Don't you hate it when some people know it all?

[AK83]

AStPW!!
His recent vid lambasting the recent journo releases about the new defender has to be a great laugh!
I hate to admit, I do like his channel, but only for the travel content.
Any of the tech videos he releases, I generally ignore.

But his recent vid re the Defender release has him reminiscing of his younger days when the D2 was released and he was part of the in crowd back then.

I won't explain his gaff about the D2's inner workings, but the hint is at about the 13min mark he goes on a bit about how well he knows the D2.
Don't have to watch the whole vid, just a min or two from about the 12:30 mark and listen to what he says on the specs of the D2.

A bit further along he then compares driving the D1 vs the D2 to show us all the differences between the two.
The humourous part tho is his self assessment that "he knows how to drive off road" [bighmmm]
His arrogance is amazing!
I think the (SA) LR person was right in that he needs a bit of re-edumacation.
I'd be curious if anyone else notices what he's done wrong/differently.

[101RRS]

Sorry - who you talking about - no idea. What vid??

Please explain.

[Tombie]

Sorry - who you talking about - no idea. What vid??

Please explain.

The Saffa’ Self proclaimed 4wd expert.

Now he’s a Cane Toad and still has NFI.

[ozscott]

Good to know though that the D2 auto has a viscous centre diff. Makes it so much better than the manual [emoji1787]. This isn't the first time he has said this. We won't mention that the D2 unlocked needs some practice to drive the traction control properly...its not quite point and shoot.

Cheers

[Blknight.aus]

someone PM me a link to this stuff, Im about to have a crap day and will need a laugh when i get home

[Ancient Mariner]

The Saffa’ Self proclaimed 4wd expert.

Now he’s a Cane Toad and still has NFI. Please explain


AM

[87County]

You're too sensible to get involved AM...... :)

but this gives you a link into a world where no sane man wants to be


Andrew St Pierre White | 4xOverland (https://4xoverland.com/andrew-st-pierre-white/)

[Tombie]

Please explain


AM

Introduced species, causes more problems than it solves and impossible to get rid of.

[Ancient Mariner]

Introduced species, causes more problems than it solves and impossible to get rid of. Well aware ,I thought he was a sand grubber .You had me worried he had bypassed the border closure[bigsad]

AM

[donh54]

Here in Qld, a Cane Toad refers to them what live in NSW.
I agree that his videos have some great points, but he should not be let to explain anything more mechanically complex than a folding chair.
Introduced species, causes more problems than it solves and impossible to get rid of.

[AK83]

Good to know though that the D2 auto has a viscous centre diff. Makes it so much better than the manual [emoji1787]. This isn't the first time he has said this. We won't mention that the D2 unlocked needs some practice to drive the traction control properly...its not quite point and shoot.

Cheers

[bigrolf]
Got it in one [thumbsupbig]

If you had the strength of mind to watch further(I didn't), he then follows up with a comparison drive between D1 and D2 at a place where he had trouble with the D2(and it's lack of CDL) and 'shows' how the D1 made it through but the D2 doesn't.

What the idiot doesn't realise is 1/. he takes a different line with the D1, giving it more grip on the front spinning wheel(hence it doesn't get stuck) and 2/. he used so much more momentum in the D1 that it didn't have a chance to get caught with the front wheel in the air for a fraction of the time the D2 did.

Here's the link to the vid: YouTube (https://youtu.be/r5GROOU5OpE)

The first 12 minutes just sound like whining, with a twist of sour grapes about how lacking in knowledge all other journos are. At about the 13min mark he claims that the auto version of the D2 uses a viscous locking transfer case, that the manual version doesn't have!
Then for 2 1/2 minutes comes the painful part about how well he knows how to drive, and how well he knows Landrovers! [bighmmm] And note the three drives over the obstacle course.

[PhilipA]

I must admit that yesterday I watched a Youtube by him on the various plusses and minusses of Lithium Batteries vs Agm.

I thoought it was excellent.

I have done quite a bit of research on Lithiums and his specialist was pretty on the money AFAIK.

The only new thing I learned was that it is best to look for a Prismatic Lithium battery, rather than one with heaps of those 18260 ( or whatever they are called ) as the specialist claimed the small battery jobs can have solder joints fail on rough roads.

hasn't hurt Tesla much though with their small battery daisy chains. But then they do not go on corrugations.
Regards PhilipA

[Tombie]

I must admit that yesterday I watched a Youtube by him on the various plusses and minusses of Lithium Batteries vs Agm.

I thoought it was excellent.

I have done quite a bit of research on Lithiums and his specialist was pretty on the money AFAIK.

The only new thing I learned was that it is best to look for a Prismatic Lithium battery, rather than one with heaps of those 18260 ( or whatever they are called ) as the specialist claimed the small battery jobs can have solder joints fail on rough roads.

hasn't hurt Tesla much though with their small battery daisy chains. But then they do not go on corrugations.
Regards PhilipA

Prismatic cells suffer from poorer thermal management and die quicker.

