737-800 runway overrun Turkey.

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Not pretty:


https://youtu.be/FTdTu2BHius

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https://youtu.be/XReQNKbIkdw

[Hugh Jars]

A tailwind close to max certified, wet (probably contaminated) runway? Then ignoring SOPs and continuing with a long (and probably unstable) landing?

It was always going to end badly.

I liked the piece on low-cost, foreign carriers. Nail on the head. But people will almost always go for the fare that saves them $10...

[rick130]

It could happen here too, quite easily.
Only four years ago came in too high and too hot at Maroochydore in one of the majors.
One abort and go around, the next attempt we landed but still a bit too hot and we ended up at the end of the strip past the threshold lines before turning around. [emoji50]
I think it might been his first time in there?

[JDNSW]

A couple of relevant experiences - in PNG nearly fifty years ago I had to make a precautionary landing due to weather at a small airstrip I had never seen before. Their windsock had blown away, and during the approach it became clear that my guess as to wind direction was wrong, so I went round, and tried again from the other end, landing just before the rain arrived. That was in a Cessna 180.

The second one was in a Grumman AA-5, flying from Lilydale in Melbourne to here when it dropped a valve - and I made a straight in, downwind landing at Wagga. Fortunately the runway there is way longer than needed.

Even with this limited experience of downwind landings, I have problems as to why he (and the other pilot) continued the approach when it must have been obvious it was really going to end badly. Is there something else we don't know? Perhaps a company policy, maybe unspoken, that said "don't do go-rounds or it will be on your record?"

[Hugh Jars]

It could happen here too, quite easily.
Only four years ago came in too high and too hot at Maroochydore in one of the majors.
One abort and go around, the next attempt we landed but still a bit too hot and we ended up at the end of the strip past the threshold lines before turning around. [emoji50]
I think it might been his first time in there?
Jets have to turn at the runway ends only to backtrack, as Maroochy is a 30m wide runway, and the taxiway configuration almost always requires a backtrack on the runway.
How a passenger in the cabin can tell the aircraft was ‘hot’ is quite amusing. If the crew was not within +10/-5kt of the target approach speed at 1000’ (about 3 miles from touchdown), then they must go-around. That’s part of company policy by all airlines, and non-compliance is monitored/reported via the Quick Access Recorder. There’s no hiding it.

John R.

[rick130]

Jets have to turn at the runway ends only to backtrack, as Maroochy is a 30m wide runway, and the taxiway configuration almost always requires a backtrack on the runway.
How a passenger in the cabin can tell the aircraft was ‘hot’ is quite amusing. If the crew was not within +10/-5kt of the target approach speed at 1000’ (about 3 miles from touchdown), then they must go-around. That’s part of company policy by all airlines, and non-compliance is monitored/reported via the Quick Access Recorder. There’s no hiding it.

John R.

Fair enough, I've barely flown tiddlers in the dim past but the bloke beside with his family was a pilot with a current rating and he felt it'd been a bit too quick for that strip.

[Hugh Jars]

Fair enough, I've barely flown tiddlers in the dim past but the bloke beside with his family was a pilot with a current rating and he felt it'd been a bit too quick for that strip.

Hi Rick,
The thing is the approach speed on something like the B737 or A320 (largest aircraft regularly operating into Maroochy) can vary by over 30 knots, depending on weight and wind component.
Throw in a head (or tailwind) component and that will change your groundspeed accordingly.

Realistically, your groundspeed could be as slow as 90 knots, or as fast as 160 knots.

So that's a range of 70 knots to guess the groundspeed (not airspeed) looking out a side window, and bearing in mind the plane only knows airspeed, so looking out the window won't really tell you much.

That's why I never offer an opinion to passengers when I'm riding in the cabin [emoji846]