Upper tailgate brake light replacing

[Stuart02]

I know there's mentions of the above that I can't find sorry.

So the upper tailgate brake lens is cracked and the tailgate leaking.

I'm told it's tricky to replace. Is this so and if it's not a DIY, who's best to get to do that kind of work?

[DiscoJeffster]

I know there's mentions of the above that I can't find sorry.

So the upper tailgate brake lens is cracked and the tailgate leaking.

I'm told it's tricky to replace. Is this so and if it's not a DIY, who's best to get to do that kind of work?

Go and read the what happened today thread for more info.
I just did it so you can DIY. A quick google search and there’s a video showing how to do it which involves smashing out the old one. Once removed you then clean up and replace. I used Sikaflex 227 automotive bond and a crap tonne of it to match the crap tonne that was there in the first place. You are supposed to plastic prime the lens backing to improve bond but I forgot. So far it’s rock solid however it’s only been a few days. Others have had issues however I wonder if their installers didn’t use enough. I noted my factory install had HEAPS used in double lines all around.

[Pippin]

I know there's mentions of the above that I can't find sorry.

So the upper tailgate brake lens is cracked and the tailgate leaking.

I'm told it's tricky to replace. Is this so and if it's not a DIY, who's best to get to do that kind of work? There are some very recent posts on "What happened to your D3/D4 today" about this that may be helpful.

[ATH]

If I have to resort to smashing the light to change a globe/bulb, it’ll be another nail in the coffin of the D4 as far as I’m concerned.
AlanH.

[DiscoJeffster]

If I have to resort to smashing the light to change a globe/bulb, it’ll be another nail in the coffin of the D4 as far as I’m concerned.
AlanH.

That’s not why you do it. It’s LED, it doesn’t fail. It’s because mine had cracked and the housing required replacement

[ATH]

The D4 lives for a little longer......or a lot longer if the Cook gets her way. 😍 But should we really have to smash a light cover to replace it?
AlanH.

[scarry]

Replaced one on one of the old Hi Ace vans the other day,LED stopped working.

Two screws,one plug,5 minute job.

New LED light complete,$39 from Ebay[thumbsupbig]

[DiscoJeffster]

I agree. Whatever happened to a simple gasket seal and a couple of screws!!


The D4 lives for a little longer......or a lot longer if the Cook gets her way. 😍 But should we really have to smash a light cover to replace it?
AlanH.

[scarry]

I agree. Whatever happened to a simple gasket seal and a couple of screws!!

Its the difference between European and Japanese/Thailand vehicles,thats just the way it is.

[INter674]

Mates 200 series inner tail light unit..the one on the rear door.. got cracked..and still is after he got a quote of hundreds from the dealer to replace it. We looked for retaining screws etc with a view to do it ourselves but could not see how it was fixed. It did not look like a simple job..requiring the door to be gutted..so we left it alone😐

Even 90s Patrol rear lights are quite difficult to remove without breaking them..ask me how I know🙄

Style and manufacturing efficiencies clearly come at a cost to owner later on.

LR are not unique in that regard.

[ATH]

I don’t think manufacturers are worried too much about future costs for owners of their products. Plus it’s probably easier to build things that way as the mostly unskilled workforce wouldn’t have a clue about nuts and bolts etc.
They’re not alone in having that sort work for them..... the lamp post outside of our place had an access plate removed not long ago and when refitted it was left with a 12mm gap down one side for water ingress or kids to put things in and maybe get electrocuted.
I put a pic of it on our local community FB page ridiculing it and it was put right very quickly. All it required was 2 small bolts removed and access plate turning 180 degree, bolts replaced and it fitted as intended.
Just goes to show the level of skill and intelligence the privatised repair section of the power provider has in it’s ranks nowadays.
AlanH.

[Tombie]

Windows are bonded - and broken to remove. It’s effective, doesn’t leave screws to vibrate loose or for the light to be quickly stolen. It won’t leak unlike a gasket up high exposed to cyclic heat and UV.

It surprises me how many people get worked up on here about ageing vehicles requiring a bit of tlc to keep them healthy.

Surely the modern economic wake up call, environmental issues and waste of resources must start to sink in.

It’s far more economical for me to FULLY refurbish my D4 and go another 10 years than it is to purchase 1/5th of a replacement.

[scarry]

Windows are bonded - and broken to remove. It’s effective, doesn’t leave screws to vibrate loose or for the light to be quickly stolen. It won’t leak unlike a gasket up high exposed to cyclic heat and UV.

It surprises me how many people get worked up on here about ageing vehicles requiring a bit of tlc to keep them healthy.

Surely the modern economic wake up call, environmental issues and waste of resources must start to sink in.

It’s far more economical for me to FULLY refurbish my D4 and go another 10 years than it is to purchase 1/5th of a replacement.

The LED high level stop light i was talking about,the two screws are in trim behind,light then unclips from behind trim.No way light could be stolen,without gaining access to the vehicle or destroying the light.Cant imagine why anyone would anyway.Over 15 vans,some well over ten years old,never had a seal leak,they would last the life of the vehicle.These vehicles are never garaged. IMHO,a way better design.
A window is not a serviceable item,a light is,although we have only had one fail,ever.

All vehicles need TLC,nothing against that at all.

It’s unthought out silly design that is the issue here.

Correct,keeping a vehicle for a long time is a great economic decision.
Not only does it significantly help the environment,it will also help the bank balance substantially.

My brother with his '93 D1,keeps burning my ears about this as well.

