Anti theft Mod

[HarryO]

Hi All

With the 2 week mark looming for my stolen D4 it looks like it will not be recovered - so will start my “discussions” with the insurance about a replacement next week. I am not going to go into a rant on just how p*ssed off I am.

In the new vihicle I am going to fit a GPS as well as my own disable switch hiden somewhere in the car. In other words even if you have the keys (or used a scanner) you will not be able to start the car (or go very far) unless you press this latching switch.

I need to put the switch in series with a fuse that supplies the ECM, Fuel Pump or something similar.

Other than a few fault signals this should not cause and damage. Anyone have any suggestions on a particular fuse?

[DiscoMick]

Bugger! Sorry to hear that.
Can your insurer recommend some installers? Some insurers give a discount if you do this.

[Tombie]

Wouldn’t bother with that Harry, I had 2 vehicles stolen in short order and just accepted it as nature of our society.

Never added additional protection and no problems since.

Luck of the draw some times.

[Mickyg]

I used a latching circuit with a magnetic reed switch hidden behind the dash in previous cars.

[goingbush]

Good idea, easy enough to do, just go parallel with the inertia switch, on second thoughts that might blow the airbags,
you could go high tech and fit a Biometric fingerprint scanner !

[speleomike]

Hi

How was it stolen? I presume it has to be winched up onto the back of a trailer because there is no way they can start the engine without that key FOB. It's also not possible to simply "listen in on" a transmitting key and decode the next required sequence. (It is on Jeeps!)

Mike

[Graeme]

The keys were stolen.

I'm not keen to prevent my vehicle from being started, preferring that it goes more or less for a km or two so that the thieves don't come back for me. I know that I can easily cause the severe restricted performance condition by interrupting the MAP sensor as the rat did which might cause thieves to abandon the vehicle but I'd like the vehicle to stop completely after a short run. With my throttle closer anti-runaway protection I could easily close the throttle butterfly after 5 minutes with an inconspicuous switch after the initial restricted performance.

[John_D4]

Could you just add a GPS tracker instead?

[Red90]

Could you just add a GPS tracker instead?

Thieves have GPS and cell jammers.

[goingbush]

Put a taser in the seat , any unauthorised start attempts send 30,000v through the bastards testicles.

you can buy Stun Gun modules on eBay for about $5.00, they are quite effective , 9volts in , 30,000 out , look on youtube.

[DiscoJeffster]

Thieves have GPS and cell jammers.

Most are not stolen to order and thus the iced up thieves are not coming with jammers. In most cases you could successfully track it, but do you want to? Do you really want it back?

[DiscoJeffster]

Hi

How was it stolen? I presume it has to be winched up onto the back of a trailer because there is no way they can start the engine without that key FOB. It's also not possible to simply "listen in on" a transmitting key and decode the next required sequence. (It is on Jeeps!)

Mike

If you have keyless entry then the amplification and reflection approach is proven successful on the Discovery. You simply put a receiver and transmitter within range and capture the key signal and reflect it to the car. Used heaps in the uk.

[Red90]

Most are not stolen to order and thus the iced up thieves are not coming with jammers. In most cases you could successfully track it, but do you want to? Do you really want it back?

An amateur is not stealing a Disco 2. You need special knowledge to get past the immobilizer.

Jammers are cheap and easy to buy.

[DiscoJeffster]

An amateur is not stealing a Disco 2. You need special knowledge to get past the immobilizer.

WTF? 99% of vehicle thefts today are as a result of a B&E and they simply take the keys and use the car for the next 48 hours as the next ride until the next B&E where they take the next vehicle. Very few are part of “complex parts network racket” where they’ll “jam gps” - that are stealing to order. Yes that happens, but those are the minority. Most are kids fuelling their habits and needing a clean ride until the next event.

Edit: and most end up burnt which proves they didn’t want the parts.

[John_D4]

Thieves have GPS and cell jammers.

In that case I think that the best defence is to ensure that your properly insured. A professional will steal it regardless of how good your security is. If you have a cut or switch they will just turn up with a tow truck

[Tombie]

In that case I think that the best defence is to ensure that your properly insured. A professional will steal it regardless of how good your security is. If you have a cut or switch they will just turn up with a tow truck

They will also walk back into your house and beat the snot out of you...

This is how the Home invasion car thefts work. Break in grab valuables find keys (or threaten for keys) and leave via vehicle.

You do not want them coming back ****ed off....

And as someone who years ago had 2 vehicles stolen. You don’t want them back!

[Tombie]

If you have keyless entry then the amplification and reflection approach is proven successful on the Discovery. You simply put a receiver and transmitter within range and capture the key signal and reflect it to the car. Used heaps in the uk.

Only on the keyless entry ones.. I believe LR released / or were working on an update to counter it.

[DiscoJeffster]

Only on the keyless entry ones.. I believe LR released / or were working on an update to counter it.

Absolutely only on keyless, and it’s common across heaps of models.

Also agree. Keys are kept obvious. If they break in, take it. I’m insured. I’m not having my head caved in for a Disco.

[HarryO]

Yes to was a Break & Enter and they stole my key and cash in my wallet only (left all the C cards). I live well of the main roads in a very quiet part of the suburb - so cops think it was targeted. Personally I think it was local kids as the neighbors have also been broken into.

I understand that if they want it they will get it and I don’t have the answers but doing nothing and just accepting it may happen again is not in my nature.

At least this way it stops the dumb / armature criminals - perhaps not the pro / determined ones.
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[DiscoJeffster]

I hope they burn mine if they take it. I’ve seen the aftermath of animals that steal vehicles and I never want it back. Not only because of the hidden mechanical damage, but the filth you can never erase. I will do nothing to help get mine back.

[HarryO]

Put a taser in the seat , any unauthorised start attempts send 30,000v through the bastards testicles.

you can buy Stun Gun modules on eBay for about $5.00, they are quite effective , 9volts in , 30,000 out , look on youtube.

Love it 😊

Even better after 2km lock all the doors and set of a teargas canister in it - even better do both 😳

Little Bastards..

[DiscoJeffster]

Modify slightly.


YouTube (https://youtu.be/aLhWzMOccTg)

[INter674]

Not sure about the diesels but cutting the fuel pump curcuit stops the engine quick quickly. We've fitted hidden switches to fuel pumps on Commodores b 4. Don't stop them winching onto trailers tho...

Of course they usually reach for the matches once they realise you've disabled the car😐

[scarry]

A good dog often sorts them out while the vehicle is parked at home.

