Disco 3 or 4. Your opinion welcome.

[ChrisS]

Against my better judgement I'm looking for a D3 or 4. Previous experience is 3 LR vehicles (1996 RR, 2006 RR, 1975 Series 3) with lots of problems, 2 Landcruisers with minimal problems. But I digress. I need/want a boxy SUV for hauling sports gear and dogs. No towing of caravans. No rock crawling, no heavy 4 wheeling, maybe a country lane or dirt road or a trip to the snow. So, whats the best one, budget around 25K?
Seems the options are D3's of all types, petrol and diesel. I'm leaning toward a 3 or 4 with a 2.7 diesel. I'm reading about too many expensive issues with the 3.0 twin turbo and I think the 2.7 has adequate power. I'm not too excited about the petrol models because of their thirst, but the price difference and lower engine maintenance gives me second thoughts. At my budget (25Kish) seems there are d3s in the 150k km range, and d4's with the 2.7 with the six speed but higher K's and most will need the timing belt done. I prefer to KISS, but I know with a LR that's not what you're buying into. Cleary thinking with my heart and not my head.
Thoughts?

[101RRS]

Against my better judgement I'm looking for a D3 or 4.

If it is against your better judgement - why look at these models?

[BradC]

I bought a D3 tdv6 after obviously not enough research. If I knew then what I know now I’d have gone for the V8.

It’s a lovely drive when it’s driving. It’s a bugger to work on when it’s not.

If I were buying again right now I’d be looking at a D4 V8. I love the D3, but the 4 is just that much more refined.

[ChrisS]

If it is against your better judgement - why look at these models?

Like I said - following my heart, not my head. The Landcruiser is the obvious choice for reliability but look at my history - 3 LR vehicles. Guess its like a bad girlfriend that you just cant say no to. If I could find a nice 80's 60 series, LC maybe. But they are underpowered, ride horribly, have terrible leg room so all of that needs to be dealt with to get anything you could travel in compfortably and they're getting pretty old now. And I can buy a much more recent Disco for about the same money.
If I thought I could find a solid reliable D3 or 4 it would be a no brainer. I get that there will be some problems and I'm OK with that. I'm just pinging others to see how bad it can be - blown trans or motors and I suppose big electrical problems are pretty big deals. Belts, pumps, alternators, suspension, ball joints, egr valves, abs accumulators and bearings I consider to be wear and tear items.

[rar110]

Something like this might suit.


You have been blocked (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2009-Land-Rover-Range-Rover-Sport-TDV8-Luxury-Auto-4x4-MY10/SSE-AD-6546428)

I have an L322 with the 3.6 tdv8 with nearly 300,000km. It’s a very nice motor/trans combo. The MY10 RRS got an updated interior which is nice.

[Bulletman]

latest D4 that your budget can afford. if you are not travelling remote then the cost difference between ULP and Deisel would warrant a D3 V8 which I believe only can in the HSE option - so top of the range..... but I could be wrong and happy to be corrected.I am not well versed enough in the range to know if the D4 came in the V8 option, if so then obviously look for 1 of those if in your budget

Like all late model cars , electrics are part of life, and really these days they are reasonably fool proof if they haven't been drowned.

Whichever you choose , hope it goes well

Bulletman

[rusty05]

The D3 V8 are available in HSE or SE

The D4 v8 is only available as the "v8" one model with everything

[veebs]

The D4 v8 is only available as the "v8" one model with everything

It's the Dalai Lama model - One with Everything

[INter674]

Not sure about this but I was told there maybe only a handful of D4 SC V8s in Aus. I've only seen 1 for sale in a year of looking.

Very rare rocket ship 🤤

[veebs]

Not sure about this but I was told there maybe only a handful of D4 SC V8s in Aus. I've only seen 1 for sale in a year of looking.

Very rare rocket ship 🤤

Not aware of the SCV8 - there are a few SCV6 units floating around for sale though :)

[Tote]

I'd go the D4 but consider the last of the D3s as well. After 2008 they fixed the big end issue with the 2.7. Things only got better with the D4.

Regards,
Tote

[Discodicky]

Not sure about this but I was told there maybe only a handful of D4 SC V8s in Aus. I've only seen 1 for sale in a year of looking.

Very rare rocket ship 🤤

Not sure whether I was listening properly but I am sure Justin pointed to one on a hoist in his workshop last week in Hobart.

