Corona Virus

[4bee]

Coronavirus may have leaked from a Chinese lab (https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-chinese-lab/news-story/0bc7c4f52892eb2e51e788b8e2e45c07)

[Bearman]

That is a high probability.

[NavyDiver]

My wife suggests she knows who gives her a cold or similar for a decade or two.[bigwhistle]

The cool part about scientist is we will know fairly quickly the vector point. The massive assumption of "read it again sounds like" in that news yarn was funny.

Assuming the story is not a fairy tail to sell some news papers then we might need to have an similar dramatic assumption the biological warfare agent is a total failure with a sub 2% death rate and 98% recovery rate[biggrin]

[NavyDiver]

Coronavirus: Wuhan to quarantine all cured patients for 14 days after some test positive again

Recovered and discharged people were sent to designated centres from Saturday onwards
Decision follows several instances in which recovered patients were found to be still carrying the virus and able to infect others



Coronavirus: Wuhan to quarantine all cured patients for 14 days after some test positive again | South China Morning Post (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051966/coronavirus-wuhan-quarantine-all-cured-patients-14-days-after)

[4bee]

Apparently people who were cleared on the Cruise Ship in Japan are being found still, with the Virus.

My concerns are that folk can't be trusted when it comes to their interests & wants & are finding ways around self isolation. The ME, Me, Me, types. I've got a hot idea, give them Self-Immolation instead.

That'll learn 'em.


's ok I just disinfected my hands before typing this.

[4bee]

Apparently people who were cleared on the Cruise Ship in Japan are being found still, with the Virus.

My concerns are that folk can't be trusted when it comes to their interests & wants & are finding ways around self isolation. The ME, Me, Me, types. I've got a hot idea, give them Self-Immolation instead.

That'll learn 'em.


's ok I just disinfected my hands before typing this.


Just watched a short story on SKY.

Reporter bloke was able to jump into his car in Italy, cross borders & finish up in France without once being tested for the virus.

While at Chamonix, they are mixing with like minded skiers from all over the globe & then they in turn **** off back home.


Go by plane, & it is a very different story so tell me how the **** will they ever stop this bloody thing. As I mentioned elsewhere, it will the bloody Me me me lot that will be the the cause of world annihilation. Bastards!


I can't believe the authorities are serious about this thing.

In the days of the Spanish Flue epidemic/pandemic which apparently killed millions, travel was only by ship & not Jet aircraft.

[Red90]

It won’t be stopped. The experts have already said that. It has a long incubation period and is asymtematic for many people. There is no real way to stop it or contain it.

[bob10]

Just watched a short story on SKY.

Reporter bloke was able to jump into his car in Italy, cross borders & finish up in France without once being tested for the virus.

While at Chamonix, they are mixing with like minded skiers from all over the globe & then they in turn **** off back home.


Go by plane, & it is a very different story so tell me how the **** will they ever stop this bloody thing. As I mentioned elsewhere, it will the bloody Me me me lot that will be the the cause of world annihilation. Bastards!


I can't believe the authorities are serious about this thing.

In the days of the Spanish Flue epidemic/pandemic which apparently killed millions, travel was only by ship & not Jet aircraft.

Outside of quarantine, only people with symptoms are being tested. It has not been declared a pandemic, yet. A disturbing story out of China is that Doctors in Wuhan have declared people who have been infected, and cleared of the virus, are being infected again. And they believe that strain is worse than the first. The Spanish Flu did not start in Spain. It is widely regarded as starting in an Army barracks in Kansas, from draftees who picked it up from pigs or birds on farms in the area. This was then spread to France by American soldiers going over to fight in WW1. The only reason it is called Spanish flu is that because of Wartime censorship, the Warring nations did not publish the fact their Armies were being debilitated by the flu [ the Germans had it too] Spain was neutral, so had no censorship. The authorities are very serious about coronavirus, but don't want to cause panic amongst the World's population.
Anyway, The Spanish flu, a warning from history


YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x1aLAw_xkY)

[V8Ian]

Just watched a short story on SKY.

Reporter bloke was able to jump into his car in Italy, cross borders & finish up in France without once being tested for the virus.

While at Chamonix, they are mixing with like minded skiers from all over the globe & then they in turn **** off back home.


Go by plane, & it is a very different story so tell me how the **** will they ever stop this bloody thing. As I mentioned elsewhere, it will the bloody Me me me lot that will be the the cause of world annihilation. Bastards!


I can't believe the authorities are serious about this thing.

In the days of the Spanish Flue epidemic/pandemic which apparently killed millions, travel was only by ship & not Jet aircraft.
Italy and France share a border, he must've been using Google maps and it sent him the long way round. I wonder if it sent him over the Cadel ferry. [bighmmm][bigwhistle]

[4bee]

There is the possibility that he may have crossed the border numerous time on that road. I can't see why, but ****, it is Italy. Maybe he went back & forth to see if the Guardia di Finanza were awake in their little guardhouse?


Either that or I did a Typo, but he did say Borders, of that I am positive, I think.[smilebigeye]

[bob10]

Italy and France share a border, he must've been using Google maps and it sent him the long way round. I wonder if it sent him over the Cadel ferry. [bighmmm][bigwhistle]

Whatever happened, I bet it said it was a gazetted road. [biggrin]

[bob10]

Australia activates emergency virus plan.

Australia triggers emergency virus plan as Spanish hotel locks down (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2020/02/26/australia-emergency-virus-plan/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM%20Extra%20-%2020200226)

[bob10]

The Australian Health Sector emergency response plan for COVID -19.


Australian Health Sector Emergency Response Plan For Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) | Australian Government Department of Health (https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/australian-health-sector-emergency-response-plan-for-novel-coronavirus-covid-19)

[V8Ian]

Whatever happened, I bet it said it was a gazetted road. [biggrin]
You 'avin' a go? :bat:[wink11][bigrolf]

[Tote]

/tinfoil hat on

It is interesting that Italy still hasn't found their patient zero, might be a coincidence but the latest patient in California has no travel history or known contact with potentially infected people. It's not like biological agents haven't been used as weapons before.

/Tinfoil hat off

Regards,
Tote

[scarry]

Maybe they will have to move the Baboons out of that Sydney hospital so they have room for people with the virus.[bighmmm]

[bob10]

Coronavirus may have leaked from a Chinese lab (https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-chinese-lab/news-story/0bc7c4f52892eb2e51e788b8e2e45c07)

The Chinese are not the first to have problems with viral security at one of their labs. The USA has form too.


25 years ago in Virginia, a very different Ebola outbreak - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-years-ago-in-virginia-a-very-different-ebola-outbreak/)

[disco gazza]

I heard on the tv early this morning that the person in California who has contacted the said disease lives very close to where the
people who came over from China are housed at the airforce base,whilst they do there 14 day stay.

Maybe she works at said airforce base.

[4bee]

/tinfoil hat on

It is interesting that Italy still hasn't found their patient zero, might be a coincidence but the latest patient in California has no travel history or known contact with potentially infected people. It's not like biological agents haven't been used as weapons before.

/Tinfoil hat off

Regards,
Tote

Italy like France, is also one of those countries that travel in reverse in a human crisis, so maybe it has yet to catch up with them on the way back?

If you get me drift.

Also a bit odd that it escaped from a Biological Warfare Laboratory. What the **** were they playing with this thing for anyway?


I wouldn't put it past "the country of origin" to be prepared to wipe out thousands of their citizens in a bid to stem the tide of overpopulation & if it ****s up the rest of the world so be it, that's a good thing. They could even have an antidote for this only to be used when attempts to eventually stop it have failed.


Their now Leader seems to be a bit of a weirdo with some crazy ideas & another one who is Boss forever..

Tote, now about those Tinfoil hats, got many in stock?[biggrin]

[bob10]

Italy like France, is also one of those countries that travel in reverse in a human crisis, so maybe it has yet to catch up with them on the way back?

If you get me drift.

Also a bit odd that it escaped from a Biological Warfare Laboratory. What the **** were they playing with this thing for anyway?




Yeah, something like this brings out all the fringe dwellers. First up it is not a biological warfare facility. It is a level 4 biological laboratory dedicated to the study of and production of vaccines for diseases such as Ebola, or in the case of China, the study of the SARS virus , from the outbreak in 1989. Australia has 4 such laboratories. The latest virus COVID-19, is believed to have been transmitted by an infected monkey/'s , which through slack bio-security, was allowed to make contact with the public. There are a number of theories how , but I don't think it matters. It happened. Here is a list of laboratories through out the World.
​

Biosafety Level - List of BSL-4 Facilities - liquisearch.com (https://www.liquisearch.com/biosafety_level/list_of_bsl-4_facilities)


Explaining Bio-safety levels 1,2,3, and 4.

Biosafety Levels 1, 2, 3 & 4 | What's The Difference? (https://consteril.com/biosafety-levels-difference/)

There are only two facilities in the World that hold the smallpox virus. One in Russia, one in the USA. Wiki gives a different location of the Australian level 4 labs.


Biosafety level 4 laboratories are used for diagnostic work and research on easily transmitted pathogens which can cause fatal disease. These include a number of viruses known to cause viral hemorrhagic fever (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_hemorrhagic_fever)
such as Marburg virus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus)
, Ebola virus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus)
, Lassa virus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassa_virus)
, and Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean-Congo_hemorrhagic_fever)
. Other pathogens handled at BSL-4 include Hendra virus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendra_virus)
, Nipah virus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipah_virus)
, and some flaviviruses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavivirus)
. Additionally, poorly characterized pathogens which appear closely related to dangerous pathogens are often handled at this level until sufficient data are obtained either to confirm continued work at this level, or to permit working with them at a lower level.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level#cite_note-BMBLRecs-13)
This level is also used for work with Variola virus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variola_virus)
, the causative agent of smallpox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox)
, though this work is only performed at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention)
in Atlanta, United States, and the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Research_Center_of_Virology_and_Biotechnolog y)
in Koltsovo, Russia.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level#cite_note-BMBLSmallpox-14)

[superquag]

Odd that the Chinese are looking at this.... maybe they watched that '60 minutes' program that featured Alan Smith of NZ...and how he got over a near-fatal bout of Swine Flu...

Vitamin C Infusion for the Treatment of Severe 2019-nCoV Infected Pneumonia - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533)

Note the similarity of dose.
Vitamin C Saves Man Dying of Viral Pneumonia (https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/vitamin-c-saves-man-dying-of-viral-pneumonia/)

Conspiracy or not, it strikes me as "co-incidence" that this Trial is being done in.... Wuhan.

And a bit more background:-
Early Large Dose Intravenous Vitamin C is the Treatment of Choice for 2019-nCov Pneumonia (http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n11.shtml)

[4bee]

It all starts to fall into place now. It is a bit late to Nuke the joint though.


Coronavirus: Why China’s leader is to blame for the outbreak (https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/how-chinese-president-xi-jinping-failed-to-manage-the-coronavirus-outbreak/news-story/1a06e142ed15bf4124a95b1c3f4533e7)

[RANDLOVER]

The biggest killer of scientists at bio-safety labs is "Casual Friday"!

[BBS Guy]

Like many companies, we here at Blackbox Solutions are already suffering parts supply shortages from our China based suppliers, from electronic parts, through the leads we include and right down to the cardboard Boxes we put our products in, because the Chinese government initially imposed restictions on all businesses in an effort to try and contain the spread of this Virus that has certainly now dramatically affected and led to dramatic stock exchange ripples, But non the less the Virus has enivitably now moved beyond countries / borders

The world is of course full of huge concern and opinion on the Corona Virus, But I would like to share my tuppence worth of thoughts via this thread and of course elicit any feedback.

It seems to me that for a very long time now the entire Pharmacutical industry has profited quite handsomely on the back of the very highly priced cost of medication that is often so life or death and requisite to maintaining quality of life, that many have no choice but to pay. Their wealth is so great that they have likely enticed all the best and greatest minds from under funded research facilities.

Even if and when a Vaccine is / may be developed for the Corona Virus, this will still be a profit making opportunity for these Pharamacutical industries / companies that I am fairlty sure they will leverage.

I just think that somehow, these pharmacutical companies should somehow be made to contribute significantly to finding a vaccine / solution ASAP.

Like I said, Just my tuppence worth of thoughts on this subject

[vnx205]

They already do contribute.

It costs them somewhere between $1 billion and $5 billion to develop a new vaccine. The cost varies enormously, but those are typical figures.

There are plenty of articles explaining how costly it is to develop new drugs and how little of drug companies' profits come from vaccines.

Too many people focus on the profits drug companies make, but are quite unaware of just how great their costs are.

[bob10]

Some good news. Statistics indicate children are not getting the worse effects of the virus, but they don't know why.

Who is vulnerable to coronavirus? So far children appear safe (https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2020/03/01/coronavirus-covid-19-children/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200302)

[JDNSW]

The costs to pharmaceutical companies come from three sources.

Money spent on developing drugs that simply fail to work out. This could be because the idea or concept of the drug was wrong, but a lot of work needed to be done before this became obvious, or it could be because someone (either in the same company or elsewhere) came up with something better, or it could be because it failed trials, perhaps because of unacceptable side effects, perhaps because it proved to have too short a shelf life, and so could not be distributed. Regardless of the cause, the company is still left with a lot of expenditure that is never going to be recouped except by profits from drugs that do work out.

The cost of carrying out the trials required before any drug can be marketed. These are very expensive, and probably also in this category are the vast volumes of red tape required by authorities round the world before the drug can be marketed. It should be pointed out that this red tape has invariably been implemented for reasons of public safety, and informed by those previous occasions when problems arose. But that it is justified does not make it any cheaper.

The need to make sufficient profit across the whole range of products to pay the defence costs and any amounts awarded for damages from the company's products. Remembering that damages can be awarded even though the company meets all legal and scientific criteria for safety of their products - and even the best intentions don't always lead to perfect decisions, even in developing pharmaceuticals.

One of the unwanted results of these costs is that companies inevitably prefer to develop remedies that are closely related to, but slightly better than existing remedies, and ones that have a large market, usually because they involve long term medication. If you have something that only requires using a medication for a short time, and especially if it is rare, this medication is never going to recover costs, and if it is even marketed it will have to be at a very high price.

Despite this, most pharmaceutical companies do market some of their products with very low profit margins, and this includes widely used vaccines.