Many LC200’s have recently been stolen without having the key fob.

A manual is also a good option as young teens have no idea how to drive them,but no help with a D4.

I would have a hidden switch that turns off whatever,there are numerous electrical circuits that will stop the vehicle going anywhere.Thieves don’t have time,so they won’t wait around,once it doesn’t start.

Or even a relay that needs a hidden button pushed every time you start the vehicle,then latches in.

[Tombie]

All missing the point - they didn’t steal the car - they stole the keys and then ‘took’ the car.

That’s not doing nothing, if anything, improve the home security.

Continually switching circuits in the D4 may lead to other problems or could cause issues if you forget and need to take off in an emergency.

Before we moved regional we had 2 vehicles stolen, one by break in (written off within 30 minutes) and the other was keys stolen and vehicle taken - it was stripped and dumped.

You don’t want them back, believe me! The stripped one was 6 months old and rebuilt under insurance; it was a problem child from then on and I had to fully rebuild it again.

Often, if they get them and then it stops they’ll just burn it to hide evidence where it stands - this will be wherever it stands.

The other events we had were a home invasion whilst I was away at work - wife was asleep on the lounge and they came in. Took her handbag, all her keys, jewellery etc and left.

We had to rekey the entire house, 3 vehicles etc. she was on edge and came up here where I was working. Whilst away they came back, broke into the garage and cleaned it out.

A quick insurance claim had everything replaced, keys paid for and shortly after we permanently relocated to Whyalla.
No problems up here at all..

[Tombie]

A good dog often sorts them out while the vehicle is parked at home.

Many LC200’s have recently been stolen without having the key fob.

A manual is also a good option as young teens have no idea how to drive them,but no help with a D4.

I would have a hidden switch that turns off whatever,there are numerous electrical circuits that will stop the vehicle going anywhere.Thieves don’t have time,so they won’t wait around,once it doesn’t start.

Or even a relay that needs a hidden button pushed every time you start the vehicle,then latches in.

Dogs do great jobs!

Push button starts are often easy to steal in carports and garages as the fob is often sat on the bench inside, close enough to enable the vehicle to be unlocked and started [emoji41]

[goingbush]

For home Invasion type thefts I guess the first thing you need to install is a decent Security camera system.

[DiscoMick]

Our D1 was broken into by smashing a window when it was parked on the Gold Coast a while back. They couldn't or didn't try to start the car. Instead they bent the luggage barrier back and stole some stuff from in the back.
I've been thinking the best deterrent for our Defender might simply be something really obvious like a chain around the steering wheel and down around the pedals, with a padlock. A bike chain the right length with a protective sheathing would not scratch the steering wheel. I use one to secure a solar panel from theft while camping.
I'd want it seen before they even tried to get in the vehicle. That might deter some amateurs who would not normally carry cutting equipment or tools to undo the steering wheel. You'll never stop the pros.
This method is cheap, simple and doesn't require any fiddling with the electronics, which is good.
The disadvantage is it would be annoying to have to fit the chain each time, but I could live with that.

[Bigbjorn]

For home Invasion type thefts I guess the first thing you need to install is a decent Security camera system.

Two melon head bull terriers deter most thieves.

[trout1105]

Put a taser in the seat , any unauthorised start attempts send 30,000v through the bastards testicles.

you can buy Stun Gun modules on eBay for about $5.00, they are quite effective , 9volts in , 30,000 out , look on youtube.

I Love the way you are thinking [bigrolf]
I was thinking a "Claymore" under the seat myself [bigwhistle]

[scarry]

Push button starts are often easy to steal in carports and garages as the fob is often sat on the bench inside, close enough to enable the vehicle to be unlocked and started [emoji41]

And easy for a thief to pick up and use.

That’s the issue,to many are complacent with their vehicle keys.
They need to be treated like cash,hidden out of sight at all times.
Same with the spares,and if they have batteries fitted,remove them and hide them somewhere else.

It isn’t rocket science.

[HarryO]

And easy for a thief to pick up and use.

That’s the issue,to many are complacent with their vehicle keys.
They need to be treated like cash,hidden out of sight at all times.
Same with the spares,and if they have batteries fitted,remove them and hide them somewhere else.

It isn’t rocket science.


In hindsight agree about the keys - but the hidden switch I proposed is permanently wired and mounted inside the vehicle in a hidden spot that the thief would not know about.

I like the idea of using the fuel pump circuit - that way even with the keys the little ****s will only get a couple of hundred meters and then the vehicle would run out of fuel.

If they then touch it - well **** happens - at least I will know where it is and the insurance company can come look at what’s left of the accessories. Saves looking for old receipts to prove you had it.

Also like the various ideas of nuking the little Bastards.

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[DiscoJeffster]

And easy for a thief to pick up and use.

That’s the issue,to many are complacent with their vehicle keys.
They need to be treated like cash,hidden out of sight at all times.
Same with the spares,and if they have batteries fitted,remove them and hide them somewhere else.

It isn’t rocket science.

Unless you don’t wish to be bashed on the head for your keys. While mine aren’t in plain sight, I don’t hide them. If they want my car, take it. It’s not worth a thump to the head or my family if they want the car.

[Bigbjorn]

Whilst not about stealing cars there was an incident of burglary or 'home invasion" that got a bit of local media coverage at the time a few years ago in Bulimba. A guy came home from work to find his front door open and inside were two dusky youths, 18 & 19, piling up household goods onto a blanket in the lounge room. He challenged them and one youth threatened him with a knife. Bad decision. The guy was a ship's painter & docker formerly a standover man for the union in Melbourne. Two rather battered youths were dragged down the stairs and thrown onto the footpath. A neighbour called the police on hearing the fracas. The P&D was going to follow the union code of "No police, we catch and kill our own". One had broken bones, lacerations, ruptured testicles, and the other had similar plus needed a bit of his skull taken out to relieve brain swelling from being banged about the head. The dusky persons legal service solicitor was carrying on about excessive force, assault with a deadly weapon (a Gladstone bag), grievous bodily harm etc. Local Senior Sergeant told me that all participants were "well known to police, your Honour" The P&D union solicitor put in his little bit saying that if his client was to be charged he would proffer charges of break & enter, assault with a deadly weapon, and a few more. He also intimated that there were quite a few union members in gaol who could handle the matter according to their code.

Not as rough as a Friday night drink at the union hall.

[trout1105]

And easy for a thief to pick up and use.

