High kms L322

[Takb]

Thoughts on a 210,000 kms 2011 L322 TDV8?

It's had continuous service history but at Land Rover recommended intervals unfortunately (20k - 30k between services). Same dealer and same (LR specialized) indie for services. So there's consistency.

Guessing its done considerable highway driving given the considerable annual distance.



kms
difference
Serviced by
Service date
months between service
Distance PA


0

Bought new
25/2/2011




23223
23223
Dealer
29/8/2012
18
15482


64152
40929
Dealer
2/9/2014
24
20465


81673
17521
Dealer
30/6/2015
9
23361


101713
20040
Indie
31/08/2016
14
17177


123705
21992
Indie
7/6/2017
10
26390


156425
32720
Indie
13/07/2018
13
30203


176534
20109
Indie
5/3/2019
8
30164


209161
32627
Listed For sale
31/1/2020
10
39152

[Homestar]

The 40KKM between services would worry me personally. 210KKM I wouldn’t consider high for that year - my 2016 Hilux is not much shy of that now.

[Takb]

Actually there's a strong chance I'm just missing a page of the service history that breaks that early 40,000 kms into 2 x 20,000. Then the history looks regular. I'll confirm that tomorrow.

[rar110]

I wouldn’t be too concerned about the impact on the motor. Like you say it’s probably done lots of hw km. Also people don’t generally buy these sorts of cars to abuse them.

[justinc]

Neglect is abuse... I have a 170k example here that has NEVER had the transmission, transfer case or diff oils changed... 🤬🤬🤬

[rar110]

AFAIK JLR still don’t have a service interval on the ZF transmission.

[Takb]

I had a specialist indie do a pre-purchase inspection on the vehicle today. Unfortunately there's about $10k of work to do on it. And while they didn't want to completely discount the vehicle, they didn't really recommend it due to the overdue maintenance.

Such a shame as this is an Autobiography with all the bells a whistles: Rear ediff, surround cameras, rear TV's, retracting side steps, adaptive headlights, dual view front screen - for $40k. There are a few body scrapes and it needs some serious TLC and a detail. N
ot well maintained (hard to see that in the photos).


https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2011-land-rover-range-rover-vogue-tdv8-autobiography-auto-4x4-my11/OAG-AD-18408008/

A "bargain" Range Rover (there isn't such a thing right?)

Issues:
- likely never had a transmission flush - $850 (or possibly $2200 if needs a new pan and filter apparently??)
- large leak from engine. Needs degrease and reinspection/diagnosis - $?
- Overdue for timing belts - $2500
- Needs new brakes and rotors (1mm left on front, 3 rear) plus a B service (way overdue) - $2200
- transfer case is damp and may have leak starting - $?
- rear of front control arm bushing badly worn - $1650
- front wiper washers not fully spraying, rears don't work at all,
needs new wiper blades
- globe blown, brake fluid low, engine oil a little low, start button broken, seat belts retract slowly

I could probably go back and ask for more off, but of course always concerned that the engine dies and needs a new one. Then it's not such a bargain.

Still, it drives nicely. Definitely looking at the right vehicle to get! 4.4 TDV8 with 8sp gearbox on an air suspension body wrapped in opulent leather is the bomb...if you keep the maintenance up!

[justinc]

There are NO timing belts on a 4.4tdv8... also, the 8 spd pan filter and oil is Wayyy cheaper than 2500$ !!!!. The oil leak is likely to be the o rings at the pipe at the back of the cooler that supplies turbochargers, not hard to get to. The 10k could be whittled down a fair bit!!

[theelms66]

- front wiper washers not fully spraying, rears don't work at all, needs new wiper blades

- globe blown, brake fluid low, engine oil a little low, start button broken, seat belts retract slowly


Wish that was all I had to worry about.
No monetary costs in those fixes. At least your indie was thorough. But brake fluid low is because your pads are worn Yes.
Engine oil a little low , cause you're got an oil leak. Seat belts retract slow because they are dirty.

