L405 reliability

[Lukeis]

I’ve been looking seriously at getting a secondhand L405.

currently I have a discovery 4 and was going to get a discovery 5 but realised that a 2018.5 is about the same price as a 2015/2016 L405. (There is actually a 2017 L405 for 104k on sale now but my purchase price is hopefully starting with a 7 so I assume ill be on a 2015 model.

i wouldn’t want to get the discovery 2017 or 2018 D5 as its anew model and I expect some teething issues in the first 18 months.

my question then is if I go for a L405, what is the most reliable version and year?

I’d like the 3L 6 cylinder as it’s better on fuel but would consider the V8 if it was considered a better and more reliable engine.

is there anything I need to be aware of? I’m hoping that since it came out in 2013 the 2015/16 models would have ironed out any initial problems, happy to be corrected?!

Thanks all.

[Gregz]

Here is a spec sheet for the MY16 L405. Note that only the v8's get the option of active rear diff, if that is of interest for you. ... not available on v6.

[Lukeis]

Thanks Greg, that’s great!

the rear e-diff for me would only be a bonus to have, I’d guess that only a very small percentage of L405 buyers would add this to their cars from new so I suspect this would be a hard Option to come by when buying secondhand.

I have a D4 without it as well and it’s never held me back so I question how necessary it is

[peter g]

I have 2015.5 tdv6, Vogue, (a few minor changes to spec compared to early 2015 models).
Now only completed 50000 km, however no warranty issues at all, (seems that I wasted my money with extended warranty - just about to expire). Very happy love the car.

[Lukeis]

I have 2015.5 tdv6, Vogue, (a few minor changes to spec compared to early 2015 models).
Now only completed 50000 km, however no warranty issues at all, (seems that I wasted my money with extended warranty - just about to expire). Very happy love the car.

That’s reassuring to hear, thanks.

ps. extended warranty is like life insurance, you hope it’s a waste of money

[INter674]

Here is a spec sheet for the MY16 L405. Note that only the v8's get the option of active rear diff, if that is of interest for you. ... not available on v6.


Interesting that the D4 SC 3l V6 gets the e diff as standard so I was told as did the very rare V8 SC D4.

I can highly recomnend the SC V6 engine and 8 speed...and the e diff is v good to have too😉

[scarry]

I have a D4 without it as well and it’s never held me back so I question how necessary it is

Mine has it and its very handy.Although i have still been able to get stuck at times[bighmmm]

Although,as said by Gordon from GOE,the later generation Terrain response,in the D4, is that good it isn't really needed.

So i presume the L405 would also be the latest generation.

[Lukeis]

Anyone know how many people tend to take up this option?

and retrofitting is still not possible?

[Graeme]

I retro-fitted an e-diff to my MY12 L322. I had to find an e-diff with the correct ratio (found one near Russia), ie out of a 4.4 TDV8 L322, acquire a compatible control unit (I used a D4 unit), acquire, adapt and fabricate the wiring harnesses between the e-diff and the control unit, identify then source control unit connector shells and contacts (at a fraction of the price of buying used connector tails from wreckers), connect to the HS canbus and ignition power and install a 40A power supply and 40A earth connection. Once fitted the CCF had to be updated then Gap provided an update to my IIDTool to add an option to request the control unit to calibrate the e-diff which they had already provided for D3s but hadn't previously added the option to the late L322 menus.

You would need to do your homework before deciding whether to retro-fit or not.

[Lukeis]

I retro-fitted an e-diff to my MY12 L322. I had to find an e-diff with the correct ratio (found one near Russia), ie out of a 4.4 TDV8 L322, acquire a compatible control unit (I used a D4 unit), acquire, adapt and fabricate the wiring harnesses between the e-diff and the control unit, identify then source control unit connector shells and contacts (at a fraction of the price of buying used connector tails from wreckers), connect to the HS canbus and ignition power and install a 40A power supply and 40A earth connection. Once fitted the CCF had to be updated then Gap provided an update to my IIDTool to add an option to request the control unit to calibrate the e-diff which they had already provided for D3s but hadn't previously added the option to the late L322 menus.

You would need to do your homework before deciding whether to retro-fit or not.

after reading this I can confirm I will not be retrofitting one. Well above my head

[CSBrisie]

after reading this I can confirm I will not be retrofitting one. Well above my head

I was so tempted to say “ sounds simple Graeme...”!!!

