Join Facebook without a Mobile Number

[101RRS]

Previously I have twice been a member of Facebook using my own details and twice it has been compromised so I deleted the account.

Now there are some good groups that are certainly useful so I have created an anonymous hotmail email account and tried to join Facebook using it - all good, but Facebook then wants a mobile phone number as well with no option to tell Facebook there is no mobile.

I have googled this and older links explain how to do this but Facebook as closed the door on this - current links indicate you need to buy a temp sim card mobile number and use that - a bit like using a hotmail account. Dont really want to do that.

Surely there must be a way around this as not all people on Facebook will necessarily have a mobile phone.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Garry

[grey_ghost]

My initial thought was:

* Join with your mobile number
* Go through the verification process
* Then change the mobile number to a fake number

The only problem might be - if you ever need to do a password reset, FB would then send a txt to the "fake" number - essentially you would be locked out.. [bawl]

[rick130]

That sucks.
They don't have my mobile AFAIK

[p38arover]

I can give you a mobile no. I have the account for but it is no longer used. Want it?

[101RRS]

I can give you a mobile no. I have the account for but it is no longer used. Want it?

Thanks Ron but I have decided not to worry about facebook - all too hard.

I just thought that there may have been a way of joining without a mobile - apparently not.

Thanks

Garry

[speleomike]

Very good decision Garry
Facebook sites are terrible anyhow and I take all opportunities to tell clubs that I am in that "No I cannot see your information on Faecebook" :-)

Mike

[Tombie]

Mate, if you’re getting hacked that easily you either have a very soft password, don’t have the 2 factor ID on (now why they need your mobile), or you were doing too many of those click bait test things...

I’ve had a FB account for a long time, and haven’t come close to being hacked - I won’t click any of those BS links and I find the groups and interest pages very useful.

[DiscoMick]

I've never been hacked. Improve your password.
Just buy a cheap pay mobile sim. If your mobile is dual sim you can have two.

[101RRS]

So I entered my mobile telephone number and it then asked me to upload a pic of myself which it did - not real issues with that.

But then it wants me to upload photo ID - such as Drivers Licence, Passport etc - WTF - failing that things like electricity bills, rent bills, credit card/bank statements - wtf

I happily provide those type of docs for bona-fide govt type identity checks but no way for Facebook - so it seems that unless I break my privacy I cannot become a Facebook member even with a mobile phone number - they do say they destroy the collected information after 30 days but you would believe Facebook - I dont.

So no Facebook for me.

Garry

[Tombie]

Sounds like they’re cracking down on fake accounts by those measures.

[Tins]

Sounds like they’re cracking down on fake accounts by those measures.

Prospective real ones too. I had an account years ago and deleted it as soon as I stopped needing it. I wouldn't mind having access to FB Marketplace these days, but NO WAY will i give them the info that the OP is suggesting that they are asking for. Maybe a proxy..... Volunteers?

[Tins]

Just buy a cheap pay mobile sim.

How do you do that in Australia without 100 point ID? OK, I have a Thai sim that may still work, but seriously??

[Tins]

they do say they destroy the collected information after 30 days but you would believe Facebook - I dont.

Not for a New York second.


So no Facebook for me.

Garry

Nor me.

[sashadidi]

Used a sim from russia i brought in the moscow metro from a uzbek guy before you needed id fake hotmail and name etc as i needed access to a site for cars that i needed on facebook .only contacts I listed was FSB(KGb)and kremlin numbers so not much info there....i deleted fbafter that . Now impossible to get a sim like that without ID. Still works though.

[Tins]

Used a sim from russia i brought in the moscow metro from a uzbek guy before you needed id fake hotmail and name etc as i needed access to a site for cars that i needed on facebook .only contacts I listed was FSB(KGb)and kremlin numbers so not much info there....i deleted fbafter that . Now impossible to get a sim like that without ID. Still works though.

I got my sim from BK airport. Sure, they asked for ID, but did they record it? I don't know. Maybe Latin America. Or New Zealand[bigwhistle].

Question is, who needs FB that much? Not me.

[Tombie]

Sadly... I do.

All my clubs have moved to FB only groups.
No web sites, no forums, no emails.

It’s very effective in that regard.

[Tins]

Sadly... I do.

All my clubs have moved to FB only groups.
No web sites, no forums, no emails.

It’s very effective in that regard.

Yes. There is an invite only FIAT 124 Sport club that I miss, especially now that I have some bits to sell. Bits for these are like rocking horse ****, and the Yanks want 'em.

