Extended Off-road Height D4

[wardy1]

Hi all. Just wondering if someone can tell me how to get the extra height I know is available in the D4. Ant seem to find any mention of it in the owners handbook
Thanks

[Reads90]

Hi all. Just wondering if someone can tell me how to get the extra height I know is available in the D4. Ant seem to find any mention of it in the owners handbook
Thanks

I was always told you press the up button again and hold it down. Then it will raise up again.

[PerthDisco]

It is selectable only when the car detects it is bellied out like on the beach with all wheels spinning.

To simulate in the garage put in off road height then use the jack or a block of wood under the chassis. Lower the car and it will give you the option to go into extended and super extended modes as below to clear the “obstacle”. A useful trick you can also achieve with rods or Llams.

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Credit GOE Terrain Response Booklet and recommend everyone buys one for the glovebox if they are still being sold.

[INter674]

I've tried all buttons and could not replicate once when the dash came up with the option to go higher. It happened when we were going up a steep grassy slope..some wheelspin..then the messsge came up..and up we went by pressing the up button again.

Have not been able to do it again since. I'm told you can force it by lowering the car onto a block.

[INter674]

..see above☺

[scarry]

..see above☺

i recon that would smash the POS LR jack.[bigsad]
It really isn't fit for purpose,even doing what it should be able of doing,jacking up the vehicle.

I have used the extra height numerous times.

Once the vehicle loses traction,in off road height,a message will appear on the dash.It will tell you what to do,from memory push EAS button and hold foot on brake.It will then raise a bit more,and lower at about 8km/hr,once the vehicle is mobile.Make sure all doors are shut.
Handy in sand,a bit more room to get the long handled shovel under.

[Tombie]

Or press the button on Xlifter [emoji41]

[loanrangie]

If you have a GAP tool, setup the 3 preset buttons so that just going to offroad height effectively gives you extended mode.

[gavinwibrow]

Or press the button on Xlifter [emoji41]


Same principle for LLAMS?

[Tombie]

Same principle for LLAMS?

Similar. Xlifter has a few additional height options.

[wardy1]

Thanks for the responses guys.
Hey Tombie, a bit more info on X Lifter please?

[veebs]

Thanks for the responses guys.
Hey Tombie, a bit more info on X Lifter please?

XLifter | Self-levelling Air Suspension Controller for Land Rovers Discovery and Range Rovers (https://www.xlifter.com/)

[John_D4]

Xlifter and llambs seem much of a muchness from what I’m reading. Is it a ford vs Holden type of thing?

[Eric SDV6SE]

Just read up on Xlifter, has 7 height settings, wireless comms to the hidden controller and upgradeable software. Levelling feature is cool (max 4.5 degrees). Apparently smart phone app coming soon, this may do away with the controller altogether.

Me like very much.

[DiscoJeffster]

Just read up on Xlifter, has 7 height settings, wireless comms to the hidden controller and upgradeable software. Levelling feature is cool (max 4.5 degrees). Apparently smart phone app coming soon, this may do away with the controller altogether.

Me like very much.

As soon as you have to get your phone out, open an app, it’s lost on me. Something like this needs to be split second change - eg switch, controller.

If I have to open an app I might as well open IID App.

[John_D4]

As soon as you have to get your phone out, open an app, it’s lost on me. Something like this needs to be split second change - eg switch, controller.

If I have to open an app I might as well open IID App.

You know what, I’m wondering the same thing. I’m a tech person, but if I have to open an app why not just buy an iid and adjust the height with that.

Please correct me if I’m wrong as I don’t have iiD, llams or xlifter. One of the 3 are on the shopping list tho.

[scarry]

Please correct me if I’m wrong as I don’t have iiD, llams or xlifter. One of the 3 are on the shopping list tho.

I have had my D4 since new and done a heap of off road work,and never really needed any of them.

Sure maybe once or twice it would have been nice to have,but have had no worries without it.

I have the GAP tool,but never used it to raise the vehicle.

[Eric SDV6SE]

As soon as you have to get your phone out, open an app, it’s lost on me. Something like this needs to be split second change - eg switch, controller.

If I have to open an app I might as well open IID App.

The unit comes as standard with a wireless controller (your "switch") The blurb on the website talks about being able to upgrade the controller via a smartphone app as a later upgrade.
This x lifter is to change the ride height with more 4 more options re height settings than standard 3. Just like Llams, although Llams has 3 extra height settings i think. Both are hardwired in "piggy back" style onto the EAS ECU . The xlifter includes a levelling switch allowing independantly different heights per corner and runs the controller wirelessly.