[Graeme]

It was simple in principle but took a while to research and achieve. The cost was about double the cost of the factory build option, not helped by the freight cost of the diff from Lithuania.

[scarry]

after reading this I can confirm I will not be retrofitting one. Well above my head

An aftermarket locker may be easier,but still probably a massive job,for very little return.

That is if there is one available that will fit.More than likely there isn't.

[rar110]

I had a drive of my sister’s 2015 D4 on Fraser in a difficult spot. Both my 2008 L322 and the D4 had open diffs and got through without any trouble. But the D4 with 8 speed and more modern TR did it with less hesitation. I was impressed. So for me a rear factory locker would be a nice to have but not essential.

[Graeme]

My son Justin's MY10 D4 now has MY16 TR s/w which he says is very much better than the original, although it has the e-diff too.

[BobD]

I have a 2013 TDV6 and love it. There were several common issues on the 2013 model which should have been fixed under warranty. However, the first owner didn't fix any of them despite having an extended warranty. When I bought it in 2017 at 42,000km I had to do the necessary repairs at my own cost but there hasn't been a single fault since and I am now over 120,000km. I use mine almost exclusively for towing a large off road caravan so it is working hard most of the time, apart from when the caravan is parked during a trip.

In March we did 2400km non stop in 28 hours from a point 600km from the Sunshine Coast to the WA border to beat the WA border lock down, all towing the caravan with me driving and my wife mostly sleep. The whole trip to the border was 3000km and we did the first 600km between 3:00pm and 10:00pm with a short sleep before doing the next 2400km with only fuel stops combined with toilet stops at between 2 and 4 hour intervals depending on where the next fuel was. Whilst it was a dreadful thing to do neither of us had any aches of pains at any time. We then did the rest of the trip to Perth over the next two days.

My car obviously doesn't have the locking rear diff but I have never missed it off road. Compared with my 2010 D4 with a locking rear diff, the RRV is even more capable if anything, not less. I would like it for the stronger diff but it is not needed in off road conditions in my opinion.

Edit: I forgot, I did have to get new primary and secondary (auto stop start) batteries, mainly because the car was sitting around for a long time waiting to be sold initially and then waiting to be sold to me! I also had to replace the suspension compressor last year but I wouldn't be surprised if that was also due to long periods of no driving before I got it. It has made up for that now with three return trips across the Nullarbor since this time last year (all towing) and 80,000km since December 2017.

[Summiitt]

Ive only had my 17 V8 diesel for about a month, but have done about 5000km already. I don't drive for fuel efficiency as the engine is so damn good, but have averaged 8.9l/100. Looking through the service history, its had nothing other than scheduled servicing and some software updates..such a great car..

[Lukeis]

Thanks gents!

summit, do you mind if I ask what you paid for it? Can direct message me if you want to keep it private

[orangepop]

Just chiming in on this thread. I have a MY16 L405 SDV8 Autobiography which
is just prior to ADD BLUE spec... so it has 105 ltr fuel tank instead of I think 86 Ltr in later models. For me the larger tank is a blessing when doing long trips with a van. Only issue todate is main battery needed replacing due to age and sitting waiting for me to buy it 2nd hand. Love it

[Lukeis]

Just chiming in on this thread. I have a MY16 L405 SDV8 Autobiography which
is just prior to ADD BLUE spec... so it has 105 ltr fuel tank instead of I think 86 Ltr in later models. For me the larger tank is a blessing when doing long trips with a van. Only issue todate is main battery needed replacing due to age and sitting waiting for me to buy it 2nd hand. Love it

What’s your fuel consumption like in the v8? I tow a 3.4t van and would hate to burn through tons of petrol for costs and environment reasons

[orangepop]

What’s your fuel consumption like in the v8? I tow a 3.4t van and would hate to burn through tons of petrol for costs and environment reasons

Our van is 3.2 ton loaded . I’ve previously had 2 x 3ltr V6 Sports towing the van and the V8 uses less fuel ... something to do with 8 speed I stead of 6 and with 740 Nm torque it just idles along

[BobD]

What’s your fuel consumption like in the v8? I tow a 3.4t van and would hate to burn through tons of petrol for costs and environment reasons
You won’t use up much petrol in a V8 diesel!!

