D5 sales in february at low level

[PhilipA]

I note that only 115 D5s were registered in February 2020.

LRA has a $20K promotion on at present.

I also note that full size Land cruiser sold over 10 times the number of D5s at AFAIR 1276.

This model must be considered a disaster in Australia and if the numbers are similarly low world wide there also .
Any one know the figures?
I would love to know how many LRA has in stock and at dealers. To promote with a $20K headline there must be lots.
Regards PhilipA

[Bulletman]

Not really surprised considering the high price for a base model. Wether it's what you are after or not , a twin cab 4x4 Ute looks appealing at around $50k Mark. Not sure why the normal person would want to throw another 30K+ for a D5.

LC are just in a class of their own for the loyal Toyota mob, here in the NT you are considered a fool if you buy anything other than Toyota. Whether you agree or not ,I personally don't think LR will ever catch LC with the current crop of clone vehicles.

Bulletman

[SPROVER]

Probably because they are as ugly as hell and over priced. [emoji16] Just my opinion! [emoji106]

[scarry]

Not really surprised considering the high price for a base model. Wether it's what you are after or not , a twin cab 4x4 Ute looks appealing at around $50k Mark. Not sure why the normal person would want to throw another 30K+ for a D5.

LC are just in a class of their own for the loyal Toyota mob, here in the NT you are considered a fool if you buy anything other than Toyota. Whether you agree or not ,I personally don't think LR will ever catch LC with the current crop of clone vehicles.

Bulletman


You will need not more than $30K,but well over $50K more to get anything reasonable in the D5 range.

The numbers are a disaster following the good sales of the D4.Even LR Aus said they did very well out of the D4.

LR were on to a good thing but unfortunately that didn’t follow through with the next model.

The answer to the issue,in Aus,is one vehicle is what people want,the other isn’t.

And one has a reputation for great reliability and good resale values,the other doesn’t.

[Barraman]

Probably because they are as ugly as hell and over priced. [emoji16] Just my opinion! [emoji106]

Yup - but I would buy a new D4 tomorrow, if I could!

[Tins]

I guess people are waiting for the L663. IMO it's the logical successor to the D4.

[Barraman]

I guess people are waiting for the L663. IMO it's the logical successor to the D4.

Only if they put a td6 in it!

[INter674]

I don't think many LC owners buy with their heads after all the y62 is a much better vehicle and we continue to buy rubbish utes and other 4x4s spending heap to make them capable and more durable...and laughing when they break.

Watch a y62 tackle a steep rocky track then watch a ute bucking and lurching and often smashing CVs or eg Raptors..transfer cases or autos.

Aussies are in a different world when it comes to car choice...we are special and unique in many regards and often shun sensible choices favouring herd and mythological mentalities..eg Toyotas are tough and parts are available in outback supermarkets☺

But good on Toyota for promoting the myths and facilitating good resale value in the process..there's no doubt resale value is a strong attraction to buying one.

It would be a great shame if LR went under...who would dare to innovate then? I see a race to the bottom if for eg Toyota achieve complete market dominance..akin to a Soviet style take it or leave it Lada attitude. Not good 😐

But look at the rise of the imported US trucks which if imported in RH drive could shave heaps of the price and attract more traditional LC buyers in the process.

Interesting times indeed.

[Tins]

after all the y62 is a much better vehicle

Is it? Is it really? The Y62 has IFS, same as the LC 200. The Patrol forums are saying drive shafts are being changed at less than 50,000. Then there is no diesel option, anywhere. Sure, Europe has gone anti diesel, but the Patrol doesn't sell in that market. I refuse to carry petrol in jerries, the stuff is too volatile, so it needs huge tanks.

I agree they are better off road than the tradie's utes, and any 7x series, but are they better than a 200? I would put them as line ball. The V8 is sweet though.

Now, look at this:


https://youtu.be/6SQwcYVMLnI

No IFS, Cummins 6BT, and unstoppable.... well, I reckon there's a track or two, because the thing is so BIG. But it shows what live axle can do.