[superquag]

Western Australia has had our first 'COVID-19 related death, a senior (78) gentleman of oriental extraction who was on an infected cruise ship. His Wife (79) has also been admitted to hospital.

Australian dies from coronavirus COVID-19 in Perth after infection on Diamond Princess ship - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-01/australia-records-first-coronavirus-death-perth-man-cruise-ship/12014742)

Very sad for the families.



My Wife was shopping in a relatively wealthy suburb yesterday...and reports the well-known supermarket had already been stripped of ALL....
Toilet paper. [bigsad]

Picked up a script at the same time, and the chemist had almost sold out (of yet another shipment) of 1 litre hand sanitiser.

Tried to buy common-or-garden cheap surgical facemasks ? Or pay for them ??

My dentist - friend tells me they've had to scrabble hard to get two months supply of them.

Why don't we panic about 'Flu ?

Flu deaths 2019 Australia: Three influenza strains causing
deadly flu season | 7NEWS.com.au (https://7news.com.au/news/health/flu-deaths-2019-australia-three-influenza-strains-causing-deadly-flu-season-c-135163)

And overseas.... note the date of report.
With 8,000-Plus Deaths in U.S. Alone, Flu Far More Deadly Than Coronavirus | The Weather Channel (https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/news/2020-01-28-flu-more-deadly-than-coronavirus)

[Tins]

I had an interesting chat with mu GP on Friday. He was incredulous about the panic around this thing. He said the stats were that Covoid-19 was less infectious than SARS, there were at that time only 7 cases in Victoria out of a population of what, 5 million? Four of those were off that ship. You have a greater chance of being hit by a truck, he said.

Sure, he's 'only' a GP, but he knows more than most of us. He says "for the record, we survived SARS". I'll add, we survived bird flu, swine fever.......... etc.

Corona virus is a strain of flu. It will kill people who are susceptible, like all flus. So, if you are old, have respiratory trouble, heart disease, are a smoker or have diabetes maybe take more care than usual. I believe Bob posted a few weeks back for us to get our flu jabs. He was likely correct. I didn't though, so if I die from Covoid-19 you can all say 'I told you so'.

In the mean time I'm not going to worry, and I suggest you all do the same.

[V8Ian]

I had an interesting chat with mu GP on Friday. He was incredulous about the panic around this thing. He said the stats were that Covoid-19 was less infectious than SARS, there were at that time only 7 cases in Victoria out of a population of what, 5 million? Four of those were off that ship. You have a greater chance of being hit by a truck, he said.

Sure, he's 'only' a GP, but he knows more than most of us. He says "for the record, we survived SARS". I'll add, we survived bird flu, swine fever.......... etc.

Corona virus is a strain of flu. It will kill people who are susceptible, like all flus. So, if you are old, have respiratory trouble, heart disease, are a smoker or have diabetes maybe take more care than usual. I believe Bob posted a few weeks back for us to get our flu jabs. He was likely correct. I didn't though, so if I die from Covoid-19 you can all say 'I told you so'.

In the mean time I'm not going to worry, and I suggest you all do the same.
Coincidentally I also saw my GP on Friday, we also discussed Corona. My view mirrored yours, John, it's basically just another 'flu. As he pointed out, the issue is that carriers are infecting the general population for two weeks before any symptoms become apparent, if at all. The number of people with whom an infectious individual could pass it onto becomes exponential. Two weeks is considerably longer than the average viruses.

[Tins]

Coincidentally I also saw my GP on Friday, we also discussed Corona. My view mirrored yours, John, it's basically just another 'flu. As he pointed out, the issue is that carriers are infecting the general population for two weeks before any symptoms become apparent, if at all. The number of people with whom an infectious individual could pass it onto becomes exponential. Two weeks is considerably longer than the average viruses.


Can we then convince the MSM fed populous to stop panicking, Ian? I'm a touch older than you, I believe, and my instinct is to sit tight and let them figure it out themselves.

[roverrescue]

Something to consider when people talk of;

“x”ty million die of Influenza A etc every year. this new “Flu” virus is nothing compared with that. We are over reacting

The simple fact is that Eradicating influenza a etc with it’s associated mortality from the human population is now impossible

However,
Covid 19 has an Ro of just 1.5 (new paper last night) so with good public health and containment of outbreaks It is quite possible that this new virus is able to be halted before it becomes normalised and endemic into the worlds population.

If we do nothing to limit Covid 19 then it will become endemic in the human population and worldwide flu deaths will go from “x”ty to something like 3x or 5x per year.

Next time there is an Ebola outbreak in west Africa should we just let it run its course with no attempt to contain it because it “only” kills a few hundred / thousand people?

I agree the media fuelled panic is a little over the top but the world , taking this seriously and thereby accepting a 10% or 20% write down on the equity markets (that are in all honestly just funny money not tied to the actual real economy) is a small small price to pay to potentially save millions of lives over the next 10-20-30-40 years
The markets will recover
Supply chains will reopen
If we can stop Covid 19 in 2020 then when you or your children get to 70 or 80 whenever that may be your chance of succumbing to a winter flu will be dramatically decreased

As a planet we don’t want covid 19 to become endemic in the human population like Influenza A etc already is.

This is about the long game

Steve

[Tins]

Something to consider when people talk of;

“x”ty million die of Influenza A etc every year. this new “Flu” virus is nothing compared with that. We are over reacting

The simple fact is that Eradicating influenza a etc with it’s associated mortality from the human population is now impossible


This is about the long game

Steve

So, what we said?? Influenza is with us always? Covoid-19 is an influenza virus. Do I have that right?

[roverrescue]

Yes Influenza A and friends is a virus endemic in human population with a mortality rate

Covid 19 is also a virus which has a higher mortality rate but is NOT yet endemic in humans

If we as a planet can contain Covid 19 now when it is in small outbreak stages then in 10 years time we won’t have a “winter flu” mortality rate 3 times or 5 times higher than it is currently

S

[roverrescue]

If public health measures (containment) can drive Covid 19 transmission to an Ro of less than 1.0
It will die out in humans

Sure it may jump again from whatever bat/pig/monkey host it is in endemically
And sure we may need to contain again in the future

That is no different to what is done with Ebola outbreaks

Drive Covid19 out of the human population


If as a planet we do nothing it will multiply to the point that it will never be able to be stopped and our only prevention will be limited efficacy vaccinations

Steve

[101RRS]

The problem is going to be the US and its health system - one person who was sick went to hospital to be tested and came away with a $3200 bill - so now people are not getting tested because of the cost.

[Eevo]

The problem is going to be the US and its health system - one person who was sick went to hospital to be tested and came away with a $3200 bill - so now people are not getting tested because of the cost.


just cough on a rich person.

[V8Ian]

I'm not suggesting that we let corona take its course, but I think all the panicking is OTT.
My understanding is that the mortality rate is about the same for corona as any other 'flu, ~2%. The problem with the new virus is its longer incubation period allows more to become infected before realisation of contraction.
With a common virus an infected patient may spread the virus to x number of people, before becoming aware that they are infectious. With corona and its longer incubation, the infected person has the opportunity to infect 3-4x people, that happens exponentially.

[Eevo]

I'm not suggesting that we let corona take its course, but I think all the panicking is OTT.
My understanding is that the mortality rate is about the same for corona as any other 'flu, ~2%. The problem with the new virus is its longer incubation period allows more to become infected before realisation of contraction.
With a common virus an infected patient may spread the virus to x number of people, before becoming aware that they are infectious. With corona and its longer incubation, the infected person has the opportunity to infect 3-4x people, that happens exponentially.


no, the flu has a CFR of about 0.1-0.2%. so in effect corona is about ten times as deadly.

lets say 1/4 of the earth population is infected, thats 2 billion. at 2% CFR thats 40 million deaths

but i do agree the media coverage is OTT

[ChookD2]

This virus is not strong enough. If every man, woman and child (or whatever you identify as) was to get this virus, approx 7.5+ billion, with a mortality rate of just 1 - 2% this would only lower the population by about 112 million. And it is taking too long.

We need a virus that will take out 3-4 billion and quickly. That would trim us down to about where we were just a short 70 years ago. This is the only way to fix the global problems of over population, pollution, unsustainable growth, Trump and Scotty.

Mother nature will sort us out in the end. But there are too many people on the planet now. It is predicted that the global population will settle somewhere around 11 billion before 2100. How will we feed, water, shelter, another 3 billion+??, particularly if we now see shortages of essentials like food and water. What will it be like over the next 60-70 years? At Australia's current population growth of 1.6%, in 40 years we will have over 40 million! We don't have enough water for the 25 million we have now. Most of you are saying "I won't be around, don't care", my/your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be.

We need a better virus/global catastrophe.

[justinc]

This virus is not strong enough. If every man, woman and child (or whatever you identify as) was to get this virus, approx 7.5+ billion, with a mortality rate of just 1 - 2% this would only lower the population by about 112 million. And it is taking too long.

We need a virus that will take out 3-4 billion and quickly. That would trim us down to about where we were just a short 70 years ago. This is the only way to fix the global problems of over population, pollution, unsustainable growth, Trump and Scotty.

Mother nature will sort us out in the end. But there are too many people on the planet now. It is predicted that the global population will settle somewhere around 11 billion before 2100. How will we feed, water, shelter, another 3 billion+??, particularly if we now see shortages of essentials like food and water. What will it be like over the next 60-70 years? At Australia's current population growth of 1.6%, in 40 years we will have over 40 million! We don't have enough water for the 25 million we have now. Most of you are saying "I won't be around, don't care", my/your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be.

We need a better virus/global catastrophe.


Yup, and as a weird conspiracy theorist point of view, the Covid-19 May well have been engineered... in a lab... for this very purpose....🧐

[JDNSW]

This coronavirus is not "just another variety of flu". Yes, both are coronaviruses, but as others have commented, this is an additional disease added on to the flu season that is on its way.

A recent paper outlines the lethality of COVID19, using data of around 40,000 cases from China, and using the correct methodology of comparing deaths to recovered rather than total cases (with number of cases rapidly increasing, most cases have neither died nor recovered). The figures are interesting. http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

Overall, the mortality rate is around 2%, as has been suggested (twenty times that of flu). But the rate varies markedly with age. There were no deaths among children under ten, but by age 60-69 the rate is 3.6%, 70-79 is 8% and 80+ is 13.8%.

For those of us who are getting a bit long in the tooth, these figures do give rise to concern!

[Eevo]

This coronavirus is not "just another variety of flu". Yes, both are coronaviruses,


the flu (influenza) is not in the corona virus family.

[Johndoe]

I am waiting for it to hit here in the valley. (Morwell)

Having such a high rate of ice users here i wonder.....

If you isolate a junkie they will come off the drug and withdraw. If that happens while they have this virus its likely they will die??

Immune system will be weak from there drug habits.

More importantly, no junkie around here would be put into isolation. They are way to selfish and self absorbed to care about the long term.

Could be a cleansing the world needed perhaps?

[bob10]

Yup, and as a weird conspiracy theorist point of view, the Covid-19 May well have been engineered... in a lab... for this very purpose....🧐

Now you've done it.

[RobMichelle]

Now you've done it.Ah , justin started it [emoji41]
and I thought it was the Chinese prime minister giving trump the bird,[emoji850]

[bob10]

The W.H.O. has designated the virus SARS-COV-2, and the disease that the virus causes COVID-19. If there's any good news, it's that children seem to get only a mild form of it. while elderly with other conditions can get very sick. The disease seems to be more prevalent in the 20-40 year age group. Might be time to load up the camper and sit beside a creek for a couple of weeks/ months.

[bob10]

Coronavirus shut down clears the skies over China. Mother Earth may have had enough.

Coronavirus shutdown leads to clearer skies over China (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/asia-news/2020/03/02/nasa-virus-pollution-china/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM%20Extra%20-%2020200302)

[4bee]

So, who is worried? Concerned, but not worried. Good personal hygiene & awareness will get us through this glitch in history.

Dr Des.[smilebigeye]


Ed.
Yup, and as a weird conspiracy theorist point of view, the Covid-19 May well have been engineered... in a lab... for this very purpose....


Look where it started. A good place to start I think.

[Red90]

People that are saying it is like the flu and not any worse are either not looking or are purposely avoiding the facts.

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

As it sits with the data available the case fatality rate is between 3085/90284 = 3.4% and 3085/45581 = 6.8%. You can argue about the numbers, but it means at least 3% of the cases will require hospital care. This will overrun the hospital care capacity to the point that care for other issues will need to fall causing a secondary death toll.

On average the annual flue case fatality rate is around 0.1% with a 5 to 15% population infection rate. If we reach even 5% infection rate and 2% death rate (best case) we are talking 7.7 million deaths. Worst case is 35 million.

The incubation period is quite long. It is looking like three weeks to recovery and there is evidence of being infectious for two to three weeks. The flu is a week at most.

15% of people with the disease show no symptoms. This means that carriers can not be found due to symptoms. The combination of these items has led most experts in the field to state that the disease can't be contained. It will spread regardless of prevention measures.

On a positive note, children seem to have a very low mortality rate. It only seems to kill adults.

[Pickles2]

Well, I don't have a lot of info on this virus, but I'm becoming increasingly worried about the World situation, and recent statements that there will be a substantial outbreak in Aussie,...."inevitable" is the word I've heard used.
There seems to be no sign of the numbers of new cases subsiding, & people are becoming infected who haven't traveled overseas, cases are starting to pop up randomly. If we do have a substantial outbreak in Aussie, are we capable of countering/containing it?
Obviously the world economy is being affected, but I'm not particularly concerned about that, IMHO our health is our most important asset.
There's been Ebola, & when we traveled to the UK many years ago, they were in the middle of a foot & mouth outbreak, but I don't think I can remember anything as large as this.
So yes, I'm very concerned, particularly as numbers of infections are growing, efforts to contain the disease to date appear to be unsuccessful, and there is no cure.
Pickles.

[Red90]

The experts say it can't be contained as explained above. All you can do is limit the infection rates. If you are old, you want to stay away from all people once it starts to spread in your area.

If the world is lucky, it is seasonal. Unfortunately, that means Australia is screwed as it will follow winter.

[Fatso]

[QUOTE=4bee;2977888]So, who is worried? Concerned, but not worried. Good personal hygiene & awareness will get us through this glitch in history.