That’s the issue,to many are complacent with their vehicle keys.
They need to be treated like cash,hidden out of sight at all times.
Same with the spares,and if they have batteries fitted,remove them and hide them somewhere else.

It isn’t rocket science.

I have left the keys in my vehicles for decades, it saves me hunting for them and in any emergency they can be moved with ease.
But Hay I don't I don't live in the ****holes that many do in the cities and big towns where scumbags abound, I live away from all that crap.
It ain't rocket science

[DiscoJeffster]

I have left the keys in my vehicles for decades, it saves me hunting for them and in any emergency they can be moved with ease.
But Hay I don't I don't live in the ****holes that many do in the cities and big towns where scumbags abound, I live away from all that crap.
It ain't rocket science

The issue there is that if insurance is something you need, presumably they won’t pay as you have paid due care and attention to avoiding theft. Still, you’re unlikely to have such an incident so moot point I guess

[DiscoMick]

It amazes me to see parents letting their kids play with their remotes. Don't they realise how much they cost to replace?
Mine are only either in my pocket or next to my bed when I sleep.

[scarry]

I have left the keys in my vehicles for decades, it saves me hunting for them and in any emergency they can be moved with ease.
But Hay I don't I don't live in the ****holes that many do in the cities and big towns where scumbags abound, I live away from all that crap.
It ain't rocket science

Years ago,I am talking early late 70’s, 80’s,we used to leave the keys in the cars,and the old Holdens didn’t need a key to start them once the ignition lock was a bit worn.

A couple of times someone emptied one of the fuel tanks,but never took the cars.

But those days are long gone,no matter where ever you live today.

[scarry]

It amazes me to see parents letting their kids play with their remotes. Don't they realise how much they cost to replace?
Mine are only either in my pocket or next to my bed when I sleep.

We have had a couple chewed up by dogs.

Staff with our company vehicles keys.:bat:

[DiscoMick]

We have had a couple chewed up by dogs.

Staff with our company vehicles keys.:bat:I saw a little boy drop his mother's keys down a toilet once. Mother seemed shocked her little darling would do that.

[DiscoJeffster]

I saw a little boy drop his mother's keys down a toilet once. Mother seemed shocked her little darling would do that.

Hanging out in the ladies toilets again I see Mick [emoji6][emoji23]

[DiscoMick]

Hanging out in the ladies toilets again I see Mick [emoji6][emoji23]Ha, no it was in a house.

[kenl]

I have no idea if they are any good, but these GPS relays could kill two birds with one stone, if that's what you are after.
gps relay | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=gps+relay&_sacat=0)

[Grappler]

The GPS tracker / cutout seems like a good thing. I see you need to insert a SIM card for it to work
Is anyone using a GPS tracker and what level of service (cost) do you need for the SIM for the GPS to work effectively?

[kenl]

From what I have read on the boating forums the ALDI sim is the cheapest at something like $100 a year.

With Telstra I can get an additional Sim on my phone plan, that data shares, for $5 month.

[cjc_td5]

From what I have read on the boating forums the ALDI sim is the cheapest at something like $100 a year.

With Telstra I can get an additional Sim on my phone plan, that data shares, for $5 month.The aldi sims are $15/year with enough data for monitoring etc.

[Grappler]

The aldi sims are $15/year with enough data for monitoring etc.

Can you send a link for the $15/year Aldi SIM card. I cant find any cheaper than $95 pa

[kelvo]

Can you send a link for the $15/year Aldi SIM card. I cant find any cheaper than $95 pa
It’s a PAYG plan, with 365 day expiry. Obviously if you use up your $15 credit before the 365 expiry you need to ‘top up’.

ALDImobile - Pay As You Go $15 credit (https://www.aldimobile.com.au/plans/15payg/)

[Ferret]

From what I have read on the boating forums the ALDI sim is the cheapest at something like $100 a year.

With Telstra I can get an additional Sim on my phone plan, that data shares, for $5 month.

Problem with Aldi is it uses Telstra's wholesale network which means out side of major population centres you don't get as good a reception / service as genuine Telstra customers and sometimes no service at all even though genuine Telstra is available. For instance, I cross the Nullarbor occasionally, no service at all on Aldi even though Telstra provides coverage all the way across it.

When the current Aldi super pack ($100/year) expires I'll be looking at Boost. Instead of using Telstra's wholesale network Boost uses Telstra's retail network - same reception / service as genuine Telstra customers for ~ $35 - $50 / year more than Aldi charges.

Check the difference in coverage between Telstra's wholesale and retail coverage on the map here. (https://www.whistleout.com.au/MobilePhones/Guides/Telstra-network-coverage-vs-ALDI-Woolworths-Belong-Boost)Big differences, particularly in remote locations.

[DiscoMick]

That's also true of Woolworths Telstra - it doesn't work in some places that Telstra does - which is why we ditched it in Winton and bought Telstra pre-paids.

[rick130]

I have left the keys in my vehicles for decades, it saves me hunting for them and in any emergency they can be moved with ease.
But Hay I don't I don't live in the ****holes that many do in the cities and big towns where scumbags abound, I live away from all that crap.
It ain't rocket scienceIn NSW these days you'll be booked if you leave keys in the ignition, car unlocked or even the window down more than about one inch if you are more than 3m or so away from the car!!
Even at a petrol station....[emoji849]

I can only think it was pushed by the insurance industry, or some over zealous numpty with authoritarian tendencies

In the little country town I left five years ago we'd all leave our cars unlocked going shopping, buying a paper, etc. and hardly anyone locked a house.

[trout1105]

In the little country town I left five years ago we'd all leave our cars unlocked going shopping, buying a paper, etc. and hardly anyone locked a house.

I am retired now But I moved here more than 10 years ago for precisely that sort of lifestyle.[thumbsupbig]
No random Violence, No drug dealers/users within "Cooee" No break-ins/thefts/vandalism or any other major dramas here, It beggars belief when retirees or those at the ending stages of their working lives still insist on having their "Heard Mentality" and continue on living in the major population areas Where all this sort of anti social behaviour is "Rampant".
Go Bush you old farts and relax because you have most certainly earned it [thumbsupbig]

[Tombie]

I am retired now But I moved here more than 10 years ago for precisely that sort of lifestyle.[thumbsupbig]
No random Violence, No drug dealers/users within "Cooee" No break-ins/thefts/vandalism or any other major dramas here, It beggars belief when retirees or those at the ending stages of their working lives still insist on having their "Heard Mentality" and continue on living in the major population areas Where all this sort of anti social behaviour is "Rampant".
Go Bush you old farts and relax because you have most certainly earned it [thumbsupbig]

Phew!!! No problems down Geraldton way [emoji48][emoji48][emoji48]

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[Tombie]

In NSW these days you'll be booked if you leave keys in the ignition, car unlocked or even the window down more than about one inch if you are more than 3m or so away from the car!!
Even at a petrol station....[emoji849]

I can only think it was pushed by the insurance industry, or some over zealous numpty with authoritarian tendencies

In the little country town I left five years ago we'd all leave our cars unlocked going shopping, buying a paper, etc. and hardly anyone locked a house.

