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Bulletman
5th May 2020, 05:14 PM
Gday All

I see the favoured SSB battery to replace the Yellow top Optima is the HVT 50D , on searching I came across the HVT 65D which is slightly longer but is 68ah not 60ah . Anybody tried the HVT 65D or can see something I haven't noticed about that compared to the HVT 50D

Bulletman

Tombie
5th May 2020, 06:08 PM
Will depend on your tray.

I couldn’t fit anything larger in the one I’m using.

Bulletman
5th May 2020, 06:12 PM
Will depend on your tray.

I couldn’t fit anything larger in the one I’m using.

OK thanks Tombie, was wondering if I had missed something about the 65D , just seems to be a slightly bigger battery in size and ah it seems.

Bulletman

Tombie
5th May 2020, 06:42 PM
It’s only 20mm. Worth having a look if your tray has a bit of room.

Can always cut out a template and try for fit!

Bulletman
5th May 2020, 06:47 PM
It’s only 20mm. Worth having a look if your tray has a bit of room.

Can always cut out a template and try for fit!

My tray will fit it no issues, I made my own tray that sits in front of the start battery which will fit 280mm battery , so this will fit no worries. I have the triple battery set up , its just that the 9 yr old yellow top is only at 400cca on the load tester so is way down , also the negative terminal has started to separate from the housing , so its time to replace it.

Bulletman

LRD414
7th May 2020, 12:33 PM
.... I came across the HVT 65D which is slightly longer but is 68ah not 60ah . Anybody tried the HVT 65D or can see something I haven't noticed ....
I'm interested to see how you go with this, looks good on paper.
I've taken all these figures from the Superstart and Optima websites:




HVT-50D
HVT-65D
YellowTop



60Ah
68Ah
55Ah


Length
238mm
258mm
256mm


Width
172mm
168mm
175mm


Height
182mm
176mm
??


Terminal Height
206mm
182mm
201mm


Weight
19kg
20.5kg
19.5kg



Cheers,
Scott

Bulletman
7th May 2020, 12:51 PM
I'm interested to see how you go with this, looks good on paper.
I've taken all these figures from the Superstart and Optima websites:




HVT-50D
HVT-65D
YellowTop



60Ah
68Ah
55Ah


Length
238mm
258mm
256mm


Width
172mm
168mm
175mm


Height
182mm
176mm
??


Terminal Height
206mm
182mm
201mm


Weight
19kg
20.5kg
19.5kg



Cheers,
Scott

I tried to fit an 85ah battery into the spot in front of the start battery , and it did fit but was just a bit to high , top of terminals at 220mm, the bonnet closed but looking from front on you could see it wasn't sitting down the same as the other side , and on closer inspection it wasn't sitting flush on the rubber strip .

The HVT 65D will fit no worries . placed the order but as usual no delivery to the NT ,so am getting it dropped off to a mates transport business in Brisbane , hopefully will make tomorrow's Darwin truck but doubt it, so reckon its 10 days away.

Bulletman

wiggy781
22nd May 2020, 10:42 AM
Was the 85ah battery you trial fitted the SSB HVT-70D? My local stockist does not keep the 65D, two to three weeks to order in so are pushing the 70D.

Out of interest, do you have the Traxide battery tray?

DieselLSE
22nd May 2020, 05:01 PM
Was the 85ah battery you trial fitted the SSB HVT-70D? My local stockist does not keep the 65D, two to three weeks to order in so are pushing the 70D.

Out of interest, do you have the Traxide battery tray?
He said he made his own tray. But you could flatten the end of the Traxide tray. I flattened the engine end for some reason (I think I tried to fit a spare battery I had before finally getting the Optima - since replaced with the 50D). If I had known about the 65D I would have bought that.

wiggy781
23rd May 2020, 01:42 PM
Good info, thanks. I dropped into my local SSB stockist to trial fit the HVT-70D, slightly too big for my Traxide tray and close on height. As mentioned I think I could have modified the tray and made it fit but decided to go with 65D. No stock of 65D in WA so waiting on delivery from NSW. My stockist reckons the 65D is now discontinued.

