3801 back in steam

[Tote]

Locomotive 3801 Project | THNSW (https://www.thnsw.com.au/3801-project)

3801 has passed her boiler test and is now able to run at 245lbs of pressure for the first time in many years. I'm looking forward to seeing her on the rails again, Garrets are nice but there's something special about the 38s



Regards,
Tote

[Scouse]

It returns to service on the 27th of March:

https://www.thnsw.com.au/3801

I'll have to find out what time it leaves Thirlmere to watch it through Douglas Park .[B]

[4bee]

I haven't followed any previous Posts on 3801, but always pleased when a Tea Kettle is back on the rails & moving as they were designed to & not rust away in some lonely back block.

Congratulations to all concerned.[smilebigeye]

[Tote]

WooHoo, hopefully it will be down this way in the second half of the year, I still like chasing the 38s even better than the Garrett.

Regards,
Tote

[ezyrama]

I was really looking forward to seeing it again, my Grandfather built the boilers on the 38 Class, but I just read on Stalkbook that Transport Heritage's relaunch on march 28th has been postponed.

[4bee]

Bummer! Disappointed for you considering you GP's Connections.[bigsad]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

a small setback,,
however--
just beautiful......
(clicky)

https://www.facebook.com/TransportHeritageNSW/videos/535426397405491/

[4bee]

Looks like a driver having a sneaky fag before moving out.[biggrin]

[Pickles2]

Fantastic, I love steam, having grown up just around the corner from the Beyer Peacock Loco works in Manchester, where nearly 9000 steam locos were made, many destined for Aussie. As young boys, we all went "train spotting", and a great many of us wanted to be engine drivers, steam of course!
Pickles.

[p38arover]

What happened to the made in Germany boiler that didn't fit?

[Scouse]

It wasn't used in the end. It could well be used for 3830 if it can be made to fit.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Locomotive 3801 Project | THNSW (https://www.thnsw.com.au/3801-project)

3801 has passed her boiler test and is now able to run at 245lbs of pressure for the first time in many years. I'm looking forward to seeing her on the rails again, Garrets are nice but there's something special about the 38s



Regards,
Tote


Naval Boilers took some time to catch up,, but just before WWII they were using 600lbs reliably....

maybe this should have gone in the Useless Triva thread........ [bigrolf]

[Tote]

It seems that high pressure steam in locomotives in general was not a success.

High-pressure steam locomotive - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-pressure_steam_locomotive)

Regards,
Tote

[4bee]

Was that just for Coal or Fuel Oil stoking or a combination of the two?

Trying to keep that pressure with coal would nearly justify a relay of Firemen with shovels going like the clappers. Seems to me on a ship would be acceptable but hard going on a footplate??

[Bigbjorn]

Was that just for Coal or Fuel Oil stoking or a combination of the two?

Trying to keep that pressure with coal would nearly justify a relay of Firemen with shovels going like the clappers. Seems to me on a ship would be acceptable but hard going on a footplate??

The Union Pacific Big Boys were machine stoked as it was physically impossible for a man with a shovel to throw coal to the front of the huge firebox. UP didn't go to oil burners as UP owned vast coalfields and still do.

[Tote]

NSW AD40 Garretts also have mechanical stokers

Regards,
Tote

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Was that just for Coal or Fuel Oil stoking or a combination of the two?

Trying to keep that pressure with coal would nearly justify a relay of Firemen with shovels going like the clappers. Seems to me on a ship would be acceptable but hard going on a footplate??

First major English vessel was The Queen Elizabeth dreadnought built oil fired in 1910,, speed of refueling ( especially at sea! ) was the main reason,,
though the bigger coal fired ships could HAND load around 280Ton per hour :Thump:

as fuels go coal wasnt in use for very long 1870-1914.

[4bee]

First major English vessel was The Queen Elizabeth dreadnought built oil fired in 1910,, speed of refueling ( especially at sea! ) was the main reason,,
though the bigger coal fired ships could HAND load around 280Ton per hour :Thump:

as fuels go coal wasnt in use for very long 1870-1914.

