Do I actually own a 4wd tourer?

[Stiltz]

Hi all long time stalker of this amazing tourer.

I am the proud owner of a 2010 D4 HSE for the last 3yrs now with 230k on the clock. Apart from some regular maintenance and common wear and tear its been great.

In the next year we are planning some big remote trips. An outback charity trip, Cape York and Fraser Island. My question is due to the age and milage do you think the disco is up for it? I have 2 young boys so getting severely stuck is not ideal and i also need to start investing in accessories soon.

Works already done - steal auto pan and flush, new Lower Control Arms, new airbag sensors. Timing belts done (but not turbo return).

Can i stick with it or drop more money in something newer...

[grey_ghost]

Hi,

I don’t have a D4 so shouldn’t answer this, but from all that I have read - do your regular maintenance, look at the suspension bushes, top radiator hose, and you should be fine.

The D4 is a great vehicle.

Get a Land Rover Indie to have a good look over your vehicle.

[Stiltz]

Yeah i use a indie in Brookvale (sydney) who agrees its a good car but the kms are getting high...

[DiscoJeffster]

272,000km still going. Better get to 500,000km.

[josh.huber]

272,000km still going. Better get to 500,000km.

That's a big call... You not long ago had a post where you had to remove a crank. There was also a post recently about people at the same age. All of us basically getting to 220,000 then investing. LCA is a given. Every 80k for me.
But I've just done manifolds, coolant junction, AC is on the fritz and needs a valve. Coolant tank been done with alternator and rear latches last quarter of last year.
Up until now yeah I thought my car was a freak of nature. Now. It is what it is. If your outback and the manifolds go. Finding someone to do them won't be easy. I would invest in a decent amount of insurance, warranty and road side assistance. As well as making sure the Indy is available by phone for help when needed.
I have a gap tool and a tablet in my glove box. The tablet has the manuals loaded on it so I have help when I need them. I broke it out into sections so it's not 7500 pages long. Just the chapter I need when I need it

[DiscoJeffster]

Absolutely. Fresh bearings all in tolerance again. New oil pump, oil cooler, seals. The oil system is as good as new essentially. Wishful thinking maybe, but my fingers are crossed.

[Barraman]

Hmmm - my 2015 D4 has 170,000 km on the clock. I wouldn’t hesitate to take it up Cape York !

[josh.huber]

Absolutely. Fresh bearings all in tolerance again. New oil pump, oil cooler, seals. The oil system is as good as new essentially. Wishful thinking maybe, but my fingers are crossed.

Yeah I honestly agree that it would and should get there. Mine hasn't had that work.. But I basically need it to reach that aswell.
My point was though. You stated that you were at 270 and still going looking to 500, which can be confusing to the op. Because you didn't mention what you have been through. He's talking about taking a car into the bush as a tourer and at that milage. He's nearly in cheque book territory

[DiscoJeffster]

Yeah I honestly agree that it would and should get there. Mine hasn't had that work.. But I basically need it to reach that aswell.
My point was though. You stated that you were at 270 and still going looking to 500, which can be confusing to the op. Because you didn't mention what you have been through. He's talking about taking a car into the bush as a tourer and at that milage. He's nearly in cheque book territory

Yes true. I’ve never hesitated taking mine anywhere. Admittedly I know my vehicle’s history so I know what’s expected and what’s been done.

[INter674]

Na..don't do it....sell it for bugger all and go get a bank loan.. say 100 to 120 grand and buy a 79 series and fix all the design and performance issues that come standard with the car😎

Seriously just prepare well...take it easy...take a sat phone/epirb...like the 4wd tv blokes do..take basic spares n tools etc and have a recovery/brake down contingency.. eg recovery insurance.

You will be fine☺

[Stiltz]

Thank you Josh for the clarity.

I agree i have the sense i am getting into "cheque book territory" which does put doubt in my mind of its durability but not its capability.