They are also very sensitive to deformation under pressure and cost more per watt.

Their common use is in packaging situations where space is premium - like a mobile or laptop.

Again, a case of this guy (StPoop) talking out his wazoo.

[drivesafe]

Hi Phillip, his lithium video was a total waste of time.

His “expert”, at one point, had to go and look up what he was talking about.

If any one wants to be fair dinkum about any form of battery comparison, they first need to know about the different battery types being compared.

These two clown know little about either battery type and were just parroting the usual advertising B/S used by shonky lithium battery sellers.

[Saitch]

Bloody Hell, I hope I never get asked to do a 'Product Review' for this forum![biggrin]

[Tombie]

Bloody Hell, I hope I never get asked to do a 'Product Review' for this forum![biggrin]

Just do one truthfully and accurately. [emoji41]

And if you don’t know something be forthright in admitting that.


StPoop did one on an ARB TPMS and complained constantly the unit was faulty. The reality was he had no idea how to operate it, had installed it upside down even!
Slagged it as being malfunctioning when he hadn’t even set it up.

Sadly he has a strong following of people who wouldn’t realise that he has no idea what he’s talking about.

[Slunnie]

I think he tickles his own fancy.

[PhilipA]

Look , The video made many good points that are pretty well unarguable.
I will quote a few.
1 Use only a DC DC charger with a Lithium setting, and its surprising how few there are about at a reasonable cost.

2 Do not put a Lithium under bonnet as the Lithium becomes more reactive and the battery life shortens dramatically. I read an experimental report last week where the experimenters stored charged Lithium batteries at different temperatures and a 50C the test battery failed in 90 days.

If I were to put one underbonnet as I plan to I will fan cool it and it will be in the original tray.

3 The BMS in cheaper Lithiums are inadequate to run high current items such a inverters. As long as people with 200AH banks understand that they cannot reliably run a 2000watt Inverter something has been achieved.

4 And I sort of learned this as it was already somewhere in the back of my mind . If the Lithium is completely dead the DC DC charger will not recognize it and the DC DC charger can be reactivated by placing a 9volt battery across the Lithium terminals. This also applies to AGMs but if an AGM is that dead the odds are it is toast.

There are probably a few other items that those who are not electrically minded would not know. The issue is that there was no misinformation in the video.

Now I have fitted a smaller 34AH Lithium to my Camper trailer using a 10amp DC DC charger which isolates the Lithium from the car system .

So Don't be too hard on the technical bloke who had forgotten the word "prismatic" . Also I don't see that this is a negative. The best solar battery cells are prismatic.

Regards PhilipA

[AK83]

Just do one truthfully and accurately. [emoji41]

....

And this is the point!
Be truthful first and foremost, and accurate to the best of your knowledge.
When an inaccuracy is highlighted, then at least have the respect(ie truthfulness) to admit it wasn't as accurate as it could otherwise have been.

That's why I posted this thread. I highlighted StPoops . .. oops! I mean AStPW's error, and instead of researching it, he got defensive and his reply was for me to know my facts! [bighmmm]

[rick130]

Here in Qld, a Cane Toad refers to them what live in NSW.
I agree that his videos have some great points, but he should not be let to explain anything more mechanically complex than a folding chair.And here in NSW a cane toad is someone domiciled north of the Tweed! [emoji16][emoji23]

[Slunnie]

And here in NSW a cane toad is someone domiciled north of the Tweed! [emoji16][emoji23]
Same. QLDers are cane toads.


What does 'Cane toad' mean in Australia?
Australian slang 'Cane toad' meaning?

A person from Queensland (https://outbackdictionary.com/queensland/), named after the influx of the massive amounts of cane toads (animals) that have shown up in Queensland (https://outbackdictionary.com/queensland/) recently.



Canetoad (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=Canetoad)

An Australianism (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=Australianism) or Aussieism (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=Aussieism) for someone that resides or is born in Queensland.
Comes originally from a football war between two Australian States, Queensland and New South Wales (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=New%20South%20Wales).
People from New South Wales are also referred to as Cockroaches, also because of the football war.

The Canetoads are gonna kick the Cockroaches (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=Cockroaches) ass this State of Origin (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=State%20of%20Origin) match (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php'term=match).

[Saitch]

Why would a cockroach have an ass and why would you kick it?

[PhilipA]

Ah the memories of mowing under the fence and splattering 4 cane toads everywhere. Then taking off the grass catcher and touching my lips which went numb for several hours.

The poor old chooks used to peck them in their water trough and they would then die of a paralyzed throat.

After a storm in Brissy they would be all over the road and you would swerve to pop as many as you could.

Now you are not supposed to use them as cricket or golf balls but put them in the freezer to be "humane"

As if I feel any sympathy to a bloody cane toad.

