New car can it keep up

[gcpbuddy]

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Is this going to keep up to a Nissan patrol ?

Reason I ask is we do some serious 4wding .

Will it need many modifications? What are the leak points ?

We don't mind doing a little bit of fab work to get it up to the Nissan patrols 4x4 level.

I do stuff like this for a living nissan patrol leaf to coil conversion (https://www.gcpatrols.com/product/nissan-patrol-leaf-to-coil-conversion/) so if we have to do some cutting grinding moving / fabricating I don't mind .


We like the car I self and how it drive , we hope not to have to do much . That's why we are asking what can you guys tell us about these vehicles ?

[loanrangie]

Those tires or should i say rubber bands will be an issue not being able to air down, depends on how you drive your pootrol.
If your a plant it and hope for the best or have 35's on beadlocks then don't bother, with decent rubber they are very capable.

[101RRS]

Is this going to keep up to a Nissan patrol ?

We don't mind doing a little bit of fab work to get it up to the Nissan patrols 4x4 level.



It will easily out perform a standard Patrol but then the Patrols do need a lot of mods and most have them - the same range of modifications is not available for the Disco.

Unfortunately many people like to compare standard Discos with highly modified jappers - the Discos still quite well.

For the Disco - it is pretty much the same as other vehicles

the right tyres
the right wheels
underbody protection
rock sliders
fit LLAMs but you will still not get the same lift as a comp patrol
you could get a ARB locker for the disco (front diff only I think but not sure).

If you want a comp truck get your dad a Patrol but if you want a comfortable cruiser offroad stay the Disco.

[scarry]

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We like the car I self and how it drive , we hope not to have to do much . That's why we are asking what can you guys tell us about these vehicles ?

With a descent set of tyres,thats 18",it will out do a stock patrol in the rough stuff all day.There is no comparison.

It will also come very close,to one that has dual lockers,in most situations.A mate has one with dual lockers.

Remember the D4 is a completely different animal to a vehicle such as a patrol,it will take a quite while to work out how to get the most out of it.

It is very capable.

Its full of electronics,a good read on here will give an idea how to use it,particularly in the rough stuff.Read the handbook that comes with the vehicle,but its only a sort of guide,the more important stuff will be on here.

[Bulletman]

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Learn how to use the electronics, as in traction control , put some decent rubber on it and you will be surprised at where it will go.

hopefully your dad shows the rest of you up.

post up the results ,good or bad as it will be interesting , especially if you compare stock to stock vehicles, not a twin locked patrol against a D4 with 20 inch road tyres

Cheers Bulletman

[gcpbuddy]

Thanks for the input, definitely keep you guys all updated!

[PhilipA]

Had to laugh at an article in the now defunct Oz 4wd where they took their highly modified Jaspers up Mt Walker.
They broke the steering on one and it was a mammoth effort involving winching etc.
The same week there was an article I think on here where 12 stovck D3- D4 had done the trip with no winching and no damage.

regards PhilipA

[INter674]

We've got both here...lots of modded Patrols and had D2 and now D4 SC. The D2 easily went wherever the Pats on 35s went cept when they fitted 37s to the Trols and went into areas really only suited to a D7 dozer...but that is not your normal 4wdriving and I would not do that to a D2...nor a D4..as lots of panel damage often occurs..and mechanical too even on the Trols. But they are cheap to fix.

The D4/D3 is a level above the D2 in terms of on road and off road performance. We have a test track on the farm called mini werriby. The D4 has a std rear locker and will drive the track. The difference is that the Trols charge up all wheels spinning...car jumping and slamming around. ..engine screeming etc... all very exciting to watch.

The D4.. well it just cruises up slowly and steadily with the suspension and traction control and diff lock doing its stuff...on road tyres too. Pays to force it into max height tho.

As my boys say it's boring to watch but impressive never the less.

So depends on what level of "action" you are looking for I guess.

Of course on road the D4 slaughters the Trols in every respect☺

[Bendys]

I had a 2007 STS zd30 manual patrol from new. Went to town on it with accessories, suspension & high end chips & engine mods. Kept the vehicle for 11 years, and changed springs & shocks on it 3 times in an attempt to obtain a softer ride. In the end sold it due to chronic lower back pain issue. After abuse, never broke anything on the patrol, other than auto locking hubs, but that's a known issue.
Bought a 2011 RRS in standard form (same suspension as D4) and it was the best thing I have ever done. Performance, ride, and 4wd abilities, it makes the patrol feel like a tractor. Done the Caernarvon track in SA with the RRS, and was excellent in every way. I did need to turn of hill decent as it nearly put me through the front window cresting hills off the throttle. 18" alloys copped some gouging, but ground clearance wasn't an issue when it was raised.
Youll love the D4.
The upgrade from leaf spring to coil spring, is the same upgrade from coil spring to airbag suspension.

