Now which new tyres to get...

[coopers1969]

Over the weekend away in the flinders rangers we had some very bad luck. 1 tire, oh well it happens even if i it did happen in spectacular fashion(see photo) but the second one the next day. Now someone is pulling the p!!s. So one destroyed tire one puncture fixed. And now which tires to get.
I think as I tow a 2.8 off road single axle caravan I am leaning to the Maxxis AT980 being light truck. But I do like the General Grabber AT3. Guys who have the maxxis tires how have they been wearing I have read though the 56 pages about them but there is no 2 year latter type reviews. And I know that Babs had a lot of bad luck or are these maxxis not everything they are cracked up to be.
Cheers for any feed back. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200610/c6d306add89be036230ae21a870cd779.jpg

[Stuart02]

Wow, perhaps shout yourself a TPMS while you're at it?! [emoji1]

[DiscoJeffster]

My Maxxis are good. I’m likely to stick with them. Wear - typical. A bit noisy but they’re practically an MT tread pattern so expected.

[coopers1969]

Wow, perhaps shout yourself a TPMS while you're at it?! [emoji1]

Very true and that leads me to another questions I have the factory fitted TPMS but I messed with the setting though the IIDGAP tool and no warnings on the dash about deflation. Maybe some one knows the factory setting for The TPMS.

[Tombie]

Ahhh good old Cooper Tyres.... [emoji41]

[coopers1969]

Ahhh good old Cooper Tyres.... [emoji41]

Never again came with the car when we purchased it.

[ATH]

I've had Maxxis 980s on for 47K now and am not overly impressed. Bit of road noise doesn't bother me but the failure of 1 tyre out of a set of 5 with a different manufacture date (2 punctures and leaks through tread from small slits) did not impress me. Tyre replaced by Maxxis or their agent at a third of the cost of a new tyre.
Others of the set seem to have the same splitting happening.
Maybe about 10K left in them but if I do a remote off road trip I'll be junking them for something else which may be Grabbers as I had a good run with them on Defenders. Now the question is do I go for new rims at 18" plus something different (Falkens?) or stay with the 19"? I doubt anyone will pay for the 19" rims so I may just get GGs until I get shot of the D4 in a year or so.... although the Cook reckons this is the last time I waste money on a Land Rover. :) And it will be.
AlanH.

[Discodicky]

Over the weekend away in the flinders rangers we had some very bad luck. 1 tire, oh well it happens even if i it did happen in spectacular fashion(see photo) but the second one the next day. Now someone is pulling the p!!s. So one destroyed tire one puncture fixed. And now which tires to get.
I think as I tow a 2.8 off road single axle caravan I am leaning to the Maxxis AT980 being light truck. But I do like the General Grabber AT3. Guys who have the maxxis tires how have they been wearing I have read though the 56 pages about them but there is no 2 year latter type reviews. And I know that Babs had a lot of bad luck or are these maxxis not everything they are cracked up to be.
Cheers for any feed back. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200610/c6d306add89be036230ae21a870cd779.jpg

I am about to replace the very bland 100% bitumen smooth road based tyres on mine, and have decided either Toyo Open Country Plus 255/55R19 or (most likely) the Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10 255/55R19 as they have had very good reports on other threads here.

Had the Toyo's on another 4WD (Isuzu Mux) and they were very quiet and smooth, and also very good in the wet, but only did approx 12,000 klms so can't comment on their life.

[coopers1969]

I am about to replace the very bland 100% bitumen smooth road based tyres on mine, and have decided either Toyo Open Country Plus 255/55R19 or (most likely) the Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10 255/55R19 as they have had very good reports on other threads here.

Had the Toyo's on another 4WD (Isuzu Mux) and they were very quiet and smooth, and also very good in the wet, but only did approx 12,000 klms so can't comment on their life.

I didn’t think toyo’s make a 19inch in a AT.

[BushDisco]

I'll put a vote in for the Hankooks, excellent wear, very low noise, stable in wet conditions and perform ok offroad on gravel, dust and sand. Not great in clay mud as don't easily self clean but not many ATs do.

On balance one of the best tyres I've owned.

[AlexRS4]

Pirelli Scorpion ATR+ would be my vote unless you really want LT then your only option at 19" is the Maxxis. Or use this as an excuse to get some Tuff Ants or Compmotives and widen your choices and give you bigger sidewalls?

I run the Pirellis on mine. Get good reviews off-road, supposed to be pretty robust (for non LT) and they are fantastic on road with low noise and good grip. And they look great [emoji106]

Most of all they are one of the most modern AT tyres at this size available, at only a couple years old. Most competitors are much older designs.

Good price on tyresales.com.au (which does include delivery to a local fitter and fitment and balancing).

[swampy1]

I didn’t think toyo’s make a 19inch in a AT.

I have had a set of these for 40K. They are a bit noisy on concrete surfaced highways but no problems at all. They are not on toyo's website but my local toyo dealer sourced them.

[John_D4]

I’ve also got Maxxis 980’s and in not overly impressed. I’ve heard that toyo have brought out a 255 55 19 recently but I haven’t tried them.

[coopers1969]

I have had a set of these for 40K. They are a bit noisy on concrete surfaced highways but no problems at all. They are not on toyo's website but my local toyo dealer sourced them.

Yes I have just found the Toyo open country at plus very cool love Toyo’s but I have also found wrangler duratrac for under 300 not fitted though which is a really good price seeing as I have been quoted 350.00 for maxxis 980.

[Tombie]

Maxxis is LT - 115S
Duratrac is XL - 111Q
Pirelli is XL - 111H
Toyo is XL - 111H

All are worthy contenders. Pick your poison.

[Tombie]

Yes I have just found the Toyo open country at plus very cool love Toyo’s but I have also found wrangler duratrac for under 300 not fitted though which is a really good price seeing as I have been quoted 350.00 for maxxis 980.

