

[goingbush]

livestream
Cybertruck Unveil (https://livestream.tesla.com/'redirect=no&utm_source=communication&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CyberTruckUnveil&utm_term=%7Blocale%3Aen_AU%3BLLC%3Aknown%3BbizUnit %3Avehicles%3Bvariant%3ALiveCast%3BSendDate%3A2019-11-21%7D&utm_content=product_launch&smc_id=167350606&fbclid=IwAR1BjTvrevrVuvkTKnynXeqnpM8Gc27Qs0tR4ay7Q Lbd0j0Ur4GSzxb_rs4)


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[goingbush]

A hell of a lot cheaper the Bollinger.
The looks will take some getting used to !!

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/76911427_2561991167215991_85353146339033088_o.jpg? _nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=OvtgIrlwJCcAQkL6XZB3Je8_R1iowRl2Q6EYODyX-9oE71y_Y0cdDb_rA&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=7e9e7485c5b9564f5b83c78e6f4f9a94&oe=5E7FC74B

[Don 130]

Does a 44 fit in the boot?
Don.

[goingbush]

Does a 44 fit in the boot?
Don.

If not standing up you'd certainly put a few laying down , bed is 6.5' long 3500lb payload (body is all Stainless steel)

more details https://www.automobilemag.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-electric-pickup-truck-photos-range-specs/

https://www.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2019/11/Tesla-Cybertruck-Electric-Pickup-Truck-Bed-with-Tailgate-and-Tonneau-Cover-Open.jpg?fit=around%7C875:492

[JDNSW]

From the pictures, it would make a good solar oven. And appears to have been styled to have a low radar crossection!

But yes, the prices do look feasible, but would be a lot easier to assess if there was more data on it. I presume these are US prices, which would make the Australian prices around $60k up, realistically.

[shanegtr]

That looks terrible.

[NavyDiver]

Tesla has unveiled its "Cybertruck" pickup truck, but not without an embarrassing moment on stage.
The truck's windows were smashed during a demonstration supposed to show how hard they were to break.
Mr Musk was heard to swear before joking: "Room for improvement."
The truck was unveiled in Hawthorne, California, where its stainless steel, angular design was greeted with cheers but also bemusement.

[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

[goingbush]

Hawthorne eh, wonder if its any coincidence a vehicle that looks ready to take on the Zombie Apocalypse is launched where the LA Riots took place !!

[goingbush]

That looks terrible.


Agree, but not as terrible as the new JLR 'thing' . Yes I would have one , but not the other !!


I wonder if the caravan is powered ?
https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78709065_3874385822587057_6345349958299811840_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=Gt_BRCla20wAQn1xQHSwMhZSQqAhChRIfapW1vW3hM APFGz72zyCYbAmQ&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=996b2c84c853b675422359b0fc4faef8&oe=5E840B99

[NavyDiver]

video was cool. Broke one window then a second just to prove it"Tesla armor glass"
A D4 "APPROACH ANGLE 32.2°; RAMP ANGLE 22.8°; DEPARTURE ANGLE 22.2°; TURNING CIRCLE. Kerb-to-kerb 11.45m; Turns lock-to-lock 3.32. Ground clearance 185mm to 310mm or 7.28346 to 12.2047"



GROUND CLEARANCE upto 16 inches (air suspension ?)



APPROACH ANGLE 35 degrees
[
DEPARTURE ANGLE 28 Degrees

Not a D3/4 off road beast with out mods perhaps. Ground clearance is better assuming its legitimate
Link to Teslar (https://www.tesla.com/en_au/cybertruck)
IO wonder how it goes off road. Tires set. range looks ok [thumbsupbig] Tesla Cybertruck: Elon Musk's new vehicle smashed during demo - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-50514026/tesla-cybertruck-elon-musk-s-new-vehicle-smashed-during-demo)

[manic]

It looks half baked, but I love it. Flat sides, boxy angles, no nonsense interior, tough raw metal stainless panels.

Who started to think cars like this could no longer be made? That they were all being rounded and softened by a common algorithm ?

A car like this makes land rover look unadventurous. I really hope Tesla gets this out on the road here in Aus!