[2nd Rower]

- likely never had a transmission flush - $850 (or possibly $2200 if needs a new pan and filter apparently??)
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Somewhat agree with the theme of the responses so far in terms of some of the estimates from your indie.....IIRC I paid just about $1k for Transmission oil change and new pan/filter from a ZF Specialist (IMHO the best in Vic) when I acquired my 3.6 TDV8 in 2017. Different gearbox I know, but struggle to see the justification for that much of a cost difference.

[Takb]

Thanks so much for the feedback everyone. Perhaps there is a path forward here after all (especially if I had the maintenance items done before the sale).

“ There are NO timing belts on a 4.4tdv8” - this was just something that the service front desk guy said at the end. So he’s likely wrong and thinking of a different engine (was not on the report).
Is there something major that’s supposed to be done to the engine around the 180,000 km mark?

ORings seem like a logical place for the leak. I’ve seen that mentioned many times.

[BPMP_Vogue]

$1650 for LCA bushes is about 1000 more than they should be

[Old Farang]

Thanks so much for the feedback everyone. Perhaps there is a path forward here after all (especially if I had the maintenance items done before the sale).
Treat yourself is my opinion! What a beautiful machine. Just allow for a bit of initial expense above the selling price and go for it!

[Grumbles]

An over the top highly priced quote for needed repairs is a wonderful bargaining point when negotiating a buying price on a used car. What a gift.....

That is certainly one impressive car. It looks magnificent.

[Takb]

The hardest decision I have is between this autobiography requiring maintenance and 209,000 kms at $39,888 (seller Isn’t interested in paying for any of the maintenance items. Only what makes it roadworthy. I’ve spent the afternoon trying to negotiate after asking for the items to be done then walking back from that) vs a base model Vogue same year with 145,000 for $48,999.

You have been blocked (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2011-Land-Rover-Range-Rover-Vogue-TDV8-Auto-4x4-MY11/OAG-AD-18284092)

In pics, the lower kms one is clearly a cleaner vehicle (and It also has good maintenance records - mostly done at 25k intervals except last one at 30k). Even though it has fancy 22” rims, I do want to take this on the beach and 4wding so would need to go purchase a set of rims and tires for that. So more expense.

Agh been tearing myself up over this decision. 65,000 kms difference, and $9k price difference. But maintenance items required (yeah I can see I need to shop around for things like the control arms. DIYable?).

But it’s an autobiography...

What would you do?

Kinda hoping one will sell so the decision is made for me :-)

[Grumbles]

But it’s an autobiography...

What would you do?


I believe it all comes down to this. Emotion says buy but logic says walk.

Me? I'd walk.

[Eevo]

But it’s an autobiography...


no, its a poorly maintained autobiography.
unless your rich, let some other sucker buy it.

[Takb]

no, its a poorly maintained autobiography.
unless your rich, let some other sucker buy it.

Thank you. Unfortunately this is what it is. I have to pass. Keep looking.

[Laurie]

Given the repairer quoted for the replacement of non-existent timing belts ??? If you do like the car; I would get another independent inspection done, just for peace of mind [thumbsupbig]

Laurie

[Laurie]

Hey Takb
I notice the Autobiography has gone ! Did you end up buying it ?

Laurie

[Takb]

Hey Takb
I notice the Autobiography has gone ! Did you end up buying it ?

Laurie

Yeah I did. [bigsmile][bigwhistle]

I thought about it (a lot) more and while the latest service is well overdue, it’s only been 10 months since the previous service and they were actually quite regular with servicing. Plus really, they were only maintenance items that needed doing. The indie noted this as well. The vehicle is cosmetically tired but nothing I can’t fix with some eBay parts (key fob, start button, drink holder sliding lid) and elbow grease. Needs a damn good interior clean too.

Also after initially scoffing at fixing the items for the reduced price I offered, the dealer came back today and offered to replace the lower control arms (since that’s a safety/roadworthy item) for my offer price. So I couldn’t refuse. They needed it gone and I wanted an L322 4.4 TDV8.

I figure I’ve got a $12k buffer to what I was contemplating paying for a more pristine example (which was a base model). Provided nothing catastrophic occurs, and I do a few things like the brakes and rotors myself, I should be well ahead.

I guess time will tell if I’m a complete fool or I got a bargain.

Regardless, I’m super excited to finally join the club and own a “real” Range Rover!