The TDV6 is over 200kg lighter and has a higher payload than the TDV8, which is a big plus. It is especially economical with the 8 speed transmission but The TDV6 still uses between 16 and 20 l/100km towing my 3t Zone RV Off Road caravan.

[CSBrisie]

What’s your fuel consumption like in the v8? I tow a 3.4t van and would hate to burn through tons of petrol for costs and environment reasons

From a Facebook site: member who tows. Kedron and averaging 15.9/100 towing


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[BobD]

That 15.9 would probably be in a no wind situation. Any sort of head wind quickly increases the fuel consumption with large caravans and a tail wind greatly reduces it.

I think the TDV6 would be working a lot harder than the TDV8 so I think it may use more fuel when towing. It may use slightly less when not towing though, although there is probably nothing in it. Both are in the high 7 to low 8 region measured fuel consumption when not towing I think.

One thing I have found with my TDV6 is that the reported fuel consumption is actually slightly lower than the measured value when towing but when not towing it is slightly higher. This is good because it means I can rely on the very important range value on the display when towing and the next fuel stop is important to know with the small fuel tank. If the range reduces faster than the actual distance to go I have found that I can slow down a bit until the range matches the distance. I had a lot of practice at this on my pre lockdown trip across Australia trying to minimise fuel stops. The only issue is that the car still has about 8l of fuel left when the range is zero, which is a bit if a welcome safety margin.

[orangepop]

From a Facebook site: member who tows. Kedron and averaging 15.9/100 towing


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I also get around the 15-16 ltr/100 towing 3.2t.
This is a recent weight check.
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[CSBrisie]

Now there is a thought - how much did the car weigh?

i was stunned to see 2840kg on the weigh bridge at the dump/tip/refuse Centre last weekend on my 17 V8 and I had about 50kg of stuff and me at 80; fuel and then I guess I’ve added a few options like extra battery, ARB compressor etc. but I thought at most I’d see 2500kg.

[orangepop]

Interesting... Full fuel , a few bits an pieces in the boot and passenger (light [emoji3]) GVM was 2833 so when Towball weight added we only had about 40kg to play with.... albeit 722kg under GCM.

[AlexRS4]

I did a fair bit of research on these a while back and nearly bought one. From memory, there weren't many owners experiencing major issues.

It seemed that 2014 or 15 onwards ones were good. Sweet spot was the 2015-16 prior to AdBlue.

Known issues - secondary turbo drain added from 2014 onwards (earlier ones could blow smoke) but this is retrofittable.

Prior to 2014 or 2014.5 the head unit had poor performance and newer ones were much better. SDV8 seemed the pick with no real downside - fuel economy as good or better than the V6. Having said that, I've got a 3.0 V6 in my D4 which carries more weight than an L405 with the accessories I have and it's absolutely fine on power.

I test drove a couple L405s and was really impressed. It is miles more car than a discovery. If you're looking at similar $ for both vehicles with a 2015/16 vs a 2017/18 being the only difference - the L405 is a much better value proposition. I went for a D4 in the end because I found one $45k cheaper and fully decked out for touring which suited my lifestyle better. But it was more of an accessory / offroading decision than a price decision.

3rd option of course is a RRS. The SDV6s all have low range. Also brilliant cars to drive but smaller than the L405 or D5.

[Lukeis]

Thanks Alex, that’s really helpful!

I think a test drive is on the cards when I return to Sydney in September as that will help me decide if it’s the right car for me.

Oddly I’m not really that into the RRS, performance wise they are great but I don’t like the looks, or something I can’t put my finger on, maybe it’s the typical RRS drivers in my area ;)

just to clarify. The L405 has low range right?!

the V8 and V6 decision is a tough one, I would hate to choose the 8 and when I do my big trip to WA next year (currently on a big eastern half trip, albeit stuck in Darwin atm) and find the fuel costs is killing me

there is a great looking hybrid 2015 model for 84k selling online now with only 46,000km, I’m nervous to get such an early release hybrid though

[rar110]

All L405s have dual range.