If people display the good personal hygiene and awareness as they do on Cruise Ships to prevent Norovirus spreading then we are all at risk . :soapbox:

[roverrescue]

Red90
Like a lot of things it depends

BUT assuming the most recent research released about 24hrs ago is largely accurate that the virus Ro (transmissibility) is about 1.5
Ie for each infected person only 1.5 people will be infected

Now that Ro can be influenced and driven down by good public health measures ie containment

Get the Ro below 1.0 and this particular virus can be contained


Doomsdayers has the Ro pegged at anything up to 5.0 that I read but the most up to date research sits it well lower and in the range of public health containment

Now how feasible is that Nobody knows but plan for the worst hope for the best

Steve

[Johndoe]

People infected and then given the all clear have now been infected a second time.
That is of some concern.

[roverrescue]

No offence to the poster but this has been posted all over the internet but medically lacks enough information to be of any use apart from scare mongering and spreading misinformation

People infected and then given the all clear have now been infected a second time.
That is of some concern.


Define the “first” infection, where they symptomatic?
Define “all clear” no symptoms ? No antibodies on PCR ?
Define “second infection”

Steve

[Johndoe]

Define the “first” infection, where they symptomatic?
Define “all clear” no symptoms ? No antibodies on PCR ?
Define “second infection”

Steve

I was simply quoting ABC mate.
You would need to ask them there definitions.

[4bee]

SCOMO reckons "they" are all prepared & it is 'a piece of cake' (my words).:rolleyes: One wonders if it is the same state of preparedness as they were for the recent fires?[bigsad]

[Red90]

BUT assuming the most recent research released about 24hrs ago is largely accurate that the virus Ro (transmissibility) is about 1.5


Source?

[bob10]

Some good news on the Shares front. Wall St up 4%.


Stocks Surge as Central Banks Vow to Act on Coronavirus Impact - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/business/stock-market-today.html?auth=login-email&campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20200302&instance_id=0&login=email&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=84534669&segment_id=21799&user_id=38b653f59d8a788d2b8029d349fb05f1)

[Pickles2]

SCOMO reckons "they" are all prepared & it is 'a piece of cake' (my words).:rolleyes: One wonders if it is the same state of preparedness as they were for the recent fires?[bigsad]
I'm glad you said "your words", because without getting "Political" & breaking Forum rules, I haven't seen or heard anything from him that could be interpreted as such,....maybe you can supply me with a link.
Actually I think we're doing all we can & also, again, from what I've seen & read, the Opposition & the Govt are very much united in the approach "AUSSIE" is taking,....this thing is MUCH bigger that Politics IMHO, and unless I'm missing something, anyone that brings "Politics" into this is belittling themselves, & the very serious nature of this virus.
So unless someone makes a very serious error of judgement, endangering Aussie lives, I see no "Political" issues relative to this in Aussie at all.
Pickles.

[Red90]

BUT assuming the most recent research released about 24hrs ago is largely accurate that the virus Ro (transmissibility) is about 1.5
Ie for each infected person only 1.5 people will be infected


If this is in reference to the Lancet paper, you or the media that reported does not understand what they did. They are not predicting an R0 of 1.5. They are just saying that if it was 1.5, we may be able to contain it. If it is higher, we won't

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30074-7/fulltext

Most believe the R0 is in the 2 to 3 range. That, in addition to what I already explained about the long incubation time and the high asymptomatic rate means it is not reasonable to contain.

Study of 72,000 COVID-19 patients finds 2.3% death rate | CIDRAP (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate)

[bob10]

A guide to What to know about the Corona virus. There is a lot of misinformation out there. This may clear it all up.




A Guide to What to Know About COVID-19
|
Smart News

| Smithsonian Magazine (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/everything-you-need-know-about-covid-19-180974313/?utm_source=smithsoniandaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200302-daily-responsive&spMailingID=41916148&spUserID=ODU1Njc2OTEyODIyS0&spJobID=1720162288&spReportId=MTcyMDE2MjI4OAS2)

[roverrescue]

Red90 the estimate of 1.5 was from an ID Consultant who did also reference that article in the Lancet.

Re: the re-infection after clearing comment
Clearly the ABC is not above fomenting hysteria!

And with respect to preparedness I am glad that it is our health professionals who are prepared and we will rely on than our politicians. They have had practice with these things! This is not the first nor will it be the last epidemic/pandemic health services are prepared and will pull things off you would never expect.

S

[4bee]

I'm glad you said "your words", because without getting "Political" & breaking Forum rules, I haven't seen or heard anything from him that could be interpreted as such,....maybe you can supply me with a link.
Actually I think we're doing all we can & also, again, from what I've seen & read, the Opposition & the Govt are very much united in the approach "AUSSIE" is taking,....this thing is MUCH bigger that Politics IMHO, and unless I'm missing something, anyone that brings "Politics" into this is belittling themselves, & the very serious nature of this virus.
So unless someone makes a very serious error of judgement, endangering Aussie lives, I see no "Political" issues relative to this in Aussie at all.
Pickles.

NB. The"piece of cake" are my words. The other was Scomo giving a TV interview.

End of.

[Johndoe]

Red90 the estimate of 1.5 was from an ID Consultant who did also reference that article in the Lancet.

Re: the re-infection after clearing comment
Clearly the ABC is not above fomenting hysteria!

And with respect to preparedness I am glad that it is our health professionals who are prepared and we will rely on than our politicians. They have had practice with these things! This is not the first nor will it be the last epidemic/pandemic health services are prepared and will pull things off you would never expect.

S

Woman who recovered from coronavirus tests positive for it again in Japan (https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/woman-who-recovered-from-coronavirus-tests-positive-for-it-again-in-japan/)

Not just ABC it seems.

[p38arover]

My Wife was shopping in a relatively wealthy suburb yesterday...and reports the well-known supermarket had already been stripped of ALL....
Toilet paper. [bigsad]

Picked up a script at the same time, and the chemist had almost sold out (of yet another shipment) of 1 litre hand sanitiser.
Is there a large ethnic Chinese population in that area?


Tried to buy common-or-garden cheap surgical facemasks ? Or pay for them ??

My dentist - friend tells me they've had to scrabble hard to get two months supply of them.

Our doctor daughter is in Japan at the moment and we asked about face masks. She mentioned that once they become damp from one's breath, the moisture provides a transmission path for the virus.


I believe Bob posted a few weeks back for us to get our flu jabs. He was likely correct. I didn't though, so if I die from Covoid-19 you can all say 'I told you so'.

I was at the Dr. last week and asked about the new flu vaccine as we are going to NZ in a couple of weeks. The latest vaccine won't be available until April.

[p38arover]

Most of you are saying "I won't be around, don't care", my/your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be.

Not a problem for me - I don't have any grandchildren. :)

[roverrescue]

Woman who recovered from coronavirus tests positive for it again in Japan (https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/woman-who-recovered-from-coronavirus-tests-positive-for-it-again-in-japan/)

Not just ABC it seems.

I would think most ID experts would be leery of drawing too many conclusions from cases of testing not only from different labs but different countries... the PCr test is not 100% not even close. But having said that these cases highlight how little we know about the virus

Panic is never the right response to lack of knowledge !

Steve

[Red90]

Panic is never the right response to lack of knowledge !

Steve

Over preparation is the correct response. People that are understating the probable events are preventing governments from taking serious action.

[roverrescue]

I totally agree red

I only got involved in this thread (probably against my better judgement) as I am sick of the rhetoric that “it’s not as bad as the flu - nobody cares about the flu mortality why care about Covid19”

Covid19 has the potential to change the future
Decisions preparations and tough measures in 2020 can hopefully limit it from becoming endemic

Whilst those measures are occurring at the pointy end rest assured that your (as tax payers) Australian hospitals are taking the possible downsides very very seriously and they will be prepared for nearly any eventuality.

Calm and measured response is needed
Not hysteria and not wishing it away and ignoring it.

I think we are on the same page red but maybe I’m not explaining myself very well.

Steve

[Pickles2]

I totally agree red

I only got involved in this thread (probably against my better judgement) as I am sick of the rhetoric that “it’s not as bad as the flu - nobody cares about the flu mortality why care about Covid19”

Covid19 has the potential to change the future
Decisions preparations and tough measures in 2020 can hopefully limit it from becoming endemic

Whilst those measures are occurring at the pointy end rest assured that your (as tax payers) Australian hospitals are taking the possible downsides very very seriously and they will be prepared for nearly any eventuality.

Calm and measured response is needed
Not hysteria and not wishing it away and ignoring it.

I think we are on the same page red but maybe I’m not explaining myself very well.

Steve
+1
Pickles.

[superquag]

Is there a large ethnic Chinese population in that area?



Our doctor daughter is in Japan at the moment and we asked about face masks. She mentioned that once they become damp from one's breath, the moisture provides a transmission path for the virus.



I was at the Dr. last week and asked about the new flu vaccine as we are going to NZ in a couple of weeks. The latest vaccine won't be available until April.

Ron, Q1 (Supermarket) "mmmyyyyphhvyyyvhhhiiiiisssssss"... is all I'm permitted to mumble.
Hand Sanitizer:- Not really, demographic more ... people like us... there were still several left on the sparsely populated shelf...

Q2. Face masks. Nurses etc, have known this for ages.

Q3. Good luck with the flu 'vaccine'. Hope they guess the variety(s) correctly !



IF / When you get a nasty dose of the 'flu over there, you may want to know how much - or little - Vit C will be useful. (forget the 'Cancer-Cure' side of things.)
Vitamin C Therapy; Intravenous vs Liposomal (https://cancercompassalternateroute.com/antioxidants-vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-c-therapy/)

Liposomal - C is just as potent as IV administration, and a 15 to 20X cheaper. You'll find that info around the end of the article.

Vit C is also a major component of the (Sepsis therapy) Marik Protocol, - 'Flu doesn't kill you by a runny nose, fever and aching joints... it's usually pneumonia...

[4bee]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by johntins https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/277361-corona-virus-post2977827.html#post2977827)
I believe Bob posted a few weeks back for us to get our flu jabs. He was likely correct. I didn't though, so if I die from Covoid-19 you can all say 'I told you so'.




My understanding is the 'new' Fluvax will be no protection against C19. Totally different animal, so don't hold your breath, or maybe you should.

[JDNSW]

My understanding is the 'new' Fluvax will be no protection against C19. Totally different animal, so don't hold your breath, or maybe you should.

Correct. But bear in mind there is nothing stopping you from getting both infections at the same time, and you probably really would like to avoid this, so the fluvax (available April-May according to my pharmacist today) is probably a good idea, especially if you fall into one of the high risk groups (i.e. old!).

[4bee]

Coronavirus: More Lives Saved Than Lost Due To Lower Air Pollution (https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/coronavirus-coal-power/)

[350RRC]

Correct. But bear in mind there is nothing stopping you from getting both infections at the same time, and you probably really would like to avoid this, so the fluvax (available April-May according to my pharmacist today) is probably a good idea, especially if you fall into one of the high risk groups (i.e. old!).

If you're over 60 you need the pneumonia vaccine because any flu can lead to this common complication which is the biggest killer.

Hardly anyone knows it is available.

cheers, DL

[4bee]

Correct. But bear in mind there is nothing stopping you from getting both infections at the same time, and you probably really would like to avoid this, so the fluvax (available April-May according to my pharmacist today) is probably a good idea, especially if you fall into one of the high risk groups (i.e. old!).


Agreed. We have had Fluvax for years & intend to get the next one in a week or so when available.

The two together would not be pleasant assuming one doesn't cancel out the other.

[bigsad]

If you're over 60 you need the pneumonia vaccine because any flu can lead to this common complication which is the biggest killer.

Hardly anyone knows it is available.


Edit. Obviously our GP does & we have both had it it seems, but thanks for the reminder,DL

[V8Ian]

That's a balanced approach, Des, a needle in each arse. [bigrolf]

[Arapiles]

Coronavirus may have leaked from a Chinese lab (https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-chinese-lab/news-story/0bc7c4f52892eb2e51e788b8e2e45c07)

This story was debunked weeks ago. And the source is dodgy to say the least.

And call me a cynic, but if this was a bioweapon it would be a lot deadlier than it is.

[Arapiles]

Also a bit odd that it escaped from a Biological Warfare Laboratory. What the **** were they playing with this thing for anyway?

Tote, now about those Tinfoil hats, got many in stock?[biggrin]

It's not a bioweapon.

[bob10]

Just got this info passed on from the VVAA. I don't know the original source, but the person who passed it on is completely trustworthy.


Some advice recently received:

FYI

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold.
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a
temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to
the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so
if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon
as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will
kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink
liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for
5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your
eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in
warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasise enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting
3/4 days

2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the
trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days
further.

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.

4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're
drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE.

[bob10]

My understanding is the 'new' Fluvax will be no protection against C19. Totally different animal, so don't hold your breath, or maybe you should.

You do NOT want the flu to go with this virus. Take every precaution.

[superquag]

This story was debunked weeks ago. And the source is dodgy to say the least.

And call me a cynic, but if this was a bioweapon it would be a lot deadlier than it is.


(Putting on a Tin Hat) - "It may yet be...."


Certain Oriental Peoples have a different view of short and long term planning, than we do.

IF it is a a bio-weapon, it's succeeded in the most important areas. Stealth, and projected Terror, with disproportionate disruption.
- Giving a name to it, COVID-19 has become a personification of Evil. Another FEAR generating mechanism.

Imagine the damage done if it had the lethality of, say, (hospital) Sepsis, or Medical Mistakes. But we hear no outrage or panic about either.
Medical Error Action Group | Awareness, Compassion, Action (https://www.medicalerroraustralia.com/)

[Eevo]

CORONA VIRUS WARNING!!!!


I don't want to alarm anyone but the coronavirus will soon spread in an irreversible way.
The first means of contamination are bank notes, don't touch them. Wear gloves and place all notes in a snap lock bag. Leave them in your letterbox and message me your address.
Tomorrow morning I'll come by for collection and take them immediately for destruction.
Im providing this service for free and for the good of our community!

[bob10]

If you're over 60 you need the pneumonia vaccine because any flu can lead to this common complication which is the biggest killer.

Hardly anyone knows it is available.

cheers, DL


If you are over 60 your doctor has the obligation to tell you about it. If you haven't been to the doctor for a long time, lucky you. If the government hasn't informed all over 60's, time to talk to your local member.

[Eevo]

If you are over 60 your doctor has the obligation to tell you about it. .

i think most people know when their over 60 [bigrolf]

[bob10]

i think most people know when their over 60 [bigrolf]


You live in a wonderful World Eevo. [biggrin]

[bob10]

What Australian scientists are doing to fight the virus.