[JDNSW]

It looks half baked, but I love it. Flat sides, boxy angles, no nonsense interior, tough raw metal stainless panels.

Who started to think cars like this could no longer be made? That they were all being rounded and softened by a common algorithm ?

A car like this makes land rover look unadventurous. I really hope Tesla gets this out on the road here in Aus!

The reason cars tend to look very similar these days, is that fuel efficiency rules mean a lot of design work is done in wind tunnels, and using this data to style cars means similar rounded shapes. Also, when designing a vehicle with a stressed skin, using flat panels rather than curved ones makes them a lot weaker, and even if the skin is not stressed, flat panels are a lot noisier than curved ones, as they will "drum" unless very thick. This means it ends up heavier than it would be with curved panels. And while the extremely low angle windscreen reduces drag, the sharp angles increase it, as do the flat sides.

Having said this, I rather like the design - except for low angle windscreen. This is absolutely ridiculous in this climate, and would rule it out as a possibility for me, or anyone else in this country with common sense.

[DiscoMick]

Can I get 12 bags of goat poo in the back? Not interested, unless it passes the Goat Poo Test. [emoji1]

[PhilipA]

EMMA Chissit?

Regards PhilipA

[goingbush]

EMMA Chissit?

Regards PhilipA

US$39k for the 2WD base model, 49k dual motor 4x4 , 69k dual rear motors / single front , add 7k for Autopilot

Thats pretty good value .

[goingbush]

Wow ! Tesla have already more than 200,000 reservations , not even 24hours in . Thats $30,000,000 in deposits.

Does Tesla Already Have Over 200,000 Cybertruck Reservations? (https://insideevs.com/news/383886/tesla-cybertruck-reservation-count/amp/?fbclid=IwAR0K8PNPvokrr9xE_cZIS1O1-h-ftFLh8qpoOPEwUyaIafCRlej088vz-rU)

[loanrangie]

Wow, obviously no stylists work at Tesla - a 4yo has designed that.

[goingbush]

Wow, obviously no stylists work at Tesla - a 4yo has designed that.

Actually , no a 4 year old designed this

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75339416_2532319646849810_8729720264062926848_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=-Ma2w2FyHDMAQmHBjrc0jEdJF90Ws7i-f0bq-3KEjFIqUS5V4tg8GUFAQ&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=5f83a7b6332c2a73713bdc09bf38d7f4&oe=5E830864

[Blknight.aus]

Not seeing the failure,

the object failed to penetrate the window...

Seen what happens to a normal car window when you try that on?

[Slunnie]

Does a 44 fit in the boot?
Don.

I was wondering does a 44 fit under the guards. :lol2:

Looks like it would be the Volvo XC100

[DiscoMick]

Elon Musk's net worth plunges $768m in a day after cybertruck fiasco

Elon Musk's net worth plunges $768m in a day after cybertruck fiasco | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/22/elon-musk-net-worth-tesla-cybertruck?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard)

[goingbush]

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[DiscoMick]

Elon Musk: 150,000 orders for Tesla cybertruck despite disastrous launch

Elon Musk: 150,000 orders for Tesla cybertruck despite disastrous launch | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/23/elon-musk-tesla-cybertruck-launch-windows-steel-balls?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard)

[JDNSW]

I've just seen that the figure is now supposed to be 200,000 - but it also pointed out that these are actually reservations in the queue, not actual orders. Their main function, as far as I can see is to give the company an indication as to how many people actually think it is good enough to plonk down even a small sum of money.

This is likely to inform their decisions on whether to go ahead and whether to stick with the published time frame, or to redesign it or delay it or even to drop the whole idea. The response seems to indicate that they are likely go ahead with vehicle (although expect it to be significantly different when it actually appears), and do their best, however good that may be, to meet the suggested time frame.

As it stands, it is difficult seeing it meet Australian ADRs, and one issue I see is that it probably had a GVM that takes it outside the most common class C licence conditions - with a 1.5 tonne payload and a battery capacity to move that mass for even the 400km version, it is difficult to see it being under 4.5 tonnes. No empty mass seems to be specified.

And it is more than a metre longer than a 130, not to mention wider, and 130s have enough parking issues!