Turtle60
24th May 2020, 07:47 AM
For those that have the room to fit a battery 280l x 176w x 190h ( including din posts) itech under bonnet lithium cranking battery is doable. Costly but states fully usable 65amps and chargeable via alternator or Via any isolator. at 8 kgs it’s cranking rated at 1300CCA.
Costly at $900 bucks but serious power. When my yellow top dies I’ll bite the bullet and try it. I expect there not far of a full size disco size start though on output specs this could drop in as a replacement start battery for the one there now.
This is the only one I’ve seen advertised and warranted as a straight drop in under bonnet Lithium. 2 year replacement.
They claim fully Ozzie battery.
concede a traxide sharing with decent AGM is more economically viable but for those who don’t really want to share there start battery for camp duties the full discharge of these batteries gives you serious useable power.
It has my attention anyway.

Turtle

imaz
4th August 2020, 05:28 PM
For those that have the room to fit a battery 280l x 176w x 190h ( including din posts) itech under bonnet lithium cranking battery is doable. Costly but states fully usable 65amps and chargeable via alternator or Via any isolator. at 8 kgs it’s cranking rated at 1300CCA.
Costly at $900 bucks but serious power. When my yellow top dies I’ll bite the bullet and try it. I expect there not far of a full size disco size start though on output specs this could drop in as a replacement start battery for the one there now.
This is the only one I’ve seen advertised and warranted as a straight drop in under bonnet Lithium. 2 year replacement.
They claim fully Ozzie battery.
concede a traxide sharing with decent AGM is more economically viable but for those who don’t really want to share there start battery for camp duties the full discharge of these batteries gives you serious useable power.
It has my attention anyway.

Turtle

I have the space under the bonnet, and rather tempting solution.... But all other lithium makes dont rate under the bonnet. Am about to get two aux battery solution up to the same price of that 1 lithium you mentioned... Just dont have the charger compatible for a lithium.

scarry
4th August 2020, 06:22 PM
Deep Cycle Systems,also have kits and run them under the bonnet.

Talk to anyone else in the industry,and they say no way.

drivesafe
4th August 2020, 07:36 PM
concede a traxide sharing with decent AGM is more economically viable but for those who don’t really want to share there start battery for camp duties
Any cranking battery is the perfect deep cycle battery and any preference for not using it to assist the power an auxiliary battery is supplying while camped, is based on nothing more than myths and no real knowledge of how batteries work and are used.


But putting this MYTH aside, using something like an SSB HVT 50D, you will have 55Ah and not discharge the battery below 11.5v, even though the manufacturer states they can be cycled down to 10.8v.


The SSB batteries, like any lead acid battery, can be used with a conventional VSR type isolator, but lithiums can not.


Once the motor is turned off, you must separate a lithium battery from a lead acid battery but this can only be done with a solenoid.


Because the settled voltage of a lithium battery is way to high for a VSR type isolator, if used, the isolator will only turn off if and when the lithium battery get to a near flat state of charge.


Now there is also an additional problem/limitation when using either a conventional VSR isolator or a solenoid.


When a modern vehicle, not just Land Rovers, but any make with a SMART alternator, which is most vehicles ( Toyotas being one of the exceptions ) because the SMART alternator will lower the voltage when it detects a fully charged or near fully charged cranking battery, when trying to charge a lithium battery from the alternator, the voltage may drop so low that the vehicle actually runs off the power coming from the lithium battery.


This is the very reason it is far better to charge a lithium with a DC/DC device.


So before everybody goes buying lithiums, you need to do your homework and the math.

imaz
5th August 2020, 07:53 AM
Super start no longer carry HVT-65D, sucks. They recommend CBC12V75AH.

FYI -


CBC Series Rated for Under Bonnet Use - Can also be used as a vehicle Starting battery or Dual Purpose Starting/Deep Cycle/Marine battery. Warranty covers under bonnet use

Tombie
5th August 2020, 08:59 AM
Super start no longer carry HVT-65D, sucks. They recommend CBC12V75AH.

