Cadogan's Towing Advice

[INter674]

Had to laugh at Cadogan's towing vid...mainly cause he hates LRs and yet the cars he hates and advises never to buy have all the safety/functionality features he sprooks as necessary and in most cases fitted as standard in LRs....unlike his sponsors vehicle Hyundai Santa fe used on the vid!!

I smirk at folks having to shell out thousands to upgrade suspension..for example..every time I hook up a trailer to our D4 and the car takes care of the rest.

I demonstrated our D4 EAS to my mate who spent 20k on his 200s suspension...suffice to say he was visibly gob smacked...how does it do that he said!!

Geezs he said wish mine did that.....

It's a cruel world 😉

[justinc]

Yes, the single biggest push over the fence I was sitting on when looking at a Y62 vs the TDV8 vogue. The towing performance in regards to suspension and ABS / DSC programs were streets ahead in the LR . Codogan is blind. Period.

[p38arover]

Had to laugh at Cadogan's towing vid...mainly cause he hates LRs and yet the cars he hates and advises never to buy have all the safety/functionality features he sprooks as necessary

Spruiks. [bigwhistle]

[INter674]

Spruiks. [bigwhistle]

Na.. Sprook...vernacular or indeed Dutch for fairytales😎

[p38arover]

Meaning of spruik in English:
spruik
VERB
[NO OBJECT]
1 Australian informal - Speak in public, especially to advertise a show.

‘men who spruik outside striptease joints’

More example sentences
1.1 Promote or publicize.

‘the company forked out $15 million to spruik its digital revolution’
Origin

Early 20th century of unknown origin.

See also - spruik - Wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spruik) - possibly from the Dutch?

[SeanC]

Something that doesn’t get mentioned is the safety issue. In QLD the maximum lift is 15cm. That’s like driving 24/7 at about super extended height. They must be a real handful on the road. To be able to get that maximum lift when needed then drive home at on-road has to be safer.

[p38arover]

Something that doesn’t get mentioned is the safety issue. In QLD the maximum lift is 15cm. That’s like driving 24/7 at about super extended height. They must be a real handful on the road. To be able to get that maximum lift when needed then drive home at on-road has to be safer.

Crikey! 6" lift on a Hyundai Santa Fe?

[incisor]

funny

had a tradie jack knife his trailer a few cars in front of me this afternoon...

dont know exactly what happened but the trailer ended up on it's side in no time flat..

in the end he just skull dragged off the road and onto some poor buggers very neat (up till then) footpath...

[INter674]

Something that doesn’t get mentioned is the safety issue. In QLD the maximum lift is 15cm. That’s like driving 24/7 at about super extended height. They must be a real handful on the road. To be able to get that maximum lift when needed then drive home at on-road has to be safer.

Agree...and to make matters worse take a look at cruisers or patrols that have rear suspension/gvm upgrades ....they are easy to spot when unloaded as the rear end is usually tilted up in the air. Can't be good for braking or handling..can it?

In Tas lifting to the max height of 150mm (50+50+50) usually triggers an expensive supervised race track swerve and braking test...which most cars fail first time resulting in more mods..eg..lowering..in order to pass.

[INter674]

Meaning of spruik in English:
spruik
VERB
[NO OBJECT]
1 Australian informal - Speak in public, especially to advertise a show.

‘men who spruik outside striptease joints’

More example sentences
1.1 Promote or publicize.

‘the company forked out $15 million to spruik its digital revolution’
Origin

Early 20th century of unknown origin.

See also - spruik - Wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spruik) - possibly from the Dutch?

Raise you one

EtymologyEdit

Unknown, likely*Germanic. Compare*Dutch*spraak(“speech”),*spreek*(“spe ak”),*spreuk*(“saying”),*sprook(“a story, fiction, tale, or false idea”). First recorded in the late 1890s and early 1900s, suggesting a possible derivation from Afrikaans (i.e. brought back by soldiers returning from the Boer War). With the exception of a few early uses of*sprook, the word's spelling has been fixed since it first entered the language. The uncommon <ui> digraph provides further evidence for an Afrikaans or Dutch origin.