[scarry]

I'd go the D4 but consider the last of the D3s as well. After 2008 they fixed the big end issue with the 2.7. Things only got better with the D4.

Regards,
Tote

The D4 2.7l is generally the most reliable of all of them.They will also be cheaper than the 3L secondhand.

As for the SC models,there are not many of them around,so on a % basis,there will be fewer issues noted in forums,etc.

[INter674]

The D4 2.7l is generally the most reliable of all of them.They will also be cheaper than the 3L secondhand.

As for the SC models,there are not many of them around,so on a % basis,there will be fewer issues noted in forums,etc.

True but the same SC engine and drive train is v common in Jags n some US cars and rangies...so checking on issues is easy..just search for the relevant engine etc. I did and there's not a lot of issues reported...mainly minor stuff like early water pump and crossover pipe leaks and SC coupler rattles at higher ks.

ZF 8 speed is good with usual maintenance...sealed for life..NO!. Engine is very easy to work on too albeit it's a tight fit....plenty of advice on US forums on eg replacing w pump and coupler...which in a lot of cases should have been done under warranty.

Parts can be a bit of an issue with blank looks at the dealership eg for gaskets...but on line there's plenty of stuff at good prices too. Eaton SCs are well built but do require maintenance every 5 years or so which means it has to come off to do an oil change as the filler/drain is virtually inaccessible. Thanks LR. But again not hard at all once you take a brave pill...and like the g box the sealed for life statement is BS.

Other than that the usual D4 issues crop up eg LCAs etc.

So in 108000 ks my car has had a new designed water pump plus o rings on associated feed pipes fitted (@150 bucks), g box and TC serviced (mmm v expensive but necessary), new rear pinion seal (previous owner), new rotors (ruined by previous owner) and pads (@500 bucks) and new solid SC coupler, oil and bearings fitted (@150 bucks).

Since then..over last 8 months..nothing and...petrol is cheap atm😁

[trout1105]

You could always find a GOOD D2a and save yourself about $15K[thumbsupbig]

[rapserv]

You could always find a GOOD D2a and save yourself about $15K[thumbsupbig]

I've got a 2001 Disco TD5 that I've had for 10+ years and I've been really happy with it over the years.
Done a few worthwhile mods and I do ANY work on the vehicle myself ... I don't trust anyone else.[bighmmm]

I've been seriously thinking over the last year or two .. of upgrading to a Disco 3 or 4 primarily because I need the extra loading/towing capabilities of these two.

I'm traveling Oz .. full time .. and hauling a 3000+kg van as well as a car full of tools & equipment and 2x fridges.

The Disco has been pushed well above it's stated limits and has never really missed a beat. The repairs over the last 10+ years have been very minimal, other than a fairly pricey transmission rebuild, possibly because I service the vehicle (with good quality oils' etc) .... regularly.

A bit reluctant making the change due to possibly much increased maintenance/repair costs on a D3/4 even though I would still be trying to do as much as possible myself.
It's a bit of ... 'the devil you know'

If it wasn't for the lower load/towing capacity of the TD5 ... I'd be happy to stick with it because, as I say, it's been a reliable and rugged machine.

Decisions ... decisions!![bigsad]

[gavinwibrow]

I've got a 2001 Disco TD5 that I've had for 10+ years and I've been really happy with it over the years.
Done a few worthwhile mods and I do ANY work on the vehicle myself ... I don't trust anyone else.[bighmmm]

I've been seriously thinking over the last year or two .. of upgrading to a Disco 3 or 4 primarily because I need the extra loading/towing capabilities of these two.

I'm traveling Oz .. full time .. and hauling a 3000+kg van as well as a car full of tools & equipment and 2x fridges.

The Disco has been pushed well above it's stated limits and has never really missed a beat. The repairs over the last 10+ years have been very minimal, other than a fairly pricey transmission rebuild, possibly because I service the vehicle (with good quality oils' etc) .... regularly.

A bit reluctant making the change due to possibly much increased maintenance/repair costs on a D3/4 even though I would still be trying to do as much as possible myself.
It's a bit of ... 'the devil you know'

If it wasn't for the lower load/towing capacity of the TD5 ... I'd be happy to stick with it because, as I say, it's been a reliable and rugged machine.