FYI -


CBC Series Rated for Under Bonnet Use - Can also be used as a vehicle Starting battery or Dual Purpose Starting/Deep Cycle/Marine battery. Warranty covers under bonnet use

Would be fine.

drivesafe
5th August 2020, 10:06 AM
Super start no longer carry HVT-65D, sucks. They recommend CBC12V75AH.
Be careful of the bigger battery, going be the specs, I think you will find the battery will sit to close to the bonnet.

imaz
10th August 2020, 10:44 PM
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The terminals can be swapped for m8 to save on height. Can’t use the LHD battery clamp down bracket due to the shape of the battery, so I will make my own. Brake compartment cover can be used.

Goodchild stock a lot of things on shelf which is great, seems accomodating.

Tombie
11th August 2020, 04:46 PM
Your batteries are in 180° off [emoji41]

drivesafe
11th August 2020, 06:58 PM
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The terminals can be swapped for m8 to save on height. Can’t use the LHD battery clamp down bracket due to the shape of the battery, so I will make my own. Brake compartment cover can be used.

Goodchild stock a lot of things on shelf which is great, seems accomodating.

Hi again Imaz, as Tombie posted, to reduce the chances of the positive ( + ) terminal of either battery coming in contact with your bonnet, say on rough roads, both batteries should be turned around.


This will put the negative ( - ) terminals as the closest to the bonnet and other than giving you nipples in your bonnet, they will not cause a dead short. Your present setup can cause a dead short.


Also, the battery terminals on the SSB batteries can be removed and you can use a 6M bolt to secure cabling to these batteries. This lowers the overall hight of these batteries and this will help reduce the chances of a bonnet contact even further.

imaz
12th August 2020, 04:22 PM
Hi again Imaz, as Tombie posted, to reduce the chances of the positive ( + ) terminal of either battery coming in contact with your bonnet, say on rough roads, both batteries should be turned around.


This will put the negative ( - ) terminals as the closest to the bonnet and other than giving you nipples in your bonnet, they will not cause a dead short. Your present setup can cause a dead short.


Also, the battery terminals on the SSB batteries can be removed and you can use a 6M bolt to secure cabling to these batteries. This lowers the overall hight of these batteries and this will help reduce the chances of a bonnet contact even further.


Yes, exactly. I will replace the terminals with the M6 bolts instead to give that height clearance. I will use rubber boots, and there is the hood lining as well.

They do have the LD or LHD version of the HVT-50D, which the terminals are swapped side.

Cheers for the heads up.

LRD414
2nd September 2020, 04:10 PM
I've taken all these figures from the Superstart and Optima websites:




HVT-50D
HVT-65D
YellowTop



60Ah
68Ah
55Ah


Length
238mm
258mm
256mm


Width
172mm
168mm
175mm


Height
182mm
176mm
??


Terminal Height
206mm
182mm
201mm


Weight
19kg
20.5kg
19.5kg




With the HVT-65D no longer available and two other batteries mentioned recently I've re-done table for reference:




Yellowtop
CBC12V75AH
Optima H6



55Ah
75Ah
72Ah


Length
256mm
261mm
278mm


Width
175mm
169mm
175mm


Height
??
208mm
190mm


Terminal Height
201mm
214mm
190mm


Weight
19.5kg
22.7kg
25kg








So the CBC is 13mm higher and the H6 is 22mm longer.

CBC is a Superstart battery same supplier as SSB range.
The H6 is from the Optima Yellowtop family.

CBC12V75AH AGM Cyclic VRLA Battery (https://superstart.com.au/cbc12v75ah-agm-cyclic-vrla-battery.html)
H6 | OPTIMA Batteries (https://www.optimabatteries.com/en-us/yellowtop-deep-cycle-battery/h6)

Cheers,
Scott

imaz
2nd September 2020, 04:58 PM
With the HVT-65D no longer available and two other batteries mentioned recently I've re-done table for reference:




Yellowtop
CBC12V75AH
Optima H6



55Ah
75Ah
72Ah


Length
256mm
261mm
278mm


Width
175mm
169mm
175mm


Height
??
208mm
190mm


Terminal Height
201mm
214mm
190mm


Weight
19.5kg
22.7kg
25kg








So the CBC is 13mm higher and the H6 is 22mm longer.