Scientists work around the clock but coronavirus vaccine will take a year (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/03/04/coronavirus-vaccine-timeline/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200304)

[Red90]

9 dead in the USA out of 118 reported cases. So much for that 2% and the bad Chinese health care system.

[4bee]

This story was debunked weeks ago. And the source is dodgy to say the least.

And call me a cynic, but if this was a bioweapon it would be a lot deadlier than it is.


Who debunked it, China? Yeah right. Like one could believe anything out of that country?

A Bio- weapon in it's early stages of development?

[4bee]

That's a balanced approach, Des, a needle in each arse. [bigrolf]


It would make it a tad difficult to get your Daks on with two needles hanging out of ones cheeks.


Much easier to get them in the upper arm like wot I did.[smilebigeye]

[bob10]

Who debunked it, China? Yeah right. Like one could believe anything out of that country?

A Bio- weapon in it's early stages of development?


It's irresponsible to repeat news which is simply not true. WhatsApp will provide you with all the conspiracy theories you need to satisfy your itch for controversy. I think we should leave it out of AULRO.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Heather just came from Woolies supermarket, showed me pics of empty shelves of toilet paper, they did have a stand of 36 roll packs that mainly scores of manly Asian people were raiding, the staff told Heather they are fearing getting assaulted if they put more out. Long life milk is also disappearing fast.
People are selling Toilet rolls on Ebay at inflated prices. I think there is hysteria happening with these so called doomsday preppers. I think there needs to be a limit on these things like they did with baby formula.
I wonder if Bidet Sales have gone through the roof Yet?

[4bee]

Giving a name to it, COVID-19 has become a personification of Evil. Another FEAR generating mechanism.

I think it may have been the Health Authorities who named it that, not the "Originators". After about a week or so after it was made public. We can blame them for a lot, but not that one..[bigsad]

[4bee]

i think most people know when their over 60

As far as that goes, I believe the GPs have a legal obligation to advise the person to have this when they are 60+ as part of the Health System. Then the choice is yours.

[Roverlord off road spares]

CORONA VIRUS WARNING!!!!


I don't want to alarm anyone but the coronavirus will soon spread in an irreversible way.
The first means of contamination are bank notes, don't touch them. Wear gloves and place all notes in a snap lock bag. Leave them in your letterbox and message me your address.
Tomorrow morning I'll come by for collection and take them immediately for destruction.
Im providing this service for free and for the good of our community!

I don't have cash will a dirty credit card number suffice?

[101RRS]

Heather just came from Woolies supermarket, showed me pics of empty shelves of toilet paper, they did have a stand of 36 roll packs that mainly scores of manly Asian people were raiding, the staff told Heather they are fearing getting assaulted if they put more out.

Ok not quite getting this - how is buying toilet paper going to help stave off the coronavirus - yet sometimes diarrhoea is symptom but only sometimes - so why toilet paper?

[Johndoe]

I am a very anti social person.
I find this whole virus situation just makes me hate the world a little bit more.

Might stock pile some beer i think, screw the toilet paper!

[superquag]

I think it may have been the Health Authorities who named it that, not the "Originators". After about a week or so after it was made public. We can blame them for a lot, but not that one..[bigsad]

WHO named it, AFAIK.

[p38arover]

We just did our weekly shop at Woolies.

The toilet paper shelves were bare as were the shelves where hand sanitiser is usually put.

I heard on the radio that Woolies have put a limit of 4 packs of toilet paper customer.

We just got an email from Kpgan pushing their Japanese-style bidet seat. If toilet paper runs out, one might have to buy one of these: Kogan Smart Wash & Dry Electric Toilet Seat - Kogan.com (https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-smart-wash-dry-electric-toilet-seat/?utm_source=MailList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200303_EDM_1_AU_HOME_MSGR_ELECTRICT OILETSEAT&sponsored=0)

[4bee]

I don't have cash will a dirty credit card number suffice?


I should think it's fine provided you also attach a dirty Password #.[bigsmile1]

[4bee]

We just did our weekly shop at Woolies.

The toilet paper shelves were bare as were the shelves where hand sanitiser is usually put.

I heard on the radio that Woolies have put a limit of 4 packs of toilet paper customer.

We just got an email from Kpgan pushing their Japanese-style bidet seat. If toilet paper runs out, one might have to buy one of these: Kogan Smart Wash & Dry Electric Toilet Seat - Kogan.com (https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-smart-wash-dry-electric-toilet-seat/?utm_source=MailList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200303_EDM_1_AU_HOME_MSGR_ELECTRICT OILETSEAT&sponsored=0)

If it plays Handel's Water Music as well it could be nice, Ron.


I wonder whether there will be anyone at the Power Station to run the Gennies?[bigsmile1]

[4bee]

Heather just came from Woolies supermarket, showed me pics of empty shelves of toilet paper, they did have a stand of 36 roll packs that mainly scores of manly Asian people were raiding, the staff told Heather they are fearing getting assaulted if they put more out. Long life milk is also disappearing fast.
People are selling Toilet rolls on Ebay at inflated prices. I think there is hysteria happening with these so called doomsday preppers. I think there needs to be a limit on these things like they did with baby formula.
I wonder if Bidet Sales have gone through the roof Yet?

I see where some has pulled a knife on another customer over a dunny paper tussle. Victoria or NSW I think it was.[bigsad]

[4bee]

Ok not quite getting this - how is buying toilet paper going to help stave off the coronavirus - yet sometimes diarrhoea is symptom but only sometimes - so why toilet paper?


Do you want to go back to the good olde days when we used cut up phone directories hanging on a nail behind the dunny door. FFS you can't even obtain a Phone book these days.[smilebigeye]

Their reasoning as I understand it, is there could be a shortage of many things due to many factors including no Staff or materials etc. to supply it. Remember, it is very early days with this C-19 & no-one can forecast how long it will last before things return to normal but imho it won't be gone in a fortnight & that's for sure..

[4bee]

WHO named it, AFAIK.



Quite probably. I saw the page but didn't notice the originator.

[V8Ian]

We just did our weekly shop at Woolies.

The toilet paper shelves were bare as were the shelves where hand sanitiser is usually put.

I heard on the radio that Woolies have put a limit of 4 packs of toilet paper customer.

We just got an email from Kpgan pushing their Japanese-style bidet seat. If toilet paper runs out, one might have to buy one of these: Kogan Smart Wash & Dry Electric Toilet Seat - Kogan.com (https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-smart-wash-dry-electric-toilet-seat/?utm_source=MailList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200303_EDM_1_AU_HOME_MSGR_ELECTRICT OILETSEAT&sponsored=0)
Displaying such accoutrements as ABS and heated seat, it would quite suit the gentleman, Range Rover class of person.
For the less ostentatious, perhaps a sonic ring cleaner would suffice.

Ultrasonic Ring Jewellery Dentures Bath Cordless for Ultra Sonic Cleaner | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ultrasonic-Ring-Jewellery-Dentures-Bath-Cordless-for-Ultra-Sonic-Cleaner/283672908918?epid=0&hash=item420c391476:g:U-YAAOSwbHpdyl7u&redirect=mobile)

[biggrin]

[4bee]

Displaying such accoutrements as ABS and heated seat, it would quite suit the gentleman, Range Rover class of person.
For the less ostentatious, perhaps a sonic ring cleaner would suffice.

Ultrasonic Ring Jewellery Dentures Bath Cordless for Ultra Sonic Cleaner | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ultrasonic-Ring-Jewellery-Dentures-Bath-Cordless-for-Ultra-Sonic-Cleaner/283672908918?epid=0&hash=item420c391476:g:U-YAAOSwbHpdyl7u&redirect=mobile)

[biggrin]

I wonder if they also do a Timbergrain Finish so one could hang the Purdies on the wall in the same room?

[Saitch]

Do you want to go back to the good olde days when we used cut up phone directories hanging on a nail behind the dunny door. FFS you can't even obtain a Phone book these days.[smilebigeye]


Plenty of 'Climate Change' books around to use to decrease your pooprint.

I wonder if this virus will be ordained to wipe out 75% of the human race, as some predicted with the HIV virus.

In 1976, around 8 people died in the town of Caboolture from a strain of 'flu but it barely got a mention in the media. Imagine the panic created by the current media and current human gullibility, if that happened today!

It was a severe 'flu which kept me bed ridden for three weeks. Haven't had a bad one since, touch wood.

I wonder what the next Armageddon will be?
158401

[DiscoMick]

Do you have enough toilet paper stockpiled to survive two weeks of isolation?

I wonder if sales of Corona beer have been affected?

[rick130]

Ok not quite getting this - how is buying toilet paper going to help stave off the coronavirus - yet sometimes diarrhoea is symptom but only sometimes - so why toilet paper?My local Coles is bare too.

Like you, I just don't get it?

Pack mentality.
People are just crazy...

[rick130]

Do you have enough toilet paper stockpiled to survive two weeks of isolation?

I wonder if sales of Corona beer have been affected?But the numpties aren't buying up big on food, e.g. canned stuff.

[p38arover]

But the numpties aren't buying up big on food, e.g. canned stuff.

I bought 2 cans of Irish Stew today.

[Saitch]

I wonder if sales of Corona beer have been affected?

I did wonder about that too, DM.

I wonder if you did get Corona virus, could you ask for Lymes disease to go with it?

[ChookD2]

158403

I went to my local Coles this afternoon to find the loo roll shelves bare. And I just want what I normally buy because I'm nearly out. Obviously this is what the idiots are doing with it!

[p38arover]

It was reported that Corona beer sales have fallen in the USA - the company reportedly had to try to convince people the beer is safe.

Snopes says the claim is false.

[scarry]

Do you have enough toilet paper stockpiled to survive two weeks of isolation?

We get the paper delivered every day,so once toilet paper runs out, we should be fine,as long as they keep delivering the paper.[thumbsupbig]

There are also a couple of spare packets of A4 paper,under the photo copier/fax machine,so thats good as well.

[RobMichelle]

Fella at Aldi asked if would like a catalogue, I said we better thanks seems ya outta toilet paper.

[4bee]

I wonder if sales of Corona beer have been affected?

Not to mention Toyota Coronas. [biggrin] Oh ****, I just did.

[350RRC]

Ok not quite getting this - how is buying toilet paper going to help stave off the coronavirus - yet sometimes diarrhoea is symptom but only sometimes - so why toilet paper?

Maybe because people have started ****ting themselves about getting the virus. [biggrin]

DL

[4bee]

I bought 2 cans of Irish Stew today.


And I bet you London to a Brick you won't find one Irish person in them.[bigrolf]


How do I know this? I bought a couple of cans of Spaghetti with Sausages from ALDI the other day & guess what?

Yep, Spaghetti, sure(??) & the absence of a Sausage, but some psuedo crap trying to imitate a sausage but looked more like bits of constipated brown dog **** in 1/2" pieces.

[V8Ian]

And I bet you London to a Brick you won't find one Irish person in them.[bigrolf]


How do I know this? I bought a couple of cans of Spaghetti with Sausages from ALDI the other day & guess what?

Yep, Spaghetti, sure(??) & the absence of a Sausage, but some psuedo crap trying to imitate a sausage but looked more like bits of constipated brown dog **** in 1/2" pieces.
Thanks Des, that just put me off me dinner. [bigsad]

[4bee]

Do you have enough toilet paper stockpiled to survive two weeks of isolation?

I wonder if sales of Corona beer have been affected?

News just in. One of the big Paper Mills are working their butts off to meet the unprecedented demand for their arse-wipe. 3 x 8 hour shifts apparently.

Their clients will be so pleased that they are recognisng the **** we are in & their balance **** won't look bad either.

[4bee]

Coronavirus essentials: Is stocking up on toilet paper necessary? | SBS News (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/coronavirus-essentials-is-stocking-up-on-toilet-paper-necessary)

[Ancient Mariner]

https://youtu.be/dKsFUiS8QPM

[JDNSW]

Thinking about the effect of this virus in the USA.

A couple of points to consider.

A significant proportion of workers simply cannot take a fortnight off for for quarantine purposes. Something over 30% of US workers have no sick leave and no leave entitlements. Given the possibility of their being ordered to self-quarantine if diagnosed, how many of these workers are going to even consider getting tested? What is this going to do to the rate of spread of the virus there? And if they get sick and require hospital treatment, around the same proportion have no health insurance. If they are actually treated, they face certain bankruptcy, and loss of their house if they actually own one, or eviction if they are renting.

What is this going to do to the price of houses? And what will be the flow on effect, for example, with foreclosures as other houses become worth less than the amount of the mortgage?

Add these effects, plus the disruption to the supply chains, and what is the US economy going to look like six months from now? And the flow on to other economies, including ours, even though this sort of direct effect should be a lot less here, due to the labour laws and health system.

All this added on to the effects of the loss of tourists and foreign students, and the general loss of income as people avoid large gatherings - and cut spending because of uncertainty.

[Arapiles]

WHO named it, AFAIK.

Yes, WHO named it - by rights they should've called it SARS-19 but they wanted to avoid a panic ....

[W&KO]

Thinking about the effect of this virus in the USA.

A couple of points to consider.

A significant proportion of workers simply cannot take a fortnight off for for quarantine purposes. Something over 30% of US workers have no sick leave and no leave entitlements..

This was an eye opener when I visited a couple of our sites a few years ago. I had to get the manager to confirm I was reading the roster right.

And the wedge between salary and wages staff is massive, I though in AUS is was bad enough but over there hells bells.

[Arapiles]

(Putting on a Tin Hat) - "It may yet be...."

Certain Oriental Peoples have a different view of short and long term planning, than we do.

IF it is a a bio-weapon, it's succeeded in the most important areas. Stealth, and projected Terror, with disproportionate disruption.
- Giving a name to it, COVID-19 has become a personification of Evil. Another FEAR generating mechanism.

Imagine the damage done if it had the lethality of, say, (hospital) Sepsis, or Medical Mistakes. But we hear no outrage or panic about either.
Medical Error Action Group | Awareness, Compassion, Action (https://www.medicalerroraustralia.com/)

I'm presuming that you're being satirical.

[Arapiles]

People infected and then given the all clear have now been infected a second time.
That is of some concern.

BBC dealt with this claim - Google it.