I always lock my vehicle if on my own, always have. Seen doors opened and stuff gone several time’s in servos and car parks.

It’s our Tax dollars that pay for police. If somebody creates work by making it easy for an opportunist thief then they increase workload and cost to us...

I doubt insurance companies came up with it - if you fail to secure your vehicle your insurance is void.

[4bee]

Put a taser in the seat , any unauthorised start attempts send 30,000v through the bastards testicles.


Would that not damage the Head lining as his/her head went through the roof?[biggrin]


Fit an RAA Steering wheel lock, something highly visible. No kid. You don't want to upset the barstewards too much or they might torch it down the street.:bat:

Have just taken out a Do Do Sim for $5 p/m. OZ wide unlimited calls using the OPTUS network. For just a phone it is ideal & we have given it a bit of a bloody hiding of late.

[trout1105]

Phew!!! No problems down Geraldton way [emoji48][emoji48][emoji48]

Australia's record meth bust: Why do drug smugglers target Geraldton? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9283114)

WA Police Commissioner says record Geraldton meth haul highlights shortage of border patrols - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/11004532)

Meth use remains a serious problem in WA’s Mid West | Midwest Times (https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/thewest.com.au/news/midwest-times/meth-use-remains-a-serious-problem-in-was-mid-west-ng-b881242932z.amp)

Alleged drug gang thwarted by giant seal in $1bn Australian drug bust | Australia news | The Guardian (https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/12/alleged-drug-gang-thwarted-by-giant-seal-in-1bn-australian-drug-bust)

I don't live in Geraldton Mate, I live 40k's out of town away from that crap [thumbsupbig]

[gruntfuttock]

I saw somewhere in Italy, they had a device, (one way electric valve I think) that fitted in the clutch or brake line, you could use the brakes or clutch, but it wouldn’t release. Electronically activated, the article I saw said the person in question had a switch that was operated via a magnet, you started the car, put the magnet near where the switch was and it would be all systems go, (no need to hold it there) once the power was cut, engine stopped by key then it would drop back into the one way position.
I thought that was a real great idea. No visible switch either. Anyone heard of this? Or was it made custom by the owner?

[Tombie]

Great idea until something goes wrong in day to day use and it locks on at speed etc.

[W&KO]

I doubt insurance companies came up with it - if you fail to secure your vehicle your insurance is void.

All depends on the insurer, RACQ looked after me when I left the car unlocked in the driveway.

What was strange was the opportunist wasn’t interesting in the ~20$ in loose change.

Police also said that people walk the street testing every door of cars on the street and in driveways.

[HarryO]

In two minds about installing both the magnetic switch and GPS..

The “Jack Reacher” in me wants to catch the buggers but the “Christian” in me just wants to stop them stealing it...

Decided to install both and pray for them while beating the crap out of them 😁😁

[Tombie]

Keep switching the systems in a D3/4/RRS and one day it’s going to error on you!

You’re more likely to end up stuck yourself.

Just go with GPS, it’s highly unlikely you’ll lose another vehicle anyway (assuming you’ve since improved your home security)

[Bigbjorn]

Long time ago when I used to buy a few vehicles at auction for resale I acquired a Valiant VC slant 6 auto. Nice tidy car and I drove it for a while before selling it. It had, I found, a key operated fuel valve in the tank to pump line with the key socket just in front of the driver's seat and easy to reach once seated. Never seen another one but I did think it was a great idea. You could start up and drive a few hundred yards before the Val snuffed.

[DieselLSE]

Like Bigbjorn, I had a three way fuel delivery switch in my Series III LWB 2.25L. It wasn't designed as a theft preventer (seriously, how could you theft proof a SIII when you could easily start it without a key?). The switch was just under the drivers seat squab, visible but not really noticeable. When pointed to the driver's seat it opened the drivers fuel tank and when pointed to the passenger seat it opened that tank. If you pointed it down it closed off both tanks.
So I simply pointed it down whenever I left the car, figuring that when the car spluttered to a stop once the Zenith carburettor had emptied, the thief would give up and **** off. Added to that, I also left the transfer case in neutral, so he'd have to sort that out before moving.
Caught myself out a few times, but, when the motor started to splutter, simply turning the fuel cock to a live tank gave the mechanical fuel pump enough fuel to replenish the carburettor so quickly that anyone following would have probably not even noticed that I had slowed down a bit for a few seconds.
Can't do that with a D4!

[INter674]

Like Bigbjorn, I had a three way fuel delivery switch in my Series III LWB 2.25L. It wasn't designed as a theft preventer (seriously, how could you theft proof a SIII when you could easily start it without a key?). The switch was just under the drivers seat squab, visible but not really noticeable. When pointed to the driver's seat it opened the drivers fuel tank and when pointed to the passenger seat it opened that tank. If you pointed it down it closed off both tanks.
So I simply pointed it down whenever I left the car, figuring that when the car spluttered to a stop once the Zenith carburettor had emptied, the thief would give up and **** off. Added to that, I also left the transfer case in neutral, so he'd have to sort that out before moving.
Caught myself out a few times, but, when the motor started to splutter, simply turning the fuel cock to a live tank gave the mechanical fuel pump enough fuel to replenish the carburettor so quickly that anyone following would have probably not even noticed that I had slowed down a bit for a few seconds.
Can't do that with a D4!

Wonder if this hidden 3 way valve system was a common or Qld thing as we had an open top 40 Series LC from Qld with exactly that system! We took it out hoping someone would steal the POS☺

This thread also reminds me of a colleague who had a troublesome V8 RR and who left it with keys in doors open on the Bass Hwy hoping it would be stolen. It never was😎

[Graeme]

My '84 RRC still has a key-operated fuel switch in the floor under the passenger side mat, fitted prior to my ownership. I used it the few times that I night-parked in Sydney many years ago. It was a better option than removing the rotor button of previous vehicles.