CBC is a Superstart battery same supplier as SSB range.
The H6 is from the Optima Yellowtop family.

CBC12V75AH AGM Cyclic VRLA Battery (https://superstart.com.au/cbc12v75ah-agm-cyclic-vrla-battery.html)
H6 | OPTIMA Batteries (https://www.optimabatteries.com/en-us/yellowtop-deep-cycle-battery/h6)

Cheers,
Scott

I was contemplating on the H6, but being Optima, it has developed a bad reputation.

LRD414
2nd September 2020, 05:45 PM
I was contemplating on the H6, but being Optima, it has developed a bad reputation.
Yes and I think the CBC may be the go. 75ah gives a reasonable increase from the D34.
The 13mm extra height would be no higher than the j-bolts I'm using now for the hold-down bracket.

Scott

drivesafe
2nd September 2020, 06:35 PM
Hi Folks and while the Fusion battery looks good, you will need to test the bonnet clearance.

I experimented with a 55Ah Lead Crystal battery, which was just 1mm higher and while it did not touch the bonnet but there was zero clearance.

A bad bump and your bonnet may grow a nipple or two.

imaz
6th September 2020, 10:02 PM
Those with the SSB HVT50D, what is your battery voltage when full?

Dagilmo
6th September 2020, 10:45 PM
Those with the SSB HVT50D, what is your battery voltage when full?

12.7-8. I have two and they are 3 months old.

I've just spent the last 8 days charging every night to revive my start battery which is 5 years old. Seems to have helped.

imaz
6th September 2020, 11:04 PM
I have two of them in parallel as aux, few weeks old. After engine power off, they slowly drop from around 15v to 12.99v where they sit stable. Im assuming that is the going float rate.

kelvo
6th September 2020, 11:58 PM
I have two of them in parallel as aux, few weeks old. After engine power off, they slowly drop from around 15v to 12.99v where they sit stable. Im assuming that is the going float rate.
15v seems too high for a charging voltage, are you sure your volt meter is correctly calibrated?

My HVT-50D stabilises at 12.8-12.9v.

imaz
7th September 2020, 12:58 AM
15v seems too high for a charging voltage, are you sure your volt meter is correctly calibrated?

My HVT-50D stabilises at 12.8-12.9v.

Unsure, probably needs to be replaced, bloody smith multimeter :)

I caped my Redarc dc-dc to 14.6 as recommended. It could go as high as 15.4v under different profiles.

drivesafe
7th September 2020, 02:49 AM
I have two of them in parallel as aux, few weeks old. After engine power off, they slowly drop from around 15v to 12.99v where they sit stable. Im assuming that is the going float rate.
That sort of voltage reading is for a No-Load situation.

The batteries are constantly in a fully charged state.

You need to wait until you actually use the batteries for a decent time period be tween charges, like after a weekend away.

Out of curiosity, what is your cranking battery voltages when you measure your auxiliary batteries?

imaz
7th September 2020, 10:33 AM
That sort of voltage reading is for a No-Load situation.

The batteries are constantly in a fully charged state.

You need to wait until you actually use the batteries for a decent time period be tween charges, like after a weekend away.

Out of curiosity, what is your cranking battery voltages when you measure your auxiliary batteries?

Just checked this morning, car not started yet today.

Engine not running.
Starting batt: 12.60v
Aux batt: 12.87v

drivesafe
8th September 2020, 09:25 AM
Hi Imaz and a tad surprised your SSB batteries were not sitting a shade higher.

My two SSB HVT50D batteries have not had a charge for 8 days now, and they are both at a constant 13.02v and 13.06v.

What is the temperature like where you are located?

imaz
8th September 2020, 12:15 PM
Hi Imaz and a tad surprised your SSB batteries were not sitting a shade higher.

My two SSB HVT50D batteries have not had a charge for 8 days now, and they are both at a constant 13.02v and 13.06v.