[loanrangie]

Has Stevie Wonder been at the PC again, only a blind man would buy that thing.

[goingbush]

Has Stevie Wonder been at the PC again, only a blind man would buy that thing.

Strangely I'm blind in one eye ( Failed graft & cataract) & cant see out the other eye when my contact lens falls out (Keratakonus) I actually really like it . Happily own one so long as it is optioned with a round steering wheel, That stupid Cessna yoke has no place in a car IMO.

[Homestar]

Wondering how it would pass pedestrian impact ADR’s and similar regs in Europe - angles at the front and points near the headlights are a no no - even in England where you can road register a couch, that wouldn’t pass in certain areas. Probably only ’muricans will get to drive it (Thankfully - it’s ****ing ugly)

[DiscoMick]

Really ugly thing that. Certainly wouldn't be welcome in my garage.

[AK83]

Irrespective of the looks, can't wait to see the payout to the poor soul that get their lungs punctured when some idiot backs into them with the rear corners of this projectile!

looks 'interesting', can't imagine it to be very aerodynamically stable at any speed either tho.

[manic]

It does raise a few questions. If the exterior is a super tough bullet proof exoskeleton that doesn't even bend when hit with a sledge hammer (supposedly so it can hold a heavy payload without need for chassis rails) - how will it respond in an accident?

Maybe everything ahead of the bulkhead/firewall is soft, or it deploys pedestrian airbags?

I doubt they would have built a car that can't meet US and European regs. So should make it to AUS too - I really hope so!!

[Red90]

It is just a concept.

[manic]

It is just a concept.A concept with pre orders? So a scam to raise capital?

It looks so utterly rediculous that I can see it getting shelved or heavily revised.


But I am really hoping he has the balls to send this one out as advertised!

[Red90]

It is not pre orders. A deposit. Fully refundable at any time.

[Eevo]

It is just a concept.
scam you mean.

[Homestar]

It does raise a few questions. If the exterior is a super tough bullet proof exoskeleton that doesn't even bend when hit with a sledge hammer (supposedly so it can hold a heavy payload without need for chassis rails) - how will it respond in an accident?

Maybe everything ahead of the bulkhead/firewall is soft, or it deploys pedestrian airbags?

I doubt they would have built a car that can't meet US and European regs. So should make it to AUS too - I really hope so!!

Euro regs for pedestrian impact require minimum radius of 20mm on edges. Can’t have anything that ends in a point either, so where the headlight meets the bodywork is also a no no. That’s one (not the only) reason they can’t have bullbars like we do here. No way those angles meet these regs. Electric Jesus wouldn’t have though far enough ahead to be meeting any regs, he’s only scamming money out of the gullible to prop up his other hair brained schemes.

[JDNSW]

I don't think it is a scam - I see it as a way for the company to determine interest in their planned developments. They have done the same sort of thing for previous models, and most notably for their self driving. Just haven't raised eyebrows to the same extent, since they didn't look as outrageous! Nor did musk try to break their windows!

[goingbush]

Watch Tesla Cybertruck in tug of war against Ford F150 and size comparison - Electrek (https://electrek.co/2019/11/25/tesla-cybertruck-tug-war-against-ford-f150-size-comparison/?fbclid=IwAR356_GouVLw8VPACO2sKp0cly-2DDB23cd9xIQSV9Y9-ahwUqGiehHyI3M)

really these comparisons mean nothing, and its a 2WD Ford , but FWIW ....

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/11/Tesla-Cybertruck-vs-Ford-F150-1.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1600

[goingbush]

Looks like the aerodynamics are good.

If slabs sides and sharp angles were bad the F117 probably would not fly so well.


Are the boxy Tesla Cybertruck's aerodynamics any good? An engineer found out - Electrek (https://electrek.co/2019/11/25/tesla-cybertruck-aerodynamics-cfd-rendering/?fbclid=IwAR3o8V7l4bMG6q8BfN5NbmO-RKVbC-L_CM4aYrPrAgmVDMopCn-joEhNvf4)

[Tombie]

I'm intending to design a wrap to go on ours when / if it finally arrives.

I like the simplicity of its geometric design, a true case of function over form.

