Dodge Defender Jeep ??

[goingbush]

Not what your thinking,

seen on facebook, thought it worth sharing.
This 1930's Dodge is built on a Defender 130 Chassis with Jeep Independent suspension and running gear. The owner has some decent fabbing skills !!

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81582730_10157825007039291_3619421888696025088_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=0S-pqTtuhnwAX_DVhU5&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=54c488b3c69b1cce61b9bb715e1d3146&oe=5E97A498

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https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81808755_2671299112951862_3806162849068220416_o.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=odWwegMWJDAAX8kk8hb&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=64eac40fc9c4b4726cd5ddfcd2e28ce2&oe=5ED78C2E

[disco gazza]

No pics or is it my 'puter.

[Fatso]

No pics or is it my 'puter.

Your Puter

[Geedublya]

Looks lovely except for the wheels which look out of place.
I especially like the hand built tub and the pillorless cabin.

[goingbush]

Looks lovely except for the wheels which look out of place.
I especially like the hand built tub and the pillorless cabin.

You are not wrong, I've gone to a lot of trouble to make the original 16" wheels and hubcaps fit over the 4wheel disc brakes I setup on my '49 Dodge , Looks so much better as original, and if that can't be done , at least steelies and moon caps that look period correct.

Jeep stud pattern is the same as Ford / Dodge so its not as if retro rims are not avaliable .

[shanegtr]

Looks awesome, but agree the rims look out of place. I'm sure a better looking modern rim could be found if that was the way you wanted to go. But hey its not mine so totally the owners choice.

[Bigbjorn]

How can I download the photos and send them as an e-mail? English language, please, not computer jargon.

[goingbush]

How can I download the photos and send them as an e-mail? English language, please, not computer jargon.

Mouse pointer on photo, Left click & hold down, drag onto your desktop, let go of left click. Now you can attach to your email.

[cripesamighty]

Quick way #1
Right click on each photo and select 'save image as'.
Name it to whatever you want and then save it to your computer (ie. downloads folder, photos foleder, My Computer, etc).
Then, when you are in your email app, insert the required photos from whichever folder you saved them in and send away.

Quick way #2
Right click on each photo and select 'email image'.
Follow the prompts.

I'm sure others will be along shortly with methods you could use. :BigThumb:

[4bee]

Quickway #2 is good.

[Bigbjorn]

Done. Thanks, folks. I used Quick Way 2.

[4bee]

Done. Thanks, fplks. I used Quick Way 2.



It took me a few years to find that as well, Brian.:blush:




Not the sharpest knife in the box apparently.[smilebigeye]

[Bigbjorn]

Does anyone know what the power train is? Engine & trans? It is said to have a Landrover Defender chassis. I hope it has a Chrysler 6.4 Hemi from a Jeep and not the puny pathetic plumber's van Puma.[bigwhistle]

[goingbush]

Does anyone know what the power train is? Engine & trans? It is said to have a Landrover Defender chassis. I hope it has a Chrysler 6.4 Hemi from a Jeep and not the puny pathetic plumber's van Puma.[bigwhistle]


Jeep Grand Cherokee 2014 engine and trans, though don't know what variety, clever mounting the Jeep suspension to the Defender Chassis, as applicable ADR's the vehicle needs to apply to will be the year the chassis is from , rather than the 2014 donor Jeep.

[theelms66]

Neat snorkel.

[rick130]

I'd love to see more photos, maybe an FB link if it's a public post please?

[disco gazza]

Changed browser....

Very noice....

Agree the rims dont match the rest of the car...

DG

[goingbush]

I'd love to see more photos, maybe an FB link if it's a public post please?

closed group but you can join Dodge Fargo - Australia public group | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/729281820426200/)

[goingbush]

Heres another one , built on a Holden Rodeo Chassis .


https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82382622_2496555367136628_6129075570144706560_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_eui2=AeHVeyd8JuiLoBU99haEX8XWOwBVsOEMA7hXfCF12-rbHV6wjAgbn3BujF7Ir488Ilnad2p3GCTYsX3p0Y3IDUb4maTP lsf2aPnhFUCYk8DUwg&_nc_ohc=iCGm-VjVRaYAX-uJ29h&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=e04499b20c6fd3cc789ae9a09b612ab1&oe=5EA96F14



And this on a Nissan Patrol

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I thought of putting mine on a 110 Chassis ( My Dodge is 108" wb) but its staying 100% original with Original (rebuilt) Flathead engine & 3 speed gearbox , Only Ive upgraded the brakes to dual circuit 4 wheel discs & will wear original 16x4.5" wheels & hubcaps.

work in progress ....