What is the temperature like where you are located?

When I sent those figures, it was a cool morning(17c) in Perth. Engine had not been started yet so the bay was cool.

Not sure I want to crank up the voltage maximum on the redarc bcdc charged to 15.4v if you think they may help. It would exceed the battery specs sheet.

Unsure if the parallel setup has any effect?

No accessories have ever been attached to these batteries yet, so considered new.

In saying that, both Kelvo and Dagilmo share the same voltages - unsure which configuration they have.

Moggymitch
8th September 2020, 07:43 PM
Has any one fitted a CBC12V75AH in a Traxide tray yet?

I have completed the installation of a Traxide kit and am now looking for a battery. I was hoping to fit a SSBHVT65D but looks like they’re all gone.

If the CBC12V75AH is a tight fit I will go for the safer option of the SSBHVT50D.

cheers
Jonathan

kelvo
9th September 2020, 07:43 AM
In saying that, both Kelvo and Dagilmo share the same voltages - unsure which configuration they have.
I’m in Perth, so same temperature as you, but I have a Traxide USI-160 isolator which I leave in the ‘ignition’ position under normal everyday driving. My voltage is measured using a BT battery monitor.

drivesafe
9th September 2020, 08:41 AM
I’m in Perth, so same temperature as you, but I have a Traxide USI-160 isolator which I leave in the ‘ignition’ position under normal everyday driving. My voltage is measured using a BT battery monitor.
Hi Kelvin, and what sort of results are you getting?

kelvo
9th September 2020, 09:47 PM
Hi Kelvin, and what sort of results are you getting?
Pretty good results, I think. I don’t have any logs showing the battery with a load connected, it’s been a fair few months since I’ve been out camping. But here is a log after the D4 had been sat for four days.

kelvo
9th September 2020, 09:56 PM
These are the voltages as the D4 was turned off before being left for four days (3.5 really). The main battery drops off more initially as the auto headlight delay kicks in as it gets park in our garage.

imaz
10th September 2020, 12:47 AM
Pretty good results, I think. I don’t have any logs showing the battery with a load connected, it’s been a fair few months since I’ve been out camping. But here is a log after the D4 had been sat for four days.

Which monitoring are you using?

Tombie
10th September 2020, 07:55 AM
The Aux has been disconnected for about a month now as I’m re-wiring the vehicle.

The primary is down as the dash cams are always running, UHF is left on in vehicle and it hasn’t been driven for a few days.

It’s been single digit nights and cool sub 20c days around here.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200909/96476779f9c3ab790d33b2413a43198a.jpg

kelvo
10th September 2020, 12:05 PM
Which monitoring are you using?
Just the cheap BM2 Bluetooth Battery monitor.

I got my three (D4 starter, D4 aux and camper trailer) via eBay, but I think Tim (Drivesafe) sells them now.

The app was initially only for Apple devices, I don’t know if there is an Android version yet.

imaz
10th September 2020, 04:40 PM
Just the cheap BM2 Bluetooth Battery monitor.

I got my three (D4 starter, D4 aux and camper trailer) via eBay, but I think Tim (Drivesafe) sells them now.

The app was initially only for Apple devices, I don’t know if there is an Android version yet.

Cool, I just picked up the Matson version.

drivesafe
10th September 2020, 05:01 PM
These are the voltages as the D4 was turned off before being left for four days (3.5 really). The main battery drops off more initially as the auto headlight delay kicks in as it gets park in our garage.


Cool, I just picked up the Matson version.
No Imaz, they are grossly over priced.

There is a business in Melbourne selling them for $30 including post, and they are fast.

EDIT, electronsupply.com

imaz
10th September 2020, 05:09 PM
No Imaz, they are grossly over priced.

There is a business in Melbourne selling them for $30 including post, and they are fast.

I was in to get the clearence model from supercheap at $30, but there were none so I fell for the current model at $49. ( I have already been raped ).

Anyway, I will look at the business you mentioned, when I get another for the Starting battery. The apps should be compatible with both, as dont they all look like a rebrand of something?

imaz
10th September 2020, 06:47 PM
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200910/44c181cae0dba5b1d3de52eabc33b1fd.jpg

Why would the crank state be 7.73v?