[Oohsam]

My previous car was a very capable and driveable 02 Patrol that i built from scratch.
2 Inch lift, 33 inch tyres, Rock sliders, winch, etc.

Got me in and out of everywhere I wanted to go, recovered lots and lots of vehicles, and I never relied on another car to recover me. I am usually alone so it was vital that I was self sufficient and obviously not going places I knew I couldn't get out of.
I sold it as it was getting a bit old. It was a hard choice as my Patrol was much loved, had everything I needed and was always ready to go to a camping or hunting trip.

When i decided on buying my Discovery 3, I chose it becuase of the luxury and comfort, and the offroad capability (as well as having room for the kids as they are getting older now)
I was quite worried that it wouldn't be able to access the same places the Patrol could go - especialy with the tyre choices but I will be upgrading to 18's with 260's or 265's (not too sure yet, still decidedinb, but LRD414 here runs 260's and he really gives his 4x4 a good offroad test, including trips to cape york and it holds up amazingly well).

I think a disco 3/4 can easily keep up with a lifted patrol on 33's. Once you start comparing to any patrol or cruiser on 35's, well there's not many cars that can keep up unless they have matching rubber.
The other thing also, is that I wouldn't even consider putting my Disco into a boghole, just for the sake of it. But never had any quams taking the patrol through one....so there's def a change of mindset too, on where you want to take the car!

Enjoy!

[INter674]

Yes there is a natural progression with almost all 4wdrivers.. from smashing thru bog holes to more sedate and sensible off road driving and touring.

Want to smash bog holes all day long...buy a cheap petrol GQ Patrol.

Want to drive comfortably off road and/or tour. ...buy a more sophisticated and safer vehicle.

Case in point..youngest son went from lifted twin turbo'ed GQ with 35s to a more sedate and lightly midded GU. Reason..a kid in tow now and relatedly the daughter's partner slow rolled his GQ and we were mortified how it crumpled into a flat pack. He survived but now fits his Nissans with huge roll bars...as well as plating the chassis weak points and diffs to stop them bending..fitting aftermarket springs..shocks..panhards..rims..tyres..drag link..larger rad...etc etc etc

My D4 cost less than he spends on modding Patrols..go figure😎

[Oohsam]

Yes there is a natural progression with almost all 4wdrivers.. from smashing thru bog holes to more sedate and sensible off road driving and touring.

Want to smash bog holes all day long...buy a cheap petrol GQ Patrol.

Want to drive comfortably off road and/or tour. ...buy a more sophisticated and safer vehicle.

Case in point..youngest son went from lifted twin turbo'ed GQ with 35s to a more sedate and lightly midded GU. Reason..a kid in tow now and relatedly the daughter's partner slow rolled his GQ and we were mortified how it crumpled into a flat pack. He survived but now fits his Nissans with huge roll bars...as well as plating the chassis weak points and diffs to stop them bending..fitting aftermarket springs..shocks..panhards..rims..tyres..drag link..larger rad...etc etc etc

My D4 cost less than he spends on modding Patrols..go figure😎

hahaha yes!!
I never thought I'd be "that guy".I used to look at Discovery's and think they were soft roaders.
Only when I did the research for a luxury 4wd (my shortlist was leather interior, electrics, and Low range), there wasn't really anything in the range that could compete.
I still have a desire to do alot of the same driving in the Vic high country - I have seen pics of Discoverys in the same places I took the Patrol, so I have no doubts it will do the work. I might just take a different line than last time ;)

I'm looking forward to taking the discovery out properly. i haven't yet had the chance, I am still in the process of fabricating the winch bracket for it with an albright solenoid. once that's done I'll head out.
The wife def likes it alot more than the patrol, thats for sure.

Not taking away from patrols, they are great vehicles. But a little too utilitarian for my likes at this stage of my life.

[gavanchua]

Would agree that the d3/4 would keep up with the bigger boys. Got invited to watagans by a mate and was the only discovery 3 there on stock 19" HT tyres amongst the Hilux's and 80's with lockers, 33's and 35's. Damages on the trip was scratches from branches along the car and bent the stock boards. That's about it. Went pretty much everywhere the boys went but I did choose to take an alternative track when I feel the car couldn't make it(35's were struggling doing the obstacles) as it is not equipped with any winches. My mate was a little disappointed cause he thought he'll be able to recover a Land Rover but instead he was recovering the 80's on the same track where all of us had to drive through.