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[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

While discussing Dodges. My Dad was a PMG Linesman in NSW and the work vehicle was a four wheel drive van. Did the PMG have Dodges or International vans?

The time period in question would be late 60s to mid 1970s. There were a number of vehicles of the same style that were traded in and upgraded to newer models over that period of time.

Can anyone identify what manufacturer and models these PMG four wheel drive "Linesman's Vans" were?

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

According to JDNSW in reply to a post of mine some time ago. They all came out of the same plant & apparently had identical panels. The 1 ton Inter was a dead ringer for the 1 ton Dodge AFAICR.

[Lionelgee]

According to JDNSW in reply to a post of mine some time ago. They all came out of the same plant & apparently had identical panels. The 1 ton Inter was a dead ringer for the 1 ton Dodge AFAICR.

Hello 4Bee,

Gee - were they only rated as 1 Ton! They seemed much bigger!

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

Well, the Inter Tray top certainly was in my case.

It was rolled on a dirt country road loaded up with Frigidaire Refrig units & beer coolers due to a SH rear tyre the skinflints bought.

JD may be able to tell you more.

[JDNSW]

I can't help with what the PMG vans were, but I understand Dodge and International shared largely the same bodywork from about the end of WW2 up into at least the 1970s. As I understand it the body panelwork was made by Chrysler Australia, who had the presses to do it. International bought the pressings from Chrysler, but I do not know whether they were partly assembled by Chrysler or not. (Dodge, of course, was a Chrysler marque)

Although the appearance of the two brands was made to look quite different by using different trim etc, if you saw them alongside each other the commonality was obvious. The cab interior was different though, and the chassis and drive trains were also different, but since both companies bought in axles, gearboxes etc, there would have been some commonality.

[goingbush]

PMG Dodge , QLD

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78725184_3420931751312624_3560567943249002496_o.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_eui2=AeFDkxqQofN58jhiQj-rYAdkbEtfzVILadZ66GNIxY0JiAyii7OmURO2wszbO-xcS8cgKUarom0ygFqpPrAOe9iRwI4J9hPI0WvdEIyJcaspbA&_nc_ohc=2V4hgBMsYSYAX-8MgpB&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=69003dc875d8f585c8e31b2cafaf9a7f&oe=5EA8A396

[goingbush]

Lots of PMG Vans on this page including many Dodges and Inters

Colin McDiarmid | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151495594@N04/)

[Lionelgee]

Lots of PMG Vans on this page including many Dodges and Inters

Colin McDiarmid | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151495594@N04/)

Hello Going Bush,

Thanks for the link to Colin McDiarmid's site. One of the first vehicles was a PMG Van 4x4 International AB120. Accessed 16th January 2020 from, PMG Van 4x4 International AB120 '''ZET-688''' Red | Colin McDiarmid | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151495594@N04/45225975665).

The later model van did not have any side windows in the cargo area. I will keep looking. Thanks!

Had a bit more of a dig and found a windowed version of a later van 1975 International D1510

I am not sure what the numbers in the following models mean - is there are number which relates to carrying capacity?

Kind regards
Lionel

Kind regards
Lionel

[JDNSW]

Hello Going Bush,

Thanks for the link to Colin McDiarmid's site. One of the first vehicles was a PMG Van 4x4 International AB120. Accessed 16th January 2020 from, PMG Van 4x4 International AB120 '''ZET-688''' Red | Colin McDiarmid | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151495594@N04/45225975665).

The later model van did not have any side windows in the cargo area. I will keep looking. Thanks!

Had a bit more of a dig and found a windowed version of a later van 1975 International D1510

I am not sure what the numbers in the following models mean - is there are number which relates to carrying capacity?

Kind regards
Lionel

Kind regards
Lionel

If yoou mean the numbers in the model designations, they do not represent specific carrying capacity - but while the first digit is always "1", the second digit increases with carrying capacity - for example, the 110 is a light pickup, the 120 is a heavier duty version, the 130 normally has a trayback and has dual rear wheels. The 160 would be a MR by current standards, and the 180 a heavier version. The 190 was usually (but not always) fitted with tandem rear axles, usually used as a prime mover.