It would have been a bugger for Stokers/Black Gang to toss bags/baskets of coal tween ships even at a wharf.

[ezyrama]

Bummer! Disappointed for you considering you GP's Connections.[bigsad]

Found this on Stalkbook a week or so ago, You have probably seen it, but I reckon it looks fantastic in its new livery

[Pedro_The_Swift]

So,, just how many serious ( boiler out? ) refits has 3801 had?
and,, how many colour schemes?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

It looks bloody nice in black with its whiskers must more prominant... :BigThumb:

[4bee]

It looks bloody nice in black with its whiskers must more prominant.


Black is the new black for locos, rather than getting done up like a Kings Cross Tart on a Saturday night.


Black with red Pin striping on parts & panels is my fav. & is usually more Traditional, but obviously she was commissioned in the Art Nouveau days with the pin striping along her casings & front.

[Tote]

She was painted grey in 2006, which I believe was a replication of a wartime scheme

159796


Back to green in 2007

159797

I'm not sure if the streamlined 38 Class locos were ever painted black or not

Regards,
Tote

[PhilipA]

I just realised my "Maurilyn?' train set when I was a Kid was this engine. This is 60plus years ago.

My mother broke it by walking through the loungeroom with a basket full of loose raffia which fell and entangled in the wheels.

This was after my sister fell off the back of a chair laughing at a joke at the Christmas dinner table , and fell on the carriages.
Regards PhilipA

[4bee]

I just realised my "Maurilyn?' train set when I was a Kid was this engine. This is 60plus years ago.

My mother broke it by walking through the loungeroom with a basket full of loose raffia which fell and entangled in the wheels.

This was after my sister fell off the back of a chair laughing at a joke at the Christmas dinner table , and fell on the carriages.
Regards PhilipA ...... which was before you thought it was scrap & tossed it in the bin not realising she was worth a motza, raffia tangled or not.[bigrolf]

[JDNSW]

I'm pretty certain I remember streamlined 38s painted black, although mostly I remember them Green. I am pretty certain they had changed from the wartime grey to green before I saw any - the only railway I had any experience of during the war was Parramatta-Penrith. (Being taken to visit my grandfather at Mulgoa)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

new today...


https://www.facebook.com/TransportHeritageNSW/videos/2186886941459491

[4bee]

Nicely balanced photo but cannot see a Loco.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

[bighmmm] clicky....[tonguewink]

[JDNSW]

Whereabouts is that?

[Tote]

Whereabouts is that?

Menangle, according to the platform sign

Regards,
Tote

[4bee]

Are you sure we are all looking at the same image, tote?



Not only can I not see a Loco, but I cannot see a Station let alone a sign just a nice distant trackside view.

Clicky does not work for me.

[Tote]

Ahh, It doesnt work for me at work either, did at home last night, was a video with 3801 belting past Menangle platform full tilt. edit Works with Chrome at work.....

Regards,
Tote

[p38arover]

Click to open video. It was Menangle which isn't far from Thirlmere where the rail museum is located although the track from Thirlmere no longer appears to connect to the line to Menangle.

[4bee]

Ron, I did do that but just got a fuzzy half a screen with SFA on it. No messages. Sometimes I get messages to say I can't download things but not this one. Waited & had a cuppa & painted the house, moved 50 tonne of gravel by hand but still never showed up. I did wish to see it as well.

Ah well, such is life.

[p38arover]

I looked with Chrome on a PC.

[drivesafe]

Here is 3801 in 1991 at Woonona.

Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/tim.sanderson.921/videos/2660546307515237/'multi_permalinks=10156751332662271&notif_id=1588499128395735&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Here is 3801 in 1991 at Woonona.

Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/tim.sanderson.921/videos/2660546307515237/'multi_permalinks=10156751332662271&notif_id=1588499128395735&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic)


[bigrolf]

"This content not available right now"

[drivesafe]

Sorry mate, it must only be available to those in that Facebook group.

I stuffed that one up!

[4bee]

One knows when one is not wanted, but that is ok, I can take it on the chin, but which one?