See, that's how they get you, Mike. Encourage all these 'clubs' on, and then you are hooked. THAT is the part I hate the most. It means that I have to be a lemming if I want to join all the other lemmings, except they are willing lemmings, and I am not. Jonathon Livingstone Lemming, that's me.

"Jonathon Livingstone Lemming". Heck, I should copyright that. Great YT handle.

Well, not ©, but already a YT channel..... [smilebigeye]. So glad I did that.....[bigwhistle]

[scarry]

My wife's father had a FB account,he has been dead almost 8 yrs,she still uses it.

Theres probably thousands of accounts around that are similar.

Tombie is correct,i find the same,if in any club or you have an interest in something,FB is the go.

Even AULRO FB has some good stuff,and if you ned an answer quick about something,its often the go.

[101RRS]

So all you FB peoples handing over copies of your passports, drivers licences and credit cards?

[incisor]

So all you FB peoples handing over copies of your passports, drivers licences and credit cards?

none of the above...

[speleomike]

Hi

Most FB users have really no idea how or how much of their personal information is being abused. They don't read in detail the tech journals nor reasons why FB has been fined in many countries. They are quite content to accept this as "normal and acceptable". In addition the people who run some clubs are quite happy to allow their users to be marketing fodder.

It's the exact antithesis of what the internet was supposed to be. Instead of a distributed two-way communication and information sharing platform where the lines between producers and consumers are blurred or non-existent, we have a centrally controlled producer and arbiter of content and a billion happy consumers.

Same can be said for the App Store and the Play Store.

rant over :-)

Mike

[Tins]

My wife's father had a FB account,he has been dead almost 8 yrs,she still uses it.

Theres probably thousands of accounts around that are similar.

Tombie is correct,i find the same,if in any club or you have an interest in something,FB is the go.

Even AULRO FB has some good stuff,and if you ned an answer quick about something,its often the go.

So, all I need is an account of a dead person and I'm fine? Sums up FaceBook beautifully IMO.

[incisor]

we have a centrally controlled producer and arbiter of content and a billion happy consumers.

Same can be said for the App Store and the Play Store.

rant over :-)

Mike

convenience always carries a heavy price....

[Tombie]

Oh come on....

Google
Telstra
Optus
Vodafone
Yahoo
AULRO [emoji41] (and any other forum)
DSS
Visa
MasterCard
Amex
Coles
Woolworths
Bunnings (ref above)
BCF (again)
Bureau of Statistics
ATO
Local Pub / Club
Motor Reg Departments
Insurance Companies
eBay
CBA
NAB
ANZ


All have an interest in big data to some levels or another.

Big data is both a benefit and a curse.

[Tins]

So, all I need is an account of a dead person and I'm fine? Sums up FaceBook beautifully IMO.

I have to say, the idea of someone pretending to be my late wife could make me violently angry. Think about and tell me you would disagree.

[Tins]

a curse.

That sums it up. It's only a benefit to them. If that suits you, fine. It does not, and it never will, suit me.

[Tombie]

So, all I need is an account of a dead person and I'm fine? Sums up FaceBook beautifully IMO.

Does it? That’s like saying all forums sum up this forum nicely.

You can have deceased persons accounts tagged as deceased - they then become a digital memorial / time capsule of sorts.

FB is openly “evil” they admit they’re data mining, they have also been subject to massive auditing. Are they any worse than that RSL / Charity lottery selling your information on to marketing groups? They all do it...

As for your licence to activate an account - cross out a few details and go from there...

[Tombie]

That sums it up. It's only a benefit to them. If that suits you, fine. It does not, and it never will, suit me.

You’re playing in a micro version of big data right now.
This forum is then mined by bots.

I know Inc is pretty switched on, so I’m confident he monitors traffic out of the server. Although he uses commercial software - who knows what’s hidden within its code [emoji41]

[incisor]

This forum is then mined by bots.

I know Inc is pretty switched on, so I’m confident he monitors traffic out of the server. Although he uses commercial software - who knows what’s hidden within its code [emoji41]

he actively blocks bots among an array of nefarious activities.... and uses commercial software that uses an image of a full stop to ping a licence server..

stats on the forumhome page

Spiders/Bots Activity Blocked From Site: 7,252,795

it's a constant battle....

[rick130]

So all you FB peoples handing over copies of your passports, drivers licences and credit cards?As Inc said, none of the above including a phone number (which they repeatedly request)
I wouldn't join of they requested all that ID stuff, either.
Bugger that.
Going by the ads I'm served they still think I'm in Canberra so I'm ok with that.

I'm constantly feeling like I want to delete the app but the couple of groups I'm in its handy.