Will see what happens, hopefully have mine in a couple of years [biggrin]

[JDNSW]

Without a lot of computer assistance the F117 can't fly - so that is no advertisement for the aerodynamics of that sort of thing. But having said that, I suspect the aerodynamics are better than the conventional ute seen in that video, if not as good as they could have been.

[cripesamighty]

They didn't call the F-117 the 'Wobblin' Goblin' for nothing. If the fly-by-wire failed you pretty much had to eject as it was virtually uncontrollable with the amount of vortices generated. As an aside though, one of the test aircraft lost one of the V-tail vertical stabilisers and the fly-by-wire did such a good job, he didn't even know it was gone until the chase pilot told him to put it on the ground pronto!

[W&KO]

Kings is ready to kit it out

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191126/3bd28590476e3f5f3d759f9657e45bb1.jpg

[Tombie]

Won’t find any 4wD **** store gear in or on anything I own [emoji48]

[Eevo]

155930

[Homestar]

Watch Tesla Cybertruck in tug of war against Ford F150 and size comparison - Electrek (https://electrek.co/2019/11/25/tesla-cybertruck-tug-war-against-ford-f150-size-comparison/?fbclid=IwAR356_GouVLw8VPACO2sKp0cly-2DDB23cd9xIQSV9Y9-ahwUqGiehHyI3M)

really these comparisons mean nothing, and its a 2WD Ford , but FWIW ....

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/11/Tesla-Cybertruck-vs-Ford-F150-1.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1600

Yes, gives a good idea to its overall size though. 👍

[Tombie]

Watch Tesla Cybertruck in tug of war against Ford F150 and size comparison - Electrek (https://electrek.co/2019/11/25/tesla-cybertruck-tug-war-against-ford-f150-size-comparison/?fbclid=IwAR356_GouVLw8VPACO2sKp0cly-2DDB23cd9xIQSV9Y9-ahwUqGiehHyI3M)

really these comparisons mean nothing, and its a 2WD Ford , but FWIW ....

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/11/Tesla-Cybertruck-vs-Ford-F150-1.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1600

The demo Tesla is also 2wd. In this case it’s weight that won.

[manic]

Yes, gives a good idea to its overall size though. [emoji106]A Hummer for Millennials!

[Tombie]

A Hummer for Millennials!

Millennials don’t drive much, and don’t want motorcycles.

[Eevo]

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[manic]

Millennials don’t drive much, and don’t want motorcycles.Isn't that gen Z now? Millennials are getting into cash, and will be buying into EVs.

[Tombie]

Isn't that gen Z now? Millennials are getting into cash, and will be buying into EVs.

Sorry yes, my error.

[Eevo]

155948

[Tombie]

155948

Haha. Don’t you do any work?

[PECOX]

155948

Ladders on top should be eeeeeeaaasy to reach[emoji23]
Wont affect aerodynamics that!

[4bee]

It may be a better Deafener than the new one. Weeeeeeell, it could.[biggrin]

[tfredj]

I had hopped that the early internet speculation pictures of the Tesla pickup were accurate as they would have had my order without delay

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.hiptoro.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F06%2FTesla-Pickup-Truck.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

I would love to have an electric version of my two landy cab chassis with decks (1983 109 V8 and a 2013 130) but what they have come up with is "FUGLY" nobody is coming up with a good cab-over design that would maximise load space......

[goingbush]

I had hopped that the early internet speculation pictures of the Tesla pickup were accurate as they would have had my order without delay



I would love to have an electric version of my two landy cab chassis with decks (1983 109 V8 and a 2013 130) but what they have come up with is "FUGLY" nobody is coming up with a good cab-over design that would maximise load space......


Never say never , have you not seen Neuron EV ??

I'll start a new thread on it.

[DiscoMick]

This is a real Tesla truck. I like it.

Google Image Result for https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/semi_front_78.jpg (https://images.app.goo.gl/HgzwxFPgHSsU562L9)

[Tombie]

Imagine if they tried to release this now..

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191128/ff42bc1a09f22fff4369ffa96d99822d.jpg

[manic]

The Tesla CyberTruck is more Defender than the Pretender!

[goingbush]

The Tesla CyberTruck is more Defender than the Pretender!

so true!