[BobD]

I weighed my TDV6 this afternoon and found that I can't tow my caravan with what I normally carry, which isn't much! It was 2800 (1540 on rear axle) with full tank, my 82kg wife and 200kg of stuff that I normally carry, including a second spare. compressor, tools and recovery gear etc. I also was astounded and have been spending all afternoon looking into what the extra weight is above the weight in the specs of 2160 not including fuel or driver. So much for the extra payload of the TDV6! With me and my wife in the car I have 120kg left for the 260kg TBW from my caravan.

The main extras that weigh a lot that I have found are the panoramic sun roof (could be up to 100kg), side steps (around 50kg), dual battery and radio, probably around 50kg, 275 tyres x 5, say 25kg above standard. I also think the tow bar must not be included in the spec weight, despite them being standard in Australia. Still short of a couple of hundred kg I reckon, so I am going to a different weighbridge to see what happens.

I also have a wheel weight scale, which seems to read at least 10% high. I used that to weigh the rear wheels and with adjustments for the inaccuracy I got a rear axle load of 1541, so perhaps the weighbridge value of 1540 is correct.

It just goes to show that 200 series with much less payload than a RRV and then bull bar, large wheels, suspension lift and drawers etc added must be way over loaded when towing if they don't have a GVM upgrade.

Edit 11/6/20: I just went to a second weighbridge and the weight was 2790, so almost identical to the other weighbridge, unfortunately.

[rar110]

Wow, so family of 4 (teenagers), full tank & family caravan, you’ve reached your GVM? Maybe that’s why JLR reduced the fuel tank size?

[rar110]

Thanks Alex, that’s really helpful!

I think a test drive is on the cards when I return to Sydney in September as that will help me decide if it’s the right car for me.

Oddly I’m not really that into the RRS, performance wise they are great but I don’t like the looks, or something I can’t put my finger on, maybe it’s the typical RRS drivers in my area ;)

just to clarify. The L405 has low range right?!

the V8 and V6 decision is a tough one, I would hate to choose the 8 and when I do my big trip to WA next year (currently on a big eastern half trip, albeit stuck in Darwin atm) and find the fuel costs is killing me

there is a great looking hybrid 2015 model for 84k selling online now with only 46,000km, I’m nervous to get such an early release hybrid though

The hybrid tdv6 L405 is interesting. The marketing was pretty slick. You would think the electric motor would take a lot of the inertia effort and wear off the motor, reduce manifold pressure etc.

[BobD]

Wow, so family of 4 (teenagers), full tank & family caravan, you’ve reached your GVM? Maybe that’s why JLR reduced the fuel tank size?

The 2013 TDV6 only has 89litres anyway and no AdBlue. If I had known how heavy the sun roof is I wouldn't have bought the car that I did, second hand. There is no possible use for it here, other than looking at the sky and the trees if you are in the back seat. Mine is all closed up 90% of the time. Occasionally in winter I open the blind, just because it its there and I may as well use it.

[BobD]

Thanks Alex, that’s really helpful!

the V8 and V6 decision is a tough one, I would hate to choose the 8 and when I do my big trip to WA next year (currently on a big eastern half trip, albeit stuck in Darwin atm) and find the fuel costs is killing me



Why would the fuel cost kill you? The TDV6 and TDV8 are very similar and it looks like the TDV8 uses less fuel when towing than the TDV6. My TDV6 uses significantly less fuel than my SDV6 6 speed D4 and the V8 will also be way less than the D4.

[Lukeis]

Why would the fuel cost kill you? The TDV6 and TDV8 are very similar and it looks like the TDV8 uses less fuel when towing than the TDV6. My TDV6 uses significantly less fuel than my SDV6 6 speed D4 and the V8 will also be way less than the D4.


It’s probably just a lifelong belief that a V8 is thirsty and I’ve never challenged it.

Im on the road now and I do hear some horrible figures from some of the V8 200 series drivers and just assumed that’s a V8 over a Toyota issue - very happy to be wrong.

Regardless, as I said in the OP I’m more focused on reliability and subsequent service costs than the fuel savings anyway

interesting to hear about those weights, I’ll take my D4 to the weighbridge this afternoon if I get a chance

[BobD]

It’s probably just a lifelong belief that a V8 is thirsty and I’ve never challenged it.

Im on the road now and I do hear some horrible figures from some of the V8 200 series drivers and just assumed that’s a V8 over a Toyota issue - very happy to be wrong.