[scarry]

Solenoid in the fuel line were common in the 80’s.

Many had a touch pad that needed a code before the solenoid would energise.

We had them in all our work vans back in the day,when car theft was on the rise and Fords were very easy to steal.

Often the thieves would wander around with a bunch of Ford keys and find one would work.

Once the vehicle locks had a bit of wear,many different keys would work the same lock.

[AndyG]

Our D1 was broken into by smashing a window when it was parked on the Gold Coast a while back. They couldn't or didn't try to start the car. Instead they bent the luggage barrier back and stole some stuff from in the back.
I've been thinking the best deterrent for our Defender might simply be something really obvious like a chain around the steering wheel and down around the pedals, with a padlock. A bike chain the right length with a protective sheathing would not scratch the steering wheel. I use one to secure a solar panel from theft while camping.
I'd want it seen before they even tried to get in the vehicle. That might deter some amateurs who would not normally carry cutting equipment or tools to undo the steering wheel. You'll never stop the pros.
This method is cheap, simple and doesn't require any fiddling with the electronics, which is good.
The disadvantage is it would be annoying to have to fit the chain each time, but I could live with that.

For Defenders you can buy a plate that fits over the pedals

[AndyG]

I was going to say transfer case in neutral , but beaten to that,
or B.
Let rottweiler sleep in car at night.

[Grahame Roberts]

Watch this if interested in GPS tracker
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Xmmo67M2g)

[modman]

GPS blockers are <$10 on eBay
Yes they are illegal in Australia to possess but no one is stopping anybody buying them, and in bulk....
Last year police were called to a suspicious commodore in a lane in Preston
Vic pol were onsite within minutes.
Found car abandoned with gps blockers, rf scanners and Vic pol radio scanner.
They walked straight away.
Isolated case but not the first apparently....
Self monitored gps trackers are easily fooled unless you have a fully monitored program.
This is very expensive for self use.
You have to make sure the monitoring company is constantly pinging your tracker so it’s actioned WHEN the signal is lost👍
I used to work alongside the police, now I work in the insurance game.
Do I throw our car keys on the bench when I get home.... YES
Do I have any secondary vehicle security.....NO
Would I physically challenge someone braking into my house or car.....YES
Would I give the keys to someone actually threatening my wife or daughters....Absolutely

On a side note, I used to live in St Kilda in the corner of Greeves and Vale.(hookerville)
In those days my daily was a s111ffr with an fairey OD
Still had a knob to start, but when you left 3 gearsticks in neutral most idiots are defeated...

[DeeJay]

I had an Aldi $15 card fitted to a $125.00 tracker on my off road camper. Costs 12 cents per "ping" . It worked in all major towns in SA, WA & NT,except the Pilbara which is all Optus. The tracker could be geofenced etc & had numerous remote functions, one which I reverse hooked up to the electric brakes & camper battery. So I could slam on the brakes remotely. It tracked thru all S.A. from Ayers Rock to Coober Pedy then Adelaide to Melb. ( I was spying on my daughter who brought the Defender home from Darwin with some pals).
Attached screenshot of where they shredded a tyre near Woomera( they had no idea where they were exactly)
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This is it.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4G-LTE-Cat-M1-GPS-Tracker-Car-Vehicle-Anti-Theft-Real-time-Live-Tracking-Device/312561083211?hash=item48c617a34b:g:65EAAOSwUElc1iz 5

David

[Tombie]

Those with all the gear to defeat systems will undoubtedly be fully equipped to take anything and everything they set their heart on.

These are not the people you will stop. You will only ever stop an “honest” thief, those taking opportunity.

The way I learned to look at it (after the 2 vehicles) is “that’s what insurance is for” and leave it at that.

Come onto my premises and a number of cameras will record you, I will be immediately notified on my phone, video and audio I streamed to me and the cloud.

Same for the vehicle, it’s recording on cameras and streaming to the cloud all the time.

Other than that - they can go at it. They better just hope I don’t catch them in the act!

[Bigbjorn]

Those with all the gear to defeat systems will undoubtedly be fully equipped to take anything and everything they set their heart on.

These are not the people you will stop. You will only ever stop an “honest” thief, those taking opportunity.

The way I learned to look at it (after the 2 vehicles) is “that’s what insurance is for” and leave it at that.

Come onto my premises and a number of cameras will record you, I will be immediately notified on my phone, video and audio I streamed to me and the cloud.

Same for the vehicle, it’s recording on cameras and streaming to the cloud all the time.

Other than that - they can go at it. They better just hope I don’t catch them in the act!

The best car theft story I have heard was told me by a customer who is a commissioned officer of Qld. police. They were alerted by a hospital that a man was brought there by ambulance having suffered a severe beating. He claimed he fell off the mezzanine floor at his panel shop whilst pulling out parts and fell on a concrete floor. His injuries were consistent with a severe and prolonged assault not a fall. Patient did not want to talk to police and stuck to his story. He was "well known to police, Your Worship" as the operator of a chop shop. It came to light that a senior officer of a "motor cycle club" had a valuable late 60's Shelby Mustang. Someone lifted the 'stang from a shed on an acreage property in Brisbane's south on a tilt tray. Bad move. Car had a remote control GPS tracker installed and the owner and several colleagues turned up at the location armed for D Day. Chop shop owner was informed just whose car it was and that he had not shown respect. He was then taught some respect. Patient did not want to make a complaint. He will probably only walk with sticks ever again. Motor Cycle Clubbies likewise do not talk to police. Nothing happened, no action needed.

Bit like the old Ship's Painters and Dockers Union. They catch and kill their own.

[Litlbee]

A few years ago I read an article about security with vehicles with key fobs. Basically it said that if you put your key fob in a faraday box, which is just a steel box, the fob and the vehicle cannot communicate with each other. Most thieves are opportunistic. If they can't find the keys most will move on to the next target. Professional thieves will sometimes use a modified acoustic amplifier that boosts the signal between the vehicle and the fob. They are then able to start the car and drive but cannot stop the car as they cannot then restart it.
It might be time for us to invest in a small safe to try to deter the thieves.