[Melbourne Park]

I don't do the heavy stuff but I have got an ARB bull bar which looks pretty. Also GOE 18" wheels, with BFG KO2s 265/65/18. The 65 profiles give me a lot of confidence. I am not aware of the tyres touching anything when on full lock too, but I admit to only going full lock when I am reversing my camping van. And that is backing my van through my tight gates into my suburban home. These things do have a very tight turn considering their wheel base. My concern when buying was sand, as they are heavy and have less tyre than a 200 series (which is a bit lighter). Going from 55 profile 19" factory to 18" 60 profile provides a large amount of extra float (for sand driving) ... I think around 900kg (when the tyre is let down). I assume the 65 profile gives me a whole lot more again when it lengthens its tread when deflated. I think there are other 18" wheels around now, but the GOE ones are stronger and lighter than the factory 19" wheels and have worked for many I think. I've yet to be on sand though .... oh and on corrugations, I was told one should not go by feel, and to drive slower than the vehicle can easily go. Because while the ride is often very smooth, the suspension is still working very hard. The air hides the work it's doing evidently.

Besides the excellent Llams ( inventor Small's name backwards and image if he'd spelled Smalls backwards ) people advise putting in a devise to identify faults in computers etc which enables being able to turn off a fault hence avoiding a vehicle potentially going into permanent very slow speed mode. There are also some low cost kits to isolate and get you home when an air pipe fails. GOE used to sell those, I hope they still do? Others would know more than me.

[rick130]

With a descent set of tyres,thats 18",it will out do a stock patrol in the rough stuff all day.There is no comparison.



What about the Y62 Paul?

It seems pretty damned impressive with only decent tyres fitted.

[INter674]

Look up road test comparisons..the diesel D4 comes out on top v the Y62 for on road and off road ride and capability and is way better on fuel and has more features fitted std.

But the Y62 can take 35"tyres without much modding and has the grunt to turn them fast. The Y62 is slowely being picked up for off road use as it is better value than a Cruiser.

Engine supercharges v well too...and no issues have arisen mechanically yet.

I seriously looked at buying one but the SC D4 was a better car all round and kills the Y62 for maneuverability and visibility...something the missus likes a lot when shopping. It was also 20k cheaper😚

Hope Nissan keeps building them😎

[scarry]

What about the Y62 Paul?

It seems pretty damned impressive with only decent tyres fitted.

Good question,i dunno?Havent seen a test with it in the real rough stuff.

It certainly has some get up and go,and is huge.

What will be interesting is the LC 200 replacement end of year.

They are saying Turbo 3.5L petrol,and the V8 diesel is staying,with a few mods.

[INter674]

Good question,i dunno?Havent seen a test with it in the real rough stuff.

It certainly has some get up and go,and is huge.

What will be interesting is the LC 200 replacement end of year.

They are saying Turbo 3.5L petrol,and the V8 diesel is staying,with a few mods.

Yes the Y62 is big with lots of rear overhang..something the off road tests comment on esp lack of maneuverability.

Check out the latest 4wd Action there's a SC Y62 doing some tough tracks in Tassie.. sounds great too😁

Hope Yota keep the V8 for their sake as it is the reason most buy their 4wd trucks and without which the 79 s for example would be quite ordinary!

[rick130]

Yes the Y62 is big with lots of rear overhang..something the off road tests comment on esp lack of maneuverability.

Check out the latest 4wd Action there's a SC Y62 doing some tough tracks in Tassie.. sounds great too[emoji16]

Hope Yota keep the V8 for their sake as it is the reason most buy their 4wd trucks and without which the 79 s for example would be quite ordinary!There was a Y62 on an LROR YouTube vid and it was doing the track easily, albeit I think it was running 35's

[scarry]

.something the off road tests comment on esp lack of maneuverability.



No 'turn assist',like its opposition has?
I couldn't believe how well it worked,once i saw it in action.[bighmmm]

I wonder what they will think of next.

If the Y62 had EAS,even only on the rear,it would make it a nicer tug.

[INter674]

Turn assist...seems like an excuse for a lack of steering lock!

I would hate to use it on steep switch backs eg in Vic High Country esp if there's snow or mud about🤤

And would be hard on the rear tyres too ....think I would turn it off.

[rick130]

Turn assist...seems like an excuse for a lack of steering lock!

I would hate to use it on steep switch backs eg in Vic High Country esp if there's snow or mud about🤤

And would be hard on the rear tyres too ....think I would turn it off.

I loved turning brakes on tractors, and then the electronic turning assist versions when they came out, but it was most always on relatively level ground, too.

[scarry]

Turn assist...seems like an excuse for a lack of steering lock!



Same steering lock as D3/4,which is better than D2 from memory.

I have seen it operate in sand,it works well.