The third digit, not displayed on body trim, and often ignored elsewhere, represents variants of the model.

With the C- series, an extra zero was added.

The letter prefix was as follows:-

L = first postwar design, R = minor restyle and mechanical changes, S = more modern engines, minor restyle, A = completely restyled cab and bodywork, four headlights arranged vertically, B = minor mechanical changes.

AR = R model Australian built, AS = S model Australian built, AA = A model Australian built, AB = Australian built mechanically cross between A and B, new styling, full width bonnet, headlights at an angle. C = Australian built update of AB, two headlights, a zero added to the number. Note that the R-series continued as the 190 long after smaller models had more modern styles.

For completeness, while four (or six) wheel drive conversions were available from time to time for almost any model, the only models sold in significant numbers with driving front axles were the 120, 160, and 190, although I don't believe any 190s 6x6s were sold in Australia.
Hope this helps - all from memory! (I know less about later and cab over models)

[cjc_td5]

Damn you lot, you have me side tracked again!

I've always been a bit partial to Bedford TJ & TK series trucks.
I saw a nice TJ unit in Perth recently. Was 4WD, sounded like a warm v8 underneath, wooden tray, retro paint, nice....

Then there's this hahahaha.
Custom 1968 J Series Bedford (https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/custom-4x4s/custom-1968-j-series-bedford)

Off on another hair brained project scoping exercise.....
Chris

[aussearcher]

Lionel,
I'm on a similar mission to you. My father was a diesel mechanic with DCA based at Eagle Farm. He did a lot of work installing gen sets at Queensland regional airports. The work van would come home before and after each trip. My memory (and my brother's) is that they were always Inters. I'm looking for an Inter panel van from the '60s at the moment as I want to recreate a "tribute" vehicle.
Alan

[goingbush]

Similar to what I'm doing with our Dodge Ute, making a 'tribute' to my wifes Pops Ute . Val grew up with and learned to drive in the Dodge & was her go-to vehicle, she was devastated when returned from Army service to find it had been sold . I've been looking for the ideal 'restorer' for about 25 years. Must say it was quite an emotional thing when it arrived in our driveway . Photo shows an overlay of Val with original Ute ontop of the one we found and had delivered from Rosedale QLD.

I bought it sight unseen from photos in a Facebook Ad , knowing nothing about its mechanical condition talked him down from 14.5 to 12k .



http://goingbush.com/Fargo/1949.jpg

[Lionelgee]

Damn you lot, you have me side tracked again!

I've always been a bit partial to Bedford TJ & TK series trucks.
I saw a nice TJ unit in Perth recently. Was 4WD, sounded like a warm v8 underneath, wooden tray, retro paint, nice....

Then there's this hahahaha.
Custom 1968 J Series Bedford (https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/custom-4x4s/custom-1968-j-series-bedford)

Off on another hair brained project scoping exercise.....
Chris

Hello Chris,

The first vehicle I ever drove was a pressure pack sprayed yellow J2 Bedford on my grandfather's farm. My grandfather was riding shotgun - I even managed to keep the truck away from the big gum trees!

Here is something for you. A Bedford and it has lots of bright red paint!

Kind regards
Lionel

[4bee]

[QUOTE=goingbush;2966699]Similar to what I'm doing with our Dodge Ute, making a 'tribute' to my wifes Pops Ute . Val grew up with and learned to drive in the Dodge & was her go-to vehicle, she was devastated when returned from Army service to find it had been sold . I've been looking for the ideal 'restorer' for about 25 years. Must say it was quite an emotional thing when it arrived in our driveway . Photo shows an overlay of Val with original Ute ontop of the one we found and had delivered from Rosedale QLD.

I bought it sight unseen from photos in a Facebook Ad , knowing nothing about its mechanical condition talked him down from 14.5 to 12k .



http://goingbush.com/Fargo/1949.jpg[/QUOTE

Cradle Snatcher[smilebigeye]

[ramblingboy42]

I can't help thinking that the Chrysler/Dodge/international vehicles were assembled ckd in Port Adelaide , in a plant just over the Birkenhead bridge.

I spent every summer for 15yrs in that vicinity and can remember the factory well.