[Tombie]

The Tesla CyberTruck is more Defender than the Pretender!

Do you think this wasn’t said in the context of:

Xc to Xd, XF to EA
VL to VN
HT to HQ
WB to VQ
MkIII Cortina to TC

No need to rename a product just because an evolution occurred.

[goingbush]

Do you think this wasn’t said in the context of:

Xc to Xd, XF to EA
VL to VN
HT to HQ
WB to VQ
MkIII Cortina to TC

No need to rename a product just because an evolution occurred.

Not sure I follow,

Falcon evolved all the way from 1961 XK through to 2016 FG , the next Ford to replace them was the Mustang

WB was a Kingswood, VQ was a Caprice,

what about the ZB is no more a Commodore that the Pretender is a Defender

[Tombie]

Exactly evolved - with some fundamentally HUGE changes during evolution. And that was over shorter timeframes.

Everyone went mental at the VN, the XD and it’s boxy shape, The VQ Stato looked nothing like the predecessor.

The later Commy Coupe copped a flogging for not being a real Monaro..

The Defender wasn’t a basic box because they wanted it to be, it *needed to be*, it was because the Poms were broke, and LR needed something cheap as all heck that could do the job. Back then nobody had home AC either... fast forward... almost everyone has AC, safety laws have changed, the markets are saturated and the average punter - not one of the ****y 5k buyers globally - wants more. So why is there a problem with the name?

[Tombie]

Not sure I follow,

Falcon evolved all the way from 1961 XK through to 2016 FG , the next Ford to replace them was the Mustang

WB was a Kingswood, VQ was a Caprice,

what about the ZB is no more a Commodore that the Pretender is a Defender

WB was a Stato btw...
VQ was a Stato

[16PMark]

Am running out of Popcorn......
Anyone??

[Eevo]

ive got more funny images. stand by

[Tombie]

ive got more funny images. stand by

Bring them on. I love the way the internet gets into this stuff

[Eevo]

Bring them on. I love the way the internet gets into this stuff

delivery date 2021 [bigwhistle]

[DazzaTD5]

Agree, but not as terrible as the new JLR 'thing' . Yes I would have one , but not the other !!



For someone that very successfully built and drives an electric series Land Rover your tastes are just all very odd [tonguewink]

(not directed at goingbush)
Besides, arent we STILL waiting on the production tesla truck? what happened to this glorious truck that was going to transform the transport industry.

So I wonder how many years on years is it going to be before this 4x4 triangle wedge thing is in production.

*sound of crickets chirping*

[goingbush]

Looks better than a 'supercar'

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79077562_2893583837320608_4696530395825438720_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=w0u1kS6Dzc4AQl4cRVul1s5OiDyxLb_a_C3v_LWH3X D24Pt_Nd2omPtLg&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=f2a953c3430737282ef80f5c59f54498&oe=5E823610

[PhilipA]

Geez, imaging two of those trying to overtake each other at Olympic Park, or any street track for that matter.

At least the panels should not show too much damge.LOL
Regards PhilipA

[DazzaTD5]

Looks better than a 'supercar'

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79077562_2893583837320608_4696530395825438720_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=w0u1kS6Dzc4AQl4cRVul1s5OiDyxLb_a_C3v_LWH3X D24Pt_Nd2omPtLg&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=f2a953c3430737282ef80f5c59f54498&oe=5E823610

Dressing it up like a silk purse still makes it a sours ear.
Cover a dog poo with sprinkles and its still poo.
[bigrolf]

[Disco-tastic]

Dressing it up like a silk purse still makes it a sours ear.
Cover a dog poo with sprinkles and its still poo.
[bigrolf]

But that there is extremely quick poo [emoji90]

[DazzaTD5]

But that there is extremely quick poo [emoji90]

Thats not even a talking point anymore, pretty well all electric cars kill anything in its class for acceleration. Some of the Tesla models (no i dont really know which is which, nor care) do 10 second quarter mile times which is awesome, just dont smash it cuz you aint buying parts for it.