In fact,for many to go to an EV,they would be way better off keeping their ICE,no matter how much fuel it uses,but thats for another thread.[biggrin]

[DiscoJeffster]

Windows are bonded - and broken to remove. It’s effective, doesn’t leave screws to vibrate loose or for the light to be quickly stolen. It won’t leak unlike a gasket up high exposed to cyclic heat and UV.

It surprises me how many people get worked up on here about ageing vehicles requiring a bit of tlc to keep them healthy.

Surely the modern economic wake up call, environmental issues and waste of resources must start to sink in.

It’s far more economical for me to FULLY refurbish my D4 and go another 10 years than it is to purchase 1/5th of a replacement.

What a crock of **** Tombie. You just have to look to many other makes that use a standard seal and a couple or more of bolts/nuts/screws. I have no issue working on it or spending money on it, and I’m not worked up, but there are easier ways. It’s a pain in the arse and when you consider it’s the most prominent point of the rear, it’s likely to take the first hit with any “at height” impact. This pain in the arse saves LR money but costs us later on. In my case I DIY so it was only my time, but for those others it’s the cost of the light and a couple of hours labour, for something that could be 15 minutes including trim removal.

[INter674]

What a crock of **** Tombie. You just have to look to many other makes that use a standard seal and a couple or more of bolts/nuts/screws. I have no issue working on it or spending money on it, and I’m not worked up, but there are easier ways. It’s a pain in the arse and when you consider it’s the most prominent point of the rear, it’s likely to take the first hit with any “at height” impact. This pain in the arse saves LR money but costs us later on. In my case I DIY so it was only my time, but for those others it’s the cost of the light and a couple of hours labour, for something that could be 15 minutes including trim removal.


Trouble with this view is where do you start to make a car Lego like and maintain integrety. .safety...style..affordability...and so on?

Ever taken the front or rear skirt off a 1988 VL Commodore...or fix the side trims on a Calais? Even back then no thought was given to future repair or replacement...Holden was merely focussed on manufacturing and assembly ease!!

Early Cat dozers had engine side panels that enabled engines to be fully rebuilt in frame...new ones don't...they are essentially throw away units.

I could go on...😞

[PerthDisco]

Trouble with this view is where do you start to make a car Lego like and maintain integrety. .safety...style..affordability...and so on?

Ever taken the front or rear skirt off a 1988 VL Commodore...or fix the side trims on a Calais? Even back then no thought was given to future repair or replacement...Holden was merely focussed on manufacturing and assembly ease!!

Early Cat dozers had engine side panels that enabled engines to be fully rebuilt in frame...new ones don't...they are essentially throw away units.

I could go on...[emoji20]

Making an engine without a dipstick for example!

I can imagine the designers thinking this is a ‘sealed for life’ light that will last the life of the vehicle and we’ll glue it on as per the f+r windscreen for a no corrosion no fixing solution as per every car on the planet. Most cars will never need to replace any of them.

I don’t disagree with them on the latter but not the former.

[scarry]

Making an engine without a dipstick for example!.

FWIW, I have seen a couple of underbonnet shots of the New defender,and it appeares the dipstick has returned.[biggrin]

I can’t remember which engine though.Maybe all the Ingenium engines have gone to dipsticks?

[DiscoJeffster]

FWIW, I have seen a couple of underbonnet shots of the New defender,and it appeares the dipstick has returned.[biggrin]

I can’t remember which engine though.Maybe all the Ingenium engines have gone to dipsticks?

I thought the Defender seemed quite expensive. That explains it - the inclusion of an unnecessary dipstick!
[emoji1787][emoji476][emoji3037]

[INter674]

Yeah the no dip stick..the rotary gear selector and the e handbrake...and it seems to be catching on to just about all new cars.

Why oh why do they do it...is it the marketing team looking for something novel?😞

Got to be marketing..designers aren't that loopy..are they?

[PerthDisco]

Yeah the no dip stick..the rotary gear selector and the e handbrake...and it seems to be catching on to just about all new cars.

Why oh why do they do it...is it the marketing team looking for something novel?[emoji20]

Got to be marketing..designers aren't that loopy..are they?

Just got the daughter a 2010 Tiguan and it has electric handbrake. I thought right I better adjust it ASAP but it’s different and the electric motor sits on the rear calipers and spins to force the pad against the disc. Very effective and seemingly needs no adjustment.

[ATH]

The stupid EPB and no dipstick are what really **** me off about the D4. I’ve had a bad experience with the brake seizing on after being stopped at lights. New discs and the guts of the EPB changed under warranty.
I’ve had it adjusted by Dazza on here but it’s giving yet more probs. just a short time after..... hanging on after being released. Poxy useless design.
A dipstick used to be a quick easy way to see if the stealers had actually changed the oil but that wasn’t good enough for the idiot designers who love gadgets.....
Such is life I suppose. 😏
AlanH.

[INter674]

When checking out Rangies with no dip stick I used to poke a kebab stick into the oil filler plug and also smell the cap. Owners thought I was nuts I'm sure. Unfortunately the blow by test of removing the filler cap didnt work either as the engine simply shut down..again worrying the owner..."geez what have you done" one said😐

Most we test drove appeared to be under serviced and flogged anyway😐

[ATH]

I had a bloke checking out a D1 I flogged years ago...... nose in the fuel filler and engine oil caps. He reckoned people were putting funny stuff in cars...... not half as bloody funny as some of the creeps I’ve had around looking at cars over the years.
Anyway who was it saying they were designing an after market dipstick for the D4? I’d certainly put my hand up for one of them.
Call me old fashioned I don’t care. 😁
AlanH