Regards PhilipA

[ramblingboy42]

I'm sympathetic towards them , I sanitise them with dettol before I humanely freeze them , I mean I don't want any infections in my freezer , but they take off like a rocket and I don't seem to be able to catch them to freeze them.

[drivesafe]

I use a 50/50 mix of Dettol and metho in a spray bottle.

Once they are sprayed, they hop about a metre and then freeze where they land.

Job Done!

[ramblingboy42]

so you sanitise them and share your alcohol with them.....how kind.

[DazzaTD5]

Just to answer the OP's question...

Nope, I'm quite happy to let others flap their mouths.

"The empty vessel makes the loudest sound"

[DazzaTD5]

I had thought...
Cane Toads was in ref to QLDlanders.
Mexicans were NSW-people (as in across the border)

[101RRS]

I had thought...
Cane Toads was in ref to QLDlanders.
Mexicans were NSW-people (as in across the border)

Yep Cane Toads are Queenslanders but Mexicans are Victorians - as they are from south of the border.

[ramblingboy42]

Why would a cockroach have an ass and why would you kick it?

have you seen a cockroach nest.....**** everywhere.

let's bring another ****ty little pest in......that stinkin little pink lizard , which I will not call a gecko.

they seem to breed in our ceiling and **** down through the gaps between our cornices and our rough faced bricks.

they do not like mothballs so I throw mothballs around the ceiling spaces but that doesn't stop the little bastards from breeding elsewhere and ****ting all over our outside furniture.

now, can someone tell me , is there also a nice humane way , similar to the humane way I treat the cane toads, that can help me eliminate the little bastards?

[PhilipA]

Yes, just wait until they are in a doorjamb and close the door. You then also have a bookmark.

We have the native fat tail ones down here and they **** everywhere also but their nativeness? means that I love em.

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The broad-tailed gecko, southern leaf-tailed gecko, or Sydney leaf-tailed gecko is a common gecko of the family Carphodactylidae found in the Sydney Basin. The species uses its mottled colour to camouflage against bark or rock, and if threatened can drop its large fleshy tail as a decoy. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad-tailed_gecko)
Regards PhilipA
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[Homestar]

You're too sensible to get involved AM...... :)

but this gives you a link into a world where no sane man wants to be


Andrew St Pierre White | 4xOverland (https://4xoverland.com/andrew-st-pierre-white/)

Oh, him - Bit of an odd one that chap.

[DiscoMick]

Yes, just wait until they are in a doorjamb and close the door. You then also have a bookmark.

We have the native fat tail ones down here and they **** everywhere also but their nativeness? means that I love em.

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The broad-tailed gecko, southern leaf-tailed gecko, or Sydney leaf-tailed gecko is a common gecko of the family Carphodactylidae found in the Sydney Basin. The species uses its mottled colour to camouflage against bark or rock, and if threatened can drop its large fleshy tail as a decoy. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad-tailed_gecko)
Regards PhilipA
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Broad-Tailed_Gecko_Chatswood.jpg/220px-Broad-Tailed_Gecko_Chatswood.jpg (https://www.google.com/url'sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBroad-tailed_gecko&psig=AOvVaw3IL4K_1nIA0d2SYPaTtPqI&ust=1586326472808000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCMDXxuLU1egCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)
They chase mosquitoes and flies, so isn't that a good thing?

[Tombie]

have you seen a cockroach nest.....**** everywhere.

let's bring another ****ty little pest in......that stinkin little pink lizard , which I will not call a gecko.

they seem to breed in our ceiling and **** down through the gaps between our cornices and our rough faced bricks.

they do not like mothballs so I throw mothballs around the ceiling spaces but that doesn't stop the little bastards from breeding elsewhere and ****ting all over our outside furniture.

now, can someone tell me , is there also a nice humane way , similar to the humane way I treat the cane toads, that can help me eliminate the little bastards?

Yup. Baygon, Raid etc.

You haven’t seen Geckos until you’ve lived in Thailand [emoji41]

[PhilipA]

You haven’t seen Geckos until you’ve lived in Thailand

or KL.
It was worse for us in KL as in Thailand we lived in a 16th floor aircon apartment and didn't have any while in KL we has a house on 1/2 acre, along with 13 black cobras, a Mongoose ( which the dog killed) and many rats and geckos.

Regards PhilipA

[Blknight.aus]

Bloody Hell, I hope I never get asked to do a 'Product Review' for this forum![biggrin]

Dont be afraid, do it right and you can write pretty much anything you like so long as you deliver with the right attitude and nature.


Just do one truthfully and accurately. [emoji41]


nahh, wheres the fun in that...

Theres a few posts I've made that were quite intentionally inconceivably inaccurate that were received appropriately, well for the most part anyway....

[DiscoMick]

or KL.
It was worse for us in KL as in Thailand we lived in a 16th floor aircon apartment and didn't have any while in KL we has a house on 1/2 acre, along with 13 black cobras, a Mongoose ( which the dog killed) and many rats and geckos.