I'm old now..so I'm entitled to use the early version😎

[shanegtr]

Had to laugh at Cadogan's towing vid...mainly cause he hates LRs

I don't believe he hates LR - I have heard him say on a previous video "I've loved every range rover I've ever driven, would I buy one? Not with a friggin gun to my head" just look for his video about buying with the head or heart for that quote

[p38arover]

I think his main bitch is with the company and it's dealers, not the vehicles. Much the same with most of the vehicles he knocks, e.g., VW.

[Lukeis]

Trying not to be too biased I’ve got to admit I’ve never poured as much money into a car post purchase than the D4 so he has a point, one which I carefully explain to anyone who asks if I’m happy with it.

i essentially say you buy the car, then you pay a subscription to keep it. So as long as you are aware of that possibility it’s the best car you can own. And yes, I’ll buy another this year.

Nothing else looks as good, handles work in the city, beach runs, bush tracks and tows like it. All without extra mods

[loanrangie]

I think his main bitch is with the company and it's dealers, not the vehicles. Much the same with most of the vehicles he knocks, e.g., VW.And Jeep.

[INter674]

And Jeep.

Yes his main gripe does appear in many cases to relate to customer service issues...BUT given the multi brand dealers (as he notes) that issue affects almost all cars out there.

Case in point he highlights Mercedes willingness to fight you all the way over product failings. The same dealer here sells Audi and BMW .. which he rates highly..

I know of some Audi owners that have had v bad dealer experiences...one of which related to an A4 gearbox failure which they refused to fix under warranty.

So .. Cadogan is full of contradictions....nothing surprising there as he thrives on being controversial..so facts are often overlooked🙄

[Homestar]

I don't think he overlooks facts at all - his gripes at the dealers he picks on are very warranted. His advise about what cars to avoid also make sense if you look at them from an unbiased viewpoint. Anyone who owns a vehicle he nags out immediately gets their backs up, but his points are usually well made.

[RHS58]

He’d be more credible, maybe, if he toned down his foul mouth.

[Homestar]

His mouth is very tame compared to what is said on the building sites I frequent daily so I haven't seen that as an issue to be honest but it is a valid point.

[loanrangie]

His mouth is very tame compared to what is said on the building sites I frequent daily so I haven't seen that as an issue to be honest but it is a valid point.

Yep, i like his sense of humour.

[PhilipA]

Come on blokes.
He is talking to say 90 % of the towinG market not the 1% that Land Rover represents.
A Santa Fe costs about 41k and has a capacity of 2 tonnes with 100 kg ball weight.
Hyundais are also just about the most reliable cars on Earth.
A D4 D5 costs about 100 grand and are the most unreliable cars on Earth.
one would sincerely hope that at least the D4 would have some towinG aids to compensate for the absurdly small fuel tank,the ridiculous wheels, and the D4 suspension that seems to need replacing at regular intervals.
My daughter just bought a Sportsge after I recommended a Santa Fe . The Diesel Sportsge has 1900, kg towinG with 100 kg download, and gets 6.4 lper 100.
Perfect for a camper trailer and an M1 commute.
She and many others could no more afford a D5 than fly to the moon.She originally wanted an Outback but I got her to read Cadogan review and she changed her mind, even though he loves Outback’s he honestly opined that not for towinG.
I think his towinG review was spot on and I learned something, ie thatHyundai does a towinG pack.
Regards PhilipA
apologies for strange caps and grammar my pc blew up via NBN lightning strike so only iPad.