I'd like to see goingbush's ESLR (Electric Series Land Rover) doing a drag run against a v8 Land Cruiser or a VW amorok [tonguewink]

[DazzaTD5]

Besides tesla missed the boat yet again, a tesla puckup / ute has already been done, its old new [bigrolf]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/FCKjmfsgBBY)

[goingbush]

Thats not even a talking point anymore, pretty well all electric cars kill anything in its class for acceleration. Some of the Tesla models (no i dont really know which is which, nor care) do 10 second quarter mile times which is awesome, just dont smash it cuz you aint buying parts for it.

I'd like to see goingbush's ESLR (Electric Series Land Rover) doing a drag run against a v8 Land Cruiser or a VW amorok [tonguewink]


Smashing them = a supply of salvage parts for DIY conversions .


https://youtu.be/sqKR5jef3QM

[Tombie]

Thai version

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191201/1cfbd9606f7a21945e946dc5306ec5b9.jpg

[DazzaTD5]

Smashing them = a supply of salvage parts for DIY conversions .


https://youtu.be/sqKR5jef3QM

That's pretty cool.
Another point about converting an old car into electric is it actually is a better thing for the environment, re-use, re-purpose. It's not buying yet another new consumer product.

[goingbush]

I didn't know Elon was a bogan!

Elon Musk Unable To Confirm Or Deny Reports He's Taking The Cyber Ute To Deni Next Year — The Betoota Advocate (https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/elon-musk-unable-to-confirm-or-deny-reports-hes-taking-the-cyber-ute-to-deni-next-year/?fbclid=IwAR1ys9DJ4KWQ4FbHSu1kkwVpkWuqXbZmUhh4HfMU Hz3B0z9zKo8JLDXxyFM)

[p38arover]

Didn't Musk crash it yesterday?

Wait, he only ran over a bollard.

[PhilipA]

On order...
Tesla Cybertruck Tri-Motor AWD due 2021

Production now starts only late 2021.

ADR certification?

single motor not now due until late 2022.

Normal Musk bs on production dates as per model 3.

Regards PhilipA

[Tombie]

Production now starts only late 2021.

ADR certification?

single motor not now due until late 2022.

Normal Musk bs on production dates as per model 3.

Regards PhilipA





Old comments nothing new there...

Will easily meet ADRs for its class.
Single motor was always last model to be released.

Production in 2021 was already known at show.

Usual PhilipA negative post [emoji6]

[PhilipA]

Usual PhilipA negative post


Er shouldn't that read accurate or realistic .
My posts are always backed by facts.

Musk recently tweeted that production was not to start until LATE 2021 .How late one wonders.

Regards PhilipA


Limited production
of the Model 3
began in mid-2017, with the first production
vehicle rolling off the assembly line on July 7, 2017, with the official launch and delivery of the first
30 cars on July 28.

The first delivery to Australia was August 2019 according to media reports with customer deliveries in September.

So 2 years after first production was the first deliver y in Australia.

[Tombie]

Er shouldn't that read accurate or realistic .
My posts are always backed by facts.

Musk recently tweeted that production was not to start until LATE 2021 .How late one wonders.

Regards PhilipA


The first delivery to Australia was August 2019 according to media reports with customer deliveries in September.

So 2 years after first production was the first deliver y in Australia.

Thats where you got it wrong!

Delivery was always quoted as 2021 at the earliest. I have it on my Order form [smilebigeye]

[DiscoMick]

Elon Musk set to cash in at Tesla as deliveries and shares soar

Elon Musk set to cash in at Tesla as deliveries and shares soar | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/18/elon-musk-tesla-fifty-billion-dollar-pay-package-shares-soar?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard)

[JDNSW]

Pointed out in an aticle on Ars Technica last week that Tesla is now valued by the stock market at more than Ford and GM - combined.

This could be seen as an indicator of either the future of the car industry - or what is wrong with the financial system!

[stealth]

This is what you get when you have two drunken Russian roof plumbers with guillotine and a folder and tell them to build you a car. Then don’t pay them.

[Eevo]

Pointed out in an aticle on Ars Technica last week that Tesla is now valued by the stock market at more than Ford and GM - combined.