It would be a great shame if LR went under..
Interesting times indeed.

Tata is rich. LR, the brand, will survive. The LR that this forum is based on likely won't. The world won't let it.

I wish they still made OKAs.

[Tins]

Only if they put a td6 in it!

Good luck with that. Sadly. It ain't built for us. But I'll bet the engine options will expand once the thing actually goes on sale.

[Vern]

Is it? Is it really? The Y62 has IFS, same as the LC 200. The Patrol forums are saying drive shafts are being changed at less than 50,000. Then there is no diesel option, anywhere. Sure, Europe has gone anti diesel, but the Patrol doesn't sell in that market. I refuse to carry petrol in jerries, the stuff is too volatile, so it needs huge tanks.

I agree they are better off road than the tradie's utes, and any 7x series, but are they better than a 200? I would put them as line ball. The V8 is sweet though.

Now, look at this:


https://youtu.be/6SQwcYVMLnI

No IFS, Cummins 6BT, and unstoppable.... well, I reckon there's a track or two, because the thing is so BIG. But it shows what live axle can do.



Tata is rich. LR, the brand, will survive. The LR that this forum is based on likely won't. The world won't let it.

I wish they still made OKAs.Where did you hear they are replacing driveshafts at 50,000km? This is the first i have heard of this, and i am on most of the y62 groups. Ours just hit 50,000km should i be wary??
Also its ifs/irs, toyota ifs only, and if you watch any of the y62 vs 200 vids, you will see it dominates the beloved toyota.
As for jerry cans, fit a longrange tank, done! There has been a few that have done the CSR no issues, with economy returning very similar to when i did it in a diesel cruiser.
After owning one, i will never own a modern diesel again, this leaves it for dead in almost every way.

Oh and Zoltans ram is a beast, but boy he has done a LOT of mods to it.

[Tins]

Where did you hear they are replacing driveshafts at 50,000km? This is the first i have heard of this, and i am on most of the y62 groups. Ours just hit 50,000km should i be wary??

I have been on Patrol forums ( not just Y62 ) a lot lately, trying to figure my son's Y61.
Here is one site, although I guess it's 50K MILES, still, 80k here.
Front drive shafts shot after 2 years. | Patrol 4x4 - Nissan Patrol Forum (https://www.patrol4x4.com/threads/front-drive-shafts-shot-after-2-years.264274/)


Also its ifs/irs, toyota ifs only, and if you watch any of the y62 vs 200 vids, you will see it dominates the beloved toyota.

Pls don't used 'beloved' and 'Toyota' in the same sentence speaking to me:bat:[bigwhistle][bigsad].

In the current climate, and if budget permitted, I'd seriously consider the Y62. But my question was, is it better than an LC? You say it is. And maybe you are right.

But I'm unconvinced by the IRS argument. What else does it do better? Serious questions, I really want to know.



After owning one, i will never own a modern diesel again, this leaves it for dead in almost every way.

It's an amazing engine, no doubt. Doesn't overcome my dislike for carrying petrol.


Oh and Zoltans ram is a beast, but boy he has done a LOT of mods to it.

Of course. It was my intention to show what solid can do that independent usually can't. The thing is insane though, isn't it?

[rar110]

I was amazed to learn the 70 series models are all still part time 4WD. I thought staying with the leaf style suspension was bad enough.

The D5 is growing on me. But trading my old tdv8 L322 for D5 or L663 would be a massive outlay for some nice but not massively nice features.

[chuck]

I ended up buying a D5 HSE SDV6 in December after the pricing and options for the Defender were released.

The D5 ended up being $30k less than i was quoted for a Defender SE Diesel.

I looked a Land-cruisers & the D5 again was far cheaper with far better ride, power, safety, fuel economy etc.

The D5 is my 5th Discovery and i am very happy with it, yes it was $20k more than my last D4 but to be fair that included HSE spec with sunroof v D4 SDV6 SE Spec.

Have had the D5 off road at Mt Disappointment & was very happy with its performance off road.