Tombie
11th September 2020, 10:24 AM
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200910/44c181cae0dba5b1d3de52eabc33b1fd.jpg

Why would the crank state be 7.73v?

Pull down during cranking.

imaz
11th September 2020, 11:07 AM
Pull down during cranking.

Done. Still the same. Almost like that cranking page doesn’t get refreshed.

Pull down doesn’t refresh.

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Strop
14th October 2020, 11:40 AM
Has any one fitted a CBC12V75AH in a Traxide tray yet?

I have completed the installation of a Traxide kit and am now looking for a battery. I was hoping to fit a SSBHVT65D but looks like they’re all gone.

If the CBC12V75AH is a tight fit I will go for the safer option of the SSBHVT50D.

cheers
Jonathan

Just had my Optima say goodbye. I would love to know if anyone has an answer for this question also.

Only $10 difference in the battery prices on eBay.

imaz
11th November 2020, 02:03 PM
Didn’t know these existed.

https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-75ah-lithium/

3yr under bonnet installation warranty.

scarry
11th November 2020, 03:05 PM
Didn’t know these existed.

DCS 12V 75AH (LITHIUM) (https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-75ah-lithium/)

3yr under bonnet installation warranty.

This is interesting, stolen from another site

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16324982/640/16324982.jpg (https://picturepush.com/public/16324982)

For our new wheels(not LR) I looked closely at something similar to this, but didn't go with it.

Couldnt really justify the price, and they are not really proven under bonnet yet.

Instead went with TRAXIDE DT-90,SSBHVT70D,which will suit us fine, and fit in easily under bonnet.

mitchE39
11th November 2020, 07:30 PM
Instead went with TRAXIDE DT-90,SSBHVT70D,which will suit us fine, and fit in easily under bonnet.

Did it fit in the tray in front of the Starting battery like the lithium pictured?

scarry
11th November 2020, 08:18 PM
Did it fit in the tray in front of the Starting battery like the lithium pictured?

No it won't,in a D4.

mitchE39
12th November 2020, 06:04 AM
No it won't,in a D4.

Where did it fit then?

drivesafe
12th November 2020, 07:05 AM
This is interesting, stolen from another site

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16324982/640/16324982.jpg (https://picturepush.com/public/16324982)


I have seen this setup in their add, but why, if they are such experts at fitting DBS, have they mounted the auxiliary battery arse-about.

The negative ( - ) MUST BE next to the guard, because this is the lowest area near the bonnet, when the bonnet is closed.

NOTE this SAFETY requirement is for all makes of vehicles, not just Land Rovers.

Just not satisfactory for so called "experts" to do such a non professional install.

discorevy
12th November 2020, 07:36 AM
Where did it fit then?

re-read his post

mitchE39
12th November 2020, 06:14 PM
re-read his post

I think I may have been misinterpreted.

I’m not referring to the Lithium battery, I’m referring to the SSB battery that’s been fitted. All the post says is that it was fitted under the bonnet using a traxide kit. The Traxide kit I know uses a battery tray in front of the cranking battery, hence I was looking to clarify of that battery fit in that tray.

drivesafe
13th November 2020, 10:58 AM
Has any one fitted a CBC12V75AH in a Traxide tray yet?

I have completed the installation of a Traxide kit and am now looking for a battery. I was hoping to fit a SSBHVT65D but looks like they’re all gone.

If the CBC12V75AH is a tight fit I will go for the safer option of the SSBHVT50D.

cheers
Jonathan
Hi Jonathan, and sorry for the long delay in replying, but I am flat out.

I have been in discussion with SSB and that battery is NOT suitable as it is a dedicated Deep Cycle battery, and must not be used for starting purposes.

I was going to promote the SSB HVT-65D but this battery will not be available much longer.

I am looking at another battery right now and as soon as I have more info on it, I will post up both the specific battery and with a bit of luck, some discount prices for my customers and AULRO members.

drivesafe
20th September 2022, 12:44 AM
Hi folks and just a followup on some of the info in this thread.