Point is that they may simply have missed the continuing presence of the infection so the person wasn't actually over it. The tests are not that simple and there's all sorts of technical issues.

And from a medical point of view it would be bizarre to fight off an infection - which means that you have at least temporary immunity - and to then be immediately reinfected by the exact same virus you already have immunity to. Can't happen.

[Tote]

Luckily I have enough OP Bundy stockpiled, I can live without bumf if I have to........

Regards,
Tote

[DiscoMick]

Thinking about the effect of this virus in the USA.

A couple of points to consider.

A significant proportion of workers simply cannot take a fortnight off for for quarantine purposes. Something over 30% of US workers have no sick leave and no leave entitlements. Given the possibility of their being ordered to self-quarantine if diagnosed, how many of these workers are going to even consider getting tested? What is this going to do to the rate of spread of the virus there? And if they get sick and require hospital treatment, around the same proportion have no health insurance. If they are actually treated, they face certain bankruptcy, and loss of their house if they actually own one, or eviction if they are renting.

What is this going to do to the price of houses? And what will be the flow on effect, for example, with foreclosures as other houses become worth less than the amount of the mortgage?

Add these effects, plus the disruption to the supply chains, and what is the US economy going to look like six months from now? And the flow on to other economies, including ours, even though this sort of direct effect should be a lot less here, due to the labour laws and health system.

All this added on to the effects of the loss of tourists and foreign students, and the general loss of income as people avoid large gatherings - and cut spending because of uncertainty.And about a third of Australian employees are also casual, part-time or similar and also don't have sick leave and can't afford two weeks off, so it could also cause a lot of hardship here. Fortunately we have Medicare for actual hospital costs.

[Arapiles]

9 dead in the USA out of 118 reported cases. So much for that 2% and the bad Chinese health care system.


Point is, how many unreported cases are there? The US authorities have now gone back and tested people who died last week and belatedly confirmed that they died of SARS-19, so it's been around in the US for a while. The problem is that the CDC stuffed up the diagnostic test and then when they issued a functioning one basically banned it from being used on people who hadn't been in China - so by definition the forced the State medical authorities to miss people who were infected locally, that is community infections. Also, lots of infected people have had mild symptoms.

From the New York Times:

"Vice President Mike Pence said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was lifting all restrictions on testing for coronavirus, and would be releasing new guidelines to fast-track testing for people who fear they have the virus, even if they are displaying mild symptoms.
“Today we will issue new guidance from the C.D.C. that will make it clear that any American can be tested, no restrictions, subject to doctor’s orders,” Mr. Pence told reporters at the White House.
The federal government has promised to significantly ramp up testing, after drawing criticism for strictly limiting testing in the first weeks of the outbreak."

[superquag]

I'm presuming that you're being satirical.

Yes, mainly...not gently either.

The (seeking out an RNA strand and inferring from the results) test for covid-19 is not an accurate one, apparantly, and neither as reliable as TPTB would have us believe.

The Panic Merchants over here (WA) have stripped supermarkets bare of hand Sanitiser and.... drum roll please..... TOILET paper.
Dunno why they think dunny stationery will be in short supply. Or powdered milk.

They are obviously comforted by Quilton et al.

I'm very much 'over' it, --- and we've only had one elderly person pass, one more who tested positive/ feeling unwell. !

[Eevo]

I wonder if sales of Corona beer have been affected?

apparently down 40% i read somewhere

[superquag]

Point is, how many unreported cases are there? The US authorities have now gone back and tested people who died last week and belatedly confirmed that they died of SARS-19, so it's been around in the US for a while. The problem is that the CDC stuffed up the diagnostic test and then when they issued a functioning one basically banned it from being used on people who hadn't been in China - so by definition the forced the State medical authorities to miss people who were infected locally, that is community infections. Also, lots of infected people have had mild symptoms.

From the New York Times:

"Vice President Mike Pence said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was lifting all restrictions on testing for coronavirus, and would be releasing new guidelines to fast-track testing for people who fear they have the virus, even if they are displaying mild symptoms.
“Today we will issue new guidance from the C.D.C. that will make it clear that any American can be tested, no restrictions, subject to doctor’s orders,” Mr. Pence told reporters at the White House.
The federal government has promised to significantly ramp up testing, after drawing criticism for strictly limiting testing in the first weeks of the outbreak."

Interest and willingness for Testing will follow 'Availability' of the testing paraphenalia, - Someone has to invent /produce / Then ramp up production to meet demand... or to generate demand. And make profits all round.....................

- Now THAT's cynical !!!!

Other comment about the reliability of current testing :- Coronavirus: a reliable test is badly needed. We don’t have one | HealthInsightUK (http://healthinsightuk.org/2020/02/12/coronavirus-a-reliable-test-is-badly-needed-we-dont-have-one/)

[scarry]

And about a third of Australian employees are also casual, part-time or similar and also don't have sick leave and can't afford two weeks off, so it could also cause a lot of hardship here. Fortunately we have Medicare for actual hospital costs.

It helps,but there always seems to be some sort of gap or something that you have to pay.

In fact as more and more drop out of private cover,it is actually overloading the public system.

And even with private cover,if you go to say Greenslopes hospital,as an example,they want $200 before they will see you.

[superquag]

Yep, got sucked into using some of my private cover in a public hospital for the head surgery, - lots of out of pocket extras.

Same with CABG'ing, Fully private hospital, thousands for tests and stuff NOT covered by middle of the road cover... (But I ordered and GOT bacon & eggs breakfast)

Appendicitis in public hospital as public emergency patient. NO extra$

- I'm beginning to see a pattern...

[Saitch]

https://youtu.be/dKsFUiS8QPM

This shouldn't concern one Kim Jong-Un as, apparently, he doesn't defaecate.

Wait a minute, North Korea is a puppet state of China so, my mind has a conspiracy theory evolving.

Stay tuned...………………………………..or smelly.

[p38arover]

There are also a couple of spare packets of A4 paper,under the photo copier/fax machine,so thats good as well.

Isn't a phone book softer? Besides, who uses a phone book any more?

[Arapiles]

WHO

Coronavirus disease 2019 (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019)

Global Biodefense

https://globalbiodefense.com/novel-coronavirus-covid-19-portal/

Federal Govt

Coronavirus (COVID-19) health alert | Australian Government Department of Health (https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert)

Coronavirus (COVID-19) | Australian Government Department of Health (https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov)

Victoria

For the Victorian public - coronavirus disease (COVID-19) | Department of Health and Human Services Victoria (https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/victorian-public-coronavirus-disease-covid-19)

NSW

COVID-19 - Diseases (https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/diseases/Pages/coronavirus.aspx)
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/diseases/Pages/coronavirus-resources.aspx

SA

https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/health+topics/health+topics+a+-+z/novel+coronavirus

WA

https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/A_E/Coronavirus

NT

https://health.nt.gov.au/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-covid-19

ACT

https://health.act.gov.au/public-health-alert/updated-information-about-covid-19

Qld

https://www.health.qld.gov.au/clinical-practice/guidelines-procedures/diseases-infection/diseases/coronavirus

Tas

https://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/news/2020/coronavirus_update


ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/coronavirus/

NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/coronavirus

[Arapiles]

Where the coronavirus bioweapon conspiracy theories really come from. (https://slate.com/technology/2020/02/coronavirus-bioweapon-conspiracy-theories.html)


"Conspiracy theories infect us faster than the virus itself, it seems."

[ChookD2]

A significant proportion of workers simply cannot take a fortnight off for for quarantine purposes. Something over 30% of US workers have no sick leave and no leave entitlements. Given the possibility of their being ordered to self-quarantine if diagnosed, how many of these workers are going to even consider getting tested? What is this going to do to the rate of spread of the virus there? And if they get sick and require hospital treatment, around the same proportion have no health insurance. If they are actually treated, they face certain bankruptcy, and loss of their house if they actually own one, or eviction if they are renting.

I am employed, like many many others in this "profit before all else" ecomomy, as a casual with all the added perks. No annual leave, no sick leave, basically no leave. So if I, or someone in my situation, is required to "self quarantine" or worse, is hospitalised, will we still have a job to go back too? In a lot of circumstances I would say 'no' because there is always someone else and probably a queue, to fill the position. What of those (and here I'm talking about the legit recipients, not those that sit at home with their hand out) on centrelink allowances? Do they get cut off because they cannot look for work, attend appointments, or work for the dole? I know you can provide a medical certificate for illness but for how long?

The industry I work in relies heavily on imported goods from, you guessed it, China. If China remains closed for a significant length of time then we will eventually have limited goods for sale and therefore my continued employment will be in danger. What will the grubberment do to protect me? My guess is SFA! (Hope that is not construed as political.) We are in the fortunate position to own our house but I still have bills to pay, and Newstart is not going cut it.

My employer is already complaining about the wages bill due to the down turn in the retail sector (post christmas) as many stores don't/can't make budgets. This virus maybe the straw that breaks the global economic camel's back. Or at least Australia's because the only thing we manufacture here is toilet paper.

[superquag]

"... because the only thing we manufacture here is toilet paper...."

From imported pulp.... but at least from continental US West Coastal areas... NOT China ! [biggrin]

[Arapiles]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/01/29/experts-debunk-fringe-theory-linking-chinas-coronavirus-weapons-research/


Elsa Kania, a fellow at the Center for a New American Security, said that while Chinese officials had expressed public interest in the potential weaponization of biotechnology, a coronavirus would not be a useful weapon.

“Hypothetically, a bioweapon would be designed to be highly targeted in its effects, whereas since its outbreak the coronavirus is already on track to become widespread in China and worldwide,” she said.


Vipin Narang, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote in a message on Twitter that a good bioweapon (https://twitter.com/NarangVipin/status/1220905405141913600) “in theory has high lethality but low, not [high], communicability” and that spreading such ideas would be “incredibly irresponsible.”

After the 2014 Ebola outbreak, fringe news outlets suggested spuriously that the U.S. Department of Defense (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/26/an-american-professor-is-telling-liberians-that-the-u-s-manufactured-ebola-outbreak/'tid=lk_inline_manual_36&itid=lk_inline_manual_36) had manufactured the virus. In the Soviet Union, military labs (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2014/10/23/ce409716-5945-11e4-b812-38518ae74c67_story.html'tid=lk_inline_manual_36&itid=lk_inline_manual_36)did look into whether the virus could be used as a weapon but ultimately abandoned those hopes.

Late Tuesday, Hu Xijin, editor of the nationalistic Global Times (https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT)newspaper, wrote that a conspiracy theory had emerged in China that the United States was responsible for the outbreak. “Their logic: Why always China?” Hu wrote on Twitter. “But most Chinese don’t believe it.”

[ramblingboy42]

I've already had Corona virus , drank too many and apparently was eating the lime as well.

[ChookD2]

"... because the only thing we manufacture here is toilet paper...."

From imported pulp.... but at least from continental US West Coastal areas... NOT China ! [biggrin]

Well at least we won't get a corona virarse. [biggrin]

[Red90]

Point is, how many unreported cases are there?

Well if we use that logic and the death rate is less than 2%, then there are at least 400 unconfirmed cases in that area of Washington and have been for a week or two. If that is the case, they are well beyond any chance of containment.

[Eevo]

"Where are we going Piglet?" asked Pooh.


"We need to get supplies," said Piglet. "For the Coronavirus"


"Ahh," said Pooh, nodding in understanding. "Things like bread, milk, cough mixture, tissues and cat litter even though we don't have a cat?"


Piglet did a little laugh, and a sort of leap and bit of a cough. "No," said Piglet. "No, those aren't the sort of supplies we need at all! What we need are family sized bags of chocolate buttons, massive toblerone, jelly babies and crunchies and a freezer full of stuffed crust pizzas, and all of the Prosecco that we can possibly carry, so that when we get quarantined we won't mind it even slightly. THOSE are supplies."


All of a sudden, Pooh thought that the idea of coronavirus didn't seem quite so bad, and actually, getting quarantined with Piglet and their supplies really didn't sound such a terrible thing after all. "Oh Piglet," said Pooh. "I really do think you are a very wise animal."

[Johndoe]

BBC dealt with this claim - Google it.

Point is that they may simply have missed the continuing presence of the infection so the person wasn't actually over it. The tests are not that simple and there's all sorts of technical issues.

And from a medical point of view it would be bizarre to fight off an infection - which means that you have at least temporary immunity - and to then be immediately reinfected by the exact same virus you already have immunity to. Can't happen.


Google it you say fine sir?

Two Bizzare New Coronavirus Cases Stroke Global Pandemic Fears (https://www.ccn.com/two-bizzare-new-coronavirus-cases-stroke-global-pandemic-fears/)

Consider that googled. Read down the page a bit.

[Arapiles]

Well if we use that logic and the death rate is less than 2%, then there are at least 400 unconfirmed cases in that area of Washington and have been for a week or two. If that is the case, they are well beyond any chance of containment.

Which is why the Australian government was referring to their concern about the death rate in Iran - not because the virus seemed deadlier there but because, presuming that the death rate is the same as elsewhere, the number of deaths suggested that there were way more infections than they were admitting to.

[Arapiles]

Google it you say fine sir?

Two Bizzare New Coronavirus Cases Stroke Global Pandemic Fears (https://www.ccn.com/two-bizzare-new-coronavirus-cases-stroke-global-pandemic-fears/)

Consider that googled. Read down the page a bit.

COVID-19: Can you be infected with coronavirus more than once? - National | Globalnews.ca (https://globalnews.ca/news/6623287/coronavirus-multiple-infections/)

Might not have been detected so not actually clear .... more worryingly, could be "biphasic", in which case every cure might not be the case.

And, if they're contagious during the latent phase ....

[Johndoe]

I like that doctors take on it in the link you supplied Arapiles.

That a very mild case will give a small immune response and potentially allow another infection to take place.
Seems logical i guess.

I dont like this part.


He said what is more likely to have happened is that the patients had low levels of the virus in their system when they were discharged by the hospital and that testing had failed to detect it.

If hospitals are missing it then spread is unable to be controlled?

On a slightly funnier side. Anyone see the dunny roll truck catch fire? Surprised drivers by did not try take some burning treasure.

[Johndoe]

With all this hysteria we need some level heads.

I propose a little game of sorts if AULRO management agrees?