Llams is hardwired to the control knob and has no levelling feature other than what the car already does.

Both seem really capable.

GAP iid and Rovacom VCIQ are diagnostic devices that can be used to calibrate the EAS only.

[DiscoJeffster]

GAP iid are diagnostic devices that can be used to calibrate the EAS only.

Ah ha. You sir are wrong here. Gap has a dedicated menu with three preset height settings just for going off-road. Open app, into menu, push new height setting. New height attained. They are configurable to whatever mm raise or lower you’d like within the parameters of the EAS.
So I have the app ability, and I find it too slow for regular use. Fine for occasional use when I go away. I set a new height at the start of the off road part of the trip and lower at the end.
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[dirvine]

When I was getting my car serviced recently the Indy had a Xlifter on show. Price was $780 from memory. The Llams is about $580. So there is a difference in price. Is that difference worth the extra height settings and self leveling aspect of the Xlifter? I do not sleep in my car so the leveling aspect is lost for me. I use the LLams as the car is always on its lowest setting around town as it makes getting into the car easier my my old body.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Ah ha. You sir are wrong here. Gap has a dedicated menu with three preset height settings just for going off-road. Open app, into menu, push new height setting. New height attained. They are configurable to whatever mm raise or lower you’d like within the parameters of the EAS.
So I have the app ability, and I find it too slow for regular use. Fine for occasional use when I go away. I set a new height at the start of the off road part of the trip and lower at the end.
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Thanks DJ i stand corrected, im just a poor rovacom pleb. Still like the gadgetry of the x lifter though...

[Tombie]

As soon as you have to get your phone out, open an app, it’s lost on me. Something like this needs to be split second change - eg switch, controller.

If I have to open an app I might as well open IID App.

**Optional** Mobile App

It has a controller standard. Uses BT to the module, Wifi upgradeability.

7 preset height settings, and manual 5mm adjustments to trim. Plus the levelling function.

This is a couple of shots from my controller during install.
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[gavinwibrow]

**Optional** Mobile App

It has a controller standard. Uses BT to the module, Wifi upgradeability.

7 preset height settings, and manual 5mm adjustments to trim. Plus the levelling function.

This is a couple of shots from my controller during install.



So Tombie, we know you like your toys, so on the assumption you have had a chance to test it out, care to comment on what are the comparisons with LLAMBS, apart from the new/stand alone self levelling function and 5mm increments? Cheers

[Blue C]

I have had the LLAMS for almost 6 yrs on my 2014 D4. I'm very happy with it and had one on my D3 before that. I admit I don't use it a lot but it's nice to use at +30 on fast gravel and selecting extra height prior to obstacles that might scrape underbelly as mentioned earlier. It's never failed, is easy to use, straightforward to install and doesn't need an app (I seem to be collecting so many apps for 4WDing I could almost have more than one iPhone to run them all!). I'd happily recommend it. David

[Tombie]

So Tombie, we know you like your toys, so on the assumption you have had a chance to test it out, care to comment on what are the comparisons with LLAMBS, apart from the new/stand alone self levelling function and 5mm increments? Cheers

Sure.

So far i've had it out and tested it a little. There's a few more interlocks in its software - so it will allow more behaviors and then limited those that can hurt the vehicle.

LLams has 4 settings by default lowered, normal, +30 +50 and a few extras like Fade Out and over-ride.

Xlifter has 3 lower settings -15, -25, -35, normal, 3 raised heights as well as the 5mm increments. If you select the +75mm and then the vehicle goes into raise mode, it will bring the extra height off to prevent over-extending.

Interface on Xlifter is almost immediate start when a change is selected, Llams has a delay unless a height change on the dash is instigated.

Display on Xlifter shows where the sensors are reading as bar graphs.

Calibration on Xlifter is easier and faster (hardly a concern).


Either is a very good system and both are worthy of consideration - just depends on your budget and taste.

I've since been running the vehicle on road on -15mm as default.

[101RRS]

I've since been running the vehicle on road on -15mm as default.

I have been doing that for a number of years - when I changed tyres two years ago I got the wheel alignment done with the suspension in TTM but at -15. In reality there is no appreciable difference in wheel alignment between normal onroad height and -15 and it is certainly well within specified tolerances for onroad height.

Garry

[ChrisS]

It won't solve your problem but there is a pretty good video on you tube showing just how far the suspension is capable of raising. It's pretty far. Amazing actually. Its under "oxmanagain" Super Extended Mode. He's also got some other videos that are interesting.