Regardless, as I said in the OP I’m more focused on reliability and subsequent service costs than the fuel savings anyway

interesting to hear about those weights, I’ll take my D4 to the weighbridge this afternoon if I get a chance

Are you towing?

[AlexRS4]

Thanks Alex, that’s really helpful!

I think a test drive is on the cards when I return to Sydney in September as that will help me decide if it’s the right car for me.

Oddly I’m not really that into the RRS, performance wise they are great but I don’t like the looks, or something I can’t put my finger on, maybe it’s the typical RRS drivers in my area ;)

just to clarify. The L405 has low range right?!

the V8 and V6 decision is a tough one, I would hate to choose the 8 and when I do my big trip to WA next year (currently on a big eastern half trip, albeit stuck in Darwin atm) and find the fuel costs is killing me

there is a great looking hybrid 2015 model for 84k selling online now with only 46,000km, I’m nervous to get such an early release hybrid though

Understand completely on the RRS. I felt the same until I drove one - try not to hold the stereotype of RRS drivers against the car itself. Really is a lovely thing and it's a nice size too.

In terms of niceness it goes (not surprisingly) FFRR >> RRS > Disco. Capable too.


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[Graeme]

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[Lukeis]

Are you towing?

yep, towing a 22.6ft van - havent weighed it yet, for the same logic as I don’t check my bank balance after a weekend out on the town but should be between 3.2 and 3.5t

regarding RRS, they seem a bit too small. Also I do a lot of beach driving for surfing, I feel like with my setup I’m likely to get help from anyone in the D4 and they might even think I know what I’m doing, perhaps the same can’t be said in the RR?!

[BobD]

Now there is a thought - how much did the car weigh?

i was stunned to see 2840kg on the weigh bridge at the dump/tip/refuse Centre last weekend on my 17 V8 and I had about 50kg of stuff and me at 80; fuel and then I guess I’ve added a few options like extra battery, ARB compressor etc. but I thought at most I’d see 2500kg.

Your weight seems about right compared with mine. If you take out the estimated load from yours you get 2710. For mine I get 2518 with a full 89l tank of fuel. The TDV8 is at least 200kg heavier than the TDV6 and that is what we get from our weights. We both have some fairly similar extras and I assume you must at least have a panoramic roof, if not side steps.

You would never get 2500 because your model is 2456 without fuel or driver and almost certainly without the tow bar or any other extras in the car that are not in the most basic possible model in Europe. According to the manual, mine is 2160 for the same conditions, although after 2013 the weight is increased to 2205 for the V6.

As with all vehicle and caravan weights what is in the manual often bears little relationship to the actual weights, so we really need to weigh everything to understand our limitations. Like you, I thought I had heaps up my sleave to allow for the TBW.

By the way, despite the extra weight of the V8, the V6 and V8 have the same rear axle capacity of 1775kg (as does every model of L405) and only 90kg extra on the front axle, so it would be very easy to exceed maximum rear axle loads on the V8. I don't know how you could use the extra 200kg of GVM without exceeding the rear axle load, since everything behind the front axle increases load on the rear axle.

[CSBrisie]

Your weight seems about right compared with mine. If you take out the estimated load from yours you get 2710. For mine I get 2518 with a full 89l tank of fuel. The TDV8 is at least 200kg heavier than the TDV6 and that is what we get from our weights. We both have some fairly similar extras and I assume you must at least have a panoramic roof, if not side steps.

You would never get 2500 because your model is 2456 without fuel or driver and almost certainly without the tow bar or any other extras in the car that are not in the most basic possible model in Europe. According to the manual, mine is 2160 for the same conditions, although after 2013 the weight is increased to 2205 for the V6.

As with all vehicle and caravan weights what is in the manual often bears little relationship to the actual weights, so we really need to weigh everything to understand our limitations. Like you, I thought I had heaps up my sleave to allow for the TBW.

By the way, despite the extra weight of the V8, the V6 and V8 have the same rear axle capacity of 1775kg (as does every model of L405) and only 90kg extra on the front axle, so it would be very easy to exceed maximum rear axle loads on the V8. I don't know how you could use the extra 200kg of GVM without exceeding the rear axle load, since everything behind the front axle increases load on the rear axle.