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[Pickles2]

Like everyone on here I guess, I've been following the "development" of this for the last few months.
But the seriousness of it I suppose, has really began to "sink in" / play on my mind during the last couple of days.
I reckon the Aussie "Powers That Be", whoever they are, are doing all that they can to protect us, but Jeez, increasing numbers of infections, now starting to "spring up" anywhere, with no cure, and the effect it's having on the World economy is like nothing else that I can remember.
Just some of my thoughts, Pickles

[Johndoe]

Like everyone on here I guess, I've been following the "development" of this for the last few months.
But the seriousness of it I suppose, has really began to "sink in" / play on my mind during the last couple of days.
I reckon the Aussie "Powers That Be", whoever they are, are doing all that they can to protect us, but Jeez, increasing numbers of infections, now starting to "spring up" anywhere, with no cure, and the effect it's having on the World economy is like nothing else that I can remember.
Just some of my thoughts, Pickles

Truth be told, me my family and my mates seem to talk about one thing and its this bloody virus.
My wife kept all the kids home from school today and likely tomorrow because she is rather concerned.

I know its just a cold like virus, but that said i DO NOT want my kids to get it regardless.
Guess we all think the same in that regard.

[Eevo]

******URGENT RECALL*******


Supermarkets are currently recalling toilet paper as the cardboard roll inserts are imported from China and there are strong fears the cardboard has been contaminated with the coronavirus.


The most recent purchases are deemed most likely to be contaminated.


If you have recently brought bulk supplies you are now at risk ...return that toilet paper and apply deep heat directly to your anus to kill any infection ..don't wait till it's too late!

[DiscoMick]

Still only one case in Tassie.

It is getting serious though. The release of the latest Bond film has been delayed until November because people are afraid to go to theatres. Even Bond us afraid of a virus.

[bob10]

Explainer. The Australian government powers to quarantine people in a coronavirus outbreak. People who do not comply to a control order, or escape from detention, can be charged with a criminal offence , and be jailed for up to 5 years.


Explainer: what are the Australian government's powers to quarantine people in a coronavirus outbreak? (https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-are-the-australian-governments-powers-to-quarantine-people-in-a-coronavirus-outbreak-132877?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20f or%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835+CID_4ee27ad09c4085a9579244ba5bd45c40&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=Explainer%20what%20are%20the%20Australian %20governments%20powers%20to%20quarantine%20people %20in%20a%20coronavirus%20outbreak)

[JDNSW]

Truth be told, me my family and my mates seem to talk about one thing and its this bloody virus.
My wife kept all the kids home from school today and likely tomorrow because she is rather concerned.

I know its just a cold like virus, but that said i DO NOT want my kids to get it regardless.
Guess we all think the same in that regard.

The kids are least at risk - there have been zero deaths for under 10, and almost none for 10-20. And very few cases among children.

Death rate climbs for over fifties, and skyrockets over 70.

The WHO reports that contrary to expectation, they are not finding many unreported cases in China, implying that the number of known cases is close to the real number, meaning that the reported death rates from China (which is where data is mostly coming from) is fairly close to what we can expect.

On the other hand, Italy, which has pretty good health services, is reporting a much higher death rate, strongly suggesting that there are a lot of undetected cases. And as for Iran, which also has a high death rate, I don't think anyone expects accurate data from there - not so much because of deliberately misleading data from the government, but because few Iranians trust the government, and hence it is likely that most cases are not reported to the authorities unless they are either dead or critically ill. Which, of course, will help its spread!

[Johndoe]

Explainer. The Australian government powers to quarantine people in a coronavirus outbreak. People who do not comply to a control order, or escape from detention, can be charged with a criminal offence , and be jailed for up to 5 years.


Explainer: what are the Australian government's powers to quarantine people in a coronavirus outbreak? (https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-are-the-australian-governments-powers-to-quarantine-people-in-a-coronavirus-outbreak-132877?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20f or%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835+CID_4ee27ad09c4085a9579244ba5bd45c40&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=Explainer%20what%20are%20the%20Australian %20governments%20powers%20to%20quarantine%20people %20in%20a%20coronavirus%20outbreak)


I love the bit at the bottom of that.


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[bob10]

I love the bit at the bottom of that.



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[4bee]

I've just rumbled it!

C-19 was deliberately started by the Toilet Paper manufacturers because they knew Human Nature would create a panic rush on their products.
Well, I reckon it is as good as all the other theories that are bouncing around.[biggrin] [biggrin] [biggrin]

If you believe that **** you'll believe anything.

[bob10]

like most people I ask myself " why toilet paper " Here is an attempt to provide a rational answer.

Why are people stockpiling toilet paper? We asked four experts (https://theconversation.com/why-are-people-stockpiling-toilet-paper-we-asked-four-experts-132975?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20f or%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835+CID_4ee27ad09c4085a9579244ba5bd45c40&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=Why%20are%20people%20stockpiling%20toilet %20paper%20We%20asked%20four%20experts)




https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/836733/width170/image-20191021-56207-1b0ws3v.jpg Michael Lucy (https://theconversation.com/au/team#michael-lucy) Deputy Science + Technology Editor



Interviewed

https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/133860/width170/image-20190819-123749-o31dvf.jpg Alex Russell (https://theconversation.com/profiles/alex-russell-133860) Senior Postdoctoral Fellow, CQUniversity Australia

https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/625635/width170/file-20181212-110246-oj1wk2.jpg Brian Robert Cook (https://theconversation.com/profiles/brian-robert-cook-625635) Senior Lecturer, University of Melbourne

https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/94980/width170/9mtyr9ns-1369807863.jpg David A. Savage (https://theconversation.com/profiles/david-a-savage-94980) Associate Professor of Behavioural Economics , Newcastle Business School, University of Newcastle

https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/983975/width170/5cee0377c6c6b-bpfull.jpg Niki Edwards (https://theconversation.com/profiles/niki-edwards-983975) Senior Lecturer, Queensland University of Technology

[rick130]

I've just rumbled it!

C-19 was deliberately started by the Toilet Paper manufacturers because they knew Human Nature would create a panic rush on their products.
Well, I reckon it is as good as all the other theories that are bouncing around.[biggrin] [biggrin] [biggrin]

If you believe that **** you'll believe anything.It's as fine a conspiracy theory as any getting around YouTube, young Desmond. [emoji23][emoji23]

[Saitch]

like most people I ask myself " why toilet paper " Here is an attempt to provide a rational answer.

Why are people stockpiling toilet paper? We asked four experts (https://theconversation.com/why-are-people-stockpiling-toilet-paper-we-asked-four-experts-132975?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20f or%20March%205%202020%20-%201552614835+CID_4ee27ad09c4085a9579244ba5bd45c40&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=Why%20are%20people%20stockpiling%20toilet %20paper%20We%20asked%20four%20experts)




https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/836733/width170/image-20191021-56207-1b0ws3v.jpg Michael Lucy (https://theconversation.com/au/team#michael-lucy) Deputy Science + Technology Editor


Interviewed



https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/133860/width170/image-20190819-123749-o31dvf.jpg Alex Russell (https://theconversation.com/profiles/alex-russell-133860) Senior Postdoctoral Fellow, CQUniversity Australia
https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/625635/width170/file-20181212-110246-oj1wk2.jpg Brian Robert Cook (https://theconversation.com/profiles/brian-robert-cook-625635) Senior Lecturer, University of Melbourne
https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/94980/width170/9mtyr9ns-1369807863.jpg David A. Savage (https://theconversation.com/profiles/david-a-savage-94980) Associate Professor of Behavioural Economics , Newcastle Business School, University of Newcastle
https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/983975/width170/5cee0377c6c6b-bpfull.jpg Niki Edwards (https://theconversation.com/profiles/niki-edwards-983975) Senior Lecturer, Queensland University of Technology




My attempt at an explanation, if asked, would be along the lines:
" A characteristic of today's populace, with Ovine like behavioural patterns, brought on by exaggerated press media reports, social media misinformation and a total absence of common sense."

[4bee]

It's as fine a conspiracy theory as any getting around YouTube, young Desmond. [emoji23][emoji23]


Wot you sayin' Willis, mine is not an original thought?


There is a surprise. [biggrin]

[Johndoe]

like most people I ask myself " why toilet paper "







Snowball effect i guess.
If you notice something is being purchased on mass and its something you use then its a case of get in before there gone.
I have a whole heap of poopers in my house on any given day so need quite a lot of the soft stuff. 12 rolls a week is not uncommon.

Be a messy place if we cant get dunny roll so if wifey sees dunny roll she is buying it up like everyone else............

Me like i have already said, if im gunna stockpile anything it will be beer. Yet surprisingly there is no heavy demand for that yet.

[trout1105]

At any one time we have at least 6 months supply on hand of meat, tinned veggies, dry goods and toiletries .
The Only things I would consider "Stockpiling" is fuel, beer and ciggies in the case of a SHTF situation. [biggrin][thumbsupbig]
Dunny rolls are pretty low on my list of absolute necessities .

[4bee]

Just to add a bit of levity to the discussion.

Coronavirus: Toilet paper frenzy, insane reality revealed by Melbourne mum (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/blogger-reveals-ridiculous-reality-of-toilet-paper-frenzy/news-story/5d5aceee222d35e4515d4df8197e226b?utm_source=news.c om.au%20%E2%80%94%20Australia%E2%80%99s%20#1%20new s%20site&utm_mediam=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=281419139)

[DiscoMick]

Dr Karl had some not so cheery news on the radio today. He predicts 1% of the global population will die of coronovirus within 18 months.
He said 40-70% of people will catch it and 2% of them will die, so that's about 1% of the total.
So there you go.
Incidentally he also said people should take the long view because in 5 billion years the Earth will be sucked into the Sun anyway.
So there's also that to look forward too.

[BradC]

He said 40-70% of people will catch it and 2% of them will die, so that's about 1% of the total.

4 weeks ago the fatality rate was ~2.5% of infection. Today it's 3.4%.

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It's interesting to watch (for a certain definition of "interesting"). Frankly I think toilet paper is going to be the least of our worries, the conspiracy theories are always amusing though.

[Eevo]

Special Lotto draw tonight - first division prize One million rolls of toilet paper.

[DiscoMick]

The death rate seems to depend on how extensively the population has been tested. The more you test the more you find. Complacency and political repression affect the results.
China seems to have done well, as has South Korea, but Japan and Iran have done poorly and the USA is well behind the curve too.

[Eevo]

4 weeks ago the fatality rate was ~2.5% of infection. Today it's 3.4%.

real value is closer to 5.8%

[BradC]

real value is closer to 5.8%

I don't deal in facts. "Puts fingers in ears and sings la-la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you-meanie-poo-la-la-la-la"

Yeah, it's not good. I have a 4 year old severely immuno-compromised feral. I have two main consolations. One, he's in an infection-controlled environment and two there don't appear to be any serious cases affecting children.

[JDNSW]

There are no deaths (so far) for children under ten.

Mortality rate is difficult to get a handle on while the number of cases is increasing rapidly - as it has been ever since this started. The only really accurate way of getting it is by comparing the number who have recovered to the number who have died. But this is going to be distorted according by the different time taken (on average) to die versus to recover, and we probably have no good handle on this and are unlikely to until the number of active cases becomes steady (which may be a year away).

Regardless, it is, from the data we have so far, clear that the rate is over 1%, quite possibly well over. In China, it has decreased from an initial 17% to 3.8%, but this probably reflects that only the most serious cases were identified at first, as well as improvements in care as more has been learned about the disease.

What is clear, is that it is usually only serious in those over about fifty and/or those with other medical problems. Above 70, it climbs rapidly, and over 80 is close to 15%. To a significant extent, this probably reflects that the older patients are more likely to have other medical problems.

From the Chinese data, men are about twice as likely to die as women, but this may reflect the relative smoking rates between the sexes in China.

[DiscoMick]

Poor people are more likely to die.
Old people are more likely to die.
People with other conditions are more vulnerable.
Poor old people with the flu are cactus.
Definitely getting the flu shot ASAP.
[emoji15]

Good news is it seems relatively safe here in Tassie. Plenty of toilet paper too.

[4bee]

Dr Karl had some not so cheery news on the radio today. He predicts 1% of the global population will die of coronovirus within 18 months.
He said 40-70% of people will catch it and 2% of them will die, so that's about 1% of the total.
So there you go.
Incidentally he also said people should take the long view because in 5 billion years the Earth will be sucked into the Sun anyway.
So there's also that to look forward too.




Incidentally he also said people should take the long view because in 5 billion years the Earth will be sucked into the Sun anyway.
So there's also that to look forward too.


For those who plan on being Cremated can rest easy now then? Bloody good that, it saves on Funeral Director's fees. Robbing bastards!

Right, now to find a place to stockpile the stiffs for 5 Billion years.


I know, we can bury them & dig them up later.




Wait a mo, I detect there may be a flaw in my plan.:wallbash::Rolling:

[DiscoMick]

Cremating adds to global emissions.
Better pick a spot and pre-dig a hole.
It is legal to be buried on your own property, but there is a process and no doubt the local council will want a fee.
We have a nice spot in the front garden, right in the middle of our flash new septic system, which already contains the wife's dog and a couple of chooks, so that might do. I'll tell the wife the excavation is for a frog pond. [emoji6]

[4bee]

He may have a problem if some are still kicking in 5 Billion years.

I reckon they could sue him for Unnecessary worry & out of pocket expenses for all the Dunny Paper etc we may have purchased.

I'm sure there could be a few more charges that he could be hit with.[biggrin]


Cremating adds to global emissions.


Will any of us give a flying **** about that & the legal procedure to be buried on one's own land? Let 'em sue us, they will wait a long time to be paid.[biggrin]


"Mr bee? No he's not in & we are not expecting him back anytime soon? Can I take a message for him?":Rolling:






She will say "Mick you bastard, if it is for Frogs why are you taking my measurements?"

[DiscoMick]

I'll install the frog pond. Then, when the time comes, I'll just fill in the hole. [emoji41]

[bob10]

Coronavirus briefing, N.Y. Times

Coronavirus Briefing: School Closings (https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?uri=nyt://newsletter/b1de8072-2e49-4dd0-8135-307998970c1c&productCode=CB&te=1&nl=coronavirus-briefing&emc=edit_cb_20200304&campaign_id=154&instance_id=16486&segment_id=21875&user_id=38b653f59d8a788d2b8029d349fb05f1&regi_id=84534669)







If you’re in China and think you might have coronavirus, what do they do?