I am going to take your advice invest in insurances and etc and buy a code reader. Then i will get some spares.

Knowing that we intend to do these big trips and keep the car for awhile do you think i should do the turbo bleed pipe now. Indie says $1.5k and it could save the turbos...

[discorevy]

Thank you Josh for the clarity.

I agree i have the sense i am getting into "cheque book territory" which does put doubt in my mind of its durability but not its capability.

I am going to take your advice invest in insurances and etc and buy a code reader. Then i will get some spares.

Knowing that we intend to do these big trips and keep the car for awhile do you think i should do the turbo bleed pipe now. Indie says $1.5k and it could save the turbos...



$1.5 k is about 3 times what it should cost, yes you should get it done , but get another quote
the kits are sub $ 200 and a couple of hours labour

[scarry]

I would move it on,but thats me,10yrs old,k's are getting up,it isn't going to get any younger.

If you can do repairs to it yourself,maybe keep it,but if you have to pay someone to do repairs,you could/will be up for some expensive repairs.

But the real issue is what would you replace it with?

There isn't much similar around,except one of the last D4's.

There is also the Jap stuff,but its pretty expensive.

Depends on your budget as well.

Good luck with your decision.

[josh.huber]

Thank you Josh for the clarity.

I agree i have the sense i am getting into "cheque book territory" which does put doubt in my mind of its durability but not its capability.

I am going to take your advice invest in insurances and etc and buy a code reader. Then i will get some spares.

Knowing that we intend to do these big trips and keep the car for awhile do you think i should do the turbo bleed pipe now. Indie says $1.5k and it could save the turbos...

I'd get a new indie. If it's the turbo drain that I had done on mine. All 4x4 in New South Wales did it with genuine parts. The Labor quote was so reasonable that the Mrs dropped off the car and went across the road shopping. I think the parts were maybe 200 and 200 Labor. Can't remember but I generally don't pay for labour.
If your on original manifolds. You won't beat them. Just change them. Same as coolant junction. Take an alternator with you if it hasn't died yet. Or better yet. Fit a new one and keep the original for when you get back.
All cars cost at that age and milage. I used to say the best car was a Toyota petrol. Now mums has just **** an inlet manifold aswell. So I'm now on the insurance and roadside way of thinking. That and start getting under and doing your own inspection before a service. Grab and feel things so you know what the are supposed to feel like when your out bush and can't find a noise. Pull the great shields have a look at stuff. Jack up the wheels feel the bearings rotate the tyres yourself. You can see allot when your in there

[josh.huber]

Found receipt, paid $310 in Labor. Carry out turbo oil drain mod to rhs turbo. Parts were $290 so $600 in total

[josh.huber]

Definitely get it done. I remember both occasions mine pulled the oil up and ate it. Both times I thought the engine was finished for sure.

[DiscoJeffster]

Found receipt, paid $310 in Labor. Carry out turbo oil drain mod to rhs turbo. Parts were $290 so $600 in total

Do the drain and alternator at the same time. You’re in the same neck of the woods anyhow removing the starter etc. May as well. I just changed mine - I didn’t wait it to fail. Same with top rad hose. Same with coolant outlet. Fix all the common issues that will leave you stranded and you’ll be smiling.

Take the recommended spares plu a good reader (GAP iidtool).

[josh.huber]

The real answer is yes by the way. After owning one I can't think of anything else I would travel in

[Bigbjorn]

Why does everyone have a problem with going up The Cape in a modern 4WD vehicle? Toots and Arthur Holzheimer (Peninsula Transport) were going there on a regular basis from the late 50's using slow, hot, heavy, rough as guts, and hard to drive Leyland Hippos. Toots in a floral dress and Blucher boots.

[DiscoMick]

A Disco should be fine if you are sensible up there. That many kms is not a deal-breaker. Discos are tough vehicles.

Serious servicing and preventative maintenance is the key. Fix the things that are getting worn before they break.