Thanks BobD, much appreciated! Gives me pause for thought before I buy the next Van...likely ZoneRV!

Cheers

[Lukeis]

Thanks BobD, much appreciated! Gives me pause for thought before I buy the next Van...likely ZoneRV!

Cheers

Weighed my 2011 D4 today with full fuel, no driver = 2.8tons
I have a bullbar, winch, spotties etc

this gives me 440k payload which needs to include myself, partner, Daughter, fridge full of beer, luggage, roof pod for surfboard and fishing gear etc. plus my tow ball weight

im leaving the house in Darwin on Monday and will be fully loaded so I’ll check it again then

main reason for checking this vs the L405 is I want to make sure my next car isn’t significantly heavier, I like the confidence I have on soft sand at the moment

[CSBrisie]

Bob's research has been an eye opener for me. I went from L322 SDV8 to L405 thinking I was materially increasing payload. Now I realise I haven't. And I have no winch, bull bar, long range tank....sigh. At the moment it isn't an issue, but I have my heart set on a Zone RV 20.6.....so I now know I'll be overweight once TBW is included. Damn. Might need to rethink Van size (and TBW) I guess, given there are some great 16 footers out there. But, doesnt solve the problem I cant add much more weight to the car.

[2nd Rower]

It seemed that 2014 or 15 onwards ones were good. Sweet spot was the 2015-16 prior to AdBlue.

Is this purely based on the adblue addition to the engine from MY 17, I would have thought the interior upgrades to MY17 inc wider screen and Carplay/android were a significant positive over the MY16 and before?

[AlexRS4]

Is this purely based on the adblue addition to the engine from MY 17, I would have thought the interior upgrades to MY17 inc wider screen and Carplay/android were a significant positive over the MY16 and before?

Yep. And it depends what you want. Smaller fuel tank etc with AdBlue or carplay.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

There's aftermarket solutions for Apple Carplay & Android Auto in the earlier cars.

This is a 2014MY L405

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https://youtu.be/YElne9yLEyg

[Geedublya]

There's aftermarket solutions for Apple Carplay & Android Auto in the earlier cars.

This is a 2014MY L405

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https://youtu.be/YElne9yLEyg

What sort of cost Cameron? I have the dual screen display.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

What sort of cost Cameron? I have the dual screen display.
I do it for $1600 installed incl GST, that's with a USB socket added to the original panel as well.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200616/87ca75bdd52f8394e38a663fce773134.plist

[Lukeis]

those pictures are quite dark so its hard to tell but is that taking out the factory screen and replacing it with something else? or is it still the factory face but a software or hidden hardware change? I don't think I would be keen on changing the factory screen but keen to know more if not.

Back to the original question on this post...

Also from my research to date and lack of many complaints online it almost seems the L405 is the most reliable car of the land rover line up - which doesn't make a lot of sense. For instance if someone asked the same question I asked in the discover forum there would be a lot of things commented to look out for.

I find this odd, I mean Land rover cant surely make one really reliable car and the others not so much - can they?
(of course i checked another well known forum overseas as well given the relative low use of this one for l405's)

I wonder if there is any merit in the theory that I don't read much because the average owner of a L405 is in a position to use the dealership and not a forum to fix any issues? Otherwise perhaps you truly do get what you pay for.

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

those pictures are quite dark so its hard to tell but is that taking out the factory screen and replacing it with something else? or is it still the factory face but a software or hidden hardware change? I don't think I would be keen on changing the factory screen but keen to know more if .
It's the original factory screen. Did you watch the video?

[Lukeis]

I did. Looks pretty smooth.
will keep you in mind when I end up with one - which state are you in?

[Cambo_oldjaguar]

I did. Looks pretty smooth.
will keep you in mind when I end up with one - which state are you in?
Seven Hills, Sydney

[33chinacars]

To reboot an old thread. I'm also in the market for a 2013-2016 SDV8 4.4 diesel L405 .
What are some common faults to look out for . Probably be looking at a car with around 100,000 kms on the clock
So how have you been going so far . Anything major go wrong.
Currently have an L322 TD6
Thanks for your help guys

[rar110]

Watching with interest.

I’m pretty certain the 4.4 tdv8 also has plastic intakes and thermostat housing, and so be problem with age, like the other Ford motors used by JLR (equally applies to other makes).