You would be sent to a fever clinic. They would take your temperature, your symptoms, medical history, ask where you’d traveled, your contact with anyone infected. They’d whip you through a CT scan. … Each machine did maybe 200 a day. A typical hospital in the West does one or two an hour.






Who pays for testing and treatment?






The government made it clear: Testing is free. And if it was Covid-19, when your insurance ended, the state picked up everything.






In the United States, that’s a barrier to speed. People think: “If I see my doctor, it’s going to cost me $100. If I end up in the I.C.U., what’s it going to cost me?” That’ll kill you.

[Eevo]

Police have tasered a man after an argument broke out over toilet paper at a Big W in a regional NSW town.
Toilet paper shortage: Man tasered after alleged assault at Big W (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/police-taser-man-after-fight-over-toilet-paper-breaks-out-in-big-w/news-story/53de5794a49274c44558651d6712df71)

[p38arover]

Truck carrying load of toilet paper catches fire in Brissie. [bigsmile]

Truck carrying toilet paper goes up in flames on Brisbane's Gateway Bridge - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-05/toilet-paper-truck-catches-fire-brisbane/12027262)

[drivesafe]

This should be a money maker.

158427

[V8Ian]

Truck carrying load of toilet paper catches fire in Brissie. [bigsmile]

Truck carrying toilet paper goes up in flames on Brisbane's Gateway Bridge - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-05/toilet-paper-truck-catches-fire-brisbane/12027262)
Typical media beat-up, the truck was carrying groceries, including bum fodder.

[drivesafe]

I in the ****e, I just rang the wife to tell her that while I was in the pub, someone sneezed and now we are all quarantined here for 14 days.

She’s not happy jan!

[bob10]

A member from NZ posted that masks and suits etc were organised for the NZ medical centres, ready for use. There is a report our GP's are buying masks from Bunnings, if they have any. Of course this could be fake news. Or not.

Coronavirus panic-buying may force GPs, dentists to shut their doors (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/03/05/virus-doctors-dentists-masks/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM%20Extra%20-%2020200305)

[Eevo]

nothing to see here

[trout1105]

Isn't the waiting room at the dentist or doctors surgery the Very BEST place to pick up the flue/virus of the moment [bigwhistle]
Unless I have a broken bone, chronic tooth ache or a deep laceration these are the LAST places I would be hanging out at[biggrin]

[Eevo]

actually, the best time to get sick is now while cases are low. you'll get a lot of attention and have a good chance of surviving.

compare that to 6 months time when half of australia is sick, you'll get no attention and your on your own.

[bob10]

Isn't the waiting room at the dentist or doctors surgery the Very BEST place to pick up the flue/virus of the moment [bigwhistle]
Unless I have a broken bone, chronic tooth ache or a deep laceration these are the LAST places I would be hanging out at[biggrin]

So, if you get sick where would you go? Answer to your question, no one has presented at our medical centre with the symptoms of coronavirus yet. But if they did, I would hope our doctors were equipped with the best equipment to guarantee their safety. After all, we need them more than they need us. As for the dentist, present with any problem, they will not treat you without proper safety gear.

[scarry]

Anyway,at least we are still on topic,for once..[bighmmm][biggrin]

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16247049/640/16247049.jpg (https://picturepush.com/public/16247049)

[V8Ian]

Anyway,at least we are still on topic,for once..[bighmmm][biggrin]

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16247049/640/16247049.jpg (https://picturepush.com/public/16247049)
'Bout time you trimmed ya whiskers, Paul. [wink11]

[Johndoe]

A member from NZ posted that masks and suits etc were organised for the NZ medical centres, ready for use. There is a report our GP's are buying masks from Bunnings, if they have any. Of course this could be fake news. Or not.

Coronavirus panic-buying may force GPs, dentists to shut their doors (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/03/05/virus-doctors-dentists-masks/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM%20Extra%20-%2020200305)


Our Government started stockpiling masks and hand sanitiser weeks ago!
20 odd million of each i believe.
Pitty there not smart enough to give them to the local quacks who are first to be infected.

Thankfully a lengthy costly inquiry at the end of this will sort out the problem.

[Stuck]

Corona ???. I'm more looking at like a general Toyota mentality type virus. "Everyone's buying toilet paper so i'll buy toilet paper too". :wallbash:

[Eevo]

something different
HIV & Ebola-Like Mutations Suggest Coronavirus Leaked From a Lab (https://www.ccn.com/hiv-ebola-like-mutations-suggest-coronavirus-leaked-from-a-lab/)

[bob10]

Our Government started stockpiling masks and hand sanitiser weeks ago!
20 odd million of each i believe.
Pitty there not smart enough to give them to the local quacks who are first to be infected.

Thankfully a lengthy costly inquiry at the end of this will sort out the problem.

To their defence, I'm thinking they have to wait to see where the epicentre of the outbreak will be, and muster their defences there. The worrying thing for me, is the fact the coronavirus is controlled by heat over 27 degrees, according to " experts " The Northern Hemisphere is in their winter, probably why the majority of cases are there. Here's hoping we have it sorted before our winter.

[Arapiles]

Isn't the waiting room at the dentist or doctors surgery the Very BEST place to pick up the flue/virus of the moment [bigwhistle]
Unless I have a broken bone, chronic tooth ache or a deep laceration these are the LAST places I would be hanging out at[biggrin]

And if you suspect that you have coronavirus you specifically don't go into the waiting room - you ring ahead and they prepare for your arrival.

[bob10]

something different
HIV & Ebola-Like Mutations Suggest Coronavirus Leaked From a Lab (https://www.ccn.com/hiv-ebola-like-mutations-suggest-coronavirus-leaked-from-a-lab/)

I'll see you your conspiracy theory, and raise you.....A BAT. back to surfing the web, I'm sure you'll find another conspiracy some where.

Did coronavirus originate in Chinese government laboratory? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009669/Did-coronavirus-originate-Chinese-government-laboratory.html)

[Bulletman]

To their defence, I'm thinking they have to wait to see where the epicentre of the outbreak will be, and muster their defences there. The worrying thing for me, is the fact the coronavirus is controlled by heat over 27 degrees, according to " experts " The Northern Hemisphere is in their winter, probably why the majority of cases are there. Here's hoping we have it sorted before our winter.

So those of us who live in the hot climates need to turn off our air cons,.... mmm can see that going down well with joe public...

Bloke who was supposed to be self quarantined decides to go shopping in the centre of Darwin at 1 of the busiest times of the day in 1 of the busiest supermarkets in the NT .... maybe public flogging needs to be introduced for that sort of self centred behaviour. Pretty hard to keep it under control with clowns like him.

Bulletman

[trout1105]

And if you suspect that you have coronavirus you specifically don't go into the waiting room - you ring ahead and they prepare for your arrival.

I am Not concerned about catching a disease/virus from the medical professionals, It's the other patients in the waiting room I am concerned about.
Think about it, The reason most people visit a doctor is because they are sick and who wants to sit in a room full of sick people when this virus hits the streets.

[RANDLOVER]

I am Not concerned about catching a disease/virus from the medical professionals, It's the other patients in the waiting room I am concerned about.
Think about it, The reason most people visit a doctor is because they are sick and who wants to sit in a room full of sick people when this virus hits the streets.

Think about it, actually the worst place to catch a disease is a hospital, as it can be defined as: a place where people with the lowest immunity are exposed to the greatest infection!

[bob10]

I am Not concerned about catching a disease/virus from the medical professionals, It's the other patients in the waiting room I am concerned about.
Think about it, The reason most people visit a doctor is because they are sick and who wants to sit in a room full of sick people when this virus hits the streets.

It's only natural to be apprehensive at times like this. It really doesn't matter where you go, if there are crowds of people , you will be at risk if the virus kicks off. The medical professionals will be masked & kitted up to protect themselves from us, not us from them. I believe part of the plan is establishing virus " hubs ", where people who think they have the virus can present to be tested. Isolated from the healthy population, in a controlled environment, it seems the best way to contain the virus. As for allocation of resources, there is provision in the Australian Health sector emergency response plan for coronavirus for just that.

"Although it will only be possible to quantify the overall impact of the outbreak once it has run its course, to assist planners, an estimate of the anticipated level of impact will be developed early in the response, and updated as new data becomes available. This estimate will be used to: • guide the allocation of resources, to ensure resources are not wasted and are conserved for use as long as possible (including anticipation of when they are needed, as this will change over time); • put in place strategies to supplement likely shortfalls (e.g. innovative options); • reduce the risk to vulnerable people. "

The Australian Health Sector emergency response plan for coronavirus;

​https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/02/australian-health-sector-emergency-response-plan-for-novel-coronavirus-covid-19_2.pdf

[Johndoe]

A good video to give an idea of symptoms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLGX2L9JLa8

Gatorade ey?

[bob10]

Everything you need to know about coronavirus vaccines.


Is There a Coronavirus Vaccine? Here'''s Everything You Need to Know | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-vaccines/?bxid=5cc9e26e3f92a477a0ea0693&cndid=52475003&esrc=subscribe-page&source=EDT_WIR_NEWSLETTER_0_DAILY_ZZ&utm_brand=wired&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_030520&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl&utm_term=list1_p4)

[bob10]

As the coronavirus interrupts the global supply chain, the ability to fix our own stuff becomes more important. Does the World need a right to repair law?


The Right to Repair Will Help Us Endure Outbreaks | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-the-right-to-repair-will-help-us-endure-outbreaks/?bxid=5cc9e26e3f92a477a0ea0693&cndid=52475003&esrc=subscribe-page&source=EDT_WIR_NEWSLETTER_0_DAILY_ZZ&utm_brand=wired&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=WIR_Daily_030520&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl&utm_term=list2_p5)

[bob10]

Coronavirus has reached New Zealand. How prepared are they to tackle the virus ? One suggestion is a " safe Haven " policy to remove vulnerable groups such as older people with chronic conditions temporarily to high quality aged care, or even protected islands.

COVID-19 has now reached New Zealand. How prepared is it to deal with a pandemic? (https://theconversation.com/covid-19-has-now-reached-new-zealand-how-prepared-is-it-to-deal-with-a-pandemic-132857)





https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/169808/width170/otago024560.jpg Michael Baker (https://theconversation.com/profiles/michael-baker-169808) Professor of Public Health, University of Otago

https://cdn.theconversation.com/avatars/133898/width170/RackMultipart20140805-6380-jelx8m.jpg Nick Wilson (https://theconversation.com/profiles/nick-wilson-133898) Professor of Public Health, University of Otago




Disclosure statement The authors do not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and have disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.

[Saitch]

In '05/'06 with the coming of the H5N1 (Avian Influenza) the ABC stated:

'There's nothing like the horror of a global mass killer to pique public interest' and '.......inspiring fevered images of an imminent human apocalypse'!

There was also food and virus treatment hoarding and a suggestion of doing away with the pigeons in CBDs.[smilebigeye]

Around and around and up and down we go-o-o-o-o.

Conspiracy Theory # 52,367,895,423,140,235,678,135,556,886,522,004,778 ,902,124,558,795,159,357,856,596,591,969:

The Government has raised the age of retirement to 67 years for those born in 1957 on. This virus seems to be particularly severe on the older members of the community.

Coincidence? I think not! :soapbox:

[rick130]

In '05/'06 with the coming of the H5N1 (Avian Influenza) the ABC stated:

'There's nothing like the horror of a global mass killer to pique public interest' and '.......inspiring fevered images of an imminent human apocalypse'!

There was also food and virus treatment hoarding and a suggestion of doing away with the pigeons in CBDs.[smilebigeye]

Around and around and up and down we go-o-o-o-o.

Conspiracy Theory # 52,367,895,423,140,235,678,135,556,886,522,004,778 ,902,124,558,795,159,357,856,596,591,969:

The Government has raised the age of retirement to 67 years for those born in 1957 on. This virus seems to be particularly severe on the older members of the community.

Coincidence? I think not! :soapbox:On this note, someone that works for a major news org OS said on Twitter yesterday that online revenue generation is based on clicks and the most searched term worldwide atm is 'Corona' so ramping up the rhetoric on a global pandemic-can only help revenue.

And people are nothing if not lemming like.....

[rick130]

Interesting

The coronavirus: A warning from Peter Daszak, the scientist who saw it coming. (https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-covid19-pandemic-cause-prediction-prevention.html)

[bob10]

The Government has raised the age of retirement to 67 years for those born in 1957 on. This virus seems to be particularly severe on the older members of the community.

Coincidence? I think not! :soapbox:


Now you've done it.

[bob10]

Interesting

The coronavirus: A warning from Peter Daszak, the scientist who saw it coming. (https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-covid19-pandemic-cause-prediction-prevention.html)


I dare say any one who has travelled in Asia, away from the tourist traps, looking at the markets, the blood on the ground, the unsanitary conditions, and the fact that human excrement is used to grow food, would not be surprised by this outbreak.

[4bee]

Sophie Monk reacts to toilet paper panic buying amid coronavirus (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrity-selfies/sophie-monk-reacts-to-people-panic-buying-toilet-paper/news-story/6f54db01151b839518b11c4937d3f727?utm_source=news.c om.au%20%E2%80%94%20Australia%E2%80%99s%20#1%20new s%20site&utm_mediam=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=281419139)

[hodgo]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
Last evening dining out with friends, one of their uncles, who's graduated with a master's degree and who worked in Shenzhen Hospital (Guangdong Province, China) sent him the following :-

notes on Coronavirus for guidance:

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold

2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.

3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.

4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.

7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.

8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasize enough - drink plenty of water!


THE SYMPTOMS:-


1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days

2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.


SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE.

[Tote]

Interesting

The coronavirus: A warning from Peter Daszak, the scientist who saw it coming. (https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-covid19-pandemic-cause-prediction-prevention.html)

Not sure I really agree with his line of thought, people have existed in remote areas close to wildlife for millions of years. Maybe as a species we have become too removed from the world in our air conditioned bubbles sprayed with disinfectant that we are never exposed to anything to gain an immunity.

Regards,
Tote

[bob10]

Medical staff stretched as health authorities warn" the virus can't be contained."

NSW Health expecting staff shortages after admitting COVID-19 '''can'''t be contained''' (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/medical-staff-shortages-expected-for-virus-that-can-t-be-contained-20200305-p54777.html)

[bob10]

New York Times, coronavirus briefing.