For the passed 18 plus months I have been warning people to do their homework before choosing drop-in lithiums which will be charged directly by an alternator in any vehicle running SMART alternator operations.

While drop-ins can be kept in a reasonable state of charge while running around town, doing short drive. The problem comes about when you go on a trip of just a few hours of continuous driving.

You will get to your overnight stop, run a fridge and some camp lighting and probably goto the vehicle a few times before you go to bed.

Next morning you find your fridge is not running and after some checking you find the two lithiums are flat and have shut down.

I have recently been informed that this is the exact scenario that the D4 in this thread, fitted with two lithium drop-ins, has been suffering from, but something I did not know until just recently is that apparently the continuous running of the lithium batteries in such a low state has actually stuffed at least one of them.


So again, just a warning, do your homework before choosing lithium drop-ins as replacements for lead acid batteries.

Jpdv
20th September 2022, 07:25 AM
Did it fit in the tray in front of the Starting battery like the lithium pictured?

There's a number of different points in this thread, but just to be clear, if this was asking what I thought it was, then yes, the SSBHVT70LD will fit - just!

Use the HVT70LD, which has the terminals the right way round. It's bloody tight, but a number of people have got this nice big battery in there on the tray. I have it there with the DT90, and a personalised wiring loom for various reasons - works faultlessly, charge tops up very quickly.

I actually tweaked the alignment so that the negative post was directly under a 'hole' in the lower skin of the hood, to avoid any rubbing/wear issues.

l00kin4
20th September 2022, 08:08 AM
I actually just replaced my HVT-50D with the HVT-70LD (HVT-50D just over 3 years old but car has hardly been driven and battery hardly charged so I can't really complain)

As I have a bracket mounted on my Traxide tray for my compressor outlet I couldn't be bothered taking the tray out to flatten the edge, so I cut off the outboard edge of the tray in situ with a Dremel. It did work but I wouldn't recommend it - stainless doesn't like to be cut [smilebigeye]

Fits nicely though. Pic below before I put the insulating terminal covers on

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David

drivesafe
20th September 2022, 10:57 AM
I actually just replaced my HVT-50D with the HVT-70LD (HVT-50D just over 3 years old but car has hardly been driven and battery hardly charged so I can't really complain)

As I have a bracket mounted on my Traxide tray for my compressor outlet I couldn't be bothered taking the tray out to flatten the edge, so I cut off the outboard edge of the tray in situ with a Dremel. It did work but I wouldn't recommend it - stainless doesn't like to be cut [smilebigeye]

Fits nicely though. Pic below before I put the insulating terminal covers on

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David
That must have been one had and long cut!

l00kin4
20th September 2022, 03:32 PM
That must have been one hard and long cut!

Hi Tim, yes, it was bloody awful. I used 2 diamond wheels and more than 10 cutting wheels (along with some knuckle skin) with the right angle adapter on the Dremel.

If I'd taken it out I would have done it with a proper grinder which would have been A LOT easier. but I'm ok with what I did as I didn't want to fiddle with my air hose plumbing which is attached on a bracket to the inboard edge of the tray.

David

Tombie
21st September 2022, 11:43 AM
Hi Tim, yes, it was bloody awful. I used 2 diamond wheels and more than 10 cutting wheels (along with some knuckle skin) with the right angle adapter on the Dremel.

If I'd taken it out I would have done it with a proper grinder which would have been A LOT easier. but I'm ok with what I did as I didn't want to fiddle with my air hose plumbing which is attached on a bracket to the inboard edge of the tray.

David

Now watch out for all the rust spots that will form in the engine bay!!!!

You may want to clean it out and spray some lanolin around for a while...

l00kin4
21st September 2022, 01:05 PM
Now watch out for all the rust spots that will form in the engine bay!!!!

You may want to clean it out and spray some lanolin around for a while...

Thanks Tombie,

I was conscious of this and covered everything I could with a drop sheet and gave it all a very good cleanout afterwards.

Thanks for the lanolin idea

David