Cheers

Chuck

[INter674]

Re the Y62 driveline my resident Nissan experts say they've not heard of problems cept where 37s are fitted and the wonderful engine is supercharged. The traction control system is also better as is the general level of equipment.

Give me a petrol any day.. far fewer engine issues and petrol is available everywhere nowadays. We did 5500ks with a V8 petrol 100 series thru many remote areas and never had a prob getting petrol.

Yeah 'Merican trucks struggle on narrow Tassie tracks but some cashed up tradies do take them there..which is a sight to see esp if they have 40" wheels on🤤

[scarry]

I recon anyone that wants to buy a large 4x4 wagon needs to wait awhile if they can.

The new Defender,as we know,is just around the corner as is the LC 200 replacement.

We need to replace our D4 but are hanging out.If a new D4 was available we would have one,but the D5 doesn’t really suit us.Had a good look at it a while ago.Its actually probably getting close to it’s first upgrade.

The Defender is probably too small in the rear,and the 130 a while away.No V6 could be an issue as well.

The new LC will have a new petrol,same turbo engine that runs in some Lexus vehicles,so it will be latest generation,hybrid rumoured as well,so that will be interesting.
The diesel V8 will be around for a while with upgrades.

There is also the latest Patrol,but SWMBO didn’t really like the size of it,it’s huge.

[PeterJ]

Yes, oh the dilemma of replacing the D4.......or not. Looked at my mates new D5, nice car, $120K, no 5 year warranty, lots of very useful features, some (like DPF and AdBlu not so much), resale value when he went to trade his 95000km D4, the LR dealer he bought it from wasn't interested and the trade in value was insulting, looks have grown on me so I can live with it now, some of the engineering and manufacturing has taken a dive (compressed fiber inner panels in cargo area, D4 were at least plastic), not so sure I want another diesel but you have to love the current power/torque output, wheels and tyres (nuff said!!) and so the deliberations go. The D4, well, do the shock absorbers, belts, inlet manifolds, alternator, water pump and other minor things as a mid life make over (130000km) hope that the gearbox holds out as well as the crank bearings and away we go. The Y62 is the only other option at present, but a complex issue to be sure.

Peter

[ozscott]

Hardly see any D5's around. Cheers

[scarry]

Hardly see any D5's around. Cheers

There are at least 8 outside the local stealers if anyone wants one,in a variety of colours.

We went there about 6 months ago for another look,and the salesman slipped up,telling us he struggles to sell them to anyone that has had a D3 or 4.[bighmmm]

[DirtDigger]

I note that only 115 D5s were registered in February 2020.

LRA has a $20K promotion on at present.

I also note that full size Land cruiser sold over 10 times the number of D5s at AFAIR 1276.

This model must be considered a disaster in Australia and if the numbers are similarly low world wide there also .
Any one know the figures?
I would love to know how many LRA has in stock and at dealers. To promote with a $20K headline there must be lots.
Regards PhilipA

I would like to know how many other owners have issues with their D5 Disco... I certainly do - lots of intermittent faults-mostly electronic and one electro-mechanical. A DUD car in my opinion. Disappointed in this model after a superb run with my D4 HSE. I cant recommend anyone buying this All New Disco is your want a faultless ownership.
1. In Touch system every few days needs to have log in retyped. Help Support has failed to return my recent call and complaint. about this
2. Steering wheel and seat memory position not always activated when unlocked and have taken a seat. I have to touch M1 to get it to reset back to my preferred position from the closed position when last locked up.
3. Major issue with the ? auto locking brake coming on whilst still mobile - repeat loud banging noise I feel the car very briefing slows. I have been repeated told there is nothing wrong structure wise. Every time mechanic gets in it for test drive it wont happen.Other passengers have noted and commented on the banging rear noise.
4. Still cant get the fancy trailer / caravan backing system(installed option) to work properly after placing the black diamonds in the correct area of the van and entered in the correct dimension details.
5. Battery - goes low voltage if I am working on the car eg cleaning etc if doors left open (LED lights) and unlocked for 2-3 hours. Already replaced 1 battery
6. Some of the GPS settings occasional reset to default

etc etc

RoscoW

[DirtDigger]