Think about how prolonged corrugations might affect your vehicle. For example, when we took our D1 up there the bracket holding the power steering fluid bottle flexed so much it cracked. We had to drill a fresh hole to reattach it. Also the flexible connection in the exhaust split from all the vibrations. Fortunately it's a generic part for exhausts.

Suspension, bushes and tyres are vital. Make sure they are in top condition. Don't skimp on them - get the best.

As for water crossings, the simple answer is don't tackle anything that would make you feel uncomfortable. Stand back, grab a drink and watch the heroes to see if they drown their vehicles. Then make a smart choice for yourself.

We had our Defender up there in November as far as Coen. Nothing broke because Defenders are simple and ours is well maintained. The new bitumen sections are great, but the bits still corrugated are vicious. Mind you, we also travelled some corrugated roads in western Queensland which were worse than up the Cape.

One key point is to travel light. Don't overload your vehicle. Keep it simple.

You know your vehicle best, so just think hard about what it can cope with.

Ultimately, the main thing is your attitude to the situations you encounter. Go with a positive attitude, be smart and enjoy your adventure.

[Stiltz]

I'll double check the quote when i get back but it may have also been for the manifolds.

[josh.huber]

I'll double check the quote when i get back but it may have also been for the manifolds.

I hope so but doubt it. I paid 500 aud each for genuine manifold before postage. In my opinion you want genuine and the latest revision. If you end up with aftermarket you don't know what version they copied and to what extent. And they're quality control afterwards. We are all after a fix not a band-aid.

[DiscoJeffster]

I hope so but doubt it. I paid 500 aud each for genuine manifold before postage. In my opinion you want genuine and the latest revision. If you end up with aftermarket you don't know what version they copied and to what extent. And they're quality control afterwards. We are all after a fix not a band-aid.

Manifolds are between $1500 and $2000 depending on who does it

[DiscoJeffster]

I'll double check the quote when i get back but it may have also been for the manifolds.

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Here is the TSB so you have some idea what you're paying for (or not).

[Stiltz]

I'm away on holiday (lots of beach driving) so I'll check my files when i get home. In summary i should get it done sooner than later. Unfortunately i don't have the facilities or the time to do stuff myself so the labour cost does hurt double.

As many have mention the alternative options are limited. Having owned hiluxes and Pajeros there isnt much in the same calbre.

[DiscoChris]

I took our 2012 D4 with 180k up to the Cape last winter towing 3.5 tonne of caravan.
Alas a turbo failed 150 km short of Cairns. Luck of the draw. I used a GAP tool and rang my indie in Melbourne to confirm problem and the need to get to Cairns to get it fixed.
RACV Total care covered the cost of towing vehicle and van into Cairns, the cost of the caravan park and a rental car while we waited for a week to get the Turbo replaced by an indie (Peter at Hypertune) in Cairns. $5k to fix which is a lot cheaper than it would have cost me in Melb - my Melb Indie told me so.
I cannot speak too highly of RACV Total Care for the service they provided.

We had no other serious issues with the D4 but had to use RACV Total Care again when we got a hole in the chassis of the caravan.

When we returned to Melb, I took the D4 back to my Indie (AMV) to get it checked out and serviced. Vehicle is running as well now as it was before the trip and I would happily take it to the Cape again (if I can get the Mrs to go on a dirt road again [bighmmm]).

Moral of the story; take your D4 on the trip if your are comfortable with it and get top roadside assistance coverage.

Good luck and enjoy your trip.

[pjh4159]

Hi all long time stalker of this amazing tourer.

I am the proud owner of a 2010 D4 HSE for the last 3yrs now with 230k on the clock. Apart from some regular maintenance and common wear and tear its been great.

In the next year we are planning some big remote trips. An outback charity trip, Cape York and Fraser Island. My question is due to the age and milage do you think the disco is up for it? I have 2 young boys so getting severely stuck is not ideal and i also need to start investing in accessories soon.