[scarry]

A few years ago I read an article about security with vehicles with key fobs. Basically it said that if you put your key fob in a faraday box, which is just a steel box, the fob and the vehicle cannot communicate with each other. Most thieves are opportunistic. If they can't find the keys most will move on to the next target. Professional thieves will sometimes use a modified acoustic amplifier that boosts the signal between the vehicle and the fob. They are then able to start the car and drive but cannot stop the car as they cannot then restart it.
It might be time for us to invest in a small safe to try to deter the thieves.

There are metal pouches for this on fleabay.
They will be another item to clutter up SWMBOs handbag[bighmmm]

On another note,i was reading that push button start vehicles have been started by small children,as they watch what adults do,that is if the fob is in range.
As a comparison its much more difficult for a small child to use an ignition key.

Ah,technology......[bighmmm]

[Tombie]

In a D4 the fob needs to be close by to enable unlocking (or use rf gear - not acoustic).

To start the vehicle the fob (or related signal generator) needs to be inside the vehicle or the vehicle won’t start.

[4bee]

A few years ago I read an article about security with vehicles with key fobs. Basically it said that if you put your key fob in a faraday box, which is just a steel box, the fob and the vehicle cannot communicate with each other. Most thieves are opportunistic. If they can't find the keys most will move on to the next target. Professional thieves will sometimes use a modified acoustic amplifier that boosts the signal between the vehicle and the fob. They are then able to start the car and drive but cannot stop the car as they cannot then restart it.
It might be time for us to invest in a small safe to try to deter the thieves.

A mesh door grid from an olde Micro Oven could possibly be made into a Faraday Cage. after all, that is it's function in the oven. Should be easy enough to cut bend & shape one with ordinary tools. Mesh/grid seems to be the essential factor.



Just sayin'.[smilebigeye]

[BradC]

A mesh door grid from an olde Micro Oven could possibly be made into a Faraday Cage. after all, that is it's function in the oven. Should be easy enough to cut bend & shape one with ordinary tools. Mesh/grid seems to be the essential factor.

Why all the effort? Just chuck your keys in the microwave.

[4bee]

Why all the effort? Just chuck your keys in the microwave.

Why not? Just don't turn it on or you'll fritz the gubbins.[biggrin] I suspect it was to be portable, dunno.[bigsad]

[Tombie]

Why all the effort? Just chuck your keys in the microwave.

Knowing my luck they would break in and steal my bloody microwave!

[Phil B]

I had a mate back in South Africa in the days when we all carried hand guns.
He caught a thief red handed breaking into his car with a very large screw driver.
When confronted the thief attempted to attack my mate with the screw driver but ended up with a 44 magnum hole in his forehead.
My mate ended up with a suspended sentence for excessive force.
The thief wasn't that lucky.

[cjc_td5]

Push button start requires your foot on the brake pedal as well. This is the kiddy lockout. If they can work out the pedal-button connection, they will work out how to use a key....
There are metal pouches for this on fleabay.
They will be another item to clutter up SWMBOs handbag[bighmmm]

On another note,i was reading that push button start vehicles have been started by small children,as they watch what adults do,that is if the fob is in range.
As a comparison its much more difficult for a small child to use an ignition key.

Ah,technology......[bighmmm]

[HarryO]

Watch this if interested in GPS tracker
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Xmmo67M2g)


Thanks - interesting video. Surprised how the ****s stripped the inside of the car trying to find the GPS. Looks like they could not find it so dumped the car.

Funny how we’re all talking about our “secret” switches and “secret” GPS’s on a public internet forum 😁.

[RANDLOVER]

I had a mate back in South Africa in the days when we all carried hand guns.
He caught a thief red handed breaking into his car with a very large screw driver.
When confronted the thief attempted to attack my mate with the screw driver but ended up with a 44 magnum hole in his forehead.
My mate ended up with a suspended sentence for excessive force.
The thief wasn't that lucky.

Similar story, a guy we worked with shot a couple of B&E artists and ended up being recruited by an international "Security" company to guard the oil fields in Angola, obviously because they thought he had the "right stuff" for that sort of job.

I had a hidden switch in the centre console of a car that I would tap with the side of my foot when cranking, otherwise it wouldn't start. I also had a VN Commodore one of the top 3 most stolen cars, with a "Croc-Lock" bonnet lock and immobiliser that I converted to auto-arming, had 3 attempted thefts over the years despite warning stickers, but they did a bit of damage each time, broken window and broken ignition switch, one lot even bent the steering column while breaking the steering lock!

[DiscoMick]

Push button start requires your foot on the brake pedal as well. This is the kiddy lockout. If they can work out the pedal-button connection, they will work out how to use a key....Our Mazda requires the fob to be inside the vehicle and a foot on the brake to start.

A long time ago I remember reading about an American motorcycle kit which electrified the bike, so anyone who touched it got severely shocked, I mean burns and fall on the ground convulsing. I think it's illegal.

[josh.huber]

Just pay your insurance, the resale value is **** so you'll be able to just buy another one. I lock my car inside my locked shed. I'd rather them steal a car in the shed then come in the house looking for more value. We don't have anything else of value. Wife isn't into jewellery which means they will just keep looking or asking until they find.. Well ... Nothing.. which means they will stay a long time.. In which case I'd give them the car the leave

[kenl]

Why all the effort? Just chuck your keys in the microwave.

I knew a bloke who hid his mobile phone in the microwave but didn't close the door, his mum was visiting and closed the door. The microwave started a unfinished job and cooked the phone good and proper.

[Tombie]

I knew a bloke who hid his mobile phone in the microwave but didn't close the door, his mum was visiting and closed the door. The microwave started a unfinished job and cooked the phone good and proper.

I think he’s told you a cover up story.

Every microwave requires the start button to be pushed to recommence the program.

[kenl]

Back in the old days microwaves had a time dial and often also a power dial, NO BUTTONS. If you opened the door before the time had elapsed, the microwave would stop, if you closed the door it would start again.

True story.

[HarryO]

Not looking to resurrect an old thread BUT these little ****s are still driving my car over a month later - 5 infringement notices and counting - some with fairly clear photo’s of the guy and his female passenger.

All happened in the same general area (Kedron, Wooloowin, Windsor) and the cops still can’t catch him - WTF 😡😡😡

These ****ers are laughing at the cops / system.

Even though I am loosing about $15k in the insurance “settlement” I don’t want the car back but I want them caught.

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[DazzaTD5]

Funny how we’re all talking about our “secret” switches and “secret” GPS’s on a public internet forum 😁.

No no you are wrong! AULRO is a secret society of extraordinary men/women [tonguewink]

[HarryO]

Allianz Insurance confirmed their settlement proposal today that I will fight.