Coronavirus Briefing: Stuck at Sea (https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?uri=nyt://newsletter/df1271a8-0cc8-4ed9-86c6-7d276449e9db&productCode=CB&te=1&nl=coronavirus-briefing&emc=edit_cb_20200305&campaign_id=154&instance_id=16521&segment_id=21919&user_id=38b653f59d8a788d2b8029d349fb05f1&regi_id=84534669)

[Tins]

And it persists: People bulk buy toilet paper. I tried to buy tomato soup, something my 101 year old mum likes, and I find that morons have 'stocked up" on such a staple.

Can anyone find a more pertinent example of the idiocy of Man?

[Homestar]

And it persists: People bulk buy toilet paper. I tried to buy tomato soup, something my 101 year old mum likes, and I find that morons have 'stocked up" on such a staple.

Can anyone find a more pertinent example of the idiocy of Man?

Nope, that about sums up the average IQ of the population these days unfortunately. [emoji853]

[Johndoe]

And it persists: People bulk buy toilet paper. I tried to buy tomato soup, something my 101 year old mum likes, and I find that morons have 'stocked up" on such a staple.

Can anyone find a more pertinent example of the idiocy of Man?


Do not agree with your choice of words one bit.
And to be honest im a little confused.

You are aware people are hording yes? Its been on the news and on here.

If you are unable to purchase something because you ignored the rush....

Then who is the moron? The one eating soup or the one not?

The one wiping his bum with toilet paper or not?



I have plenty of everything in my house of 6. We took notice of the demand and purchased accordingly.
I call that intelligence not idiocy.

Anyway back to my soup.

[bob10]

Do not agree with your choice of words one bit.
And to be honest im a little confused.

You are aware people are hording yes? Its been on the news and on here.

If you are unable to purchase something because you ignored the rush....

Then who is the moron? The one eating soup or the one not?

The one wiping his bum with toilet paper or not?



I have plenty of everything in my house of 6. We took notice of the demand and purchased accordingly.
I call that intelligence not idiocy.

Anyway back to my soup.
Cut him some slack, he's worried about his Mum. On a number of levels, I'm sure.

[bob10]

Isn't the waiting room at the dentist or doctors surgery the Very BEST place to pick up the flue/virus of the moment [bigwhistle]
Unless I have a broken bone, chronic tooth ache or a deep laceration these are the LAST places I would be hanging out at[biggrin]

What Ariples said. If any one thinks they may have the virus, don't just turn up, ring first.


Coronavirus: This is how it's different to the flu | The New Daily (https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2020/03/06/coronavirus-flu-difference-symptoms/)

[trout1105]

Do not agree with your choice of words one bit.
And to be honest im a little confused.

You are aware people are hording yes? Its been on the news and on here.

If you are unable to purchase something because you ignored the rush....

Then who is the moron? The one eating soup or the one not?

The one wiping his bum with toilet paper or not?



I have plenty of everything in my house of 6. We took notice of the demand and purchased accordingly.
I call that intelligence not idiocy.

Anyway back to my soup.

The reason why people are hoarding is because they are Panicking and Not thinking straight .
When people rush in and grab all that they can even if they know that they will be depriving others is Selfish.
The main items being hoarded are dunny rolls, pasta and longlife milk, You Cannot live on that for 14 days.
Most of this panic buying is being done out of Fear and is Mob behaviour.

That is a pretty "Moronic" way for "Civilised" people to behave

[Saitch]

Well, I'm certainly taking things seriously!
Why, just yesterday I sewed some more carrot and lettuce seeds and planted a few 'taties.
Perhaps I should plant a date tree and produce my own 'Date Rolls'?

[Johndoe]

That is a pretty "Moronic" way for "Civilised" people to behave

Its quite natural behavior actually mate.
Survival of the fittest sort of mentality.

Our own Government started stockpiling certain products weeks ago!
That lit the fuse perhaps for the public stockpiling in general.
So its certainly not unreasonable to follow suit.

You snooze you loose.

[Eevo]

it's a free society. people can buy what they want.

[trout1105]

Well, I'm certainly taking things seriously!
Why, just yesterday I sewed some more carrot and lettuce seeds and planted a few 'taties.
Perhaps I should plant a date tree and produce my own 'Date Rolls'?

I have spent the last few weeks building a new veggie patch (Including a new shade house) because my old one was continually being invaded by sheep and roos But it has absolutely Nothing to do with any virus.
It now has a tin fence around it to stop unwanted "Guests" and to mostly stop the wind from damaging the plants[thumbsupbig]
I have never found that growing my own veggies to be cost effective or to supply veggies that are unavailable in the shops I simply enjoy pottering about in the garden and I do this every year because I Enjoy doing it.

[bob10]

Coronavirus is being called a pandemic by insurers , making travel insurance policies void [ but just the infectious diseases part of the policy, AFAIK.]. Even if purchased before the pandemic call.



Coronavirus COVID-19 is being called a pandemic by insurers, making travel insurance policies void - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-06/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-insurance-exclusion-confusion/12027638)

[Fatso]

The reason why people are hoarding is because they are Panicking and Not thinking straight .
When people rush in and grab all that they can even if they know that they will be depriving others is Selfish.
The main items being hoarded are dunny rolls, pasta and longlife milk, You Cannot live on that for 14 days.
Most of this panic buying is being done out of Fear and is Mob behaviour.

That is a pretty "Moronic" way for "Civilised" people to behave

Morons are not Civilized just morons , and usually Carma sorts em out in the end .

[Johndoe]

Moron is a term once used in psychology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) and psychiatry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatry) to denote mild intellectual disability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)#cite_note-rafter1998-1) The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_eugenics_movement).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)#cite_note-black2004-2) Once the term became popularized, it fell out of use by the psychological community, as it was used more commonly as an insult than as a psychological term. It is similar to imbecile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile) and idiot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)#cite_note-3)

Still confused.

If you have adequate supplies to last..... lets say 2 weeks at least your a moron.
But if you neglected to notice demand went WAY up your intelligent?

Got it.

[trout1105]

Its quite natural behavior actually mate.
Survival of the fittest sort of mentality.

Our own Government started stockpiling certain products weeks ago!
That lit the fuse perhaps for the public stockpiling in general.
So its certainly not unreasonable to follow suit.

You snooze you loose.

The government has stockpiled pandemic supplies for years now, Not just the last few weeks.
What actually "lit the fuse" for this currant panic buying is the media sensationalising this outbreak Not the government.
As far as dunny rolls go I can't see the "Urgency" to have hundreds stashed away in the house because we are Not going to run out of supply anytime soon.
Food and disinfectants I can understand But dunny rolls for Christ's sake.

As for depriving others of supplies because everyone else is buying up big and simply following that trend like Sheep being "Natural Behaviour" Well I am glad I don't "Behave" in that manner

[trout1105]

The reality check Australians need: Mum of cancer-stricken toddler, 3, slams panic buyers as they strip shelves of sanitisers and other items she desperately requires to help her girl stay alive (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-reality-check-australians-need-mum-of-cancer-stricken-toddler-3-slams-panic-buyers-as-they-strip-shelves-of-sanitisers-and-other-items-she-desperately-requires-to-help-her-girl-stay-alive/ar-BB10Q5UB?ocid=spartanntp)

[Johndoe]

The reality check Australians need: Mum of cancer-stricken toddler, 3, slams panic buyers as they strip shelves of sanitisers and other items she desperately requires to help her girl stay alive (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-reality-check-australians-need-mum-of-cancer-stricken-toddler-3-slams-panic-buyers-as-they-strip-shelves-of-sanitisers-and-other-items-she-desperately-requires-to-help-her-girl-stay-alive/ar-BB10Q5UB?ocid=spartanntp)

What about the 20 million the Government got a few weeks ago before there was really any cases in Aus?

There will be sad stories, but it does not change REALITY.

Reality is, DEMAND went up. We can all ask why or whatever but that is irrelevant really.

For well over a week this has been all over news and the net.

I expect most cleaning items and most food items (especially long life) will be hard to get.

Knowing this is it not the responsibility of YOU to do something about it rather than complain?

Hopefully demand will slow and production will increase but until then it is what it is.



Added..

Also to assume people buying more than normal because of a demand increase means they are trying to take off more needy people is a stretch.
Your not looking at the situation properly here.

[4bee]

Well, I'm certainly taking things seriously!
Why, just yesterday I sewed some more carrot and lettuce seeds and planted a few 'taties.
Perhaps I should plant a date tree and produce my own 'Date Rolls'?


Certainly are a heap better than Bog Rolls. Besides, one gives you the ****s & the other helps clean you up post ****.[smilebigeye]

[Fatso]

158459

[Johndoe]

158459

Insults and silly images are not constructive to the conversation so based on that i will ignore you cheers.

[trout1105]

[QUOTE][Also to assume people buying more than normal because of a demand increase means they are trying to take off more needy people is a stretch.
Your not looking at the situation properly here.QUOTE]

I am not saying that people are deliberately trying to deprive people of supplies, What I am saying is that they don't give a rats arse about anyone else as long as they have plenty.
Most people with half a brain have a well stocked pantry and freezer ALL the time and as such don't need to Panic buy anything, Talk about shutting the gate After the horse has bolted.

The flu season comes around every year and kills hundreds of people and yet there isn't a mad run on dunny paper then So why the mad panic now.
Sheeple will always panic and follow the mob, This doesn't make their actions "rational" at all.
In a week or so after all this "Fluff" has died down and the stores have replenished their stocks I will head into town and replenish my stores just like I have been doing for the last few decades, Now That is "Rational" behaviour [bigwhistle]

[bob10]

You know, I was just thinking that the coronavirus is one of the few things to come out of China that lasts more than 6 months.

[101RRS]

As far as dunny rolls go I can't see the "Urgency" to have hundreds stashed away in the house because we are Not going to run out of supply anytime soon.
Food and disinfectants I can understand But dunny rolls for Christ's sake.

Went to my local Woolies to top up on bread and milk and as I was down to a couple of rolls of dunny paper, of course dunny paper. The shelves were basically cleaned out but I did score a 6 pack for $5 so was OK. I mentioned to the lady next to me who also had the same 6 pack that she might get into trouble having so much dunny paper but she did not see the funny side of it.

We did get talking and she could not understand the run on dunny paper - afterall she said that if she ran out of dunny paper after doing number 2s she would just hop into the shower to clean up [bigsad].

Not the sort of conversation you want to have with an elderly lady you dont know.

On a related issue, I hear that enquiries about installing Bidets have dramatically increased.

Garry

[Saitch]

Coronavirus is being called a pandemic by insurers , making travel insurance policies void [ but just the infectious diseases part of the policy, AFAIK.]. Even if purchased before the pandemic call.



Coronavirus COVID-19 is being called a pandemic by insurers, making travel insurance policies void - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-06/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-insurance-exclusion-confusion/12027638)

I'm off to Russia and the Nordic region in May. Hmmm, I wonder what 'Toilet paper' is in Icelandic?

Hopefully, my additions to the "Where are You Logging in From?' thread won't be from some isolation ward in Siberia although, I did read that the virus doesn't handle cold temps.

Perhaps a charter flight across the ditch to Dunedin, for an extended holiday, is the go?

[NavyDiver]

158459

Just saw a US show and tweet suggesting seriously that $500,000,000 spent recently by one American would have been able to give all Americans 1,000,000 each and lots of change. They even mentioned there is about 3,250,000 Americans

The math genius had me in stitches. Stupidity - Worst mistake on Television
Our bog roll hoarders at least will get to use it for a few years[biggrin]. I think I have enough for a few weeks here[thumbsupbig]. I do not mind if people hoard a bit. The ones buying to try and sell it to others trying to get some are not my fav people.

An0maly - The Worst Mistake On Television! This Is Embarrassing... | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/An0malyMusic/videos/224928405224875/UzpfSTE0MjA0MjQxMjc6MTAyMjI5NjYxNTIwNDg1MjE/)
Noted another doc in Vic has Covid19. Two weeks off for that Doc.

[bob10]

I'm off to Russia and the Nordic region in May. Hmmm, I wonder what 'Toilet paper' is in Icelandic?

Hopefully, my additions to the "Where are You Logging in From?' thread won't be from some isolation ward in Siberia although, I did read that the virus doesn't handle cold temps.

Perhaps a charter flight across the ditch to Dunedin, for an extended holiday, is the go?

Here Ya go. salernispappír [ Icelandic]
tualetnaya bumaga {Russian.}

[Fatso]

Insults and silly images are not constructive to the conversation so based on that i will ignore you cheers.

Fine by me mate !! :BigThumb: . Cheers .

[bob10]

I'm off to Russia and the Nordic region in May. Hmmm, I wonder what 'Toilet paper' is in Icelandic?

Hopefully, my additions to the "Where are You Logging in From?' thread won't be from some isolation ward in Siberia although, I did read that the virus doesn't handle cold temps.

Perhaps a charter flight across the ditch to Dunedin, for an extended holiday, is the go?

Went down to enquire about the flu needle at my medical centre, had a chat, turns out my Doctor has been in Dunedin, and was bemoaning the fact she has to leave virus free South Island, and run the gauntlet at the medical centre. [ She was joking , she is a first class GP].

[bob10]

Probably timely to have a look at history. It may put a bit of balance in the COVID-19 story.


How the Horrific 1918 Flu Spread Across America
|
History

| Smithsonian Magazine (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/)

[vnx205]

I did read that the virus doesn't handle cold temps.


. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
Better check the source of that informaton.

[Slunnie]

I was in Sydney at the hospital yesterday and got the briefing on this thing. It hasn't even begun in Australia yet, but they expect it to go off. The bad thing is that because we are heading into Winter its going to get up and run, where the rest of the world are heading into summer which will slow or stop it. They're expecting 30-70% infection rates in the community. At risk are boys (slightly higher), immundepressed people and over 50yo. The news sounds grim for the 54yo Dr who contracted it recently and who was otherwise totally healthy. What does it do, basically the effect is that it turns your lungs hard like a board, all they can do is support you with IV antibiotics.There are machines that can take the place of your lungs, but there are only about 6+7 of them, so you probably wont get the use of one if needed.

How to control it.
70% is via hands, keep them clean with sanitiser
Also via touching clothes that have been coughed ito
Evidence suggests masks don't work
Stop meetings. Dr's now don't have meeting in groups of 20+
Remote patient consultations

For us schoolies, they've also highly recommended to stop doing school assemblies.

[bob10]

Better check the source of that informaton.

Go to post 216. I received the same information from the VVAA, yet to follow up the source, but I trust the sender.