Yes, oh the dilemma of replacing the D4.......or not. Looked at my mates new D5, nice car, $120K, no 5 year warranty, lots of very useful features, some (like DPF and AdBlu not so much), resale value when he went to trade his 95000km D4, the LR dealer he bought it from wasn't interested and the trade in value was insulting, looks have grown on me so I can live with it now, some of the engineering and manufacturing has taken a dive (compressed fiber inner panels in cargo area, D4 were at least plastic), not so sure I want another diesel but you have to love the current power/torque output, wheels and tyres (nuff said!!) and so the deliberations go. The D4, well, do the shock absorbers, belts, inlet manifolds, alternator, water pump and other minor things as a mid life make over (130000km) hope that the gearbox holds out as well as the crank bearings and away we go. The Y62 is the only other option at present, but a complex issue to be sure.

Peter Hi Peter I have owned a lovely D4 HSE, and now 18 months old and 31,000 km the All new Disco with numerous intermittent faults. Stick with the D4, Mate!! Sorry I swapped over! I'm eyeing off the LC 300 when it arrives - I hope it has been on weight saving diet first!. I do share your comments about the nice aspect drive systems of the D5 however, as above - those did attracted me to buy this intermittent faulty model . The Ad blue stuff is highly overrated as a problem --it isnt much an issue. $19 for 10 Litres does me about 6000km - just a slow pain to add to the reservoir - can not use an Ad-bLue pump found at BP etc . Yes the compressed fiber inner side panels in cargo area are a JOKE! I dont have the 3rd row seats (I would never use them - so save a heap of $$) , the lid forming the floor over the now fabulous storage space created with not having seats, is also flimsy. Plastic cheap but shiny trim easily scratched. Dont ever let any solvent touch them eg when removing window stickers or they dissolve quickly.

RoscoW

[EastFreo]

Sadly I am one of those who really really wanted a D5 but in the end I couldn’t justify it over the LC Sahara.

My wife wanted something more comfy than my Defender and was also all geared up for the D5 but the price just continued to soar by the time we got all the add ons that come with the Sahara.

also the decider was on our last test drive of the D5 - when we were literally about to sign on the dotted line - the camera and display panel started glitching.

this year we are heading to Dirk Hartog and to SA to visit my sister in the Woomera Ranges. We need 100% reliability, so left the heart to the side and went to Toyota.

plan is to keep it for 2-3 years and my sister is already keen as mustard to buy it (being station people the cruiser is all they will buy). Hopefully by then they will have ironed out all the D5 issues.

meanwhile I will continue to drive my Defender every day and work in the wife to think about the new 110 instead!

[chuck]

Its funny how pricing works in different locations because a 200 Series Sahara Cruiser was going to be $10k more expensive than what i got the D5 for.
The only thing it doesn't have compared to the Sahara was rear seat entertainment.
I wont list what it has compared to the Sahara.

Having said the above it is booked in for some glitches with screen etc - apparently there is an update for it.

[EastFreo]

We were told as well no problem about the screen as car could do an upgrade by connecting to the home internet. But we couldn’t be told what was the data required - pretty important to know at the farm as we only get 60GB a month on satellite.

Don’t get me wrong. Other than reliability the D5 wins in every respect. I have a pang of regret every time I see one on the road. But the cruiser is still comfortable and has great pickup. It will simply be our family tourer for a couple of years and hopefully LR gets it right in that period of time.

[drivesafe]

Does anybody have access to the sales figures for D4s in their last year before the D5 came on the market?

[scarry]

[QUOTE=EastFreo;2982761
Don’t get me wrong. Other than reliability the D5 wins in every respect.[/QUOTE]

It definitely won't win with resale values,or maintenance costs.

[DiscoDB]

Does anybody have access to the sales figures for D4s in their last year before the D5 came on the market?

I believe monthly sales of the D4 peaked at 319 for the month of Feb 2016.