Under their logic all the accessories that I added on (paid for out of my pocket) become part of the PAV (Pre Accident Value) and because the finance company settlement $ is greater than the PAV - The full payout $$ goes go to the finance company. So i have no vehicle, $ 0.00 payout and end up about $15k out of pocket.


I have no choice but to hope the police recover the vehicle in a repairable condition.


Over the last month the bastards have run up 6 fines all on Gympie Rd between Norman Rd, Lutchwe and Beams Rd, Carseldine - a 10km stretch of road.


What kills me is that the cops can photograph him 6 times to raise revenue but not once to catch him😡. Silly me thought they would look for the vehicle!

They will only respond if the idiot drives near one of their cars with number plate recognition..


Can I PLEASE ask members that use Gympie Rd to keep an eye out for this vehicle (Rego 659VNW)- easy way to remember it is White D4 with Rego ending in VNW (Very Nice Wagon) - if you see it call 000.

[BradC]

6 times in a month? For 15 grand I'll sit on the side of the road for a week.

[HarryO]

6 times in a month? For 15 grand I'll sit on the side of the road for a week.

I am planning to be up & down that road the whole weekend and every day thereafter until I find him - if the cops can’t do it then I will!

[INter674]

That's awful but not unexpected.. cops here openly don't pursue stolen cars esp ones that are insured.

Hundreds of Patrols have been stolen in Tas and only after public/media embarrassment and vigilante action did they form a task force to catch them.. which they did.. then disbanded the force and stealing has resumed...

I hope you can get them.

[shanegtr]

Allianz Insurance confirmed their settlement proposal today that I will fight.


Under their logic all the accessories that I added on (paid for out of my pocket) become part of the PAV (Pre Accident Value) and because the finance company settlement $ is greater than the PAV - The full payout $$ goes go to the finance company. So i have no vehicle, $ 0.00 payout and end up about $15k out of pocket.


I have no choice but to hope the police recover the vehicle in a repairable condition.



If you've been paid out by insurance, then the vehicle is recovered after the payout then chances are you wont see the car again. Fairly sure you wouldn't get the car back after its been paid out.

[4bee]

Who claimed Ned Kelly was dead? That is a really **** result Harry & I hope you & a Pick Handle get to them before the cops do.[bigsad]

[HarryO]

If you've been paid out by insurance, then the vehicle is recovered after the payout then chances are you wont see the car again. Fairly sure you wouldn't get the car back after its been paid out.

I would rather withdraw my insurance claim (for the moment) and see what the cops or I find in the next few weeks. I can not accept a $0.00 payout so I have nothing to loose - if it’s burned out then I am where I am now. If it’s just unrepairable / trashed then I will take whatever of my accessories are still on it and then accept the $0.00 pay out..

[HarryO]

Who claimed Ned Kelly was dead? That is a really **** result Harry & I hope you & a Pick Handle get to them before the cops do.[bigsad]

My kids old T-Ball aluminium baseball bat has a nice length & feel to it - if your on the “giving” end 😁

[scarry]

Over the last month the bastards have run up 6 fines all on Gympie Rd between Norman Rd, Lutchwe and Beams Rd, Carseldine - a 10km stretch of road.

Can I PLEASE ask members that use Gympie Rd to keep an eye out for this vehicle (Rego 659VNW)- easy way to remember it is White D4 with Rego ending in VNW (Very Nice Wagon) - if you see it call 000.

Sorry to hear your pain.

I am on the road all the time,crime stoppers are the people if anyone sees it.

Any kind of pattern when it comes to the day and time of the fines?

A mate of mine had an old Falcon stolen years ago.The police couldn't find it,but he did,12 months later.Fortunately it wasn't damaged at all.

[4bee]

My kids old T-Ball aluminium baseball bat has a nice length & feel to it - if your on the “giving” end 😁

Sounds good to me Harry, that's the coppers sorted for not trying harder. Now, what about the thieving scrotes?[biggrin]

[HarryO]

Thanks scarry- most of them are weekdays early morning 6-7:30am and late afternoon to just after sundown 5 - 8pm. Had one at 1:37am

Almost like he’s using it to go to work.
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[DiscoJeffster]

Thanks scarry- most of them are weekdays early morning 6-7:30am and the rest are late afternoon to just after sundown 5 - 8pm. Had one at 1:37am

Almost like he’s using to to go to work.
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Such people do not work.

[HarryO]

You’re most probably right - he’s living off the tax I pay!

just wish the cops would release the clearer copy of this fine picture - they say they have one. You can see them both smiling!!!

[4bee]

I guess it has already crossed your mind Harry, that maybe the cops are not bothered, or under instructions, not to stop the bastard as he & others like him are a good reliable source of income for them/Xmas Club/Govt..

But you are still paying up, roight?


Maybe it is just me?:rolleyes:

[gavinwibrow]

Thanks scarry- most of them are weekdays early morning 6-7:30am and late afternoon to just after sundown 5 - 8pm. Had one at 1:37am

Almost like he’s using it to go to work.
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From left field - Unless he has onsold it to some unsuspecting poor bugger, and hasn't yet done the transfer papers?

[scarry]

Thanks scarry- most of them are weekdays early morning 6-7:30am and late afternoon to just after sundown 5 - 8pm. Had one at 1:37am

Almost like he’s using it to go to work.
.

So some sort of routine,and no doubt they don't get a ticket every time they go along the same stretch of road.So may go at that time every day.
Maybe dropping someone off at work,or even working themselves,who knows.
I would wait for them,if you have time,and have the crime stoppers number on speed dial on your phone as you follow them.
Or another Police number that they will answer quickly.

Take the spare key fob with you if you have one,it may come in handy.

Not many D4's around,so easy to spot on that section of road,although it is busy at times.
Well there are a few around,but not a garden variety car if you know what i mean.
Your own vehicle is always the easiest to spot.

But don't confront them.

i hope you get lucky.[thumbsupbig]

[Bigbjorn]

Why don't you tell your local newspaper and hopefully get them to run a story with photo and a contact number.

[INter674]

Softly softly catchy tiger....don't go over the top cause they'll burn it😐

[Tombie]

One thing this thread does highlight:

Never be underinsured - or undeclared on accessories.

[INter674]

Agree re insurance but does it apply in this case as presumably the car is leased so owned by the finance co and any improvement simply adds value to the owner not the driver?