I’ve just moved back to Australia from living in the US for 8 years. Since cars and fuel are much cheaper over there, I took the opportunity to own a 2013 RRS Supercharged. Such an amazing vehicle I just had to go back to Land Rover when I returned to OZ. I WAS going to get a Disco, but then realized that I could actually get an L322 for about the same money. And a few helpful people here helped push this direction (ie no comparison between the two).

so...wish me luck!

step 1. Schedule a “B” service
step 2. Schedule a drivetrain fluid flush - gearbox, diffs, transfer case.
step 3. Shake my head and think “did I really just do that?!”

[bikeman]

Congratulations. I have just recently became engaged to an 07 TDV8 Luxury, 3.6. An absolutely amazing machine. Like you I bargained the price down to a point where I have a margin for repairs as required. You will love it.

[Laurie]

Well done Takb, at least you have gone into it with your eyes open [thumbsupbig].

It may even pay to have it professionally detailed when you have finished the mechanical and small part replacements; eg ceramic polish [biggrin],

It does have all the fruit and will look a treat when finished, hope it's all smiles from here

Laurie

[justinc]

Awesome model Rangie, well done! . Ask as many questions as you like, we love these vehicles!!

[Takb]

Thanks all. I can’t wait to pick it up.

A proper professional detail is definitely high on the list of first things.

Looks like I’ll be lurking here and asking questions a lot more [bigsmile1]

in fact off to post my first question about towing electrics...

[Takb]

Thought I’d post an update. Finally picked up the vehicle about 2 weeks ago. So far really happy. After a decent clean (I spent hours on the first weekend doing a good interior detail) it’s come up a treat. Much better nick than I remembered when I first test drove it. Clearly this car has only done highway miles. The underbody is pristine.

As soon as I got it I booked it in for a B service (which included front and rear diff fluids) and checkover with my indie. That all went well. Did a smoke test on the intake and no leaks. He recommended a few (Costly) items after which he thinks it’ll be good for a long time with just regular maintenance.

- original gearbox pan so needs fluid and filter.
- transfer case weaping and dirty oil so needs a seal and fluid change
- did degrease and waiting for recheck on engine leak but looks like rear main seal and sump. Big job unfortunately. If that’s the issue rather than typical oil cooler washers then will need gearbox out and will do everything together.
- idler gears and belts need replacing
- brakes and rotors, which I knew and can do myself

So not much different to what I expected. Perhaps not as bad except for the leak. But that’s fixable and then should be good.

I did have one other issue pop up - kept getting suspension fault messages on rough road or under hard acceleration and car dropping to bump stops. Very offputting. Indie cleaned all electrical connections and fixed a broken clip but kept doing it. After a few days of forum trolling with the error code, I ended up concluding the suspension needed recalibration. So did that with the IID tool and the error went away! Plus the car rode a little smoother afterwards. So glad that was a simple fix although tricky to figure out (No leaks at least). might have been yet another reason I got the car for such a good price. Front left air strut was replaced at some point by previous owner which was the corner that was way out or calibration. So guessing parts got replaced without a recal. Previous owner must have been plagued with the errors.

So far I’m immensely impressed. Just did a 2 hr run up to Taree and it was a dream. Everything is smooth, effortless and comfortable. Did a little sand off roading this weekend and worked perfectly.

very happy camper (At least will be after the short term fixes are done).

[Graeme]

A revised engine rear main seal was introduced at VIN BA343771.

[DazzaTD5]

Awesome model Rangie, well done! . Ask as many questions as you like, we love these vehicles!!

After recently doing a few of the 3.6 TDV8 and after tuning them, a 4.4 would be awesome!

[justinc]

After recently doing a few of the 3.6 TDV8 and after tuning them, a 4.4 would be awesome!

Dazza, you have to drive one...❤❤

[Takb]

A revised engine rear main seal was introduced at VIN BA343771.

Right. And mine is BA33.... Good info. Guess this is likely the leak issue.


Dazza, you have to drive one...❤❤

Yes he does! The 4.4 is so smooth. It sounds like a diesel at idle and down low, but as the revs build, the character changes completely. Up higher it sounds amazing. And the 700nm feels brilliant.