Works already done - steal auto pan and flush, new Lower Control Arms, new airbag sensors. Timing belts done (but not turbo return).

Can i stick with it or drop more money in something newer...

The biggest issues in remote travel is the rim size with limited tyre options available which translates to a very real risk of tyre damage when travelling over sand,rocky or gibber country, many have done it but you may need more spare tyres than others may carry on trips such as this.

[4bee]

It sounds like you will need your own Charity Trip to pay for all of the above. [biggrin] Should we start a JustGiving page? [smilebigeye]

[DiscoMick]

The biggest issues in remote travel is the rim size with limited tyre options available which translates to a very real risk of tyre damage when travelling over sand,rocky or gibber country, many have done it but you may need more spare tyres than others may carry on trips such as this.X 2.

[Valiant barny]

You would be a brave man want to go to remote places buy a land cruiser you may get away with a Landrover a couple of times. but you can be sure it will let you down

[Ian Abbott]

Hi all long time stalker of this amazing tourer.

I am the proud owner of a 2010 D4 HSE for the last 3yrs now with 230k on the clock. Apart from some regular maintenance and common wear and tear its been great.

In the next year we are planning some big remote trips. An outback charity trip, Cape York and Fraser Island. My question is due to the age and milage do you think the disco is up for it? I have 2 young boys so getting severely stuck is not ideal and i also need to start investing in accessories soon.

Works already done - steal auto pan and flush, new Lower Control Arms, new airbag sensors. Timing belts done (but not turbo return).

Can i stick with it or drop more money in something newer...

This as a guide!!
Similar age, slightly less kms D4 3.0Lt and from viewing this forum and discussions with the dealer and our much appreciated indie, Dover Autos, suggest as follows but not limited to: Air Susp compressor, rear wheel bearings, alternator and get a spare brake switch, front and rear height sensor/switches. Naturally normal service and be certain fuel filter done, carry one x front hub (bearing is inside) Successfull 9500 kms Perth, Melb, Mallacoota, Araluen, Braidwood, Canberra, Adelaide Hills, Nullabor again and home to Perth no issues. Toed a camper van Melb Canberra, Melb sect. Rgds Ian A

[Grahame Roberts]

I would take mine anywhere, anytime.
Perhaps you should stop stressing, get prepared and start the adventure.
Whatever happens is part of the fun and if anything goes wrong, it’s great experience for the next adventure.
That’s why you bought your LR, after all. Right?
Best wishes on your journeys.

[DiscoMick]

You would be a brave man want to go to remote places buy a land cruiser you may get away with a Landrover a couple of times. but you can be sure it will let you downRubbish!

[DiscoJeffster]

Don’t fall for the troll

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[Tombie]

You would be a brave man want to go to remote places buy a land cruiser you may get away with a Landrover a couple of times. but you can be sure it will let you down

Woohoo legendary ****tard award goes to the Troll....

[Milton477]

Especially one who has no idea about punctuation or capitals.

[StewG]

Like Grahame R. I would take my D4 SDV6 anywhere reasonable. It has already been to Cape York tip and a number of other significantly corrugated areas. The worst encountered so far was on the private road to Wolf Creek Crater, W.A. At 191,000 km it still drives like new. With 19" rims Maxxis AT tyres have proven to be reliable, trouble free and rugged enough for the long hauls. I've just recently replaced them at 60,000 km for the same again, thank you. Keep up the insurance, roadside assistance, remote communications and drive to conditions and all will be well. Most of our rough road trips have been towing a 2.5 tonne home and have never needed to use low range. The D4 is a magnificent vehicle.

[DiscoMick]

Yes, remember mobiles don't work on much of the Cape and Telstra is the only network worth having.

[DiscoJeffster]

Yes, remember mobiles don't work on much of the Cape and Telstra is the only network worth having.

Tip. Boost Mobile are the Telstra Retail network so that’s an option

[Stiltz]

Awesome feedback from all (except the troll).