Decisions ... decisions!![bigsad]


I had exactly the same dilemma. Ended up lmid last year with a 2010 2.7L (to hopefully get around the crankshaft issue) D4 6 speed and added a light remap to just over 500Nm torque to tow our 3.5T block of flats. The later cars are more fuel efficient with their 8 speed etc and can pull harder, but we are happy to sit on 80 - 90 and help faster ones go past. We did 21K km from here to Qld/NT and back, mainly bitumen, but about 2K km gravel. Had to replace the alternator (at 240K km) and rebuild the front diff, plus a fuel pipe leak, but otherwise pretty good.
Comfortwise, absolutely no comparison, and about the same overall room. Just do it, although I don't like the idea of taking the more limousine D4 some places I was happy to take the D2, even though I know the D4 is capable.

[rapserv]

I had exactly the same dilemma. Ended up lmid last year with a 2010 2.7L (to hopefully get around the crankshaft issue) D4 6 speed and added a light remap to just over 500Nm torque to tow our 3.5T block of flats. The later cars are more fuel efficient with their 8 speed etc and can pull harder, but we are happy to sit on 80 - 90 and help faster ones go past. We did 21K km from here to Qld/NT and back, mainly bitumen, but about 2K km gravel. Had to replace the alternator (at 240K km) and rebuild the front diff, plus a fuel pipe leak, but otherwise pretty good.
Comfortwise, absolutely no comparison, and about the same overall room. Just do it, although I don't like the idea of taking the more limousine D4 some places I was happy to take the D2, even though I know the D4 is capable.

thanks for the reply Gavin ... and good to know I'm not the only one having this dilemma.[smilebigeye]

Just for interest ... did you find much of a difference in towing ability going to the D4 from the D2 (I assume you had it remapped as well)
I've remapped the D2 and it goes much better .. but towing the van that's over 3 tonne you certainly know it.
I've had in mind going to the 3L engine as I figured, if I'm going to make a change, I didn't want to go through all this to find I'm still under-powered.
Is the D4 still struggling .. but maybe not as much?
I generally sit on 80-85 which is fine by me .. as long as the cars not labouring. I also like to look at the scenery going past[bigsmile1]

[Landyv8]

To give a little bit of background behind my advice, I work for one of the larger mechanical breakdown insurance companies here in NZ.
Aside from BMW, Land Rover have the highest risk of a claim and majority of the time its the diesel version. If I was in the market for one I would definitely go down the path of v8 petrol over their diesel offerings.
We still regularly get claims for the 3lt and it would appear they never addressed the issues the motor has with its crankshaft. Land Rover claimed they had fixed it on the D4 however it
still continues in Sports, the last one i did was a 2017.
The Land Rover agents quote engine replacements around $42,000nzd. Just keep that in mind.

Disco 4 is a beautiful vehicle, just go petrol.

[INter674]

To give a little bit of background behind my advice, I work for one of the larger mechanical breakdown insurance companies here in NZ.
Aside from BMW, Land Rover have the highest risk of a claim and majority of the time its the diesel version. If I was in the market for one I would definitely go down the path of v8 petrol over their diesel offerings.
We still regularly get claims for the 3lt and it would appear they never addressed the issues the motor has with its crankshaft. Land Rover claimed they had fixed it on the D4 however it
still continues in Sports, the last one i did was a 2017.
The Land Rover agents quote engine replacements around $42,000nzd. Just keep that in mind.

Disco 4 is a beautiful vehicle, just go petrol.

Exactly why we went petrol plus 8 speed. I drove a 2014 car with a rebuilt diesel engine...owner was coy about why..anywho I found out it was a crank failure which took many months to fix while the dealer sourced a new block from OS and cost them a staggering 38k🤤

In our 18 month search we found a few 3l 6 speed cars with major warranty work esp turbos but g boxes too Owners were bailing out as warranty expired.

Also came across a TDV8 RRS that had a major engine failure..owner was not sure why..it just overheated and seized after a major service. Dealer coughed up for that one too...again many months to fix. They blamed the apprentice apparently.

Hate to be a service manager at a LR dealership back then😞

[scarry]

You could always find a GOOD D2a and save yourself about $15K[thumbsupbig]

Probably more than $15K.

That’s just the start.

No matter whether D4 petrol or diesel,it’s going to have huge maintenance and repair costs compared to a D2.

And will depreciate a lot more as well.

But the D4 is light years ahead of a D2.

Don’t ask me how I know I have had both.

