Perhaps I like Elon Musk after all...

[Tins]

Haven't seen this posted yet. If it has been then sorry... NASA to Host Preview Briefings for First Crew Launch with SpaceX | NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-host-preview-briefings-interviews-for-first-crew-launch-with-spacex)

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/date-history-nasa-spacex-schedule-first-crewed-dragon-mission-may-27-launch/

This is brilliant news at this time.

[Homestar]

While that may be great news, it doesn't change the fact that electric jesus is still a dill.

[rick130]

While that may be great news, it doesn't change the fact that electric jesus is still a dill.That's the best description I've heard of him yet! [emoji23]

[Homestar]

I’d love to take credit for it but that’s what John Cadogan calls him - I find it very apt. 😁👍

[Tins]

While that may be great news, it doesn't change the fact that electric jesus is still a dill.

That has always reflected my opinion of him. However, apparently he has returned some of the US taxpayer subsidies he has received in the past by helping out here. It's nearly 10 years since a US astronaut has gone into space that wasn't a hitch hiker. Musk deserves a little recognition for playing a part in that.

I did say "perhaps" in the thread title....

[Homestar]

Yeah, but not in my book. He’s a dill and a stoner. What the Engineers, etc do for the company they work for is a different story.

[Tins]

In my book he's a parasite. But, also in my book, Cadogen is a loud mouth wannabe who knows about one tenth of what he implies. But I'll give him credit when it's due.

Same with Elon. He's due some here. NASA wouldn't be doing this now without him. Trump sure as hell doesn't have the time. I'll assess Musk's motives when the dust settles. I don't trust him for a microsecond, but he didn't become a billionaire by being a dill. Use PayPal, do you??

[JDNSW]

Musk is a visionary, and unlike most of those who have made a fortune by having a vision at the right moment and the right place, has gone on to further visions of the future and spent his money and energy in doing this. Certainly, his employees are the ones who have made this possible, but he is the one who has provided them with a workplace where they can. And there is little doubt that he has risked and spent his own money to do this, as well as any money he can persuade others to contribute. So he has to be admired for this.

Having said that, I think he is a thoroughly unlikeable person, and someone I would definitely not like to have as an acquaintance, let alone a friend. And certainly not as a family member, even if I stood to inherit something from him!

But these two views are not incompatible - a historical person who seems to have been very similar is T.A. Edison, for example. And the reverse is probably even more common - I'm sure you all know people who are some of the nicest people you know - but never achieve anything in their life.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The World would be so much more boring if Musk wasnt in it,,





If you think you've been social distancing...

just imagine what Bob and Doug have been through,,




typical NASA though,, still think they need a test pilot on board..

"Look Ma! no stick! "

[rick130]

Musk is a visionary, and unlike most of those who have made a fortune by having a vision at the right moment and the right place, has gone on to further visions of the future and spent his money and energy in doing this. Certainly, his employees are the ones who have made this possible, but he is the one who has provided them with a workplace where they can. And there is little doubt that he has risked and spent his own money to do this, as well as any money he can persuade others to contribute. So he has to be admired for this.

Having said that, I think he is a thoroughly unlikeable person, and someone I would definitely not like to have as an acquaintance, let alone a friend. And certainly not as a family member, even if I stood to inherit something from him!

But these two views are not incompatible - a historical person who seems to have been very similar is T.A. Edison, for example. And the reverse is probably even more common - I'm sure you all know people who are some of the nicest people you know - but never achieve anything in their life.No doubt he's a long way along the narcissistic personality scale, and as such I'm with you, I'd actively avoid having anything to do with him.

As you say, it's because of these and often sociopathic traits that things get done at a material level, but there's always a human cost, too, and one thing I've noticed is that their 'big picture' vision is often quite narrow, e.g. His and Jack Ma's vision that the world needs a larger population.
That's because they just see the world as a market, not a a world where human society is but one part of the whole.

[Homestar]

In my book he's a parasite. But, also in my book, Cadogen is a loud mouth wannabe who knows about one tenth of what he implies. But I'll give him credit when it's due.

Same with Elon. He's due some here. NASA wouldn't be doing this now without him. Trump sure as hell doesn't have the time. I'll assess Musk's motives when the dust settles. I don't trust him for a microsecond, but he didn't become a billionaire by being a dill. Use PayPal, do you??

Cadogen is a loud mouth yes, but he does know more that the average Joe - he just puts people off side by how he goes about presenting this info.

Based on your premise that you can’t be a dill and rich - Trump? A lot of other murican Millionaires aren’t too bright either...

[loanrangie]

I like Cadogan, he just comes across as having been shackled by his previous role as a motoring journo and now he can say what we all think without holding back.
Just watched his rant on GM v Holden which was quite funny.

[Tombie]

Cardigan says things for people who cannot think.
He’s more corrupt than the others mentioned in this thread and yet people can’t seem to see it.
And often his facts are questionable opinion at best.

Many who have met him (including me) wouldn’t give him the time day again.

Crassness masking personal insecurity - as a journo he was constrained, and now he’s just a foul mouth who still is constrained - look at the only brands he recommends.