The Toyo are around $260 a tyre. (+fit) and should be a reasonably quiet tyre.
The Pirelli design gets a little noisy once they’re wearing in
The Duratrac will humm almost from new

[coopers1969]

The Toyo are around $260 a tyre. (+fit) and should be a reasonably quiet tyre.
The Pirelli design gets a little noisy once they’re wearing in
The Duratrac will humm almost from new

Noise is not in my decision process. Off road towing is my main concern. And I had ruled out the Durtracs due to the cost but have now found them a lot cheaper about the same price as maxxis so now back in contention.
It is now between the Toyo’s and Duratrac’s [emoji848]

[Discodicky]

I didn’t think toyo’s make a 19inch in a AT.

I thought that too but depends on which site you look at.
Have yet to confirm but.
The Hankooks are looking pretty good for me.

[Eric SDV6SE]

My Maxxis are good. I’m likely to stick with them. Wear - typical. A bit noisy but they’re practically an MT tread pattern so expected.

Same here, good all round, wear is ok, ive done about 30,000km on them. Off road is great, bit of understeer on wet tarmac on roundabouts if too fast into the turn, but it is a 3t 4wd. Sidewall stiffmess is great offroad makes the ride a bit harsher, but acceptable.

[peekay0019]

Which model are those Coopers tyres?

Apologies if its in the post and I missed it.

[coopers1969]

Which model are those Coopers tyres?

Apologies if its in the post and I missed it.

Zeon LTZ both rear tires failed.

[Tommy Armstrong]

Hankook dynapros gave me 80,000km with 5000km tread remaining. Tried Pirelli scorpions and got 25000km and down to carcass.

Pirelli don't offer km warranty. My tyre place pulled the pirelli contract and put another set of hankooks on.

My fuel efficiency picked up again. I tow 3.5 tonne a lot and do a lot of gravel roads. I live on a farm and drive a bit of snow and mud as well. Just my 2 cents. Mine are on 18 inch rims.

At 5000kms worth of tread remaining I find I start picking up screws etc on the road and get flats.

[INter674]

Weve had MTs around here a lot and no problems. Son just replaced a set with well over 80000ks inc some hard trips eg Simmo..Vic high country..etc. Tread was still legal but fatigue was appearing between the tread blocks and traction was bit sketchy in the wet. No punctures at all.

We've had several sets ..US made.. that have all performed very well.

Pity the price just seems to be ever increasing tho 😞

[scarry]

Maxxis is LT - 115S
Duratrac is XL - 111Q
Pirelli is XL - 111H
Toyo is XL - 111H

All are worthy contenders. Pick your poison.

Or go to 18's,and there is a good range of higher load rated tyres.

[coopers1969]

Or go to 18's,and there is a good range of higher load rated tyres.

Would love to but can’t afford the change over to 18 inch rims.

[Barraman]

Tried Pirelli scorpions and got 25000km and down to carcass.

I got 70,000 km out of a set of Pirelli Scorpian ATRs on my D4. I think the Pirelli Scorpian AT Pluses that replaced them (currently on 60,000 km) will go well over that!

[kblof]

Zeon LTZ both rear tires failed.

just spent the weekend at JAKEM Farm here in Adelaide and stuffed the sidewall of a brand new Cooper ATT 255/55/19. I got sold them as the new you beaut XL much better than the ZEON LTZ. Never bought Coopers before and looks like i shouldn't have this time either :-(
If i had my time again out with the 19 and in with some 18's

[StewG]

I'm happy with Maxxis. 60k kms and no trouble at all towing 2.5T off-road van on all manner of roads/tracks (not much sand). I just bought a new set despite being pricey. ~$316 each.

[Odysseyman]

just spent the weekend at JAKEM Farm here in Adelaide and stuffed the sidewall of a brand new Cooper ATT 255/55/19. I got sold them as the new you beaut XL much better than the ZEON LTZ. Never bought Coopers before and looks like i shouldn't have this time either :-(
If i had my time again out with the 19 and in with some 18's

I’ve put this question before on other threads but had little response. What pressures were you running and what speed were you travelling at when you damaged the tyre. I believe this is VERY relevant and needs to be considered before blaming the tyres.
I have run Cooper ST Maxx and Cooper AT3 on my old Ford Ranger and never a problem. Now I run Maxxis AT980 on my 19” rims and same story. In my view it’s all about pressure and speed in most cases.

David

[coopers1969]

I’ve put this question before on other threads but had little response. What pressures were you running and what speed were you travelling at when you damaged the tyre. I believe this is VERY relevant and needs to be considered before blaming the tyres.
I have run Cooper ST Maxx and Cooper AT3 on my old Ford Ranger and never a problem. Now I run Maxxis AT980 on my 19” rims and same story. In my view it’s all about pressure and speed in most cases.

David

Yeah I agree but on a graded dirt road doing 80 km with rear tire pressures at 42psi cold both tires got holes one which could be repaired and one which can’t. The tire damage that couldn’t be repaired happened with 3 people in the back. The the repaired tire happened towing my van on the same road a few days later.
I guess just bad luck but has made me not wanting to put Zeon’s back on the car. Yes I too wish I had 18 like the D3 before it had but can afford the $1600.00 dollar rim change for 6 rims.
In the end I have gone with the Duratracs will have them fitted for about 330.00 per tire which is 20 less than I was quoted for maxxis 980

[Odysseyman]

Yeah I agree but on a graded dirt road doing 80 km with rear tire pressures at 42psi cold both tires got holes one which could be repaired and one which can’t. The tire damage that couldn’t be repaired happened with 3 people in the back. The the repaired tire happened towing my van on the same road a few days later.
I guess just bad luck but has made me not wanting to put Zeon’s back on the car. Yes I too wish I had 18 like the D3 before it had but can afford the $1600.00 dollar rim change for 6 rims.
In the end I have gone with the Duratracs will have them fitted for about 330.00 per tire which is 20 less than I was quoted for maxxis 980

And if you’d dropped your rear pressures to around 30psi you may not have had the problem. 42psi is way too high. I run 28psi in the rear fully loaded on a long trip towing my camper trailer and no problems, including across the Savannah Way from Chillagoe to Borroloola and up the East Arnhem Road to Nhulunbuy.

