Red triangle restricted performance.

[VK3GJM]

Hi All,

after 128,000km without issues about half of it towing, my luck has finally run out.

last weekend leaving a service centre trying to mix back into 110km/hr traffic, the red triangle fault light came up.

luckily my brother was able to take my camper. I headed back home to put D4 away to take another vehicle for a long weekend camping.

managed to look a bit deeper into the issue this weekend, oil on one manifold tell me a possible leak. Has anyone seen a similar oil deposit?158480

[DiscoJeffster]

Looks like a split manifold to me and is extremely common on a 3L.

[Tombie]

Looks like a split manifold to me and is extremely common on a 3L.

This will be it.

[VK3GJM]

Thanks.

if this is a common issue, has anyone successfully managed to have them replaced under the TSB as a manufacturers fault?

My chance to have them both replaced as a defect part from the start is low, I have always kept the service up and have even received extended warranty 5+2 without asking!

[DiscoJeffster]

Thanks.

if this is a common issue, has anyone successfully managed to have them replaced under the TSB as a manufacturers fault?

My chance to have them both replaced as a defect part from the start is low, I have always kept the service up and have even received extended warranty 5+2 without asking!

Nope. Do a search on the forum on the topic and you’ll find endless info on it. I’d suggest doing both sides at the same time for peace of mind. There is a small labour benefit as well.
Expect in the order of $1200-3000 depending if one or both are done, and where you take it

[VK3GJM]

Again, thanks gents.

Yes, will get both done for piece of mind, with a small saving in labour.

Had it booked for this coming Tuesday anyway for timing chain due to age (MY13) not km.

From other posts with similar/worse cracking, extra plastic thickness and ribbing has been added for strength.

[VK3GJM]

Well bugger me.

I went in for a engine timing chain change, then the long weekend restricted perform. Issue.

To replace both rocker/intake manifold with all hoses/parts and 2 days labour is $6,230 and add $3,900 Timing chain and belts, it’s about 7% of the origin price.

Hope this includes the newer updated covers😜

[Tombie]

Who the hell is quoting that? (Don’t answer)
Timing belts and idlers from a dealer cost me $1100.00

They’ll have half the engine bay apart to do the intakes.

They’re taking the ****!

[DiscoJeffster]

Well bugger me.

I went in for a engine timing chain change, then the long weekend restricted perform. Issue.

To replace both rocker/intake manifold with all hoses/parts and 2 days labour is $6,230 and add $3,900 Timing chain and belts, it’s about 7% of the origin price.

Hope this includes the newer updated covers[emoji12]

Go somewhere else!!!!!

[DieselLSE]

If you haven't already committed the car to the dealer, it would be worth getting a quote from Ritters in Burwood and Rova Range in Bentleigh. Personally, I would give serious consideration to shipping it to Daniel at British Automotive in Romsey. It would be a pleasant drive back to Melbourne with everything sorted and the towing and fuel costs would be more than compensated by the savings, which, I suspect, would be a few thousand dollars.

[scarry]

If you haven't already committed the car to the dealer, it would be worth getting a quote from Ritters in Burwood and Rova Range in Bentleigh. Personally, I would give serious consideration to shipping it to Daniel at British Automotive in Romsey. It would be a pleasant drive back to Melbourne with everything sorted and the towing and fuel costs would be more than compensated by the savings, which, I suspect, would be a few thousand dollars.

It would be cheaper to ship it there and back to MR Auto at Redcliffe.

And at least you would have the piece of mind knowing that the job would be done properly.

[discorevy]

ridiculous, should be less than half that , why are they replacing the chains as well ?

[josh.huber]

These sort of quotes are what ruins the resale value of these cars

[DiscoJeffster]

ridiculous, should be less than half that , why are they replacing the chains as well ?

They won’t be. It’ll be the OP mixing up her terminology between timing belt and chain I’m presuming.

[discorevy]

They won’t be. It’ll be the OP mixing up her terminology between timing belt and chain I’m presuming.


Belts and chains were mentioned , so I assumed it may have been put to the OP by the Stealer .
I'll also presume Gerald would be a male not that it would make a difference..................assumptions , presumptions aside , that quote is way over the top.

[DiscoJeffster]

Belts and chains were mentioned , so I assumed it may have been put to the OP by the Stealer .
I'll also presume Gerald would be a male not that it would make a difference..................assumptions , presumptions aside , that quote is way over the top.

Lol. “Her” that was a mobile fat finger typo

[disco4now]

Presumably the HPFP belt is included. This is nominally a body off on the 3.0L though is done body on by some i think.

[PerthDisco]

Well bugger me.

I went in for a engine timing chain change, then the long weekend restricted perform. Issue.

To replace both rocker/intake manifold with all hoses/parts and 2 days labour is $6,230 and add $3,900 Timing chain and belts, it’s about 7% of the origin price.

Hope this includes the newer updated covers[emoji12]

I’d want the flux capacitor changed for that price!

[Tombie]

I’d want the flux capacitor changed for that price!

And the Mr Fusion upgrade plus complimentary Hoverboard.

[StewG]

I’d want the flux capacitor changed for that price!

And it could then run cheaply on banana skins! I'd like to see that! [biggrin]

[StewG]

I recently had the RHS intake manifold replaced by a respected independent for about $1700. He suggested that the LHS was ok so wait for it to go before replacing. Glue and gaffer tape should effect a quick temporary fix if caught short in cripple mode.