Regards PhilipAWe were in bed one night in Thailand when one of those things with the sticky feet lost grip on the ceiling and landed fair smack in the middle of our bed. I lay there laughing while the wife bolted.[emoji16]

[austastar]

...... one of those things with the sticky feet lost grip on the ceiling and landed fair smack in the middle of our bed.
Hi,
Ditto but Penang.
Cheers

[Blknight.aus]

someone PM me a link to this stuff, Im about to have a crap day and will need a laugh when i get home


You're too sensible to get involved AM...... :)

but this gives you a link into a world where no sane man wants to be



Annnd...

Mc Facepalm......

I feel like i did that thing that makes me want to say things like "you know how when people say smile, it could be worse so I smiled and lo, it got worse"...

so bad such no, I just want those minutes back... I'm not even going to reread and edit this post...

someone please, If I ever do something as inevitably regretable as to ask something like that again, follow up my post with a polite warning that I'm going to regret asking it if I check it.

This is the kind of woefeully bad that usually winds up with a new entry in the book.

you county87 are going to the special hell, the one reserved for child molesters and people who crinkle chip packets in cinemas.

[scarry]

They chase mosquitoes and flies, so isn't that a good thing?

We have heaps around here,and they crap on everything.[bigsad]

Not as bad as Thailand,but not far off.

If i can manage to catch one, it gets thrown outside for the Butcherbirds,they like them.

Some are huge,probably around 5 to 6 inches long.

[ramblingboy42]

Yup. Baygon, Raid etc.

You haven’t seen Geckos until you’ve lived in Thailand [emoji41]

I know what you mean, I havent lived there permanently but had a couple of brief jobs there with the army.

It's the same lizard as far as I know.

I might try your method...it is humane isn't it?[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

Have you got the little bastards in Whyalla? I've never noticed when I'm down that way.

[Tombie]

Haven’t seen any around Whyalla.

The Baygon method is ok if you aren’t holding a cigar lighter flame in front of the can when you spray them. [emoji48]

[4bee]

Haven’t seen any around Whyalla.

The Baygon method is ok if you aren’t holding a cigar lighter flame in front of the can when you spray them. [emoji48]



Why on earth would any sane & caring person do that?


Shirley not you Mr Tombs?

[scarry]

Haven’t seen any around Whyalla.

The Baygon method is ok if you aren’t holding a cigar lighter flame in front of the can when you spray them. [emoji48]

But what does want to live in Whyalla[tonguewink]

Seriously,i hate insecticides,try never to use them,but sometimes its the only way.

[Tombie]

But what does want to live in Whyalla[tonguewink]

Seriously,i hate insecticides,try never to use them,but sometimes its the only way.

Mate - love it here. Moved here 15 years ago after coming up here for work trips.

No Red dust issues for over 10 years
150m to the beach from my house
Ocean views
Great fishing
Flinders Ranges 45 min away
Great offroad driving 5 min away

Day trips to Gawler Ranges, Flinders, Lincoln, Coffin Bay, West Coast SA.

Only bit that sucks - no Bunnings within 2.5 hours. (So that’s a good day trip too)

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Over the weekend I was talking to a 20 something year old male about towing capacity, motor vehicles and car trailers. He insisted he had towed his mates GU Patrol with his Toyota Hilux from the Gold Coast to Bundaberg. This task was accomplished just by using a standard U-Haul trailer. According to them a GU Nissan Patrol weighs in at 4 tonnes by the way!

I asked him to repeat the weight - yes I heard correcly the first time. A GU Nissan Patrol comes in at a weight of 4 tonnes. I was treated like a right dill by asking him to repeat it.

Funny how the International 1973 D-Series 1210 Four wheel drive van I had weighed on a weighbridge only weighs in at 2.56 tonnes. It was so hard not to shake my head when I walked away. But I knew better to point out the comparative weights between a GU Patrol and a D-Series Inter and the difference in size, capacity (GVM) and yes, TARE weight.

Kind regards
Lionel

[scarry]

Mate - love it here. Moved here 15 years ago after coming up here for work trips.

No Red dust issues for over 10 years
150m to the beach from my house
Ocean views
Great fishing
Flinders Ranges 45 min away
Great offroad driving 5 min away

Day trips to Gawler Ranges, Flinders, Lincoln, Coffin Bay, West Coast SA.

Only bit that sucks - no Bunnings within 2.5 hours. (So that’s a good day trip too)

And i bet no traffic,which is a killer here.

Yes,having Bunnings that far a way would be a PITA.

[Tombie]

Why on earth would any sane & caring person do that?

Shirley not you Mr Tombs?

I was asked if using Baygon was humane.
I responded by eluding that as long as it wasn’t used as a makeshift flame thrower it would probably be alright.

Closest I’ve got to that was a gallon of 91 Octane down a fire ant hole and a match.

[4bee]

I was asked if using Baygon was humane.
I responded by eluding that as long as it wasn’t used as a makeshift flame thrower it would probably be alright.