[kblof]

I’ve put this question before on other threads but had little response. What pressures were you running and what speed were you travelling at when you damaged the tyre. I believe this is VERY relevant and needs to be considered before blaming the tyres.
I have run Cooper ST Maxx and Cooper AT3 on my old Ford Ranger and never a problem. Now I run Maxxis AT980 on my 19” rims and same story. In my view it’s all about pressure and speed in most cases.

David

good call David, for me it was 24 PSI and low crawling over some shale rocks - other tyres I've used over the years wouldn't have had any troubles admittedly 17"
maybe I'm jumping to conclusions too early and it was just a once off?

[coopers1969]

And if you’d dropped your rear pressures to around 30psi you may not have had the problem. 42psi is way too high. I run 28psi in the rear fully loaded on a long trip towing my camper trailer and no problems, including across the Savannah Way from Chillagoe to Borroloola and up the East Arnhem Road to Nhulunbuy.

Yes you could be right but I have a kaymar plus extra tank and 300 tow ball weight. So 28 psi on 19 inch rims would not be what I would be running at but 34 to 35 psi may have helped the pain in the ass is that the road to to station was only 10km and I had just traveled 350km on the black stuff and at 42psi my tires went up 4psi so I recon I am bang on for the black stuff and from now on will be dropping it back to the dirt.
But this is the first time it has happened in 7 years of traveling on the dirt. So I guess I have been lucky.

[Tombie]

42psi at that load on graded roads shouldn’t present a problem.

Absolutely too high on Gibber, but not a normal surface with that weight imposed.

Btw, be wary of that 4 psi “rule”. I’ve tested it under the same loads at different starting pressures and starting from 32psi and then using 2 psi increments for the next 4 days - still only achieved a 4psi increase.

[jon3950]

Btw, be wary of that 4 psi “rule”. I’ve tested it under the same loads at different starting pressures and starting from 32psi and then using 2 psi increments for the next 4 days - still only achieved a 4psi increase.

+1 for that. Low profile tyres are especially bad for it.

Its been a few years since I had my D4 but I ran LTZs on it as that was pretty much all that was available at the time. I think they are an inherently poor design for dirt roads. The tread blocks are too thin and too widely spaced. This means its very easy to be unlucky and get a sharp stone penetrate the carcass between the tread blocks - the weakest point.

It was vey important to get the pressures right to achieve a balance between flex in the tread and rigidity in the sidewall. I used to use a 4psi rule on dirt roads. That was drop the pressure by 4psi from highway pressures. If it was particularly bad, such as gibber I would go a bit lower and drop the speed. The numbers may vary for different load situations but that was what worked for me.

Cheers,
Jon

[AlexRS4]

The Toyo are around $260 a tyre. (+fit) and should be a reasonably quiet tyre.
The Pirelli design gets a little noisy once they’re wearing in
The Duratrac will humm almost from new

I have the Pirelli on mine and they are quiet with ~10,000km on them. The ATR+ are a new design and compound (released in 2018) and are quite different to the old design. Have a look at the link below.

Unlikely that many people have worn these down yet but early indications are they will go the distance too.

Pirelli Scorpion AT+ Long Term Review (https://www.tyrereview.com.au/pirelli-scorpion-at-long-term-review)

[shifdy]

I have the Hankook 265/60R18 114T Dynapro AT-M RF10 tires. so far they have proven fantastic.

I have used them on some very steep climbs and general off road and rally happy with them.

Braking seems really good and don't have much noise if any on the road. My first set, so can't really advise how many KMs I will get with them though.

Will definitely buy them again.

[Barraman]

I have the Pirelli on mine and they are quiet with ~10,000km on them. The ATR+ are a new design and compound (released in 2018) and are quite different to the old design. Have a look at the link below.
Unlikely that many people have worn these down yet but early indications are they will go the distance too.
Pirelli Scorpion AT+ Long Term Review (https://www.tyrereview.com.au/pirelli-scorpion-at-long-term-review)

My Pirelli Scorpion AT+, with 60,000 km on them are very quite.

[AlexRS4]

My Pirelli Scorpion AT+, with 60,000 km on them are very quite.

How worn are they at 60k?

Curious to know given other above reported them (I assume old version) at wearing out at 25,000.

[Tombie]

Heck, I’ll never be able to tell anyone here how far I got on a set of rubber.

I’ve never worn a set out [emoji1787]

[Graeme]

Those may have been the 18" AT+ that were stripped bare by the front wheels badly out of alignment.

[Tombie]

I have the Pirelli on mine and they are quiet with ~10,000km on them. The ATR+ are a new design and compound (released in 2018) and are quite different to the old design. Have a look at the link below.

Unlikely that many people have worn these down yet but early indications are they will go the distance too.

Pirelli Scorpion AT+ Long Term Review (https://www.tyrereview.com.au/pirelli-scorpion-at-long-term-review)

Careful with the manufacturers and their marketing hype [emoji41]
Compounds change very slightly, and tread designs vary slightly to enhance visual appeal more so than performance.

The underlying carcass design is more important for us than the tread in most situations.

Granted the AT+ is a vast improvement over the previous unit with tread design on many surfaces.