In fact for remote area travel a good TD5 D2a is probably the better option.

[INter674]

thanks for the reply Gavin ... and good to know I'm not the only one having this dilemma.[smilebigeye]

Just for interest ... did you find much of a difference in towing ability going to the D4 from the D2 (I assume you had it remapped as well)
I've remapped the D2 and it goes much better .. but towing the van that's over 3 tonne you certainly know it.
I've had in mind going to the 3L engine as I figured, if I'm going to make a change, I didn't want to go through all this to find I'm still under-powered.
Is the D4 still struggling .. but maybe not as much?
I generally sit on 80-85 which is fine by me .. as long as the cars not labouring. I also like to look at the scenery going past[bigsmile1]

I went from a 2004 D2a with new engine plus some performance improvements to a D4 SC V6 petrol and there is no comparison between them. Power of 250kw plus 8 speed means towing up to 3.5t is a breeze....no more slogging up a hill at 40ks...now hitting 90ks and rising on the same hill with 3.5t behind🤤

Same for stability and braking...the D4 is waaaay better on all fronts..cept fuel when unloaded...11 vs 13.8ish. But they are/were
about the same when towing ie @15 l/100ks. Currently with cheaper petrol the SC is actually cheaper to run and more reliable I think...touch wood 🙄 i went through 2 g boxes in the TD5 plus flex plates plus torque converters plus rear flex joint ..fprs..inj looms..ecu..tc seals..etc
etc etc

Yes D2 is way cheaper but as I found you can lose a lot of cash quickly in repairs. Mine cost 10k..a bargain at the time ..but owed me over 25 by the time I sold it..not including my labour which was hundreds of hours chasing endless problems.

[INter674]

"No matter whether D4 petrol or diesel,it’s going to have huge maintenance and repair costs compared to a D2."


...no way is that true..petrol engines of all makes cost less to maintain and repair than diesels. Yes some early Rover V8s were dogs but that was due to LR incompetence..not the fundamental design.

Diesels remain good for certain applications eg trucks and tractors but for cars they are problematic due to power and emission demands. Even mighty Toyota cant build a decent diesel for car use.

[shack]

"No matter whether D4 petrol or diesel,it’s going to have huge maintenance and repair costs compared to a D2."


...no way is that true..petrol engines of all makes cost less to maintain and repair than diesels. Yes some early Rover V8s were dogs but that was due to LR incompetence..not the fundamental design.

Diesels remain good for certain applications eg trucks and tractors but for cars they are problematic due to power and emission demands. Even mighty Toyota cant build a decent diesel for car use.I think what scarry was referring too was that a D3 or D4 will cost miles more per 100k km in running costs, this is absolutely spot on.In my family I still have 3 discovery 2s, a discovery 3 , discovery 4, RRS .

The 3s and 4s and RRS have less issues for sure, but when they do it's costly.

Oils and filters also cost more (except engine oil)

Everything is impossible to get too on the later ones.
Try doing a turbo or A/C compressor, or power steering pump....Damn.

But the later ones -3 and 4 are much much more car,no comparison.

And yes , the D2A is the pick of the early ones, so many little things are better.

Cheers
James

[INter674]

I think what scarry was referring too was that a D3 or D4 will cost miles more per 100k km in running costs, this is absolutely spot on.In my family I still have 3 discovery 2s, a discovery 3 , discovery 4, RRS .

The 3s and 4s and RRS have less issues for sure, but when they do it's costly.

Oils and filters also cost more (except engine oil)

Everything is impossible to get too on the later ones.
Try doing a turbo or A/C compressor, or power steering pump....Damn.

But the later ones -3 and 4 are much much more car,no comparison.

And yes , the D2A is the pick of the early ones, so many little things are better.

Cheers
James

Mmm..but my point was wrt petrol v diesel engine costs...inc oil cause petrol service intervals are longer..and there's less to go wrong..eg no dpfs or egrs..and petrol ics are less stressed. Other costs car for car should be about the same and so far my D4 is costing waay less than the D2a..touch wood...

Td5 also had 2 oil filters where the SC has one costing 30 bucks..but it has 2 air filters albeit they don't require replacement as often...and no fuel filter either☺

Yes ALL cars are expensive to own and LRs are no different to many other makes out there. In many cases choosing the right one is more luck than science 🙄

[trout1105]

Diesels remain good for certain applications eg trucks and tractors but for cars they are problematic due to power and emission demands. Even mighty Toyota cant build a decent diesel for car use.