Mum and Dad lived their retirement and senior years just up the road at Peterhead , but I cannot recall what happened to factory. I think it got knocked down for road interchange.

Must be someone here grew up in Pt Adelaide can enlighten me.

[JDNSW]

I don't think the International vehicles were (I think they were built in Melbourne), but their cabs were.

[goingbush]

I can't help thinking that the Chrysler/Dodge/international vehicles were assembled ckd in Port Adelaide , in a plant just over the Birkenhead bridge.

I spent every summer for 15yrs in that vicinity and can remember the factory well.

Mum and Dad lived their retirement and senior years just up the road at Peterhead , but I cannot recall what happened to factory. I think it got knocked down for road interchange.

Must be someone here grew up in Pt Adelaide can enlighten me.


AM sent me this via PM . (this is probably the later 1966 Tonsley Park plant though)


The main assembly building roof and powerhouse is still intact and they kept some of the huge cranes, but no assembly line remains


https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/78487827_828758724225050_5768094259089506304_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_eui2=AeF0qYPim6rGGNlXgx-Uxd-HJu3LgfyWQVe12y8-r6aLvqeJN7QzFXrdrag2KXKPjsn9tvoME2I0sPA3Ea2OqzMfRX B_5w5RvXuOSC5tNw0pzA&_nc_ohc=34258X02YkEAX_87iTZ&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&_nc_tp=1002&oh=958006354d178bcc9f7c12bb761ea349&oe=5E9C2E1F

[goingbush]

Keswick Plant.

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69131645_2380221395401994_5390616824758927360_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeGU3o1duxNd-MOlHmvwQS6jzvEPdDVwH6GjV-okT2ISPfj6LRfZO3BgTooQDAhPtOZfLlrcKlOorQnj3GvqUVsn KmBqxrgcxBm--_1ksucVrA&_nc_ohc=gWuGxHvULFwAX-FVAUI&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=dc3b5692bb50ae62ee9af3ade9251a3d&oe=5EA7AC8D

A few months ago

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https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68892290_192686751729726_7213476502245998592_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=111&_nc_eui2=AeEKl8w7__C0uVEK88YdSt3NUFOeDAY-JHH3lqv-YW5m2vDuOJ-oArq6lGplW-oizVxzMnYJFpYDE3HgbHVuD-UiRQCziM1NLcsn42JjIN8aTA&_nc_ohc=StKuV1Ljzl4AX_DU6dJ&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=3252b14740b5bcb4515604b56244a17f&oe=5E9E2934

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[4bee]

I can't help thinking that the Chrysler/Dodge/international vehicles were assembled ckd in Port Adelaide , in a plant just over the Birkenhead bridge.

I spent every summer for 15yrs in that vicinity and can remember the factory well.

Mum and Dad lived their retirement and senior years just up the road at Peterhead , but I cannot recall what happened to factory. I think it got knocked down for road interchange.

Must be someone here grew up in Pt Adelaide can enlighten me.


Sorry RB, & yes now gone, but you are thinking of the GMH Assembly Plant on that site.

I didn't actually grow up in Port Adelaide but spent a lot of time down there when I would go with my old Dad to work as a Driver for a Transport Co. I don't recall any other plant except FORD & I can't quite recall where they were but Largs Bay rings a bell..

Happy days.




Edited. Ford Australia’s Largs Bay Assembly Plant | Motor Museum


Edit #2. Chrysler's first plant that I can recall, was at Keswick on ANZAC Highway South of Keswick Barracks, now "The old Le Cornus site" & now something else recently ????

EDIT #3 Ah yes. Kaufland have bought it for a supermarket thingy. Google it.


(https://motor.history.sa.gov.au/research-types/ford-australias-largs-bay-assembly-plant/)

[4bee]

GMH Plant Birkenhead SA



General Motors Holden GMH - Birkenhead Plant ( Port Adelai… | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/22729928@N02/6343172937)

[aussearcher]

John,
By my understanding you are correct. Dodge vehicles were assembled in Adelaide, Inters were assembled at a plant in Dandenong. I think this plant eventually became the Nissan factory. Inter farm machinery was built in Geelong.
Alan

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

I found a link to a history of International Harvester's manufacturing in Australia and it mentions a factory in Geelong. Please see the following link accessed 18th of January 2020 from, International Harvester Aust manufacturing history - Historic Commercial Vehicle Club of Australia (https://www.hcvc.com.au/forum/restore/4191-international-harvester-aust-manufacturing-history#45909).