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I’d happily run any of these tyres (my work LV has Duratracs and no questioning their tenacity on fast loose dirt)

My 2nd preference of this group would be the Toyo. Better carcass, straighter sidewall in that size, less susceptible to cutting, and thicker base.

[Discodicky]

And if you’d dropped your rear pressures to around 30psi you may not have had the problem. 42psi is way too high. I run 28psi in the rear fully loaded on a long trip towing my camper trailer and no problems, including across the Savannah Way from Chillagoe to Borroloola and up the East Arnhem Road to Nhulunbuy.

My word you've opened a hornet's nest here, lol ! [tonguewink]
I've read elsewhere that there are some who proscribe to the theory that low pressures cause excessive sidewall & general bagging which in turn creates heat and susceptible damage.
As opposed to high pressures which cause a "stiffer" tyre and less prone to damage.

Speed most certainly is a significant factor, as you mention.
Being a Taswegian (pls don't hold that against me! [bigsmile]) we don't have the sort of dirt roads such as many of you mention, where sustained reasonably high speeds are possible.

I am following this thread with great interest as I intend a) buying new tyres very soon which will probably be Hankook 19" and b) 'cos I want to 'do' the Flinders Ranges area next year towing a 3.0 tonne c/van.

[Tombie]

Well when you’re coming over to my back yard let us know.
The Flinders is pretty good quality tracks and roads, the tracks aren’t too fast off of the main run and usually not to nasty.

[Odysseyman]

My word you've opened a hornet's nest here, lol ! [tonguewink]
I've read elsewhere that there are some who proscribe to the theory that low pressures cause excessive sidewall & general bagging which in turn creates heat and susceptible damage.
As opposed to high pressures which cause a "stiffer" tyre and less prone to damage.

Speed most certainly is a significant factor, as you mention.
Being a Taswegian (pls don't hold that against me! [bigsmile]) we don't have the sort of dirt roads such as many of you mention, where sustained reasonably high speeds are possible.

I am following this thread with great interest as I intend a) buying new tyres very soon which will probably be Hankook 19" and b) 'cos I want to 'do' the Flinders Ranges area next year towing a 3.0 tonne c/van.

it’s okay, I won’t hold it against you - I lived in Tassie my entire life until 6 years ago. I suspect your surname starts with C.

Once you start talking to the tyre manufacturer reps and engineers they, in my experience, all advocate lowering tyre pressures on gravel, the rougher the gravel, the lower the pressure and the lower the speed. Tyre construction these days is vastly different from earlier days (I remember well my father fitting one of the earliest sets of Michelin X tyres to arrive in Tassie on his beloved 1955 Chev. The wall we’re about as thin as a supermarket bag but they were the real deal in the day.

These days the sidewalls on a LT constructed tyres are almost as strong as the tread. One thing to note on a 255/55x19 is that the wrap of the tread plies almost meets the reinforced bead where the tyre fits the rim and I have no compunction in lower my pressures on any gravel. In fact, when talking to a former tyre rep for a major brand, he was suggesting 25psi on rough gravel would not be too low.

As I say, I have not had a problem. I have a Safety Dave TPMS and that has saved me a couple of times with slow leaks from nearly worn tyres, but apart from that, nothing. I do keep my speed down, and if you’re towing 3 tonnes I imagine (hope) you won’t be breaking any speed records... my camper trailer weighs around 1800kg with about a 10% ball weight. My rear axle load is close to maximum.
cheers
David

[Barraman]

How worn are they at 60k?

Curious to know given other above reported them (I assume old version) at wearing out at 25,000.

I think I will get a comfortable 80,000 km out of them. Mostly on bitumen but some of it pretty crappy - no more than 1,000 km on dirt. No off-road. At least 20,000 km towing a 6.7M 2.5 T boat/trailer.

[Milton477]

My vote is for 19" Maxxis as they are LT rated. I'm on my second set of Maxxis having had a set of Cooper Zeons before the Maxxis. I tow a lot on both blacktop & dirt. Van weighs 2.8T with a ball weight of 250kg. Rear pressure when towing is 45psi, front 30psi. The downside of the Maxxis is the noise they make.

[AlexRS4]

Careful with the manufacturers and their marketing hype [emoji41]
Compounds change very slightly, and tread designs vary slightly to enhance visual appeal more so than performance.

The underlying carcass design is more important for us than the tread in most situations.

Granted the AT+ is a vast improvement over the previous unit with tread design on many surfaces.

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Images posted for thread reference only.

I’d happily run any of these tyres (my work LV has Duratracs and no questioning their tenacity on fast loose dirt)

My 2nd preference of this group would be the Toyo. Better carcass, straighter sidewall in that size, less susceptible to cutting, and thicker base.


Compound changes are more than just hype. Some big improvements in the last decade have been made. Some manufacturers also seem a head above others - Michelin's compounds for sports car tyres for instance (Pilot Cup 2 and Pilot Sport 4S).

Tyres tend to have a long design life and proper updates are not common. The AT+ is one of those proper updates with changes to sidewalls, compound, tread pattern and construction. Most others are 10+yr old designs. May not be bad tyres but they aren't up with the latest technology. I had Coopers on my disco before (same as OP) and they sucked majorly in comparison.

Having said all that, I'd take a good set of LTs over them if there were more choices available. BFG or Mickey Thompson possibly. Shame about the sizing.

[Barraman]

I've had both of the Pirelli tyres above on my D4. In my experience, the AT+ is superior, both in the km obtained and in their performance under all condition. Very sure-footed even in extreme wet!

This tyre has about 60,000 km on it.

162054

(It seems determined to remain upside down)

[DieselLSE]

I've had both of the Pirelli tyres above on my D4. In my experience, the AT+ is superior, both in the km obtained and in their performance under all condition. Very sure-footed even in extreme wet!

This tyre has about 60,000 km on it.