If you are towing 3T+ then you are using your "Car" as a prime mover/tractor So a diesel engine makes good sense for this application and my "Apparently" not so good 4.5l Diesel V8 in the 79 Series does this job with consummate ease and still does 15/100.
YES the 79 Series is NOWHERE near as refined or as comfortable as a D3/4 But saying that Toyota is incapable of producing a "Decent" LV diesel engine is a Huge call.

[INter674]

If you are towing 3T+ then you are using your "Car" as a prime mover/tractor So a diesel engine makes good sense for this application and my "Apparently" not so good 4.5l Diesel V8 in the 79 Series does this job with consummate ease and still does 15/100.
YES the 79 Series is NOWHERE near as refined or as comfortable as a D3/4 But saying that Toyota is incapable of producing a "Decent" LV diesel engine is a Huge call.

Not just my opinion...there's heaps of commentary on diesel problems which afflict Toyota as well. The Toyota V8 is one of the better ones out there but still suffers from issues. It's future is limited too.

[gavinwibrow]

thanks for the reply Gavin ... and good to know I'm not the only one having this dilemma.[smilebigeye]

Just for interest ... did you find much of a difference in towing ability going to the D4 from the D2 (I assume you had it remapped as well)
I've remapped the D2 and it goes much better .. but towing the van that's over 3 tonne you certainly know it.
I've had in mind going to the 3L engine as I figured, if I'm going to make a change, I didn't want to go through all this to find I'm still under-powered.
Is the D4 still struggling .. but maybe not as much?
I generally sit on 80-85 which is fine by me .. as long as the cars not labouring. I also like to look at the scenery going past[bigsmile1]

You are spot on. The only reason I upgraded was cos the D2a auto (remapped by TD5Inside for towing/economy and a few other performance goodies) struggled towing with any sort of decently steep hill, even getting into 2nd gear on some examples. Both cars have EGT gauges. The D2 would easily get to well over 600 on a hill (700+ momentarily once before I realised and downshifted). The D4 has never hit anything like 700 - I think 600 in one extreme situation.
Yes the 3L, especially with 8 speed, would be better (ask John_D4), but I'm happy with my less expensive 2.7L. Like the comfort, the towing is chalk and cheese, and I could not say that even once the D4 "struggled" in the way the D2 could - just didn't proceed as quickly as a LC200.
The one thing that did surprise me a little, even though it should not have on reflection, was that a test towing on the flat at 100 kmph (max in WA) gave fuel consumption up near 20L/100 km. Our Qld/NT overall economy was a bit over 16L/100 km from memory while cruising at 80.
Good luck with your decision. If money was no object, I'd maybe go for a MY16.5 3L (later versions seem to be dodging the crankshaft issue), but for my purposes my 2.7L (now at 260K km) is fine.
Good luck with your decision, and let us know.


EDIT - having said all that, the petrol vs diesel discussion per INTER-----, is very interesting, and especially if your future car is a keeper after the big trip, petrol just might be the better long term option, despite being sacrilege to a long term diesel owner.

[Landyv8]

This is a typical engine replacement breakdown for you. This was from a dealer, on top of this there is around $5500 worth of labour.

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[scarry]

I think what scarry was referring too was that a D3 or D4 will cost miles more per 100k km in running costs, this is absolutely spot on.In my family I still have 3 discovery 2s, a discovery 3 , discovery 4, RRS .

The 3s and 4s and RRS have less issues for sure, but when they do it's costly.

Oils and filters also cost more (except engine oil)

Everything is impossible to get too on the later ones.
Try doing a turbo or A/C compressor, or power steering pump....Damn.

But the later ones -3 and 4 are much much more car,no comparison.

And yes , the D2A is the pick of the early ones, so many little things are better.

Cheers
James

Exactly.

And for anyone that thinks a late model petrol engine is not stressed, is dreaming.Supercharged,turbo charged,huge power and torque figures,they are certainly stressed.A good example are the latest petrol Ingenium engines from JLR,and other European engine manufacturers.

The days of the simple unstressed petrol engine are just about gone forever.

As for the LC V8,it has had more than a 12 yr run,with only a few changes,and will be around for a while yet.It already runs Adblue in other markets to comply with more stringent emission regs than we have here.
Why people carry on about its days being numbered,is beyond me.
There are many engines on the market at the moment that won't be around in a few years time,for whatever reason.