Google are just as bad for a lack of privacy, even with location turned off on a phone packets of data are constantly sent back so a map of your movements are able to made if someone accessed it

[JDNSW]

So I entered my mobile telephone number and it then asked me to upload a pic of myself which it did - not real issues with that.

But then it wants me to upload photo ID - such as Drivers Licence, Passport etc - WTF - failing that things like electricity bills, rent bills, credit card/bank statements - wtf

I happily provide those type of docs for bona-fide govt type identity checks but no way for Facebook - so it seems that unless I break my privacy I cannot become a Facebook member even with a mobile phone number - they do say they destroy the collected information after 30 days but you would believe Facebook - I dont.

So no Facebook for me.

Garry

If you join Facebook, you are automatically breaking your privacy - their income is from selling data about you to outfits such as Cambridge Analytica and other less nefarious outfits - whoever has money.

[incisor]

If you use Facebook owned services on a mobile device, do not use their apps. Use 3rd party apps and you avoid the worst of it

You can also turn off some of the nefarious stuff if you use a chromium based browser which is usually on by default

[ramblingboy42]

this fear of being seen or known kind of astounds me....every site you enter can read your info , regardless of whether you give them permission to use cookies etc.

I think your drivers license has more information on you than face book ever has.

your drivers license can be hacked just as easy as your face book account

if you wish to set yourself up protectively , just call one of the many computer "geeks" who for a few dollars will sit down with you and go through everything on your computer including all that stuff you thought you had deleted , yes they'll see all the sites you've visited , install all the correct programs for you, totally delete all rubbish for you, place whatever protections you want and leave you with a clean computer performing like a rocket.

if you can't do this yourself, it is worth it.

[speleomike]

I think your drivers license has more information on you than face book ever has.


Not correct.



your drivers license can be hacked just as easy as your face book account


Not correct.



if you wish to set yourself up protectively , just call one of the many computer "geeks" who for a few dollars will sit down with you and go through everything on your computer including all that stuff you thought you had deleted , yes they'll see all the sites you've visited , install all the correct programs for you, totally delete all rubbish for you, place whatever protections you want and leave you with a clean computer performing like a rocket.
if you can't do this yourself, it is worth it.

Yes, might be good advice for some users.

[VladTepes]

I think your drivers license has more information on you than face book ever has.


ROFLMAO. Facebook and other major 'big data' organisations probably know more about you than your wife does. Possibly even more than you can remember about yourself. The ability of computers to collect and AGGREGATE data is astounding AND increasing all the time.

Where does it end? What if Ancestry sells all the DNA tests it has done to someone - then your DNA profile would be linked with all your other details.
What if myhealth.gov.ai is hacked and that data were to be sold?

What is insurance companies buy that data and who you have a genetic predisposition to 'disease x' and have sought treatment for 'complajnt y'. No sorry we won't insure you OR sure here's your new astronomical premium...

And that's only the start of it. Wait til it's all done by AI.

[superquag]

As Inc said, none of the above including a phone number (which they repeatedly request)
I wouldn't join of they requested all that ID stuff, either.
Bugger that.
Going by the ads I'm served they still think I'm in Canberra so I'm ok with that.

I'm constantly feeling like I want to delete the app but the couple of groups I'm in its handy.

Google are just as bad for a lack of privacy, even with location turned off on a phone packets of data are constantly sent back so a map of your movements are able to made if someone accessed it

got iyt in one. Tracking. And psycchology.. while YOU have an emotional attachment to various groups, your weakness will eventually make you crumble... which zuckkerberg well-knows. I'm told it only takes 17 'likes' for fb to correctly profile your personality.
It's just easier for them to track/monitor your movements if yor "permit" them. They also bait & check your responses to pop-ups etc. It only took them 3 or 4 months of minimal activity to work out I wasn't Frederick E Finkelstein...someone else was. Since I had VIOLATED the holiest of their T & C's.. telling them fibs. They they evicted me. for ever. Job Done !

zuckerberg has bought adjoining properties as part of his 'privacy', yet he demands pics of YOU... Facial Recognition? in what countries? for what end(s) ???

[Tombie]

Or quite simply someone reported your account as a fake name. [emoji38]

[speleomike]

Hi



Where does it end? What if Ancestry sells all the DNA tests it has done to someone - then your DNA profile would be linked with all your other details.


In the US Ancestry and 23andme do provide DNA to Police and maybe other groups.



What if myhealth.gov.ai is hacked and that data were to be sold?


myhealth.gov.au: Australian Digital Health agency admitted the network had been breached nine times since the system went live.
“In the 2016-17 financial year, there were six data breach notifications within My Health Record, and three notifications in the previous financial year.”