Closest I’ve got to that was a gallon of 91 Octane down a fire ant hole and a match.


I didn't think I imagined that[happycry] maybe it read wrong.but it is a wonder you are still here, all that fuel & a sudden Kabooooom. I bet the ants were not happy.

[Tombie]

I didn't think I imagined that[happycry] maybe it read wrong.but it is a wonder you are still here, all that fuel & a sudden Kabooooom. I bet the ants were not happy.

It was spectacular :)

Many, many, many years ago we took a couple of weather balloons and some Acetylene tanks to Silver Sands beach.
Dug a big hole, inflated the balloon with acetylene and places in hole.
Remote fuse trigger [emoji48]

It was most impressive. Round 2 was even better, we got the mushroom cloud. [emoji56]

[3toes]

Used to make my own bangers with black powder. Feed them lit to the cane toad who will eat anything placed in front of it. They then hop off and expand like a toad fish but are tough enough contain the explosion so no mess. Gather up and dispose of dead toads. Not economic but young enough at the time to be amused. As they died instantly was considered to be human.

[scarry]

Closest I’ve got to that was a gallon of 91 Octane down a fire ant hole and a match.

We used Dieldren(spelling) on them in my day.Couple of spoonfuls down the nest,and they would never be seen again.It was deadly stuff.Green ant nests got the same treatment.Small nests a teaspoon of the poison was all that was needed.
The old man had a 5 gallon drum of the stuff.As we now know,not a nice poison at all.

As for Toads,we did al sorts of things to them.Air rifles,golf clubs,fire crackers,metho,etc,etc.

[ramblingboy42]

I'd live in Whyalla , but swmbo wouldn't.

I'd live in any of the SA coastal towns backlit by the Flinders Ranges.

And then there's the SA deserts , which I love and have many friends living and working there on cattle stations.

Thats why I travel into those areas a couple of times each year.

[windsock]

You're too sensible to get involved AM...... :)

but this gives you a link into a world where no sane man wants to be


Andrew St Pierre White | 4xOverland (https://4xoverland.com/andrew-st-pierre-white/)

Never heard of him even though should as he states he is "The household name among the world’s 4WD overland explorers."

His website on first visit reminds me a lot of several scenes from Team America... featuring Matt Damon. YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPWJOJYVKc)

[V8Ian]

Never heard of him even though should as he states he is "The household name among the world’s 4WD overland explorers."

His website on first visit reminds me a lot of several scenes from Team America... featuring Matt Damon. YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPWJOJYVKc)
Oh yes, he's a legend in his own lunchbox. A self proclaimed expert with minimal knowledge.

[4bee]

Oh yes, he's a legend in his own lunchbox. A self proclaimed expert with minimal knowledge.


Speaking of Lunch Boxes I though you meant Marco Pierre White, Celebrity Chef.

enfant terrible of the London Restaurant scene. Maybe it is his bruv?

[V8Ian]

Speaking of Lunch Boxes I though you meant Marco Pierre White, Celebrity Chef.

enfant terrible of the London Restaurant scene. Maybe it is his bruv?
They've probably got equal knowledge about four wheel driving generally and Land Rover in particular. [bigwhistle]

[DiscoMick]

Why on earth would any sane & caring person do that?


Shirley not you Mr Tombs?They're harmless, so I just pick them up, take them outside and put them under a bush for protection from the butcher bird family which have adopted our backyard as a home territory.
The young butchie came to visit me at breakfast today and tried to steal my toast.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200408/732b862dfe6b712f99ac33c0f6b0d13b.jpg

[windsock]

... a 20 something year old male about towing capacity, motor vehicles and car trailers.
According to them a GU Nissan Patrol weighs in at 4 tonnes by the way!
A GU Nissan Patrol comes in at a weight of 4 tonnes.

Did you consider the weight of the residual ego of nissan drivers to the overall TARE?

[jonesfam]

People who know it all!
My, relatively new, assistant manager is a bit like that.
He is very good at telling me how good he is.
He is also very good at telling others they are wrong, that they should think/believe what he thinks/believes & he also likes to tell everyone what he has done & where he has been.
No matter what some has done he has done it bigger & better. No matter where someone has been he has been there & it was better when he was there.
He is also just a little condescending to most people.

Basically an obnoxious, opinionated person who is not very good at his job.
One of the main reasons I have an assistant manger is so I can take time off, during the 2 longer breaks I have had (4.5 weeks & 1.5 weeks) he has called me constantly & 1 time called my Boss to get me back here.
But he is really good at his job, knows it all plus some & has lots of opinions on how to fix all the worlds problems. Pity he can't fix some Roadhouse problems.

Anyway, I consider myself very lucky to have him since anything I am in anyway unsure of he will have the answer, in fact, even if I am sure & have done it a thousand times before he will tell me how to do it.
Just as well I'm a **** listener!

Jonesfam

[Slunnie]

People who know it all!