[Tombie]

Come on blokes.
He is talking to say 90 % of the towinG market not the 1% that Land Rover represents.
A Santa Fe costs about 41k and has a capacity of 2 tonnes with 100 kg ball weight.
Hyundais are also just about the most reliable cars on Earth.
A D4 D5 costs about 100 grand and are the most unreliable cars on Earth.
one would sincerely hope that at least the D4 would have some towinG aids to compensate for the absurdly small fuel tank,the ridiculous wheels, and the D4 suspension that seems to need replacing at regular intervals.
My daughter just bought a Sportsge after I recommended a Santa Fe . The Diesel Sportsge has 1900, kg towinG with 100 kg download, and gets 6.4 lper 100.
Perfect for a camper trailer and an M1 commute.
She and many others could no more afford a D5 than fly to the moon.She originally wanted an Outback but I got her to read Cadogan review and she changed her mind, even though he loves Outback’s he honestly opined that not for towinG.
I think his towinG review was spot on and I learned something, ie thatHyundai does a towinG pack.
Regards PhilipA
apologies for strange caps and grammar my pc blew up via NBN lightning strike so only iPad.


The Kia Urban Fuel Burn is 8.0l/100 Urban - Not the combined mix of Urban and Highway of 6.4/100
When comparing also need to take into account its 62L fuel tank and its range is no better than a D4. For comparison, My work Toyota with a 130L tank gets 900km
The Kia is quite heavy for its size @ 1736kg tare and with a max GVM of 2250kg wont be doing much legally. Thats 514kg - 100kg for the towball leaving 414kg for everything else.

Good for a Single or Couple travelling lightly [smilebigeye]


No point comparing Apples with Oranges!

[INter674]

I would NOT be seen dead in a Kia or a Hyundai.

I had a Kia for a work car and it was crap. Yes it had a 7 year warranty......it needed it too...that's why the Dept bought them...and was cheap. But it was nasty to drive and wrecked my back.

Drove a Hyundai Santa Clause for a while too and hated it...wallowed and crashed over bumps and holes. Brakes were rubbish too.

Sorry but I love my D4 SC. Just towed wood with a combined weight of 3.5 tonnes over 100ks and it drove brilliantly. Drove up a driveway steep as and backed into a stupidly awkward shed up a steep narrow and wet access road. All in high range too.

There is no way a Kia or a Hyundai could have done that😂

On way home I had to remind myself there was a trailer on the back.

IMHO Kia/Hyundais originated and still belong in boganville😉

[PhilipA]

I was just trying to point out exactly the same thing.
There is no validity in criticising the Cadogan report as his report is much more typical of the average situation than a D4 towinG a giant 3500 kg, and it is hard not to agree that thetowed mass should not be more than the car mass.
so urban and highway is 6.4 and city 8 then highway must be around 5 which I find astoundingly good.
Look my daughter will not be towinG to GVM so your calculations are not applicable. I would have suggested something else if that was the case say an Isuzu. They just sold a. challenger.

I was just rereading the 12 2019 LRO where John Pearson was lamenting that Which car had scored LR near bottom for reliability.
the Which Car quote was You May be able to drive up a mountain in style but will your breakdown service be able to reach you when it conks out.
dIscovery sport and Evoque rated “ dont buy”
The last or near last place of LR in just about every reliability survey cannot be just coincidental.Its just lucky for them that they have a devoted owner body which they continually seem to burn.
regards PhilipA

[INter674]

Mmm....Cadogan also s cans Toyota for their disaterous DPF /air box engineering and ridiculous excuses inc blaming the customer/guest for engine failures.

So LR are not alone in that regard ...and look at VWs products and customer service....the list of dodgy cars and dealers goes on and on and on.

Anyhow...the point of my post was the irony of Cadogan's canning of LRs which are well equipped tow cars..as often v/noted by RV forums.

Yes there is a vast price difference new but as we know to add necessary towing features after market costs a bomb and may render the car illegal or less safe to drive...to wit slanted cruisers and the like getting around.

I think we can agree that buying a car is a risk no matter the brand and Cadogan raises some important issues albeit he generalises a lot. Pity our consumer law enforcement is so weak otherwise we might get a better deal and Cadogan would be out of a job☺