Don't buy a Land Rover in 2020 (& here's why)

[p38arover]

You might want to search YouTube for this video Don't buy a Land Rover in 2020 (& here's why)
I won't link it as it has the usual John Cadogen language.

[Eevo]

does anyone actually listen to him?

[Ancient Mariner]

You might want to search YouTube for this video Don't buy a Land Rover in 2020 (& here's why)
I won't link it as it has the usual John Cadogen language.. an[bighmmm]

[Tombie]

Total ****wit that bloke.

I remember once where he opened his mouth a bit too much and somebody out with him at the time - closed it for him.

Seems to need it to happen again.

[trout1105]

does anyone actually listen to him?

I got to about 20 seconds into the vid and shut it down, What a Tosser and he has one of the most annoying voices I have ever heard [tonguewink]

[p38arover]

one of the most annoying voices I have ever heard [tonguewink]

Don't try watching Scotty Kilmer - his videos are shockers - visually and aurally.

[Red90]

What happened to the first thread on this?

[p38arover]

What first thread? I did a search before posting but didn't find anything.

[101RRS]

What first thread? I did a search before posting but didn't find anything.

Gone now Green Oval Wrap (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/276583-green-oval-wrap.html)

[ramblingboy42]

I don't watch those links.

But seriously why would you buy a Land Rover as your primary transport?

I have done and fully understand it as a secondary purpose vehicle, but I don't listen to any ****, that's why many here on this forum are on my **** list aka ignore.

I seek information.

[trout1105]

But seriously why would you buy a Land Rover as your primary transport?

Why Not, My D2a has been my #1 drive for the last 4 years because quite simply I Enjoy driving it. [thumbsupbig]

[Tombie]

All my Land Rovers have been my primary daily drive (excluding Motorcycles and work vehicles).

In our household there isn’t a choice of a non-Landy. All of them have been inherently reliable, more so than several of the alternative vehicles we once owned.

It’s all a matter of looking after them, and that applies to all vehicles.

[workingonit]

D1/D2 are daily drives for me and adult kids.

After the wife's 'real' daily drive, a Toyota Corolla, broke down she took to driving a Disco for a while. She's bought another 2nd hand Corolla but says the command position is no where as good as the Disco. The birds routinely crap all over the 'new' Corolla - don't get light silver colour.

Funny thing, the mechanic who looked after her original Corolla found out that I was thinking of phasing out her Corolla for a Disco. The mechanic remarked why would you swap the worlds most reliable car (Corolla) for the worlds most unreliable (D1)...a year later after that remark RIP the Corolla.

[rar110]

John Cadogen is an entertainer promoting his own product. He’s a little over animated in that episode. But I get one of his points, that JLR shouldn’t unconditionally market that their product only needs an oil change every 2 years or 34,000km when foreseeably most of the use will be urban resulting in frequent DPF burns and oil dilution.

[PhilipA]

Tis whole issue stems from the method that LR uses to regenerate the DPF.

I saw an excellent YouTube video some time ago which explained the different methods.
Briefly GM has patented a method using an extra injector on the DPF to regenerate it.

This of course completely sidesteps the oil dilution problem. I also noted on another video that the GM truck DPFs as used in school buses etc are able to be dismantled and cleaned.

I wondered at the time why LR is using what I think is a far inferior method and can only guess that they would have to pay royalties, or just that the engineers are pig headed.

regards PhilipA

[goingbush]

I don't need John Cadogan to tell me not to buy a new LandRover in 2020.

[Red90]

If you do not believe the video, read this thread: INGENIUM 2.0 DIESEL OIL ANALYSIS RESULTS - Discovery Sport Forums (https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6132)

That is the worst oil analysis by a huge margin, I have ever seen. I would not touch one of these engines.

[ozscott]

Codogan is hitting an issue hard here. Per normal. Surely LR could sort this with a software update. Is it an issue?

Google John Cadogan Don't buy a Land Rover in 2020. You will readily find his video about alleged DPF issues. As per normal he swears a lot and it isn't fit for young children or adults sensitive to such words and phrases.


Cheers

[incisor]

Cadogan is hitting an issue hard here. Per normal. Surely LR could sort this with a software update. Is it an issue?

Cheers

gold

with the usual language / bad taste warnings...

[Tombie]

gold

with the usual language / bad taste warnings...