[Graeme]

My son's D4 has only had the right one done and that was a couple of years ago, with the left one still intact.

[justinc]

Yes, I only do one at a time, too.

There is negligeable extra labour to get in there to replace the other one later, in fact it isn't worth mentioning when faced with a 4k job or a 2k one....

[Discodicky]

My son's D4 has only had the right one done and that was a couple of years ago, with the left one still intact.

Do you mean RHS as in Driver's side?
Interesting indeed, do the owner's who've had the failure consider the RHS to be the most common to fail?

[josh.huber]

+1 rhs or driver's side failed, I changed both but due to the amount of driving I do with the trailer on

[Graeme]

Do you mean RHS as in Driver's side?
Yes.

[DazzaTD5]

Yes, I only do one at a time, too.

There is negligeable extra labour to get in there to replace the other one later, in fact it isn't worth mentioning when faced with a 4k job or a 2k one....

As he said.

I only do the one, RHS, the passenger side may or may not ever fail. As Justin said, $2K or $4K.

Recently had someone come in to get a RHS one replaced, didnt like my price and decided to do it himself (which I actually dont have a problem with). About 3 weeks later it turned up on a tilt truck. $1K later and I had fixed the leaking injectors, leaking spill line (replaced), fixed broken breather lines, fixed broken plug on fuel pressure sensor, fixed a intake leak, cleaned all the excessive diesel spill off everywhere. (I did have a problem with this as I hate hodge bodge workmanship). So after he purchased the manifold and spent 3 weekends doing the job plus my $1K he really didnt save anything.

The same deal with timing belts, I am (or any repairer) taking that chance if something does go pear shaped I may well be up for replacing an engine at my cost. I can also see this one customer as an example that even my bad days are some what better than others best efforts. Make no mistake though, I've seen dealers do way way worse.

BUT (there is always a but) what I do I dont consider to be rocket science and am always quite happy to help out in advise with regards to owners tackling these fun jobs themselves.

[DiscoJeffster]

As he said.

I only do the one, RHS, the passenger side may or may not ever fail. As Justin said, $2K or $4K.

Recently had someone come in to get a RHS one replaced, didnt like my price and decided to do it himself (which I actually dont have a problem with). About 3 weeks later it turned up on a tilt truck. $1K later and I had fixed the leaking injectors, leaking spill line (replaced), fixed broken breather lines, fixed broken plug on fuel pressure sensor, fixed a intake leak, cleaned all the excessive diesel spill off everywhere. (I did have a problem with this as I hate hodge bodge workmanship). So after he purchased the manifold and spent 3 weekends doing the job plus my $1K he really didnt save anything.

The same deal with timing belts, I am (or any repairer) taking that chance if something does go pear shaped I may well be up for replacing an engine at my cost. I can also see this one customer as an example that even my bad days are some what better than others best efforts. Make no mistake though, I've seen dealers do way way worse.

BUT (there is always a but) what I do I dont consider to be rocket science and am always quite happy to help out in advise with regards to owners tackling these fun jobs themselves.

This wasn’t me (let it be known!), but I stuffed my passenger one up by forgetting to silicone the rear cam cap rocker seal. Everything else went to plan but I then had an endless oil leak (one of a few). I however didn’t stuff my injectors, return line or intake. As a guide my driver side went at 160k km and the the passenger at 240k km.

[DazzaTD5]

This wasn’t me (let it be known!), but I stuffed my passenger one up by forgetting to silicone the rear cam cap rocker seal. Everything else went to plan but I then had an endless oil leak (one of a few). I however didn’t stuff my injectors, return line or intake. As a guide my driver side went at 160k km and the the passenger at 240k km.

[bigrolf][bigrolf] Yes let it be known it wasnt you or I dont think any member here.
Although I have been called arrogant (or likely worse) I'd say most members here / and or customers that know me, would have approached me and ask for some tips and tricks when doing this sort of job themselves.

[Eric SDV6SE]

This wasn’t me (let it be known!), but I stuffed my passenger one up by forgetting to silicone the rear cam cap rocker seal. Everything else went to plan but I then had an endless oil leak (one of a few). I however didn’t stuff my injectors, return line or intake. As a guide my driver side went at 160k km and the the passenger at 240k km.

Smack bang in the middle of that at 200,000km (coming up in 2500km). Still on original manifolds. Touch wood. I subscribe to the "if it aint broke" philosophy in this case. I wonder if anyone has made a set of 3D metal printed ones.

[DiscoJeffster]

Smack bang in the middle of that at 200,000km (coming up in 2500km). Still on original manifolds. Touch wood. I subscribe to the "if it aint broke" philosophy in this case. I wonder if anyone has made a set of 3D metal printed ones.

I’d say pointless. If you have to pull it apart at this point to change them anyhow, and given the product improvements, you’ll never change them again in the life of the car, so the idea of changing tech is moot really.

Haven’t heard of any 2013+ failing either so guessing the improvements are solid

[Graeme]

The D4 inlet manifolds first revision were introduced during MY11 production at VIN BA568563. Have any needed replacing since this VIN?

[discorevy]

The D4 inlet manifolds first revision were introduced during MY11 production at VIN BA568563. Have any needed replacing since this VIN?



1x 2013 RHS

1x 2013 LHS

2x 2012 RHS ( both manifolds on one of these D4"s , LHS was preventative as body off )