The pop up auto selector has been an issue on some D4s so same would apply to the L405 (not heard of a prob with L494 auto selector).

I just had a prob with coolant hoses going soft with age (applicable to any car) so will apply to an older L405 or L494. The tdv8 has a lot of hoses. The EGR cooler can also be a failure point on any modern diesel. A mates ford ranger EGR cooler failed requiring a fairly expensive repair (even though thankfully no major engine damage).

Plastic connectors on fuel hoses age particularly at fuel cooler end. I’ve experienced this on my tdv8 L322. Not expensive to fix yourself. But a huge issue if it happens when a long way from home.

The variable shocks are an expensive longer term consumable. The front air spring/dampener assembly will be approaching an age requiring replacement (like any in the JLR range).

The tdv8 L322 2015 or 2016 seem to be the pick from what I’ve read before going to Adblue, a smaller fuel tank but after JLR fixed the turbo oil hose issue.

At one stage I was very keen to move from my L322 to a L405 or maybe L494. They are such a nice and yet very capable vehicle. But very complex and upkeep as they age has put me off. So will prob end up with something much newer, less upkeep, but not as good. There’s always a compromise whether it’s a L405 or something more common. I hope the above is useful.

[33chinacars]

Thanks RAR110

That's sort of what I've been seeing as well . Yet to have a drive as there are none in my area . Well there was but we were in COVID lockdown . It was a petrol not diesel but had beautiful tan interior , only one I've seen in tan. Now sold before I could get a look. [bigsad]

Currently do nearly all my own work on my L322 TD6. Owned for the last 10 years , now with nearly 200,000 kms. Just replaced all the shocks & air bags . Thinking I had a leak. Maybe , Maybe not. Ended up replacing ECU to fix my problem .

With any car you will have to keep up the maintenance

[33chinacars]

What ever I buy , if I buy , I will be putting 20" rims on it with slightly large tyres . Just for the extra side wall. Road around here have lots of pot holes [bigsad][bigsad][bigsad]

I see from another post that the rims are -47 mm

But in my way of thinking -53 could work to depending how 20" & 22" rims are measured . Because 22" rims are an 1" wider that 20" rims
22" x 9.5 " , 21" x 9.5" & 20" x 8.5"
Or am I wrong and the 22" rims are not centered the same as 20" rims

[TheCannyMan]

Does anyone have long term experience with the 5.0 SC V8? Did these come standard with the e-diff? What's the typical fuel consumption like (conservatively, I appreciate there's a direct relationship to the loud pedal!)

I'm also contemplating turning over my 2016 D4 in the next 6-12 months. Fortunately I've got the e-diff now and would love to have it in the next vehicle.

TIA

Sam

[Graeme]

I’m pretty certain the 4.4 tdv8 also has plastic intakes and thermostat housing, and so be problem with age, like the other Ford motors used by JLRThe L405 4.4 TDV8 engines were from the outset fitted with the only revision of the inlet manifolds and intake that have occurred. I suspect they were introduced in the later L322 engines and when other documented minor improvements occurred in early 2012 engines. The thermostat housing which also serves the purpose of the water outlet is comprised of multiple parts screwed together, unlike the D3/D4 water outlet which comprises of parts moulded together so may not suffer the same finite life as the D3/D4 component.

[rar110]

Thanks RAR110

That's sort of what I've been seeing as well . Yet to have a drive as there are none in my area . Well there was but we were in COVID lockdown . It was a petrol not diesel but had beautiful tan interior , only one I've seen in tan. Now sold before I could get a look. [bigsad]

Currently do nearly all my own work on my L322 TD6. Owned for the last 10 years , now with nearly 200,000 kms. Just replaced all the shocks & air bags . Thinking I had a leak. Maybe , Maybe not. Ended up replacing ECU to fix my problem .

With any car you will have to keep up the maintenance

Ive owned my 3.6 L322 for 7 years. It’s a great car, I love it. But I don’t want to do this much work again. When I sell it someone will pick up a nicely looked after car.

The motor itself is solid (oil & filter change every 10k km) now at 297k km, but its the stuff that hangs off it that can age/fail. Ive replaced the trans/transfer case, front spring assembly, alternator, Ac compressor, pulley tensioners/belt, water pump, trans cooler, fuel hoses, some coolant hoses, and had the roof/bonnet repainted. The thermostat housing was replaced about 275k km, so is prob due again now. About the only other thing is starter and turbos. EGR disabled years ago.