I have already done the bearings and the handbrake but i think i will do the alternator and turbo pipes now along with the Gap tool.

Really good to hear about roadside support success. Definitely a good safety blanket.

I invested in the new Pirelli scorpion plus. Really impressed on the road (especially the wet) and the sand. Also quiet. I am sticking with 19's and putting another tyre on the roof as a back up.

[vbrab]

Rubbish!
I have to echo DiscoMick's sentiment.
Having clocked up 498,000 K's in the D3, with 90% of it done either in remote Pilbara, Kimberlys, NT or Central Australia (using The Outback Highway).
The only two occasions the car has "failed to proceed" (and we still managed to "limp" it home over 250k's on both occasions).
First time was 200+k's out towards Marble Bar when the air pump failed (at the same time that I got a flat tyre), but we were still able to change tyre and drove back to Port Hedland.
Yes the car did need a re-alignment after that effort, but it got home.
The other occasion was most recently when the in tank pump failed, but we were still able to roll along at 70kph for 250k's on the injector pump pulling enough fuel to get us to Kalgoorlie.

Two weeks ago I had to drive 800k's of flooded and muddy "Great Outback Highway", full tank and 120 litres on roof with full load, and for the whole of that greasy, sodden track I was very glad that I was in Land Rover.
On exit, was told that the track had been closed just after we started on it. At times kilometres of the "highway" were flooded
I've had to do the Gibb River road/track in a 100 series Land Cruiser as it was copping a couple of inches of rain, but in similar conditions to above, had to fight the vehicle all the way.
I think the main reason I have been as fortunate with my remote vehicles is that I do pre-emptive maintenance, so that my vehicle can be taken anywhere at short notice.

[DiscoMick]

The Toyota propaganda is strong, but we Landy owners should not be intimidated.

Hilariously, my BIL's 80 series had numerous problems on his recent round Oz saga, and needed $5000 spent on a new suspension and other repairs in Darwin.
It also chews up outrageous amounts of fuel, particularly when towing and overloaded.
Mean while we just cruise along with him in the Defender, towing our equally heavy camper.
He particularly hates it when I mention having to change down when following him because he is struggling up steep hills, or leave him behind climbing hills. He also hates when I mention our 12 l/100 kms fuel economy when towing and 950km range, while he has to refuel in most towns.
I have had to curb my comments because of his sensitivity about the shortcomings of his 80, which makes me laugh.

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[trout1105]

The Toyota propaganda is strong, but we Landy owners should not be intimidated.

Hilariously, my BIL's 80 series had numerous problems on his recent round Oz saga, and needed $5000 spent on a new suspension and other repairs in Darwin.
It also chews up outrageous amounts of fuel, particularly when towing and overloaded.
Mean while we just cruise along with him in the Defender, towing our equally heavy camper.
He particularly hates it when I mention having to change down when following him because he is struggling up steep hills, or leave him behind climbing hills. He also hates when I mention our 12 l/100 kms fuel economy when towing and 950km range, while he has to refuel in most towns.
I have had to curb my comments because of his sensitivity about the shortcomings of his 80, which makes me laugh.

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The Equivalent Landcruiser product to your 2009 Defender would be a 2009 79 series and the ONLY thing that the Defender would be better at would be fuel economy by about 3-5 l/100k at best, load carrying capacity, Power wise, range wise and towing ability the 79 series absolutely Eats a 2009 Defender.
Comparing an early 1990 4WD with a 2009 model is a bit "Silly" really.

[DiscoMick]

I think they would be similar for towing (3500kg), payload (1044kg for the Defender) and range (ours has a 120 litre long range tank giving 950km range while towing our camper) vs the Toyota's 130 litre tank and I'm not sure about the real world fuel consumption and range of yours.
As you say the 79 would have more power, but the Defender is competitive on torque - 360Nm vs 430 for the Toyota - although ours has a Steinbauer chip which provides a boost of up to 20%, which could make them similar.
The Defender would be more economical - ours does 11.5 l/100 kms normally and 12 l/100 km when towing our camper.
The Defender would also be lighter and has a better suspension, I think.
Any way, we're off topic here.