[HarryO]

INter674 it looks like you might be right as much as I hate it. It just fails the Pub Test for me - you add these accessories with your $$ nothing to do with the finance company!!

Report on the Weekends activities:-

Friday Night - 5 hrs looking - 3 X D3/4 and 0 x Police car spotted.

Saturday - 7 hrs looking - 4 x White D3/4 and 1 x Police “Command” car.

Sunday (so far today) - 4hrs looking - 1 x White D4 (L plates girl being taught by dad) and 0 x police cars. Will go out again tonight.

Conclusion so far - there are not many White D3/4 out there and even less police cars (unless they are all unmarked). What ever happened to the “bobby on the beat” - the cops need to rename their “patrol” cars to “parked somewhere safe” cars.

Don’t get me wrong I am NOT anti the police quite the opposite - I blame our succession on useless politicians (both sides) that underfund them and don’t use the latest technology for fear of upsetting our modern civil libertarians..

[Tombie]

Agree re insurance but does it apply in this case as presumably the car is leased so owned by the finance co and any improvement simply adds value to the owner not the driver?

Unsure how owner has this one set up.
One of the things my lease company stated was that I couldn’t use the lease to add any improvements to the vehicle - only maintain/operate.

Any accessories were added at my cost and wouldn’t be covered under the policy unless stated.

As each accessory was fitted the insurance was modified and lease company notified also. For the first 2 years the vehicle and accessories were full replacement (CGU). Post that period it was agreed value including listed accessories.

Depreciation of assets must be factored in and accounted for during lease/loan periods to ensure you aren’t left with nothing.


I sure hope your vigilant search finds the vehicle.

[HarryO]

Thanks to the sharp eye of Scarry for spotting this.


This is the link to the video my car is last section of video: burgerIcon (https://amp.couriermail.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts/highspeed-joyrides-drugs-cash-and-violence-inside-the-northside-gang/news-story/fa845bcdcf80ed12efbd54dd6b44c611)

99.999% sure that’s mine !!

The type of phone charger is identical but anyone can have that - the clincher is the redarc electronic brake knob position on the centre console in the final seconds of the video. ****ing little ****ers...

Looking at this picture what’s concerning is that it looks like a samurai type sword handle sticking up between the seats


I have decided to accept the losses and move on but will never insure myself through Alliance again.

[4bee]

Looking at this picture what’s concerning is that it looks like a samurai type sword handle sticking up between the seats

Well that wouldn't bode well if the cops stopped him.

Maybe they are actually aware of this "Accessory" & wouldn't pull him over, ever. Maybe he is a Cop? Pity he hasn't got a tattooed name on his arm though.

If it was a Series LR I'd reckon it was the handbrake lever for a late 2A but it isn't is it?[bigsad]


Just thinking, or not. If Paul was in the back seat why didn't he clobber the guy or pinch his weapon? [biggrin]

[scarry]

If it was a Series LR I'd reckon it was the handbrake lever for a late 2A but it isn't is it?[bigsad]


[biggrin]

They wouldn't get far in the 2A,because it has 3 pedals.[thumbsupbig]

Looks like the driver has a glove on his left hand.

HarryO,so if thats yours,as i presumed,the cops know who they are,they have been stealing cars in that area for many months.
Unfortunately,as we all know,the 'system' for these types doesn't work.

Hopefully your searching has results.

[4bee]

i presumed,the cops know who they are,they have been stealing cars in that area for many months.

The cops? Figures.[biggrin]



Gloves for nil DNA &/or dabs. I thought that was just a shadow.

[theelms66]

No glove on right hand. MMM . Maybe he has a tattoo on his left hand

[4bee]

It does look a bit discoloured doesn't it compared to the right hand thumb that is visible.

[HarryO]

It’s the same bling watch on the driver that the guy wears earlier in the video - his left hand has no tattoo while he’s smoking the pipe. Same skinny kid.

Glove on one hand perhaps he’s just half dumb [bigrolf]

[scarry]

It’s the same bling watch [bigrolf]

No doubt stolen.....

Just grubs,we can only hope what goes around comes around.

The house around the corner got knocked off the other day,at 1.00pm in the middle of the day.

They jiggled the glass sliding door,and levered it open with something like a tyre lever.

An elderly lady,recently widowed, living by herself,absolutely shattered.

They trashed the whole place,among other things,they took her lap top,we found out its not backed up,so she has lost everything,pics,the whole lot[bigsad].

Got good pics of them on CCTV, that was from the house opposite,so hopefully they get them.

[benignbrent]

I used a latching circuit with a magnetic reed switch hidden behind the dash in previous cars.
Very cool idea, maybe combine the taser idea another person commented~ y'all good at car modifications (https://www.karlknudsen.com.au), got so much to learn from

[4bee]

I realise it may sound a bit naive, but do you think this should now be discussed on here now he is a Land Rover "Owner" & subscribes?

If he is, I doubt whether his conscience would ***** him although maybe an Ice Pick might.[biggrin]



Don't ask me where to post but it certainly wouldn't be here. Think about it.[bigsad]

[HarryO]

Say hello to my little friend..

[INter674]

So..if we were in China or the UK facial recognition tech would ID this scumbag easily!

[Geedublya]

This is rudiculous, undoubtably the Police know who these grubs are and yet they are still on the loose thieving and flouting the law. I wouldn't be suprised if there is a collision with one of these drug addled morons resulting in serious injury or death of some poor innocent road user or bystander. I hope your pushing back to the local Police Harry, maybe have a chat with you local member.

[HarryO]

Yes I have been passing everything back to police - but I must admit this has seriously dented my faith in the system.

Most of us don’t realize just how bad it is but just join “Stolen Car QLD” on Facebook and see the list of stolen cars - that shows the true picture - it literally never stops updating with people reporting new stolen cars and asking people to help.

It IS out of control and the kids really don’t care if they get caught - if they do it just gives them more bragging rights.

[INter674]

Son's mate is a cop and 4wdriver and so many conversations are had re stolen cars in Tas.

To be fair cops are mere public servants and subject to Gov directions which are often focussed towards revenue raising and dealing with the issue of the day.

Domestic violence unfortunately takes up much of their time as does drug enforcement both of which relate to political sensitivities.

Hence car theft is low on the list of priorities esp given most cars are insured.

Raising the issue with your local member is therefore a good idea ...as said in Tas, Police only responded with a task force after vigilante action to stop organised Patrol stealing and after associated media attention suggesting cops were not interested.

Talk to your local member...see how that goes...