Surely in line with the consistency rules this link needs to be removed [emoji48][emoji56]

[ozscott]

Surely in line with the consistency rules this link needs to be removed [emoji48][emoji56]I fixed it Mike. Because I wasn't doing the swearing I didn't think twice, especially given we are adults. It's an issue where if he is correct, it's an issue that members need to be aware of. But yes he swears like a trooper. Funny in smaller doses too and he does get his message across.

Cheers

[p38arover]

Threads merged.


I fixed it Mike. Because I wasn't doing the swearing I didn't think twice, especially given we are adults.

Not all of us like foul language - I certainly don't.

[DiscoMick]

If he was serious he would do a piece about how our low fuel standards are causing problems for all car brands, not just Toyota, and contributing to about 1700 respiratory deaths a year, but this won't be fixed before July 1, 2027, which is when the federal government has delayed our move to the best practice international fuel standards.
But he's just a foul-mouthed entertainer...

[shanegtr]

does anyone actually listen to him?
I do[biggrin] I actually dont mind his style of presentation too much - the swearing dosent bother me, I hear and use worse language at work. [bighmmm]

[ozscott]

Threads merged.



Not all of us like foul language - I certainly don't.I understand. But no one has to watch it. If you don't know him and start and hear a word that is offensive you can turn it off.

Cheers

[ozscott]

If you do not believe the video, read this thread: INGENIUM 2.0 DIESEL OIL ANALYSIS RESULTS - Discovery Sport Forums (https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6132)

That is the worst oil analysis by a huge margin, I have ever seen. I would not touch one of these engines.Someone found Cadogan's video entertaining on that thread. 380 pages on the discussion thread about oil dilution and shorter service intervals due to it. Seems like this is an issue. Good to see JC getting stuck in. Cheers.

[Tombie]

No need to reward being a total ****** though.
He could easily get his message across without being a total feral.

Just an angry little useless man that does nothing but put down everything whilst attempting nothing. He contributes nothing but carbon emissions.

[p38arover]

Generally, I like his videos. I think many of those who complain about him don't have his knowledge.

Of course, we all get offended when he's negative about something we like or drive. That's quite normal. But if you think about it, he's probably right.

We know JLRA doesn't have a good reputation for customer satisfaction - I've only had one dealing with them and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Unfortunately, we don't have a LR customer service rep on the forum - unlike the FullFatRR forum.

[Homestar]

I like most of his videos. Like his style or not he does actually understand the material he discusses which is a lot more than can be said for most motoring Journalists these days.

[barney]

I saw this video last week. I like his one on jeeps, although it was mostly about 2 or 3 horror stories, he pretty-well tarred the whole brand with the same brush.
He is making generalisations about land Rovers based on a few bad experiences from service centres on a particular model. Considering the new defender is coming here this year, it is a pretty broad claim to state that all Land Rovers in 2020 will be rubbish.
At best this guy can be mildly entertaining, mostly though, he is fairly annoying. I think he is the only one who considers him and "expert" on anything.

[mike7]

I gotta say I don’t mind watching his videos either, he seems to be a pretty smart guy, especially when you read all the biased ad revenue driven reviews and commentary from other journalists.

My one and only dealing with JLRA when I had an issue was an absolute shocker that too over a year to try and fix and I eventually gave up.

As expensive as it was to use my D4 as a daily drive I absolutely love this car.

[ozscott]

I saw this video last week. I like his one on jeeps, although it was mostly about 2 or 3 horror stories, he pretty-well tarred the whole brand with the same brush.
He is making generalisations about land Rovers based on a few bad experiences from service centres on a particular model. Considering the new defender is coming here this year, it is a pretty broad claim to state that all Land Rovers in 2020 will be rubbish.
At best this guy can be mildly entertaining, mostly though, he is fairly annoying. I think he is the only one who considers him and "expert" on anything.He's an automotive engineer with a lot of experience in the car industry. I think anything he says should be listened to at least especially as against many motoring journalists who are not so qualified and who don't see vehicles and hear from owners after at most a 'long term' 1 year test and where most 'testing' is 1 day to a week. Cheers

[DiscoMick]

He likes Mazdas, which is a point in his favour I reckon, as I like Mazdas too.
Our Mazda was serviced yesterday and Mazda agreed to fix something for free which wasn't covered by warranty, so you can't complain about that. Plus we got free complimentary breakfasts!
[emoji3]

[ozscott]

He likes Mazdas, which is a point in his favour I reckon, as I like Mazdas too.
Our Mazda was serviced yesterday and Mazda agreed to fix something for free which wasn't covered by warranty, so you can't complain about that. Plus we got free complimentary breakfasts!
[emoji3]He likes Triton since the MQ also and for good reason. Interestingly and through little influence by John I have a Mazda 3 and an MR Triton. It just so happens he rates both very highly. The fact that he does so though advances his credentials with me in terms of what is a good vehicle. And I take his point about Land Rover. I love them with my heart and not my head. He is always about the head so I can well understand his position.