[INter674]

Not to mention the cost difference re 79 v Defer and the design issues eg rear diff plus off road and on road stability..79 just luvs to fall over😎..seen it happen ..and get bogged☺

[ramblingboy42]

You would be a brave man want to go to remote places buy a land cruiser you may get away with a Landrover a couple of times. but you can be sure it will let you down

what is that smell????

[LRD414]

Please take the Defender/LC comparison elsewhere. A guy with a D4 started this thread for feedback on remote travel in his D4. A bit off topic is fine but come on.

Scott

[INter674]

No harm in considering options other than D4..as the thread is suggesting.

Me..I have one and would I trust it to go @ Aus..absolutely yes😆

Would I buy a 79s...hell no..I'm not a tradie for a start!!

Lighten up yawl....

[scarry]

I think they would be similar for towing (3500kg), payload (1044kg for the Defender) and range (ours has a 120 litre long range tank giving 950km range while towing our camper) vs the Toyota's 130 litre tank and I'm not sure about the real world fuel consumption and range of yours.
As you say the 79 would have more power, but the Defender is competitive on torque - 360Nm vs 430 for the Toyota - although ours has a Steinbauer chip which provides a boost of up to 20%, which could make them similar.
The Defender would be more economical - ours does 11.5 l/100 kms normally and 12 l/100 km when towing our camper.
The Defender would also be lighter and has a better suspension, I think.
Any way, we're off topic here.

Come on Mick,have you ever driven a late model 70 series,and compared it to your Defender,that by the way, is 'tuned'?
The engines are COMPLETELY different,forget what max torque/power figures are on paper,have a look at the torque/power curves.
There is actually no comparison between them.
One is a pleasure to drive as it has so much low down torque,where the other has virtually nothing until the revs are way up over 2K.

I have driven the Defender in my sig extensively,and a 76 series frequently,so have a good idea what they are like.
And actually,the 76 isn't too far behind the Deefer in fuel economy,considering it's engine isn't the size of a milk bottle[bighmmm]

Back to the D4,it actually hasn't been bad,a few issues,but nothing major so far.
The D4,and my old D2a are probably the most reliable of the LR's i have owned,so things are getting better,although the Deefer has been a nightmare with issues.

[trout1105]

what is that smell????

HeHe.
The Vast majority of times a 4WD will let you down is because it has been poorly serviced and maintained, This is Regardless of Brand.
I have Absolutely NO issues taking my 16 year old D2a ANYWHERE simply because I keep up the maintenance and don't flog the guts out of it.
There is Nothing wrong with most of the land rover 4WD's But there seems to be plenty wrong with heaps of the various owners of 4WD's, Regardless of the brand.

[Tombie]

Truth be told there’s nothing seriously wrong with most 4wds of any marque. Just pick the one that suits your purposes, budget and planned use and off you go.

Plenty of all makes and models out there doing their thing.

[jon3950]

Truth be told there’s nothing seriously wrong with most 4wds of any marque. Just pick the one that suits your purposes, budget and planned use and off you go.

Plenty of all makes and models out there doing there thing.

Ain’t that the truth.

All you need to do is drive them sensibly, don’t overload them and keep them well maintained.

Cheers,
Jon

[DiscoMick]

Come on Mick,have you ever driven a late model 70 series,and compared it to your Defender,that by the way, is 'tuned'?
The engines are COMPLETELY different,forget what max torque/power figures are on paper,have a look at the torque/power curves.
There is actually no comparison between them.
One is a pleasure to drive as it has so much low down torque,where the other has virtually nothing until the revs are way up over 2K.