People like that seem to bull**** their way from job to job to job and do poorly at all of them. They don't seem to realise that people see straight through them.

[RANDLOVER]

People like that seem to bull**** their way from job to job to job and do poorly at all of them. They don't seem to realise that people see straight through them.

That's because they are self deluded, I work with a clown like that and one day he was blathering on about how he'd been everywhere and done everything. One of our contractors was having lunch next to us, and when the bloke with the mouth had left he asked me "How old is that bloke?", I said "About fifty" and he said "Are you sure he is not a hundred and fifty?". So goes to show these types can fool the feeble minded and inexperienced, but not anyone with a bit of knowledge.

[Saitch]

That's because they are self deluded, I work with a clown like that and one day he was blathering on about how he'd been everywhere and done everything. One of our contractors was having lunch next to us, and when the bloke with the mouth had left he asked me "How old is that bloke?", I said "About fifty" and he said "Are you sure he is not a hundred and fifty?". So goes to show these types can fool the feeble minded and inexperienced, but not anyone with a bit of knowledge.

We had a bloke like that where I used to work. I christened him ' The Iceman', as he had to be 300 years old to have had all his lifetime episodes plus, he was only early 30s!

[drivesafe]

Look , The video made many good points that are pretty well unarguable.
I will quote a few.
1 Use only a DC DC charger with a Lithium setting, and its surprising how few there are about at a reasonable cost.
While it is recommended to use a a DC/DC charger with lithium charge algorithms, but you actually do not need a DC/DC charger with lithium settings to charge lithium batteries if you are just charging from an alternator ( via a DC/DC charger ). Because no one drives long enough to get the benefits of a lithium dedicated charger so no loss or harm done.



2 Do not put a Lithium under bonnet as the Lithium becomes more reactive and the battery life shortens dramatically. I read an experimental report last week where the experimenters stored charged Lithium batteries at different temperatures and a 50C the test battery failed in 90 days.
If I were to put one underbonnet as I plan to I will fan cool it and it will be in the original tray.
While the fan “might” keep the battery cooler while the motor is running, but unless you run the fan for a considerable time after the motor is turned off, the heat coming off the motor after it is turned off and no longer has air flowing pasted the motor, this heat will still cook a lithium battery.



3 The BMS in cheaper Lithiums are inadequate to run high current items such a inverters. As long as people with 200AH banks understand that they cannot reliably run a 2000watt Inverter something has been achieved.
Agree on this point but the battery they were using was not that great in the first place. A single one of my AMPS brand 100Ah Lithium batteries will power a 2000w inverter.



4 And I sort of learned this as it was already somewhere in the back of my mind . If the Lithium is completely dead the DC DC charger will not recognize it and the DC DC charger can be reactivated by placing a 9volt battery across the Lithium terminals.
This is not correct, as the clown himself found out. Most DC/DC charger will reactivate the BMS in a lithium battery that has shut down because the battery was fully discharged.
It is 230vac battery chargers that will not reactivate the BMS in a lithium battery that has shut down because the battery was fully discharged. If the battery charger is a good quality one, then all you need to do is set the battery charger to POWER SUPPLY mode and this will reactivate the BMS.
Once the BMS is back on, switch the battery charger back to BATTERY CHARGE mode and let it do its job.



There are probably a few other items that those who are not electrically minded would not know. The issue is that there was no misinformation in the video.
The video contained misinformation and a total lack of any useful information.
Information like what to look for when trying to get a good quality lithium battery. Or how to test a lithium battery to see if you actually got what you paid for.
Once again, that video is a total waste of time.

[Ancient Mariner]

Most lithium batteries are not recomended for engine starting but most battery type jump starters are lithium ,reasons ?

[Saitch]

The propagation of forum threads!

[PhilipA]

Drivesafe I respect your experience and admire your ability to promote your business.

However in my experience the majority of people do not want a "superior" Lithium battery for maybe over $1000 but one that will do the job they want for much less.

The report by the subject of this video was about the cheaper end of the Lithium market ie the volume end that most people look at and the end that causes most angst when the batteries do not perform to often unrealistic expectations.

One very prominent ebay seller has obviously been barred from ebay recently due to misrepresentation of the capacity of his batteries . I suspect he is back using another name..

In my case I want a Lithium battery to run my fridge for as long as possible at the lowest cost and am not interested in running a 2000watt inverter.

So I am looking at the lowest priced Lithium battery that meets its specs . I do not have room except for under the bonnet, and I intend to use a temperature tracker to ascertain what temperature the stock battery box gets to. I think there would be many on this forum with similar requirements .

I am more concerned about the starting battery which is next to the turbo but my blue top seems to be coping well after 2.75 years at still 700+ CCA.


i
nformation like what to look for when trying to get a good quality lithium battery. Or how to test a lithium battery to see if you actually got what you paid for.


Once again, that video is a total waste of time.