(It seems determined to remain upside down)
Now that is gripping power!
It's upside down because your phone adds an EXIF code to the pic saying "this side up". Not sure if you can change this setting on the phone, but you'd need editing software to do it on a PC or Mac. The simplest way is to open the pic on your PC, rotate it correctly and save. Most, but not all, displaying apps should correct the EXIF orientation setting.

[Discodicky]

My vote is for 19" Maxxis as they are LT rated. I'm on my second set of Maxxis having had a set of Cooper Zeons before the Maxxis. I tow a lot on both blacktop & dirt. Van weighs 2.8T with a ball weight of 250kg. Rear pressure when towing is 45psi, front 30psi. The downside of the Maxxis is the noise they make.

Coincidentally just viewed a set of Maxxis on a D4 today!
Owner wasn't around so couldn't discuss.
Would be very keen to fit them as they are LT, but the reported noise puts me off as at least 90% of my driving is bitumen.
That's the only reason I'd go for Hankook or Toyo as by all accounts they are quieter and possibly perform as well (?) on dirt roads.
And a degree cheaper than many others.
My son had the latest Pirelli's on his D3 and they were very impressive, I could have been tempted.
But oh, the cost of them.........
Having said that, there is a saying.. " that the quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten"
I wonder if it applies to the more expensive tyres?

[101RRS]

Zeon LTZ both rear tires failed.

See there is your problem - you have tires where you need tyres [thumbsupbig].

[DiscoJeffster]

See there is your problem - you have tires where you need tyres [thumbsupbig].

Yeah what do yanks know about tyres.

[RHS58]

Hankook has recently upgraded the RF10 ATM to RF11 AT2.
So far I have been more than happy with the RF10’s, mostly highway and towing, with a bit of mild to moderate dirt gravel and off road work.

[Discodicky]

Hankook has recently upgraded the RF10 ATM to RF11 AT2.
So far I have been more than happy with the RF10’s, mostly highway and towing, with a bit of mild to moderate dirt gravel and off road work.

According to Hankook website, not available for 19"
Here we go again..........20" must be more popular/common than 19" !

[scarry]

According to Hankook website, not available for 19"
Here we go again..........20" must be more popular/common than 19" !

Yes,19" is one of the worst sizes to look for tyres,don't know why LR stick with such a silly size.
No other manufacturer that builds off road vehicles uses the size.

You would have to wonder WTF they were thinking....[bighmmm]
One of the reasons i bought the very last of the 2.7L D4 was to be able to get a tyre i wanted,and i did run 17's for a while.

[John_D4]

Yes,19" is one of the worst sizes to look for tyres,don't know why LR stick with such a silly size.
No other manufacturer that builds off road vehicles uses the size.

VW Amarok? I’m sure there are more that’s just at the top of my head

[Tombie]

VW Amarok? I’m sure there are more that’s just at the top of my head

Really? I thought they did 17, 18 And 20”
What model has the 19?

[John_D4]

Really? I thought they did 17, 18 And 20”
What model has the 19?

VW Amarok 19 Inch Wheels For Sale | VW Amarok 4x4 Rims | Autocraze 1800 099 634 (https://www.autocraze.com.au/vw-amarok-19-inch-wheels-sale/)

[AlexRS4]

Yes,19" is one of the worst sizes to look for tyres,don't know why LR stick with such a silly size.
No other manufacturer that builds off road vehicles uses the size.

You would have to wonder WTF they were thinking....[bighmmm]
One of the reasons i bought the very last of the 2.7L D4 was to be able to get a tyre i wanted,and i did run 17's for a while.

Brakes is why. Though you can fit 18s.

That and LR vehicles are bought by most people for luxury city and highway driving.

[Tombie]

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Ah. Aftermarket offering. [emoji41]

[PeterJ]

I realise different sizes but I think a lot can be inferred from the same brand/model of tyre of a different size.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/274201-what-happened-your-d3-d4-today-86.html#post3007968

hope it aids your deliberations

[scarry]

Brakes is why. Though you can fit 18s.

That and LR vehicles are bought by most people for luxury city and highway driving.

Other manufacturers can run OEM 18's with similar or more power,torque,etc,etc.

Infact, a mates late model V8TD Audi ran OEM 18's.Way more powerful than a D4,and pretty heavy.LC also comes to mind.

Brakes seem to be LR's excuse,but others get around it.Some blame TC,but the jury is out on that.

Correct,most LR's are sold for around town duties,but are still marketed as a heavy duty off road vehicle.

Although i wouldn't put new Defender in that category and it has 19" OEM wheels on some models.

[scarry]

VW Amarok? I’m sure there are more that’s just at the top of my head

umm,no,any others?

I was talking OEM?

[AlexRS4]

Other manufacturers can run OEM 18's with similar or more power,torque,etc,etc.

Infact, a mates late model V8TD Audi ran OEM 18's.Way more powerful than a D4,and pretty heavy.LC also comes to mind.

Brakes seem to be LR's excuse,but others get around it.Some blame TC,but the jury is out on that.

Correct,most LR's are sold for around town duties,but are still marketed as a heavy duty off road vehicle.

Getting OT a bit apologies. You can run 18s on a Disco4 aftermarket of course. Easy to do, plenty of options out there.

For LR it's marketing for sure. 19" looks better to most punters, they sell more cars that way. You can take a Disco pretty far off road on the 19" wheels anyway. Those who actually take their cars seriously off road AND are limited by the 19" tyres AND buy new, are rare - and really that's who the defender was for. LR have obviously recently seen that gap in the market for some buyers who are serious off roaders and buy new, but also want comfort, hence the new defender.

[John_D4]

umm,no,any others?

I was talking OEM?

So it seems that the original crappy website was a little hard to read. I didn’t read the bit about original tyre size being in bold and mistakenly thought the alternative sizes listed were the manufacturer’s sizes.