I have driven the Defender in my sig extensively,and a 76 series frequently,so have a good idea what they are like.
And actually,the 76 isn't too far behind the Deefer in fuel economy,considering it's engine isn't the size of a milk bottle[bighmmm]

Back to the D4,it actually hasn't been bad,a few issues,but nothing major so far.
The D4,and my old D2a are probably the most reliable of the LR's i have owned,so things are getting better,although the Deefer has been a nightmare with issues.They are different and achieve the desired results in different ways.
It's the argument about big lazy engines vs smaller more efficient ones. Our Defender has plenty of torque low down and six gears help.
I didn't introduce the 79 to this thread, so for once I'm not guilty. [emoji3]
I wouldn't hesitate to take a D4 where the OP wants to go. Just service it and be careful about low profile tyres on the corrugations.

[Valiant barny]

Hello Landrover guys. I seem to have upset a few people with my remarks about the disco 4.
I'm sorry I was just making statement. I have owned 4 Landrover products and the whole 4 have cost me a lot of money the only one I should cross of the list was a 200tdi gutless but very good on fuel very rarely broke down. Range rover absolute nightmare. td5 disco broken head, auto, admit it has 300ks on it I still have 05 Def 130 twin cab it's cost me lot of money as well. New ashcroft R380 taller fifth gear, larger bearing, new clutch dual mas, it was in truck for 14months and failed. So I had it rebuilt 4grd the dual mas flywheel is starting its little shudder everything Ive had get serviced and not flogged I'm 65 and drive like a 65. But haven't stopped spending on the 130 I quite like the 130 so I'm in process of fitting Ls3 and 6L90 auto to it mild cam, forged con rods, heaver rockers,HSV estractors so far have spent 12 grand. Electric hand brake.,get rid of that stupid hand brake leaver I did have a V8 barn door cruiser 3"exhaust, remapped.Pull a roadtrain good on fuel still have nightmares about selling it. One thing Toyota does have over Landrover is build quality and reliability. Once vehicle is up and running in the next few weeks I will look into build quality interior, doors, water leaks, so on. I'm not totally against Landrover but do think for what you pay for doesn't quiet add up

[theelms66]

Hello Landrover guys. I seem to have upset a few people with my remarks about the disco 4.
I'm sorry I was just making statement. I have owned 4 Landrover products and the whole 4 have cost me a lot of money the only one I should cross of the list was a 200tdi gutless but very good on fuel very rarely broke down. Range rover absolute nightmare. td5 disco broken head, auto, admit it has 300ks on it I still have 05 Def 130 twin cab it's cost me lot of money as well. New ashcroft R380 taller fifth gear, larger bearing, new clutch dual mas, it was in truck for 14months and failed. So I had it rebuilt 4grd the dual mas flywheel is starting its little shudder everything Ive had get serviced and not flogged I'm 65 and drive like a 65. But haven't stopped spending on the 130 I quite like the 130 so I'm in process of fitting Ls3 and 6L90 auto to it mild cam, forged con rods, heaver rockers,HSV estractors so far have spent 12 grand. Electric hand brake.,get rid of that stupid hand brake leaver I did have a V8 barn door cruiser 3"exhaust, remapped.Pull a roadtrain good on fuel still have nightmares about selling it. One thing Toyota does have over Landrover is build quality and reliability. Once vehicle is up and running in the next few weeks I will look into build quality interior, doors, water leaks, so on. I'm not totally against Landrover but do think for what you pay for doesn't quiet add upMmm. Can't work some people out . Owned 4 LR dont like them spent bucket loads of money unreliable etc etc . Sold a LC still having nightmares and you've gone and spent 12k + on putting a v8 in a LR . I think one of us needs professional help. !