Currently the audio system has stopped working. It will be something simple, just need to find it.

[orangepop]

To reboot an old thread. I'm also in the market for a 2013-2016 SDV8 4.4 diesel L405 .
What are some common faults to look out for . Probably be looking at a car with around 100,000 kms on the clock
So how have you been going so far . Anything major go wrong.
Currently have an L322 TD6
Thanks for your help guys

My 2015/16 SDV8 Autobiography has just ticked over 50k with zero issues 🤞 I fitted 20” rims off a sport about a year ago for towing & any dodgy roads.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

My 2015/16 SDV8 Autobiography has just ticked over 50k with zero issues 🤞 I fitted 20” rims off a sport about a year ago for towing & any dodgy roads.


:ttiwwp:

[Geedublya]

Does anyone have long term experience with the 5.0 SC V8? Did these come standard with the e-diff? What's the typical fuel consumption like (conservatively, I appreciate there's a direct relationship to the loud pedal!)

I'm also contemplating turning over my 2016 D4 in the next 6-12 months. Fortunately I've got the e-diff now and would love to have it in the next vehicle.

TIA

Sam

I don't know about the L405 (too lazy to look as well) but the RRS with SCV8 had the e-diff and I understand any vehicle with Dynamic mode has an e-diff (I could be wrong).

My L494 SCV8 consumption is 18l/100 city, 14l/100 highway, 22l/100 towing my 2.9t ATM caravan. My city driving is often stop start peak hour Sydney.

I had an engine issue with excessive noise from the drivers side head. This turned out to be a worn exhaust valve tip and lash cap causing excessive clearance. It was an expensive job to access and repair but the repair did include having both heads serviced, replacing all exhaust valves, replacing 5 injectors, replacing spark plugs, servicing the supercharger and replacing all plastic coolant lines and the water pump.

[CSBrisie]

I’ve got a SDV8 MY17 with 80000 on the odo and fault free; I’ve had a D3 D4 L322 (MY12 SDV8) and now L405. This has been the most reliable, with others all held to c120,000kms. I’ve modded it a bit: three inch exhausts (wouldn’t do it again, dont get same benefit as L322 without dpf); uhf, Redarc, LLAMS, LT275\55\20 Ridge Grapplers on a second set of rims; dual battery system with Aplug and solar input etc

Tows superbly.

11/100km around town but that’s with a lot of tunnel and only a little stop start.

Have seen 8/100 on highway with ease.

Overall, great car, no regrets and no plan to upgrade anytime soon as the V8 is sublime!

Cheers

[CSBrisie]

I’ve got a SDV8 MY17 with 80000 on the odo and fault free; I’ve had a D3 D4 L322 (MY12 SDV8) and now L405. This has been the most reliable, with others all held to c120,000kms. I’ve modded it a bit: three inch exhausts (wouldn’t do it again, dont get same benefit as L322 without dpf); uhf, Redarc, LLAMS, LT275\55\20 Ridge Grapplers on a second set of rims; dual battery system with Aplug and solar input etc

Tows superbly.

11/100km around town but that’s with a lot of tunnel and only a little stop start.

Have seen 8/100 on highway with ease.

Overall, great car, no regrets and no plan to upgrade anytime soon as the V8 is sublime!

Cheers

First issue at 82000km - slow oil leak from Oil Cooler; being repaired under Warranty (5year) albeit 6 week wait for parts …. Sigh ….cheers

[Graeme]

My L322's turbo oil feed o-rings were replaced at 82K then less than 2K later the cooler gaskets so were probably already leaking. Now with 150K I hope that my high temp sealant on the new gaskets will provide a longer gasket life.

[CSBrisie]

My L322's turbo oil feed o-rings were replaced at 82K then less than 2K later the cooler gaskets so were probably already leaking. Now with 150K I hope that my high temp sealant on the new gaskets will provide a longer gasket life.

Thanks Graeme, cheers [emoji482]

[Graeme]

The original gasket part numbers have recently been superseded, hopefully due to being made from a better heat resistant material.
LR113003 and LR113004