[scarry]

But saying that Toyota is incapable of producing a "Decent" LV diesel engine is a Huge call.

Not just a huge call,but a load of garbage.[bigwhistle]

And thats not from what someones mate, grandmother, or uncle said,or what was on some Forum somewhere.

Its experience from running a fleet of Toyota vehicles for many years,including many having Diesels.

In fact they have been by far the least problematic vehicles i have ever had anything to do with.

Their sales numbers and resale values would also back that up.

[INter674]

Oops didn't mean to upset you Toyota fans.. I was merely commenting on the status of new automotive diesels per se..which I stand by...and which I suggest is the reason why many manufacturers are returning to petrol engines. Look at Europe and Europeans who once had a fixation with them..but pollution laws.. dpf ..issues etc have ended that.

Would I buy a new Toyota diesel..hell no ..but I would and have owned older Toyota diesels 2H..1HD etc and agree they are good engines albeit often gutless for their capacity. Had a Prado with D4d which before the DPF issues which proved to be a good car..but again nothing like the petrol power we currently have esp for towing where it really struggled.

Been around Toyota V8s too and yes they can be made into a good engine but many would agree the older 1HDFTE is a better engine again. The V8 will be replaced by a V6 so they say.

Anyhow.. I can recommend the petrol D4 SC very highly..IMHO it craps on a 76..79 series or a 200 series and does not require heaps of mods to make it go or carry loads..oops..sorry I did it again😁

[trout1105]

There is no doubt that the D4 is a good 4WD/Car But there is No way on Gods earth it will out pull, out carry or even out range a 79 series V8 ute.
The 79 series V8 is a small 4WD truck Not a 4WD/car and it is as tough as nails without all the "gadgetry" that tends to stuff up like a D4 does.
When I first bought the 20' Jayco expanda I did look at getting a D4 to tow it But after test driving the 79 series and the D4 there was No contest as to which 4WD had more "Grunt".
The 79 series sure aint fancy But it is rock solid and has balls like coconuts.
There is also that incredible sound that comes fron the lightly chipped motor with the 4' SS exhaust to listen to as well.

[INter674]

There is no doubt that the D4 is a good 4WD/Car But there is No way on Gods earth it will out pull, out carry or even out range a 79 series V8 ute.
The 79 series V8 is a small 4WD truck Not a 4WD/car and it is as tough as nails without all the "gadgetry" that tends to stuff up like a D4 does.
When I first bought the 20' Jayco expanda I did look at getting a D4 to tow it But after test driving the 79 series and the D4 there was No contest as to which 4WD had more "Grunt".
The 79 series sure aint fancy But it is rock solid and has balls like coconuts.
There is also that incredible sound that comes fron the lightly chipped motor with the 4' SS exhaust to listen to as well.

Mmm..not sure about that one...think 250kw plus 8 speeds..i raced a chipped 79 up hill out of Kingston..farty exhaust n all..and smashed it to the extent the driver put all his big spotties on me and shook his fist out the window😃 i think I hit 160 or so..stupid I know..won't do it again🙄

I really don't want to go back to the 70s..vehicle wise that is..might like to for the girls I knew back then..but not for the cars😉

Best 79 series I saw was one with 25k worth of portals plus air suspension..diff locks etc plus chipped plus lots of other goodies inc wide rear end..steering lock mods..35s..etc. It went very well off road. His son in a standard 79 did not..could not manage even moderate stuff.

Anyhow. Whatever floats your boat I guess!!

[trout1105]

A 79 series is NOT a racing car and I doubt that they will do 160kph, That's Not what they are about.
Like I said a 79 series V8 WILL tow heavy loads easier, WILL carry far more cargo and they CAN travel for 1000K's before they need refueling[thumbsupbig]
Racing at speeds of 160kph is Childish and bloody dangerous.[bigwhistle]

[Discodicky]

A 79 series is NOT a racing car and I doubt that they will do 160kph, That's Not what they are about.
Like I said a 79 series V8 WILL tow heavy loads easier, WILL carry far more cargo and they CAN travel for 1000K's before they need refueling[thumbsupbig]
Racing at speeds of 160kph is Childish and bloody dangerous.[bigwhistle]