[Valiant barny]

End of story. Seems bit much for you to take in. Just trying to explain what it cost over the years with Landrover. I'm trying to build something that pulls and is reliable 6.2 against 2.5 as stated I like the 130 so I'm going to turn it into a proper truck a new vehicle is probably 50 to 60 grand I will spend around 20 when finished and have a better thing

[trout1105]

Mmm. Can't work some people out . Owned 4 LR dont like them spent bucket loads of money unreliable etc etc . Sold a LC still having nightmares and you've gone and spent 12k + on putting a v8 in a LR . I think one of us needs professional help. !

I have spent over $20,000 on my D2a over the last few years, Which does sound a bit 'Stupid" for a 4WD that is only worth $7,000/$9,000.
Why have I done this?

1/ I really enjoy driving the D2a V8.[thumbsupbig]
2/ Now that I have spent all this money I now have a VERY reliable D2a.[bigrolf]
3/ Simply Because I could[biggrin]

Over the last few years I have only spent $380 on my 79 series V8[bigwhistle]

[Stiltz]

Interesting comments @trout1105 and @Valiant barny. Context was definitely needed to understand your opinion so thank you for the additional comments. I look forward to watching the build!

From the comments i will take the chance but sink a bit more into planned preventative maintenance before heading off.

I get the comparisons mentioned but realistically Mrs Stiltz is being stretched to agree to glamping(campervan) so the thought of her driving a ute missing out on our current comforts is unlikely. However my boys would love it!

[Valiant barny]

theelms66 mate I never stated I don't like Landrover just saying what's happend to me over the years with them. I do like Landrover I obviously have had a few over years with a bit of bad luck I guess. And as far as the bucket loads of cash goes it's bit like trout 1105 stated because I can
Cheers have good day

[Tombie]

theelms66 mate I never stated I don't like Landrover just saying what's happend to me over the years with them. I do like Landrover I obviously have had a few over years with a bit of bad luck I guess. And as far as the bucket loads of cash goes it's bit like trout 1105 stated because I can
Cheers have good day

Do you own a D4 though? Compared to earlier offerings they’re like night and day.

[Tombie]

I have spent over $20,000 on my D2a over the last few years, Which does sound a bit 'Stupid" for a 4WD that is only worth $7,000/$9,000.
Why have I done this?

1/ I really enjoy driving the D2a V8.[thumbsupbig]
2/ Now that I have spent all this money I now have a VERY reliable D2a.[bigrolf]
3/ Simply Because I could[biggrin]

Over the last few years I have only spent $380 on my 79 series V8[bigwhistle]

Aside from $500 for an alternator - and I drive a lot of high power accessories so expect it to be working harder - I’ve replaced one hose incorrectly fitted by a dealer $35 and done nothing else but services on my D4.

Mines used off-road more than road....

[Stiltz]

I took advantage of the quiet time and got the secondary turbo drain sorted. Unfortunately the off roading has taken its toll on the front bearings and the lower steering shaft uni joint (note to others to lubricate).

Hopefully not more big expenses for a while...

[Tombie]

I took advantage of the quiet time and got the secondary turbo drain sorted. Unfortunately the off roading has taken its toll on the front bearings and the lower steering shaft uni joint (note to others to lubricate).

Hopefully not more big expenses for a while...

Don’t feel too bad - you’re using it for purpose so it will always take a bit more.

Mates just had the suspension bushes, links etc on his Prado replaced again (3rd time in 360k).
He’s now on transmission 3. Alternator 2. Steerings been replaced twice. Welded the front chassis points 6 times (cracks from bullbar up front) and 2 AC compressors.

It does about 140km of dirt a day.

[PerthDisco]

I took advantage of the quiet time and got the secondary turbo drain sorted. Unfortunately the off roading has taken its toll on the front bearings and the lower steering shaft uni joint (note to others to lubricate).

Hopefully not more big expenses for a while...

Can you guide with a picture or instructions how to correctly lubricate in which spot with what product? Thanks

[Stiltz]

I'm definitely not a mechanic so I can't advise on the best method to lubricate however I can tell you the the lower uni joint is located just in front of the axle on the drivers side. From underneath it's easy to see and a slight challenge to access.