Interesting tho for me is why has most other manufacturers (except the xtrail) avoided 19”? 15, 16, 18” are good sizes, 20” also, why avoid 19”? 17” is used why not 19”?

[scarry]

So it seems that the original crappy website was a little hard to read. I didn’t read the bit about original tyre size being in bold and mistakenly thought the alternative sizes listed were the manufacturer’s sizes.

Interesting tho for me is why has most other manufacturers (except the xtrail) avoided 19”? 15, 16, 18” are good sizes, 20” also, why avoid 19”? 17” is used why not 19”?

Good guess would be lack of tyres available in that size,i presume,to suit road going, off road and commercially designed vehicles.?

As many have said,its very strange LR continue with that size,even for some models of new Defender.

[Tombie]

The big engine defender has been checked by Lucky8 and the limit is 20s

[John_D4]

Kinda a bit curious now. I compared 255 55 19 to 20” on a website. I found quite a few good options. Your right, why use 19”?

As a side note I know someone with 285 18’s on his D4, I’m curious to know if 285 50 20 would fit. That’s 4% bigger than the 255 55 19 which would make my speedo exact instead of under.

[ATH]

Gawd! The more I read the more confused I get. I was intent on Tuffant 18s but that left me trying to flog the 19" alloys which no one wants. Then I thought maybe keep them (the 19") and tyres and buy the 18s and change them for the very occasional long remote trip.
I think I just may settle for GGs in 19" as we won't be doing too many (if any actually) remote trips now.
I'll just mutter mutter about bloody LR and their silly wheel size..... :)
AlanH.

[DiscoJeffster]

Same Alan. I don’t go off-road enough at the moment to warrant the changeover. I’ll just tolerate the 19”s

[John_D4]

I think I just may settle for GGs in 19" as we won't be doing too many (if any actually) remote trips now.


GG - general grabbers I assume? How are they?

[RHS58]

Gawd! The more I read the more confused I get. I was intent on Tuffant 18s but that left me trying to flog the 19" alloys which no one wants. Then I thought maybe keep them (the 19") and tyres and buy the 18s and change them for the very occasional long remote trip.
I think I just may settle for GGs in 19" as we won't be doing too many (if any actually) remote trips now.
I'll just mutter mutter about bloody LR and their silly wheel size..... :)
AlanH.

Same situation here.
Maybe get the Tuffant wheels, store the 19’s in the shed and refit when it’s time to sell the car.
I reckon you’d have little trouble selling the Tuffants on AULRO.

[newby@54]

Can those who have fitted the 19 inch Maxxis AT980 or Pirelli Scorpion AT plus please confirm that the spare fits into the space under the car. It would be serious oops moment to buy 5 new tyres to find the spare doesn't fit.

Thanks

Nic

[DiscoJeffster]

Can those who have fitted the 19 inch Maxxis AT980 or Pirelli Scorpion AT plus please confirm that the spare fits into the space under the car. It would be serious oops moment to buy 5 new tyres to find the spare doesn't fit.

Thanks

Nic

They fit as a spare because they’re the same size as the original.

[John_D4]

Can those who have fitted the 19 inch Maxxis AT980 or Pirelli Scorpion AT plus please confirm that the spare fits into the space under the car. It would be serious oops moment to buy 5 new tyres to find the spare doesn't fit.

Thanks

Nic

Yes definitely. You don’t have to remove the heat shields or deflate the tyre either

[ramblingboy42]

Nothing like another tyre tread oops thread.

Some members have expressed understeer in certain situations. It's got nothing to do with the tyre brand or type unless you are running different tyres front/rear.

I'm actually horrified to see some members driving with 15psi less pressure in the fronts eg front 30psi rear 45 psi. That is a recipe for disaster. No wonder they understeer on roundabouts.

I put 800kg over the back of mine several times last week. I checked the tyres to see what they were doing. At 32psi all round there was no visual difference.

Check the vehicles tyre load rating and I'm sure you will not see a recommendation for a 15psi variation between front and rear.

90% of the time your front tyres carry more load and work harder than your rear, but I don't see anyone pumping their fronts 15psi higher.

[ramblingboy42]

I am prepared to eat humble pie as my vehicle max load pressures are recommended at 38front 44rear.

normal recommendation is 35 all round and there is an 'economy' recommendation of 38 all round

this is on 265.60x17 tyres.

[Barraman]

Can those who have fitted the 19 inch Maxxis AT980 or Pirelli Scorpion AT plus please confirm that the spare fits into the space under the car. It would be serious oops moment to buy 5 new tyres to find the spare doesn't fit.

Yes! I bought 5 - the spare fits just fine.

[Graeme]

I'm actually horrified to see some members driving with 15psi less pressure in the fronts eg front 30psi rear 45 psi.
I on the other hand was quite impressed as those pressures were when towing a van with a heavy tow-ball weight as the driver recognised the reduced weight on the front tyres, reducing the front pressures accordingly for correct contact patch and therefore grip for braking and avoiding over-steer.

[Milton477]

Can those who have fitted the 19 inch Maxxis AT980 or Pirelli Scorpion AT plus please confirm that the spare fits into the space under the car. It would be serious oops moment to buy 5 new tyres to find the spare doesn't fit.

Thanks

Nic

Maxxis fit.

[ATH]

I agree flogging the 18" rims wouldn't be a prob. for those bothering keep them, but I'm not interested in swapping between different rims for different activities. I'll just do as I said earlier and get 19" GGs to last me until I flog the vehicle in around a year or maybe less.
Of course I may be killed by the Cook but that's a risk I'll have to take. :)
AlanH.