This could be seen as an indicator of either the future of the car industry - or what is wrong with the financial system!


when there a tesla in my street, i'll you know.
when they are no GM or fords, i'll let you know

[DiscoMick]

Lots of Teslas running around Brisbane.
The share price simply shows that investors regard EVs as the future of motoring.
The manufacturers agree and are rushing their own models to market.
Some cities and countries are moving to phase out ICE vehicles by about 2030.
Australia is WAY behind world trends, thanks to poor leadership.

[travelrover]

Lots of Teslas running around Brisbane.
The share price simply shows that investors regard EVs as the future of motoring.
The manufacturers agree and are rushing their own models to market.
Some cities and countries are moving to phase out ICE vehicles by about 2030.
Australia is WAY behind world trends, thanks to poor leadership.

Zero leadership.. an opportunity to be a world leader in renewables but we get Zip

[Eevo]

Australia is WAY behind world trends, thanks to poor leadership.

thanks to people not wanting to buy that product.

when you say leadership, what you really mean is forcing people to agree with a certain opinion.

[DiscoMick]

thanks to people not wanting to buy that product.

when you say leadership, what you really mean is forcing people to agree with a certain opinion.No I don't mean that at all. It's a free market, so people can buy what they choose.

[Tombie]

Zero leadership.. an opportunity to be a world leader in renewables but we get Zip

What ideas do you have regarding this?
Nobody invests without huge subsidies at this point in time, nobody here has such capital so those that do are all overseas.

[Homestar]

No I don't mean that at all. It's a free market, so people can buy what they choose.

So who is showing poor leadership and why say that then say it’s a fee market? Sorry but not sure what point you’re trying to make?

[DiscoMick]

Governments set the ground rules for how the free market works.
Other countries have put in place regulatory measures to encourage the growth of renewables, have introduced the latest fuel quality standards, have set tighter overall emissions rules for each manufacturer and encouraged more recharging stations, but we are lagging well behind.

[Eevo]

Governments set the ground rules for how the free market works.
Other countries have put in place regulatory measures to encourage the growth of renewables, have introduced the latest fuel quality standards, have set tighter overall emissions rules for each manufacturer and encouraged more recharging stations, but we are lagging well behind.

lol
thats not a free market.

[DiscoMick]

That's how markets work. Look around you.

[PhilipA]

That's how markets work. Look around you.

No mate that is how crazy socialism works.

It was only a few years ago that the European Governments were lauding diesels and giving big concessions for fuel cost and registration.

Everyone has now been left high and dry with bans on going into some cities.

In Australia we have for some time now starting with the de regulation of dairy, wheat, barley, etc made a level playing field for each industry so that the economy is most efficient. That is how we have become the richest country in the World.

I applaud The Australian Government policy of not giving preference to industry sectors.
Regards PhilipA

[Homestar]

That's how markets work. Look around you.

That’s not at all how it works... Governments that are making it easier for EV’s are doing so by spending or wasting vast quantities of tax payers money doing so - either by giving huge subsidies to the OEM’s or slugging the public horrendous amounts to keep ICE vehicles - that’s not a free market, that’s damn near a dictatorship. [emoji6]

[DiscoMick]

Governments pass laws which set the rules for how markets work. We have a huge numbers of laws in Australia, covering every industry. Even when governments claim to deregulate, all they do is reduce the amount of regulation. The only so-called 'free' markets are the illegal ones, which governments hate.

[trout1105]

Governments pass laws which set the rules for how markets work.

That is NOT how a Free market works Mick.
When ANY government fiddles about with markets via subsidies, taxes or creating new laws they ALWAYS Stuff it up.

[DiscoMick]

That is NOT how a Free market works Mick.
When ANY government fiddles about with markets via subsidies, taxes or creating new laws they ALWAYS Stuff it up.Okay, so can you name a market which is totally free of government regulation?

[Eevo]

Okay, so can you name a market which is totally free of government regulation?

Somalia?

[PhilipA]

So Disco Mick , It looks like I have to provide you with some definition of Free markets( with regulation ) and government mandated markets.

The AWB was a controlled market. Every farmer had to sell their wheat to the AWB. They could not sell to anyone else.
No company could import wheat to Australia . Ir was prohibited.