There are a number of posts about IH.


Kind regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

More about IHC from the Museums Victoria collection Accessed 18th January 2020 from, International Harvester (IH) Collection (https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/articles/3158)

In response to restrictive Commonwealth import tariffs, International Harvester established its own Australian manufacturing operations, opening factories at Geelong in 1937, to produce agricultural equipment (and later tractors), at Dandenong in 1952, to produce motor trucks, and at Port Melbourne in 1958, to produce earthmoving and construction equipment. To assist in the development of products specifically for Australian markets a truck proving ground was established at Anglesea in 1961 and a Product Engineering Centre at Geelong in 1962.


By the late 1970s, the International Harvester Company was suffering from declining sales and rising costs prompting a drastic rationalisation of its worldwide operations, which included the closure of the Geelong and Port Melbourne factories by the mid 1980s. International Trucks Australia Ltd which operated the Dandenong factory was acquired in 1992 by IVECO, part of the Italian-based Fiat Group, and is still in production.

The description relates to how the ... "collection comprises a large number of glass plate and film negatives, transparencies, photo albums, product catalogues, videos, motion picture films, company journals, advertisements and newspaper cuttings relating to the Australian operations of the International Harvester Company."

The proper citation for the article is: Churchward, M. (2010) International Harvester (IH) Collection in Museums Victoria Collections International Harvester (IH) Collection (https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/articles/3158) Accessed 18 January 2020

Visiting the collection would be a good way to spend the day.

Kind regards
Lionel

[ramblingboy42]

GMH Plant Birkenhead SA



General Motors Holden GMH - Birkenhead Plant ( Port Adelai… | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/22729928@N02/6343172937)

ah yes , thats the place......

for some reason I was thinking it was the Chrysler/Dodge place.

[4bee]

ah yes , thats the place......

for some reason I was thinking it was the Chrysler/Dodge place.

That is pretty much the same, a bit like GMH, looking a bit sorry for itself.
Not sure what is there now though could still be a block of land covered in rubble. There is a lot of small "Apartment" type boxes being built all around that area so I doubt you'd even recognise the joint these days. A couple of large Opening & Closing Cantilever Road & Rail Bridges were built a few years ago to open up that side of the peninsular a lot of earthworks that you knew so well so anyone dropping in from Mars might have a better recollection of the parish than what you can remember.

Not even sure if the old RAN depot buildings HMAS Torrens (latterly HMAS Encounter) is still there.

Last time I was down there the big Gun from HMCS Protector was still in the Park. Now? Who knows?


Don't even mention the large SA Harbours Board Dockyards with the magnificent Floating Crane towards the sea end of that precinct. I suspect last time I googled it that also appeared to be rubble.

Sad I know but that is the way the world seems to be going.

Actually on reflection I think I'd enjoy living there now, right on the river/reach. You may be interested to know the Jervois Bridge compressed air bull horn of a siren still operates for vessels wanting passage through & the mechanics/hydraulics of the bridge driving open & closing still sounds the same.

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

After doing some study tonight I was winding down by doing the occasional internet search for information about one of my trucks. A 1934-35 REO Speed Wagon. Most of the time these searches bring up the same old photographs of trucks that show me nothing new.

Today I found one for sale in the US of A and I sent a message to the owner. I let them know that I am restoring one of these trucks and I requested some photographs be taken of the truck so I can use them for a reference.

I hope that the message is not simply ignored. I can fully understand if it is - the point of the advertisement is to sell the truck not have people from the other side of the world to hassle them.

I really hope that the message gets through and is responded to favourably. Fingers crossed and wish me luck.

The photograph is of the USA truck - it is in so much better condition than mine is. The second photo is my truck - there is just a wee bit of difference in the condition between the two trucks!

Oh the Tyranny of Distance ....

Kind regards
Lionel

[JDNSW]

I note that there are definite differences in the cab. This is to be expected, as there was a blanket ban imposed on the import of complete vehicles during WW1, which remained in place until after WW2, although loopholes existed. The cab was almost certainly locally made, and built onto an imported rolling chassis with mudguards, scuttle, bonnet and radiator shell. The tray was almost always locally built.

(This ban on vehicle import was to save on shipping space when introduced, but was kept in place after WW1 to protect the burgeoning local industry.)