[INter674]

Mmm not so sure about it being the same steering lock..our D4 easily out manouvers mate's 200s..which is longer ..so that's a factor to consider. But the D4 def turns a lot tighter than mate's Cruiser.

Re tractor brakes...yes fine on a 2wd but very hard on a 4wd tractor and wears out the brake discs/frictions real fast😐. 2wd technique is best to lock the inside wheel..which is almost impossible on a 4wd. I have never used turn brakes on our tractors.. which in any event have mental steering lock so they are not really needed.

[INter674]

Well you might be right Paul. Depending on which specs you believe.. some say 11.8m turning circle for both 200s and D4. Others say 11.4 D4 and 12.6 for 200s.

Yes agree turn assist would be good on sand.

Interesting how Toyota are building in such tech nowadays..wonder how that goes with the oft claim that anyone anywhere can fix a Toyota whereas LRs have a lot to go wrong...as they say☺

[scarry]

Well you might be right Paul. Depending on which specs you believe.. some say 11.8m turning circle for both 200s and D4. Others say 11.4 D4 and 12.6 for 200s.

Yes agree turn assist would be good on sand.

Interesting how Toyota are building in such tech nowadays..wonder how that goes with the oft claim that anyone anywhere can fix a Toyota whereas LRs have a lot to go wrong...as they say☺

Correct,there are different figures,but Land Rover site says 11.45m,kerb to kerb,D4
Toyota site says 11.8m kerb to kerb,200

One site said 11.8 for both...

So i stand to be corrected.
Probably 350mm difference[bighmmm]
If published manufacturer specs are correct.

[CraigE]

Now that I have stopped laughing, it will easily out perform any Nissan Patrol. Things I am doing / going to do, good roof rack, rear wheel carrier to get the spare up from under and fit a long range tank. LLAMS control unit, Gap II tool, triple batteries and a winch. The only other thing you may need is appropriate tyres. Bull bar if it does not have one, cb etc.
Standard vs Standard it will beat a Nissan of any type off road.
You need to compare apples with apples though.
If you want something hard core maybe a Defender.
My son now has my Defender and I have a D4. I love both but they are chalk and cheese. The Defender is a lot better off road as such, but the D4 is much more comfortable.
We used to get the same bull when we bought the Defender, but the Defender was always the 4x4 that went the furthermost without getting stuck.
But like any 4x4 it will be how you drive it.

[Graeme]

Re tractor brakes...yes fine on a 2wd but very hard on a 4wd tractor and wears out the brake discs/frictions real fastMy FWA tractor disengages the front drive clutch if 1 brake pedal is used.

[crawal]

We went from a 4.8 patrol to a Disco 3 ,having 4 kids you cant fit them in a Patrol without knees under chins now no issue.
Couldnt go past a fuel stop with out stopping now weeks apart
Off road another world away , just learn how it works and you will be amazed with the handling and ability to go where you wont think it can
then the towing of the van awesome ride just cruises along
Best thing we have bought
[smilebigeye]

[pastor098]

Mmm not so sure about it being the same steering lock..our D4 easily out manouvers mate's 200s..which is longer ..so that's a factor to consider. But the D4 def turns a lot tighter than mate's Cruiser.

Re tractor brakes...yes fine on a 2wd but very hard on a 4wd tractor and wears out the brake discs/frictions real fast😐. 2wd technique is best to lock the inside wheel..which is almost impossible on a 4wd. I have never used turn brakes on our tractors.. which in any event have mental steering lock so they are not really needed.


What is this steering lock you speak of?

[Oohsam]

We went from a 4.8 patrol to a Disco 3 ,having 4 kids you cant fit them in a Patrol without knees under chins now no issue.
Couldnt go past a fuel stop with out stopping now weeks apart
Off road another world away , just learn how it works and you will be amazed with the handling and ability to go where you wont think it can
then the towing of the van awesome ride just cruises along
Best thing we have bought
[smilebigeye]

I had a 4.8 too, but replaced it with a 4.4 V8 disco hahahah.
I know nothing about efficient fuel efficiency, but I do love a big engine !!

[INter674]

What is this steering lock you speak of?

Yeah prolly should say turning circle but no turns lock to lock also plays into maneuverability. Suffice to say the D4 is pretty impressive albeit it can be a bit heavy at parking speeds not that the missus has complained.....yet😚

[gavanchua]

Would agree about the smaller turning circle. I find the disco turning radius a lot better than my levin. I could easily do a u-turn on a 3 lane width road in the disco but I’ll never make it in the levin.

[josh.huber]

The turning circle makes my wife wear my fronts out fast. Picks a spot, turns full lock and in she goes. It pushes the tyres more then turns them and scrubs them. I was going to adjust them out a bit but instead I put her back in the pulsar