Now farmers can sell to any trader. They can store wheat on farm. If meeting quarantine they can import wheat.
That is a free market.
Similarly with Barley.
Similarly with the handling of wheat through the NSW Grains Board . Farmers could only move their wheat using Nsw Grains Board wagons. Now they can use trucks, cars whatever.
Similarly with Milk regulation. farmers could only sell their milk to the local coop or company and the coop or company had a local monopoly. Now Farmers can sell to anyone and there are no local monopolies.
Here endeth the lesson.
Do you see the difference?
One the seller can only sell to one organisation run by the Government, the other the seller can sell to anyone while abiding by some regulations.
Regards PhilipA

[DiscoMick]

Yes, but there are still regulations, as you said, so it's not a free market.

[DiscoMick]

Somalia?The Federal Government of Somalia might have something to say about that.

[trout1105]

Okay, so can you name a market which is totally free of government regulation?

Gumtree [biggrin]

[Homestar]

Cash economy is free from government regulation - they try hard to stop it but they haven’t managed to regulate it at all - No rules on what can and can’t be done, no tax, no one knows. Still going on a LOT and with big money. [emoji6]

[Tombie]

If you haven’t seen it... I’d give this a go!


YouTube (https://youtu.be/q1SrE_cBoTc)

[DiscoMick]

Gumtree [biggrin]Consumer Affairs laws apply to Gumtree.

[DiscoMick]

Cash economy is free from government regulation - they try hard to stop it but they haven’t managed to regulate it at all - No rules on what can and can’t be done, no tax, no one knows. Still going on a LOT and with big money. [emoji6]There are government rules about the cash economy, such as 10% GST, but they are being ignored.

[scarry]

There are government rules about the cash economy, such as 10% GST, but they are being ignored.

GST is a tiny part of the cash economy,that isn't collected.There are huge amounts of other taxes that are not payed.
Successive governments have tried to kill it,sort of,and succeeded in some areas,but failed miserably in most.

[DiscoMick]

So here's a hilarious ****take of Tesla owners by a Tesla owner. I fell about laughing. Thought you might enjoy it.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/PLxPAwIeL0w)

[PhilipA]

G7Avery funny video but with a high element of truth.

I read some time ago that typically in the USA a Tesla is a fifth family car.

Also in a separate article that 70% of EV owners in Sweden also retained an ICE car.

So the virtue signallers also like to hedge their bets.

regards PhilipA

[Eevo]

Thought you might enjoy it.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/PLxPAwIeL0w)


ha, yeah it was good.

[Homestar]

There are government rules about the cash economy, such as 10% GST, but they are being ignored.

Correct, as I said - they can’t enforce anything here so it’s a free for all (Thankfully) [emoji6]

[rick130]

ha, yeah it was good.He's made quite a few vids on vegans, yoga teachers, etc.
All bloody funny.
All my old vego yoga teacher mates think he's hilarious, he nails it.

[DiscoMick]

Tesla is to build a factory near Berlin to manufacture in Europe.

German court says Tesla can clear trees to build car factory

German court says Tesla can clear trees to build car factory | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/21/german-court-tesla-can-clear-trees-car-factory?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard)

[PhilipA]

How predictable is this?
I think I predicted it waaaay back in 2019 or thereabouts.
And it will not be the same as the prototypes.
Tesla Hits Record $5.5B Profit, But Musk Says No Cybertruck, Semi, or Roadster in 2022 (thedrive.com) (https://www.thedrive.com/news/44039/tesla-hits-record-5-5b-profit-but-musk-says-no-cybertruck-semi-or-roadster-in-2022)

Regards PhilipA

[NavyDiver]

How predictable is this?
I think I predicted it waaaay back in 2019 or thereabouts.
And it will not be the same as the prototypes.
Tesla Hits Record $5.5B Profit, But Musk Says No Cybertruck, Semi, or Roadster in 2022 (thedrive.com) (https://www.thedrive.com/news/44039/tesla-hits-record-5-5b-profit-but-musk-says-no-cybertruck-semi-or-roadster-in-2022)

Regards PhilipA

But he is off to the Moon or Mars? and I think the flame throwers sold a few or perhaps not? "Elon Musk might be designing some headphones, if a new Tesla patent trademark application is any indication."

I wonder if that funds the moon shot or it is US taxpayers and a few savy investors who will know when to bail out?[biggrin]