.......and so they SHOULD tow heavy loads easier! That V8 engine @ 4.5 litres and either single or twin turbo is a lazy tired engine and needs a good kick up the a..e and told to wake up, considering the pathetic kw and nm torque it produces for its capacity. L/rover and Euro engines (Audi/Benz etc) produce same or more hp/nm out of 3.0 litres and have proven to be very reliable as well. That V8 isn't fuel efficient at all according to a mate with an 8 mnth old LC200, he says his 12 yr old F150 V8 5.7 litre petrol auto 4wd Extra cab is just as efficient and he prefers driving that over the new LC200. With respect, anything can travel 1000kms on a tank if the tank/s is/are big enough. The Caravan Facebook site I'm on sees LC200 owners towing around 3 tonnes at avg 22-24 lphk. My D4 with 3.0 engine and 8 speed box gets 16-18 lphk easily, towing a 3.0 tonne c/van. The LC V8 diesel is inefficient and a real slug considering its size.

[INter674]

A 79 series is NOT a racing car and I doubt that they will do 160kph, That's Not what they are about.
Like I said a 79 series V8 WILL tow heavy loads easier, WILL carry far more cargo and they CAN travel for 1000K's before they need refueling[thumbsupbig]
Racing at speeds of 160kph is Childish and bloody dangerous.[bigwhistle]

Totally agree and I won't do it again😎

Anyhow I do admire Toyota for continuing producing 70 series trucks after all what would the Taliban use otherwise..and locally, many aftermarket businesses rely on them for income...including my SIL who rubs his hands when owners drive into the shop for mods with cash in hand😁. One woman spent over 50k on her new 79s truck..and I gotta admit I was impressed with the final product. But I simply could not afford to invest 4 times the amount the D4 cost me nor would I put my grand daughter in a vehicle lacking modern safety privisions.

[scarry]

.......and so they SHOULD tow heavy loads easier! That V8 engine @ 4.5 litres and either single or twin turbo is a lazy tired engine and needs a good kick up the a..e and told to wake up, considering the pathetic kw and nm torque it produces for its capacity. L/rover and Euro engines (Audi/Benz etc) produce same or more hp/nm out of 3.0 litres and have proven to be very reliable as well. That V8 isn't fuel efficient at all according to a mate with an 8 mnth old LC200, he says his 12 yr old F150 V8 5.7 litre petrol auto 4wd Extra cab is just as efficient and he prefers driving that over the new LC200. With respect, anything can travel 1000kms on a tank if the tank/s is/are big enough. The Caravan Facebook site I'm on sees LC200 owners towing around 3 tonnes at avg 22-24 lphk. My D4 with 3.0 engine and 8 speed box gets 16-18 lphk easily, towing a 3.0 tonne c/van. The LC V8 diesel is inefficient and a real slug considering its size.

Its not necessarily what is written on paper,have a good look at the power and torque curves for both the variants of the 1VD-FTV.

IF you can get 16-18l/100 out of a D4 travelling on the speed limit(not sitting on 80 to90k's holding everyone up),towing 3.0T,that is some sort of record,unless its got a tailwind.
More like 18 to 20l/100 would be actual.Even more at times,depending on conditions.

And no thats not what i read somewhere,or someones uncle told me,its my own experience,and travelling with a mate who has the later 3.0l 8 speed,both with vans at about 3T.

I don't know why people are so fixated about fuel economy,when the major cost of vehicle ownership is depreciation(particularly if the vehicle is new or newish) and repairs/maintenance.A couple of liters/100 here or there is virtually nothing compared to total overall costs of the vehicle.

And for the record a mate has a 3yr old Sahara,and gets 12l/100 all day around town.My D4 gets no better,around town.
My D4 will get low 9's on a run,empty,where his will get mid to low 10's.The difference is negligible.Mine is tuned,his isn't.The Sahara weighs over 250K more than mine,empty but both full of fuel.
And when he gets rid of it at the 5 yr mark,it will be worth well over $20 to $30K more than any LR product,same age and condition,bought for the same price.
The Sahara may be old school,but who really cares,over total vehicle ownership,it will hit you a lot less in the hip pocket.The Sahara also has had not one repair so far,where my D4 had quite a few silly small repairs in its first 3 yrs we had it.And repairs have continued.

But i like my D4,its a great vehicle,suits our needs perfectly,even though its highly complicated,is expensive to maintain,and has huge depreciation.