Well we would all love that. At present all we can rely on is word of mouth. There have been tests of Renology in the USA which show that they meet spec.
A friend of mine bought some cheapies from the Ebay seller and found them to be junk. He got a refund .Ebay rated the seller as 100% even though it was junk so that is no indication. However they have now taken him off.

He is now happy with his latest purchase but I haven't found out the brand.

I couldn't find AMPS brand on Google. Could you advise pricing and specs to the forum?

Regards PhilipA

[Tombie]

In this case you’ve provided perfect evidence of the stubbornness of wanting “new tech” when the tech is completely unsuited to your needs, wants or application.

If it’s going under bonnet - it’s AGM for you.

The fan running will reduce capacity / benefits
It will heat soak
Cheaper cells don’t last
DCDC will add a cost you don’t need

A decent AGM will weight a bit, partially offset by not needing a fan/bracket/dcdc etc.

You’ll be able to replace an AGM 3-5 times before you come close to cost.

[Slunnie]

Totally agree Tombie. Get a good AGM and they last for a very long time as well!

[PhilipA]

Where is your spirit of adventure? If you don't try new things you will never have new experiences.

I already have fitted a Lithium 34AH to my camper trailer run through a 10amp DC DC charger in the back of the car to run the lights and water pump. The fridge is in the car.
I have not had such a terrific run with AGM batteries as house batteries including Optima Yellow where the bloody thing leaked through the negative terminal after a couple of years in my RRC. Similarly a Supercharge dropped a cell after a couple of years. I cannot recall what happened to my latest AGM as I think I changed it as a precaution before my latest round OZ trip.

I fitted a wet battery 100AH Century 2.75 years ago and it is still going strong . This was as a stopgap until I could afford a Lithium or fit another AGM, hoping that by now the Lithium battery price would drop from the over $1000 that it was then. HA Ha all the scholars who said that they would halve in price are somewhat wrong.( for the same quality)

But something I didn't realise with a wet battery is that the charge rate drops to almost nothing after say 80%. This meant that my 8-9 amp solar panel was only putting say 1.5-2amps into the battery unless the fridge cuts in when it would go up to 5 or so. This meant that it did not get quite to 100% on the second day. It is satisfactory at the moment but I want to see what is possible.

I do lots of things that others do not try, like fitting a Thor manifold on a 14CUX for example or fitting a second alternator to a 91 RRC or fitting the only Provent clone that fits in a D2 when you have a second battery (which works very well thank you) , or switching the starting battery to the second position and placing the house battery in the original position. Or maybe fitting a CDL with the transfer case in Situ.

Some may not work but most do.

I do not think that the original battery position gets too hot as it is on the "cold " side of the engine and already has ventilation behind the headlight but I will place a data logger there to see.

If too hot I may fit a fan and maybe a time delay relay to the fan. In addition be aware that the failure of the test Lithium was at a Constant 50C and fully charged. My usage of the car certainly will not be constant and I doubt I have 10 years to live anyway .
My most immediate little project is to see whether putting an extra hole in the filter housing base with an input behind the headlight will do anything for top end performance , seeing the UK map makers insist no snorkel on highly tuned TD5. maybe so maybe not but lets see. I have bought a housing from a forum member and await its arrival.

Be adventurous . My little projects keep my mind active.

Regards PhilipA

[drivesafe]

Hi again Phillip and mate, be adventurous, but please don’t use that clown’s “expert advice” as any sort of guidance for what you are planning.


Also, not sure why your lead acid battery only charged to 80% but is more likely a problem with your original setup.

Even if this was the case, you will quickly discover that if your lead acid battery was low when you started your drive to recharge it, that it would have reached that 80% charged state far quicker than you will get your lithium from a low state to 80%.


Something else to consider as well. Constant VOLTAGE charging ( by an alternator ) of a lead acid battery is a totally different form of charging to the constant CURRENT charging ( DC/DC, Solar and Battery Chargers ), you will be using on your lithium battery.


The constant VOLTAGE charging is why your lead acid battery would reach the 80% ( or higher in most other setups ) far quicker than your lithium can.


The terminal voltage on your lithium battery will remain low until roughly the final 10 or so percentage of the charge cycle.

[bob10]

Hi again Phillip and mate, be adventurous, but please don’t use that clown’s “expert advice” as any sort of guidance for what you are planning.


Also, not sure why your lead acid battery only charged to 80% but is more likely a problem with your original setup.

Even if this was the case, you will quickly discover that if your lead acid battery was low when you started your drive to recharge it, that it would have reached that 80% charged state far quicker than you will get your lithium from a low state to 80%.


Something else to consider as well. Constant VOLTAGE charging ( by an alternator ) of a lead acid battery is a totally different form of charging to the constant CURRENT charging ( DC/DC, Solar and Battery Chargers ), you will be using on your lithium battery.


The constant VOLTAGE charging is why your lead acid battery would reach the 80% ( or higher in most other setups ) far quicker than your lithium can.