[justinc]

Right. And mine is BA33.... Good info. Guess this is likely the leak issue.



Yes he does! The 4.4 is so smooth. It sounds like a diesel at idle and down low, but as the revs build, the character changes completely. Up higher it sounds amazing. And the 700nm feels brilliant.


Just wait until you are pulling a decent load, up a hill. A spine tingling V8 note...❤❤

[Roverlord off road spares]

- front wiper washers not fully spraying, rears don't work at all, needs new wiper blades

- globe blown, brake fluid low, engine oil a little low, start button broken, seat belts retract slowly


Wish that was all I had to worry about.
No monetary costs in those fixes. At least your indie was thorough. But brake fluid low is because your pads are worn Yes.
Engine oil a little low , cause you're got an oil leak. Seat belts retract slow because they are dirty.

Seat belts retract slow because they are dirty yep wash belts with water and mild detergent, when dry a light spray with aerosol silicon spray and they with retract like new.

[Roverlord off road spares]

The hardest decision I have is between this autobiography requiring maintenance and 209,000 kms at $39,888 (seller Isn’t interested in paying for any of the maintenance items. Only what makes it roadworthy. I’ve spent the afternoon trying to negotiate after asking for the items to be done then walking back from that) vs a base model Vogue same year with 145,000 for $48,999.

You have been blocked (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2011-Land-Rover-Range-Rover-Vogue-TDV8-Auto-4x4-MY11/OAG-AD-18284092)

In pics, the lower kms one is clearly a cleaner vehicle (and It also has good maintenance records - mostly done at 25k intervals except last one at 30k). Even though it has fancy 22” rims, I do want to take this on the beach and 4wding so would need to go purchase a set of rims and tires for that. So more expense.

Agh been tearing myself up over this decision. 65,000 kms difference, and $9k price difference. But maintenance items required (yeah I can see I need to shop around for things like the control arms. DIYable?).

But it’s an autobiography...

What would you do?

Kinda hoping one will sell so the decision is made for me :-)


LOL Milton at Highbury is a very hard man to negotiate with , he sticks to his guns, don' t dare ask for a discount. I know as I bought 2 cars from him

[Takb]

LOL Milton at Highbury is a very hard man to negotiate with , he sticks to his guns, don' t dare ask for a discount. I know as I bought 2 cars from him

Lol. Yeah that’s him :-).

I’m still working on a refund for an independent inspection that never happened.

[Takb]

Seat belts retract slow because they are dirty yep wash belts with water and mild detergent, when dry a light spray with aerosol silicon spray and they with retract like new.

Ah, thank you. I’ll give this a try.

[rar110]

LOL Milton at Highbury is a very hard man to negotiate with , he sticks to his guns, don' t dare ask for a discount. I know as I bought 2 cars from him

I must have struck Milton on a good day when I bought my L322. I made him an offer when buying my car and accepted. Cheapest tdv8 L322 in Oz at that time, and he had spent a couple of Gs in it before putting it up.

[Roverlord off road spares]

I must have struck Milton on a good day when I bought my L322. I made him an offer when buying my car and accepted. Cheapest tdv8 L322 in Oz at that time, and he had spent a couple of Gs in it before putting it up.

When I bought mine a 2003 3.0 ltre diesel he told me the sump on the ZF auto pan had been upgraded . I mentioned to him they have the GM trans not the Zf , but he instisted LOL.

[rrturboD]

Thrill for this afternoon:

[Graeme]

Not a milestone but caught yesterday.

[justinc]

Not a milestone but caught yesterday.

Graeme, how come you get the kmh readout in digits on your Speedo? Is it configurable? Or is it because mine is only the poverty pack Vogue?

[Graeme]

Its a CCF option that I set using my IIDTool.

• Digital Speed Display
• Digital Speed Units Km/h

[vk5cp]

Damm - that post just cost me a firtune (IID BT tool ordered). BTW the front brake pads I ordered less than 24 hours ago just turned up - get what I will be doing this afternoon in isolation.


Its a CCF option that I set using my IIDTool.

• Digital Speed Display
• Digital Speed Units Km/h