[Discodicky]

I agree flogging the 18" rims wouldn't be a prob. for those bothering keep them, but I'm not interested in swapping between different rims for different activities. I'll just do as I said earlier and get 19" GGs to last me until I flog the vehicle in around a year or maybe less.
Of course I may be killed by the Cook but that's a risk I'll have to take. :)
AlanH.

Out of interest, why GG's?
Have you considered Hankook, Toyo, Maxxis or Pirelli ?

[ATH]

I've Maxxis 980s and never again. Had GGs on 2 Defenders and they were good so I'll go for them to last until I flog it at about 4 years old...… I'll get something I can get serviced anywhere with tyre sizes easily available.
AlanH.

[Discodicky]

I've Maxxis 980s and never again. Had GGs on 2 Defenders and they were good so I'll go for them to last until I flog it at about 4 years old...… I'll get something I can get serviced anywhere with tyre sizes easily available.
AlanH.

Agree re 19" small choice but eg Toyo, Hankook and Pirelli are, quote "easily available".

Am reading the remainder of your comment as having a passing somewhat bitter remark on Disco's perceived (lack of) reliability or lack of service agents, quote, 'anywhere'?
If that's the case, and please forgive me if its not, I think you are under some misunderstandings re other manufacturers perceived superior reliability and ease of servicing 'anywhere'.

If you mean a service as in an oil/filter change then anyone anywhere with half a brain can do a Disco, unlike a Ford Ranger of only 3 or 4 yrs ago when if you took too long (around 15 mins) to add fresh oil and start engine after the oil change then you wouldn't get oil pressure.
A common and well documented problem. Ford changed the oil pumps apparently.

However if you are referring to a breakdown "in the bush" then unless you happen to be close to the model's dealership or specialist then you have Buckley's chance of finding an outback mechanic with circa $10-15k of service diagnostic equipment OR the service training required to fix.

Am getting off the thread subject and apologise but don't be fooled to think that the 'others' don't have problems.
eg, my mate just bought a 2009 LC 200 two weeks ago with 162,000k and just been quoted up to $10k for the 8 injectors it needs.
He is not happy.

Early Toyo's had a brilliant reliability record, I also have an MY2000 4WD Hilux 3.0 with 531,000 and head never been off and never uses oil between 5k services, but due to very clever and smart advertising we are led to believe they are still the same in 2020 but they are not.
Financial pressures have caused all manufacturers to reduce R & D costs and they get their cars out into the market before they are perfected.
Witness Hilux recent recalls and Class action suits.

The LC200 is known for injector, starter motor, air filter issues and some turbo problems.
And all other have problems; there is a recall currently on with Ford Ranger 10 speed autos failing spectacularly.
Ford Ranger 6 cyl engines have well documented piston problems.

Suggest you have a gander at a Facebook site: mechanic.com.au and it will open one's eyes as to the problems all vehicles give and many you don't hear about.

The LR/RR range is not perfect but none of them are.
Its just the 'perception' of (un) reliability we have.

But the Disco never fails to put a smile on my dial every time I drive it.
A lovely car to drive and give satisfaction.

Sincere apologies for long post and a bit off subject. [bigwhistle]

[ramblingboy42]

I on the other hand was quite impressed as those pressures were when towing a van with a heavy tow-ball weight as the driver recognised the reduced weight on the front tyres, reducing the front pressures accordingly for correct contact patch and therefore grip for braking and avoiding over-steer.

Oh I get it, to compensate for heavy towball weight which you shouldn't tow with , you reduce front tyre pressures?

And that avoids oversteer?

It certainly bloody would.....

[ATH]

I must admit to having lost the plot a bit when I said that...… but try finding an actual mechanic rather than a parts swapper outside the metro area and it's much harder if you're driving anything other than a Tojo. We had a breakdown in Newman some years back and no way would/could anyone even bother looking at it although one bloke offered with the comment that he only knew about old Landies. However LR under the extended warranty trucked it home etc.
Not so long ago in Broome a bloke near us with a Hyundai (I think) was moaning about the same thing. Total disinterest from anyone in servicing it.
I do 10K services myself but while it's under warranty get a good independent to carry out official services at the 20 kay marks.
Yes I know a bit about other vehicles problems. Our son's new LC200 had huge probs. with oil consumption and a transmission that wouldn't pull the vehicle out of his driveway after he'd had a week or so away from home. Excuse was that it was "hi-tech" and needed time for pressure to build.....
Took Tojo 3 years to fix it. Plus it had to have the arse end beefed up to tow his boat.
Not sure what he's driving now as he's based away.
Anyway, the Cook says I'm driving my last new car …. :)
AlanH.

[coopers1969]

Well I put 4 new Goodyear Wranger duratrac and at first look they look awesome https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/f25a560f8c8f5b5afa0758dfc23d83a5.jpg

[loanrangie]

Well I put 4 new Goodyear Wranger duratrac and at first look they look awesome https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/f25a560f8c8f5b5afa0758dfc23d83a5.jpgNovelty wore off already ?

[scarry]

Am getting off the thread subject and apologise but don't be fooled to think that the 'others' don't have problems.
eg, my mate just bought a 2009 LC 200 two weeks ago with 162,000k and just been quoted up to $10k for the 8 injectors it needs.
He is not happy.

. [bigwhistle]

The first thing to check(before purchase),no matter what brand of secondhand diesel vehicle is the injectors.

The LC injector values have to be read hot and cold,by someone that has the right gear and knows what they are doing.Injecters often appear to be faulty but the real issue is low compression.

[John_D4]

Well I put 4 new Goodyear Wranger duratrac and at first look they look awesome https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/f25a560f8c8f5b5afa0758dfc23d83a5.jpg

Are they LT255 55 19? Keen to hear what they’re like onroad and off-road

[Tombie]

Are they LT255 55 19? Keen to hear what they’re like onroad and off-road

Basil135 has been running them for a few years and about to change them out as they are worn to wear bars.