[ramblingboy42]

I searched REO Speedwagon and got directed to the bands songs on youtube .

[ramblingboy42]

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tvhmq6_IKs)

[goingbush]

I note that there are definite differences in the cab. This is to be expected, as there was a blanket ban imposed on the import of complete vehicles during WW1, which remained in place until after WW2, although loopholes existed. The cab was almost certainly locally made, and built onto an imported rolling chassis with mudguards, scuttle, bonnet and radiator shell. The tray was almost always locally built.

(This ban on vehicle import was to save on shipping space when introduced, but was kept in place after WW1 to protect the burgeoning local industry.)


Interesting . I have found not many parts on my Canadian built CKD / Australian assembled 1949 Dodge are the same as a USA 1949 Dodge , Though they look the same . Australian version is a Ute as we know them and USA version is a step side tub with seperate cab. My 218cu in Flathead has a 25" long head and the USA 218cu in Flathed is 23" , so the commonly avaliable USA head gasket does not fit mine, Ditto different bore and stroke , different crankshaft and different journal sizes , so I had a hell of a time finding .020 undersize bearings and .020 over rings . Luckily the cam bearings , timing chain, oil pump and distributor are all interchangeable, though the US model has a Delco distributor and Australian has a made in Australia Lucas distributor. Likewise USA uses a Carter carby and AU has a local Stromberg carby. Diff and transmission are US built , the starter motor is foot pedal operated but the pedal is on the left side as it pushes on the bendix lever on the starter motor on left side of engine, I don't think its reachable from the drivers seat !!

[Lionelgee]

I searched REO Speedwagon and got directed to the bands songs on youtube .

Hello Rambling Boy,

Welcome to the joy of REO Speed Wagon ownership. The REO Speed Wagon was a truck that was also fitted out as very popular fire engines. The band named themselves after the fire engine.

It comes in sooo handy when you try and research stuff about the vehicles. Even when you type in REO Speed Wagon and add the word Truck some search engines retrieve information about, and copies of songs from the band.

Sometimes there is no space between the SpeedWagon. This too effects searches.

REO made buses which found their way to Australia. During WWII REO also made military trucks. REO also made passenger cars like the REO Flying Cloud.

REO also had a contract with Mack trucks in the 1930s and the ute style vehicles were made by REO but sold as Mack Juniors between 1936 and 1938.

REO became Diamond REOs when they amalgamated with Diamond T trucks who were then bought out by White trucks.

REO also made self-propelled cylinder lawn mowers.

Kind regards
Lionel

[JDNSW]

Interesting . I have found not many parts on my Canadian built CKD / Australian assembled 1949 Dodge are the same as a USA 1949 Dodge , Though they look the same . Australian version is a Ute as we know them and USA version is a step side tub with seperate cab. My 218cu in Flathead has a 25" long head and the USA 218cu in Flathed is 23" , so the commonly avaliable USA head gasket does not fit mine, Ditto different bore and stroke , different crankshaft and different journal sizes , so I had a hell of a time finding .020 undersize bearings and .020 over rings . Luckily the cam bearings , timing chain, oil pump and distributor are all interchangeable, though the US model has a Delco distributor and Australian has a made in Australia Lucas distributor. Likewise USA uses a Carter carby and AU has a local Stromberg carby. Diff and transmission are US built , the starter motor is foot pedal operated but the pedal is on the left side as it pushes on the bendix lever on the starter motor on left side of engine, I don't think its reachable from the drivers seat !!

The chassis and mechanicals would have been imported from the Canadian factory because of "Empire Preference" tariffs. The engine would have been built in Canada, and it seems that you have found that Canada did not build the same engine as the US did - possibly an earlier model? I seem to remember reading that the Ford T engine remained in production in Canada into the 1940s.

The Lucas and Stromberg substitutions may have been either Australian or Canadian substitutions - my guess is Australian.

I have run across the issue of a foot pedal operated starter set for LHD before, but I can't remember what it was on. Possibly on a 1930s ute that a cousin of mine had in the fifties, which may have been a Dodge.

[Bigbjorn]

Many of the later Chrysler side valve sixes sold here into the 1950's were known as the Dodge Kew after the London UK plant. From memory Kew was either a casting mark or part of the engine number. There was a 16' skiff boat racing class that mandated the use of the Kew engine like Formula Vee and Formula Ford. There once was quite a lot of speed equipment available for them notably from Frank Kleinig. Lots on the internet about Chrysler flatheads.