The terminal voltage on your lithium battery will remain low until roughly the final 10 or so percentage of the charge cycle.


Hullo Drivesafe. I've been following this thread with interest. I'm not an expert, so I normally default to people like yourself, who actually know what they're talking about. To that end, what do you think about this product, which is a lithium starter battery. Developed in Western Australia.


Lithium Car Battery 12V Stop Start 1300CCA iTECH1420CA 60Ah | iTechworld (https://itechworld.com.au/collections/lithium-batteries/products/1420ca-12-volt-lithium-battery-itech1420-cranking)

[PhilipA]

Also, not sure why your lead acid battery only charged to 80% but is more likely a problem with your original setup.
I didn't say that.
My LA battery is fully charged on day 1.
I usually pretty quickly place it on a solar panel.
Over the day it will remain pretty well charged and overnight drop down because of my old Engel fridge load.

The next morning it starts at say 12.2 then the solar panel quickly rises to 14.4 Volts, then drops charge to 1-2 amps and 13.4 volts.

This is less than the fridge demand so every time the fridge activates it goes back up to 14.4 volts and say 5 amps.

But this drops off at about 4PM so the fridge overnight draw draws it down to a bit below say 12 volts or 11.9.
And so on.
I appreciate an AGM would probably fully charge quicker and as I explained the LA was a cheap interim solution.

My setup is quite good with a supposedly 250 watt panel,( 1m by 1.1m) which seems to actually be about 150 watt and a GSL 12 amp MPPT controller which won a design award .Peak seen is about 8.5 -9 amps through a in line amp meter , but I don't let the battery get down too low so the achievable peak current may be actually more.

Up until now I have used a ABR controller which decouples at 12.4 volts but I have now replaced this with just an ignition controlled solenoid. There may have been some interaction between the Optima Blue top and the LA battery when charging which caused the LA to not fully charge as the AGM Optima is usually still connected when I attach the solar panel. This may have been the problem.

I have not had time to test my revised setup yet because of home isolation.

Both batteries are in good condition with the LA reading about 97AH and the Optima about 740CCA.
Regards PhilipA

[drivesafe]

Hullo Drivesafe. I've been following this thread with interest. I'm not an expert, so I normally default to people like yourself, who actually know what they're talking about. To that end, what do you think about this product, which is a lithium starter battery. Developed in Western Australia.


Lithium Car Battery 12V Stop Start 1300CCA iTECH1420CA 60Ah | iTechworld (https://itechworld.com.au/collections/lithium-batteries/products/1420ca-12-volt-lithium-battery-itech1420-cranking)
Hi Bob, and first off, I personally, would never use a lithium battery as a cranking battery.

Going on info coming out of Europe, there is a huge potential to frying your vehicles electronics, if the lithium battery’s BMS shuts down for any reason while the motor is running.

This is not something that can happen with a lead acid battery, even one that is stuffed.

Second, you need to do a search of that specific brand of products because they are renowned for falsifying specs for their products.

But it’s your call.

[drivesafe]

Hi Phillip and it sounds like a problem with your solar controller, where it is going into FLOAT mode too soon in the charge cycle.

If your battery was still drawing 1-2 amps in FLOAT mode, it would still have been drawing maximum solar amps if the regulator stayed in CHARGE mode.

Furthermore, if the solar regulator has user settings, then it should be set to 14.7v for maximum charge capability for a lead acid battery ( wet cell or AGM ).

[PhilipA]

Thanks mate I will check that out.
There is no adjustemnt on the GSL.
As I foolishly believed the panel was 250watts I bought a cheapo MPPT on ebay with a 15 amp capacity.
However it put out 1 amp less than the GSL under the same conditions..

Regards PhilipA

[Tombie]

Be adventurous... ok... [emoji41]

First Thor manifold onto a 3.9, with a stroker kit, with a Supercharger, running Haltech Sequential EFI. Already did that [emoji41]

Multi battery configurations - yep, done that too.

Using newer tech for the sake of it is not being adventurous. Especially when the newer tech isn’t suitable to application. A strong discussion can be had using lighting as a topic.

Guess what we just went and did on our Heavy Haul fleet that runs 24/7 on our site?! Wired in heavy bypass looms and removed the LED lighting and went with Xenon Filament lighting.

Our drivers were suffering eye strain against the low contrast environment and several animal strikes were common per shift.

We’ve now pulled the low CRI lighting out, gone Xenon Filament and now - no eye strain, less animal strikes as the drivers say they can see them easier.

Newer isn’t always the correct solution.

[ozscott]

I'm sticking with AGM for now for Fridge, camp power etc. I have a 5 year old Full River that just keeps on trucking. When you have nearly a tonn of carrying capacity you don't have to go the lightest necessarily even though I try to keep weight down.

I like the lights on the Triton. Very well sorted LED. The D2 bulbs are kinder and so are well set us Xenons but for sheer grunt I love the LED high and low beams. I have acclimatised to them too.

Cheers