For the record I don't DO Facebook. [bigrolf] No I am not odd, I just don't think it is a good thing is all, & one day it might come back & bite people on the arse.



[4bee departs Computer Room, kicking the cat on the way out while sobbing profusely]:BigCry:[biggrin]

[JDNSW]

I could see it - and I don't do facebook either. But I suspect that one of my grandchildren (who does use it) may have used facebook on my computer and left some sort of spyware there.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Traction Tests Passed!
faceblook clicky


https://www.facebook.com/126857120851391/videos/2856026211117231

[drivesafe]

I saw this earlier today. Great bit of video.

I like the scene near the end, where the passenger is standing on the station and spins round to see what is coming.

I could jus about hear his brain going " what the ..... "

[4bee]

Traction Tests Passed!
faceblook clicky


https://www.facebook.com/126857120851391/videos/2856026211117231

That is a good shot. There is something a bit mournful about a steamer at dusk at an old country Halt. Oi loiks that me.[smilebigeye]


Oddly I can see it ok as a stationary image. Must be the Video side of things. No pun intended. Oh, ok then[bigrolf]

[Tote]

Those couple of clips where she is being worked hard are awesome. For the last few years before the overhaul they were being very gentle with her in comparison.

Regards,
Tote

[JDNSW]

I seem to remember something about the boiler pressure being limited, which would have that effect.

[incisor]

I watched it on YouTube a couple days ago...

They have done a lovely job
Traction Tests Passed!
faceblook clicky


https://www.facebook.com/126857120851391/videos/2856026211117231

[ramblingboy42]

the thing is fairly moving along

[Pedro_The_Swift]

more--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXo-6UvW3qk&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3Nb09L6awGtvO1 lvyHu_7JNpoIqfxTaPlFeKb1flg0Me4lhtmOfJ8WC2Y

[Pedro_The_Swift]

more..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmNdi1lw478

[Pedro_The_Swift]

so, 318 tons.. on a wet track.. uphill..

is there some sort of formula for this?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Earlier stuff,, but it does show a lot of wheelspin,, and some nice vid of a running Black 3801


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5px6Vgm-YCo

[4bee]

so, 318 tons.. on a wet track.. uphill..

is there some sort of formula for this?






From a standing start as well. The girl did well.

[101RRS]

so, 318 tons.. on a wet track.. uphill..



And I assume no sand is used these days to help with grip

Cowan rail accident - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowan_rail_accident)

[4bee]

The force of the crash completely destroyed the last carriage of the steam train, and was enough to break the locomotive coupling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_coupler) and push the engine 12 metres forward.


As I recall the last carriage was a timber built one & why it disintegrated & I understand the use of Wooden coaches was banned, either for Tourist trains or for all NSWR rolling stock. Not sure on that one but I wonder why the Coroner/Wiki missed that important point?

[101RRS]

I understand the use of Wooden coaches was banned, either for Tourist trains or for all NSWR rolling stock. Not sure on that one but I wonder why the Coroner/Wiki missed that important point?

Not sure that is correct - in the video of the recent tests the carriages are timber.

Garry

[4bee]

Maybe they used some obsolete stock for tests just in case the brown stuff hit the whirly thing, but I recall there was a big discussion post accident, & that sure was one of the points well made.
I'll keep looking as I am sure there is something to be found. For some reason I thought it was the NSW Governor that was involved, but it was a while ago.

[4bee]

It wasn't the NSW Governor that I mentioned above but a recently retired University bod or two & the family & child of one of them that died


I don't think I read it about Steel Coaches, but was the spoken word at the time. Maybe Steel coaches were in the pipeline with timber constructed coaches to be given the big heave ho.

Made sense to me when I heard it & was surprised that was still the case in the test runs. Reading that report makes one wonder why there were not many more accidents with the attitudes & incompetence prevailing at that time within NSW Rail & supposedly responsible people not doing their paid jobs.

One incident was NSW Rail Sigs were aware that there was a Suicidal person Trackside with intentions & yet still gave the crew the Green Light to proceed.

Don't ask.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

dropped today,,

https://www.facebook.com/NSWRailMuseum/videos/900426733804744