Cheers

[p38arover]

Plus we got free complimentary breakfasts!
[emoji3]

A friend of ours said the same after she had her Triton serviced recently. She was quite pleased until we said "Your $900 service paid for the breakfast."

[ozscott]

A friend of ours said the same after she had her Triton serviced recently. She was quite pleased until we said "Your $900 service paid for the breakfast."Haha. Yep, you don't get nothing for nothing as the saying goes.

I have several years free servicing on my Triton (for the 15,000k intervals). Call me prudent or old fashioned but I am paying the dealer $299 a hit for intermediates at half the intervals. I don't trust oil for 15,000k especially in DPF regen motors even DPF systems as well sorted as Mitsubishi have.

Cheers

[DiscoMick]

Haha. Yep, you don't get nothing for nothing as the saying goes.

I have several years free servicing on my Triton (for the 15,000k intervals). Call me prudent or old fashioned but I am paying the dealer $299 a hit for intermediates at half the intervals. I don't trust oil for 15,000k especially in DPF regen motors even DPF systems as well sorted as Mitsubishi have.

CheersOur Mazda has 10,000 km or six month services, fixed price at about $300 (varies slightly between A and B services).
We extended the three year warranty to five years. All servicing has been done at the selling dealer.
At last week's service they under warranty replaced both rear seat belt tensioners, which weren't fully retracting, and also replaced a guard on a front steering bush, which was knocking on full lock.
Otherwise, at 70,000 kms, all it has needed was new tyres at 60,000 kms.
So the quality is great.
And we got free breakfast while we waited. [emoji41]

[scarry]

Our Mazda has 10,000 km or six month services, fixed price at about $300 (varies slightly between A and B services).
We extended the three year warranty to five years. All servicing has been done at the selling dealer.
At last week's service they under warranty replaced both rear seat belt tensioners, which weren't fully retracting, and also replaced a guard on a front steering bush, which was knocking on full lock.
Otherwise, at 70,000 kms, all it has needed was new tyres at 60,000 kms.
So the quality is great.
And we got free breakfast while we waited. [emoji41]

We have both Mazda and Toyota,company vehicles,both serviced at the dealers,have for years.

The Mazda rates are always higher than the Toyota rates,for everything,labour,oil,sundries,filters,whatever.
And by quite a margin,particularly their labour rates.Oils are exactly the same type at the two dealers,prices per litre way more for Mazda.
Both dealerships have the same owner,and i have mentioned the price issue to Mazda,but they don't really care.
The Toyota part of the dealership are also way more helpful.

[DiscoMick]

Yes, we had a Yaris before as a runabout and the service costs were lower, but the 2 is a much better car.

[barney]

He's an automotive engineer with a lot of experience in the car industry. I think anything he says should be listened to at least especially as against many motoring journalists who are not so qualified and who don't see vehicles and hear from owners after at most a 'long term' 1 year test and where most 'testing' is 1 day to a week. Cheers

Fair enough, but chances are he only hears the complaints and not anything good from the happy customers. People are more likely to complain because they want to vent to anyone that will listen. Happy customers will tell their friends in a subtle form of bragging and to reinforce the notion that they have made the right choice, but often wont go out of their way to tell a complete stranger.
As far as being and automotive engineer, therefore an expert, well that doesn't really wash with me. There are plenty of engineers in many fields that would not be considered "experts" i concede he has been around for a while in the industry and does have a fair bit of knowledge, but to be an expert on every car is a big claim. I've only met one person who I would attribute that title to, and that was Peter Wherret.
Aside from the cross-dressing remarks that are bound to come out, he was such a knowledgeable man, the likes of which i have never seen since. I could explain my reasoning for this, but it's knock off time and I need to go.

[p38arover]

Fair enough, but chances are he only hears the complaints and not anything good from the happy customers.

Hey, much like a forum. [bigwhistle]