[Homestar]

Cardigan says things for people who cannot think.
He’s more corrupt than the others mentioned in this thread and yet people can’t seem to see it.
And often his facts are questionable opinion at best.

Many who have met him (including me) wouldn’t give him the time day again.

Crassness masking personal insecurity - as a journo he was constrained, and now he’s just a foul mouth who still is constrained - look at the only brands he recommends.

In what way is he corrupt?

[Tombie]

In what way is he corrupt?

Claims to know all things of all cars or all makes and to be independent of any.

Except he’s not!

[Homestar]

Claims to know all things of all cars or all makes and to be independent of any.

Except he’s not!

And you’re proof would be?

[Tombie]

And you’re proof would be?

Only have to look back through all his recommendations.
Same way you form knowledge of any media outlet. Look for the bias.

[Homestar]

Hardly proof.

I don’t see bias, I see a lot of thinned skinned car owners who’s marques he bags out. Even though he he talks up Kia, Hyundai, Mazda and Toyota he does also bad them out from time to time too if he sees an opportunity.

It could just be that those vehicles and after sales service are actually better? 😉

[Tombie]

Hardly proof.

I don’t see bias, I see a lot of thinned skinned car owners who’s marques he bags out. Even though he he talks up Kia, Hyundai, Mazda and Toyota he does also bad them out from time to time too if he sees an opportunity.

It could just be that those vehicles and after sales service are actually better? [emoji6]

His business makes money quite simply by “spotters fees” (simplified) for finding people deals on vehicles.
His primary recommendations are almost always Kia and Hyundai with a bit of the other 2 for good measure.

Regardless - he’s a crass, blowhard with a derogatory attitude to the public, where they live etc and only self promoting.

And as I mentioned of all those I know who have met him, very few want to spend any more time with the man.

[Homestar]

Still not even close to proof of being of corrupt. He’s still happy to buy a Land Rover or VW for people if they want one, he gets his money - probably more for higher end stuff - no matter what he sells to people. If he only wanted to push the top selling vehicles, he’d push Toyota’s and Mitsubishi’s more. People actually want Kias and Hyundai’s and from the ones I’ve driven and the family owns, there’s a good reason for that.

[Tombie]

Perhaps your interpretation of corrupt doesn’t align with mine:

I’d rate him morally depraved [emoji41] unscrupulous, immoral.

[Tombie]

People actually want Kias and Hyundai’s and from the ones I’ve driven and the family owns, there’s a good reason for that.

Agree, very decent vehicles.

[Homestar]

Perhaps your interpretation of corrupt doesn’t align with mine:

I’d rate him morally depraved [emoji41] unscrupulous, immoral.

I can live with that. 👍😁

[Pedro_The_Swift]

whats good for the goose etc,,,
and the proof Musk is morally depraved etc etc,, ?

this obviously from personel knowledge.. could not be gleaned from the worlds ( you believe everything you read?) media reports??

[Tombie]

Elon from what I can see, appears to be what’s referred to as a “Blue Sky” thinker.

His ideas and concepts, like many others in his position, push the boundaries of our world. Usually these people are quite eccentric. As long as they have good people working for them to solve the challenges posed, there can be some amazing outcomes.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

When all the planets align?

an eccentric Blue Sky thinker with unlimited money.

[DiscoMick]

Elon Musk reminds me of Steve Jobs and Henry Ford. Obsessed visionaries, prepared to be obnoxious to realise their visions, not likeable at all, anti-social, use other people, but they make things happen. Jobs slept on a mattress on the floor of an empty mansion because the furniture stores didn't stock furniture that met his standards.
John Cadogan is a mechanical engineer, so does know a lot more technical stuff than the average motoring journo. His vids are promotions for his business, which is fine, everyone does it. He's deliberately loud mouth to get attention. We're talking about him, so its working.
Hyundai and Kia give him cars to review so they obviously think he sells vehicles for them.
I know his review of the Kia Carnival was spot on because our oldest son has one and everything he said about it was true. We have a Mazda 2 and his comments about Mazdas seem accurate.
He's an entertainer, focussed on cars, just like Clarkson was on Top Gear. Like it or not, it's rarely boring. No-one is forced to watch.

[Tombie]

Any educated person who hasn’t used their training starts to lag behind.

His LinkedIn profile suggests he hasn’t worked in his field of study (1989) for 3 decades.

Engineer or any form of education doesn’t mean squat if you aren’t demonstrating it regularly.

[Tins]

Musk did OK, it seems. Surprised me. I can admit I was wrong. I do.


https://youtu.be/jraWEhSNogQ

[Tins]

Oh, yes, grow up. He did. I won't ever accept all he does, but DiscoMick can laugh.... Bloke is worth some thought.

[DiscoMick]

No laughing here, he's an eccentric visionary, which is fine by me.

[Tins]

Given the parlous state we find ourselves in, maybe Elon is our saviour. I, for one, would prefer to be on Mars than in Melbourne, currently. Maybe on Mars pregnant women wouldn't be handcuffed for posting on 'social media'.