Hack of Melbourne medical records shows risk to health data - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-22/melbourne-heart-hack-cyber-criminals-my-health-record-risks/10834482)
My Health Record system breached in compromising hack | Star 104.5 FM - Central Coast (https://www.star1045.com.au/articles/my-health-record-system-breached-compromising-hack)



What is insurance companies buy that data and who you have a genetic predisposition to 'disease x' and have sought treatment for 'complaint y'. No sorry we won't insure you OR sure here's your new astronomical premium...


Insurance companies have a duty to shareholders to minimise their costs and obtaining such information would be valuable for them, and perhaps not illegal in some cases. If a claim is large then they may hire an investigator to trawl though any source of a persons health status and if it shows they knew this condition existed or prone to it they can refuse coverage. That trawling could be from

Mike

[Tombie]

And over the years hundreds of medically sensitive documents have also turned up sitting insecure.
Wherever there is information there will be leaks of some kind.

Be aware, be sensible.

[JDNSW]

....
Be aware, be sensible.

And eschew facebook!

[Slunnie]

Previously I have twice been a member of Facebook using my own details and twice it has been compromised so I deleted the account.

Now there are some good groups that are certainly useful so I have created an anonymous hotmail email account and tried to join Facebook using it - all good, but Facebook then wants a mobile phone number as well with no option to tell Facebook there is no mobile.

I have googled this and older links explain how to do this but Facebook as closed the door on this - current links indicate you need to buy a temp sim card mobile number and use that - a bit like using a hotmail account. Dont really want to do that.

Surely there must be a way around this as not all people on Facebook will necessarily have a mobile phone.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Garry
I was thinking that you can still somehow reactivate cancelled accounts. If you can do this, you may be able to then change the email address.

[DiscoMick]

I have a disused SIM I bought in Burma to use there in my dual-SIM phone - I wonder if that would be accepted? I've since removed it from the phone.
Not planning to try it - just curious.

[Slunnie]

I have a disused SIM I bought in Burma to use there in my dual-SIM phone - I wonder if that would be accepted? I've since removed it from the phone.
Not planning to try it - just curious.

Burma is an interesting place! Especially if you love Pagodas! :lol2:

You will probably need to be able to take a message on it to verify the security.

[DiscoMick]

Burma is an interesting place! Especially if you love Pagodas! [emoji38]2:

You will probably need to be able to take a message on it to verify the security.Yes, so that can't work as its disused with no credit.

Yes, Burma is interesting.
The Shewedagon (spelling?) Pagoda in Yangon was an eye-opener. I had to stop myself from asking which of the pagodas were built with gold looted from the former Thai capital Ayutthaya when the Burmese invaded Siam.
The Burmese Army are ruthless in suppressing the people.
I think its good if foreigners go there to visit, but you have to be aware of what's really going on there and be careful to act in ways which don't cause trouble for local people.
For example, we avoid flash hotels because they are usually paying graft to the Army generals, and instead look for small local guest houses recommended by people we trust.

[Slunnie]

Yes, so that can't work as its disused with no credit.

Yes, Burma is interesting.
The Shewedagon (spelling?) Pagoda in Yangon was an eye-opener. I had to stop myself from asking which of the pagodas were built with gold looted from the former Thai capital Ayutthaya when the Burmese invaded Siam.
The Burmese Army are ruthless in suppressing the people.
I think its good if foreigners go there to visit, but you have to be aware of what's really going on there and be careful to act in ways which don't cause trouble for local people.
For example, we avoid flash hotels because they are usually paying graft to the Army generals, and instead look for small local guest houses recommended by people we trust.
It is, my uncle lives there and took us all over the country. Nows not a good time to visit though, they're pretty angry that the white tourists have brought CV into the country, and even though he has lived there for years and years, there is a bit of prejudice going on at the moment.

[Tombie]

It is, my uncle lives there and took us all over the country. Nows not a good time to visit though, they're pretty angry that the white tourists have brought CV into the country, and even though he has lived there for years and years, there is a bit of prejudice going on at the moment.

Same anger is being displayed in parts of Thailand at the moment. Far ang are being blamed for bringing it in.

[DiscoMick]

Yes, in China, foreigners are being accused of not following restrictions that apply to locals.

'Foreign garbage': Coronavirus intensifies hostility to expats in China
As coronavirus sparks anti-Chinese racism, xenophobia rises in China itself - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/coronavirus-intensifies-anti-foreigner-sentiment-in-china/12128224)