Here is a link.

Chrysler flathead engine - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_flathead_engine)

[goingbush]

The Kew Dodges were indeed made in UK , Essentially the same engine as our 25" head model, and a 'kew' prefix on the engine number. The Kew Dodge has no resemblance to the USA dodge and also known as the Parrot Nose due to the beaked bonnet.

KEW engines also found their way into local Fargos & Australian Canadian Dodges.

Typically British styling

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[goingbush]

Also the Dodge Sidevalve Engine was still being made well into the 1970's for use in Combine Harvesters, gen-sets and Aircraft Tugs !

[loanrangie]

I love the concept, saw a 109 wagon body on a V8 D4 chassis for sale in the states. The exterior was essentially styled as a defender but with the full D4 interior and tech - just as LR should have built except with a TDV6.

[goingbush]

Just picked my engine up from rebuilders. Woo Hoo.

3 new sleeves, .020 pistons & rings, .020 under mains & conrod bearings , resized bigends, crank ground, replace cam bearings, SBC inlet valves , ( orig Ex valves were fine) linished lifters, new camchain & oil pump . Acid bath and decked block , crack tested and surfaced head. Good for another 70 years.

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[JDNSW]

One of the things I always noticed about those old American flatheads is the cups for the spark plus - to collect the dirt , water, stray nuts, etc and funnel them into the cylinder when you take the plug out!

(Possibly originally intended as priming cups - put a spoonful of petrol in each cup, loosen the plug to let it in, tighten, and then crank.)

[ramblingboy42]

I have run across the issue of a foot pedal operated starter set for LHD before, but I can't remember what it was on. Possibly on a 1930s ute that a cousin of mine had in the fifties, which may have been a Dodge........

As a kid I remember them being on old gun carriers from WW11, many cockys bought them cheaply. I used to have to stand up to drive one.

[cjc_td5]

One of the things I always noticed about those old American flatheads is the cups for the spark plus - to collect the dirt , water, stray nuts, etc and funnel them into the cylinder when you take the plug out!

(Possibly originally intended as priming cups - put a spoonful of petrol in each cup, loosen the plug to let it in, tighten, and then crank.)Sunken spark plug ports just like a landrover 2.0l motor..... You never know what dirt lurks in the bottom of them, ready to drop into cylinder when you remove the plug.

[Bigbjorn]

One of the things I always noticed about those old American flatheads is the cups for the spark plus - to collect the dirt , water, stray nuts, etc and funnel them into the cylinder when you take the plug out!

(Possibly originally intended as priming cups - put a spoonful of petrol in each cup, loosen the plug to let it in, tighten, and then crank.)

Many veteran vehicles had priming cups. Some spark plugs from that era had priming cups integral with the plug body. Priming cups are readily available from specialist old car suppliers.

[JDNSW]

Sunken spark plug ports just like a landrover 2.0l motor..... You never know what dirt lurks in the bottom of them, ready to drop into cylinder when you remove the plug.

Yes, although they are supposed to have those bakelite covers which would keep most of the junk out.

[goingbush]

Speaking of Chrysler Flatheads , check this Sherman tank engine made from 5 x Dodge Flatheads connected radially .

Chrysler A57 Multibank Tank Engine | Old Machine Press (https://oldmachinepress.com/2012/10/05/chrysler-a57-multibank-tank-engine/)


https://youtu.be/uYyh2NGPo3U


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[goingbush]

Cranked up the Sidevalve Dodge for the first time today. First attempt resulted in non start as the timing was 180 out.

Moved plug leads around on cap & as you see basically started straight up, runs like a sewing machine after tweaking a few carby screws.. Must refrain from starting it now till I get the car on the road and can run the engine in properly.
40 psi at idle .


https://youtu.be/M3kM0YBZYew

[bblaze]

Cranked up the Sidevalve Dodge for the first time today. First attempt resulted in non start as the timing was 180 out.

Moved plug leads around on cap & as you see basically started straight up, runs like a sewing machine after tweaking a few carby screws.. Must refrain from starting it now till I get the car on the road and can run the engine in properly.
40 psi at idle .


https://youtu.be/M3kM0YBZYew

sweet
cheers
blaze