The real issue is LR don't have a new vehicle for my needs,so this will probably be the last LR i will own.Apart from the S1 in my Sig.The Defender will be gone shortly,replaced already with an LC76.

I will wait for the New defender,and the 200 series replacement,before i make any decisions.

[INter674]

Safety provisions are also v important and that's why I would not buy a jeep nor a 70 series inc for towing. BTW my SC will tow all day over 3t loads of firewood at 14.8 k/100ks..but I don't give a fig about fuel use comparisons ..more to do with the type of vehicle that suits us for family safety. ..comfort ..towing ability..maneuverability..dexterity eg lowering suspension for a 90 year old...and LCs can't match these requirements for sub 40k...or even new.

Depreciation? Yes it's a problem compared to Cruisers but many Australians are drawn to conservatism...I'm not☺

The D4 if f'n brilliant and for that brilliance a few character flaws are totally acceptable IMHO.

[INter674]

Hey Paul..have Toyota fixed the air box issues yet..that has resulted in engines being toasted?

I'm not up with the latest on this issue but my mate who owns and loves his 200s was asking. He was advised by CoOp Toyota not to take his car on dusty roads...or to fit aftermarket filters.. which he can do now his extended warranty has run out. He's also busted a cv but because he'd fitted after market suspension CoOp would not warranty it. He was advised to put in a locker to stop this happening again...to even out the torque to the cvs.

Even so he's looking to buy another to tow his 3t van. He gets 22 plus l/100ks but does drive it hard ☺ he spent lots of cash in GVM upgrades too but should get a bit less than 15k under his original purchase price after 4 years of ownership. Not bad but the buy in price on an equivalent newbie is near a 100k. And as said he's put a lot into the car to make it tow legally and comfortably.

I must admit on a 500k round trip we did I was impressed with the rush of power from the donk but the cloth/vinyl seats were a bit if a surprise as was the crappy stereo and hit and miss ac system.

I think the new models are better appointed..and ironically he's looking for leather now after riding in my D4. Geez it's quiet he said as we drove the track to his house. Trouble is he said there's a lot to go wrong in your car😉

Ha ha ha😎

[dirvine]

When I retired, I bought a 16.5 D4 and a Tojo 76 Wagon, with air, a decent audio system, and and auto conversion. Both cost about the same at trhe time. View was the D4 for day to day run around and a few 4wd short trips, and the 76 for big trips towing a 2.6T off road caravan. One weekend in each doing the same round trip with a little 4WDing and I realized my mistake. The 76 was noisy, chewed through fuel, and by the end of a 4ooK trip I was stiff and sore. D4 was totally different. I sold the Tojo to my son. And I am glad I did. With my van I tow at the speed limit, on dirt roads I really dont slow down all that much, and I get 14/100 towing and that using the oziexplorer for distance and fuel pumps read outs, not the car computer. Also higher heavier tyres on car. I know which I would rather own....

[scarry]

When I retired, I bought a 16.5 D4 and a Tojo 76 Wagon, with air, a decent audio system, and and auto conversion. Both cost about the same at trhe time. View was the D4 for day to day run around and a few 4wd short trips, and the 76 for big trips towing a 2.6T off road caravan. One weekend in each doing the same round trip with a little 4WDing and I realized my mistake. The 76 was noisy, chewed through fuel, and by the end of a 4ooK trip I was stiff and sore. D4 was totally different. I sold the Tojo to my son. And I am glad I did. With my van I tow at the speed limit, on dirt roads I really dont slow down all that much, and I get 14/100 towing and that using the oziexplorer for distance and fuel pumps read outs, not the car computer. Also higher heavier tyres on car. I know which I would rather own....

Which proves again those two vehicles are in completely different classes,designed for different duties.

It’s like comparing a Defender with a D4,apples and oranges.

And as for dusted Tojo engines,I don’t know exactly the issues,more to the point I have seen articles about it happening,but there are so many variables,who knows what the truth is.
Some say it’s using aftermarket filters,some say it’s happening with the OEM paper filter.The airbox does have tabs on it that need locating,similar to a D2 air box.So it’s easy to fit it incorrectly,if the lid is not fitted with care.
Others say the Tojo airbox warps with age,and the filter won’t seat prioperly.

One thing I do know is the sons 76, after being out at the property,which is very dusty ATM,has no sign of any dust past the OEM air filter.