He speaks highly of them.

[rick130]

Are they LT255 55 19? Keen to hear what they’re like onroad and off-road
Basil135 has been running them for a few years and about to change them out as they are worn to wear bars.

He speaks highly of them.And OzScott runs them on his D2.
He's done a few Cape trips, he rates them highly.

[Tombie]

I should add, I’ve run multitudes of rubber on work LVs.
Switched back to Duratrac on the current LV after having punctures every day.

Only had one in 60,000km on Duratrac

[Graeme]

Are they LT255 55 19? Keen to hear what they’re like onroad and off-road
They're XL LI 111 rated, not LT.

[Discodicky]

The first thing to check(before purchase),no matter what brand of secondhand diesel vehicle is the injectors.

The LC injector values have to be read hot and cold,by someone that has the right gear and knows what they are doing.Injecters often appear to be faulty but the real issue is low compression.

Agreed.

I forgot to mention in my post is that there is an extreme irony in my son's mates ( missed out the word "son's" in my post) LC200 injector problem who lives opposite me, and my eldest son lives 200 yrds around the corner. My son had a 2009 D3 HSE from roughly 112,000k to 176,000k and sold it for a new Hilux 4WD dual cab in Feb this year only 'cos the Disco no longer filled the families outdoors adventuring requirements. He had the belts done and I did all services. NO problems at all in that time, incl two mainland trips towing a 1.5T camper van, but his mate the new LC200 owner used to regularly take the p..s out of my son and I for owning, quote, "LR pommie ****e".

'ol mate had owned a GU Patrol 4 cyl which took out a piston or two as they are known to do, but otherwise a very good 4WD, and then a BT50 Mazda prior this 2009 LC200.

Deafening silence now from our friend and has to re-finance the recent loan on his 'cruiser to pay the injector bill. How sweet Karma is.

[josh.huber]

Agreed.

I forgot to mention in my post is that there is an extreme irony in my son's mates ( missed out the word "son's" in my post) LC200 injector problem who lives opposite me, and my eldest son lives 200 yrds around the corner. My son had a 2009 D3 HSE from roughly 112,000k to 176,000k and sold it for a new Hilux 4WD dual cab in Feb this year only 'cos the Disco no longer filled the families outdoors adventuring requirements. He had the belts done and I did all services. NO problems at all in that time, incl two mainland trips towing a 1.5T camper van, but his mate the new LC200 owner used to regularly take the p..s out of my son and I for owning, quote, "LR pommie ****e".

'ol mate had owned a GU Patrol 4 cyl which took out a piston or two as they are known to do, but otherwise a very good 4WD, and then a BT50 Mazda prior this 2009 LC200.

Deafening silence now from our friend and has to re-finance the recent loan on his 'cruiser to pay the injector bill. How sweet Karma is.

I'd try CEM in it first. Worked for me. He might save 10k

[BrianElloy]

I’ve had K02’s (agricultural) and D697’s (good initially but got noisy fast) but now on Falken Wildpeak ATW 285/60R18 LT and love them

Very minor rubbing when full lock in reverse right but AWESOME tyre quiet on road, perfect in sand and rock (12 and 22PSI respectively) but average in mud (to be expected as they’re an AT not MT)

Highly recommended

https://www.falkentire.com/sites/default/files/content/tires/tire-rotator-images/457x673_AT3W_Three_quarter.png

[Mungus]

I’ve had K02’s (agricultural) and D697’s (good initially but got noisy fast) but now on Falken Wildpeak ATW 285/60R18 LT and love them

Very minor rubbing when full lock in reverse right but AWESOME tyre quiet on road, perfect in sand and rock (12 and 22PSI respectively) but average in mud (to be expected as they’re an AT not MT)

Highly recommended

https://www.falkentire.com/sites/default/files/content/tires/tire-rotator-images/457x673_AT3W_Three_quarter.png

Hi Brian,
how many k’s have you done on the Falkens to compare noise with the D697’s and do you know if it’s the width or diameter that causes rubbing. I.e would 265/65R18 (2mm large OD than 285/60) still rub?

[Slunnie]

Compounds change very slightly, and tread designs vary slightly to enhance visual appeal more so than performance.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200611/3c78d60b64bdb76b4b90e635d950479d.plist


Thats true, the Pirelli ATR pictured, I imported and fitted these about 12 years ago on my D2 in 285/75-16 and they're not too far from done now. I recall Graeme fitting the same tyre in a low profile (relative) spec and the tread wore much much quicker, the pattern was slightly different and the tread depth not as deep. Our tyres were surprisingly different, I was happy and I didn't think Graeme was happy with his which included aquaplaning?? I find similarly with my Audi that has 21" rims, the tyres on that wear incredibly quickly and I think tyre life is about 1.5 years.

[Slunnie]

Other manufacturers can run OEM 18's with similar or more power,torque,etc,etc.

Infact, a mates late model V8TD Audi ran OEM 18's.Way more powerful than a D4,and pretty heavy.LC also comes to mind.

Brakes seem to be LR's excuse,but others get around it.Some blame TC,but the jury is out on that.

Correct,most LR's are sold for around town duties,but are still marketed as a heavy duty off road vehicle.

Although i wouldn't put new Defender in that category and it has 19" OEM wheels on some models.

LR havent always had the best brakes, in fact with 16's I don't think they're very good at all in terms of power or capacity. They've now got some of the best spec brakes in the business so you can be assured when towing your 3.5T caravan down through the various passes that you're brakes are as as solid as a rock. The other 4WD's, they may run smaller brakes, but they don't have same capacity as LandRover brakes. If you want to run smaller brakes I have heard of 2.7 TDV6 brakes being swapped in which allow 17's, a lot of other 4WD's run 17's these days.

[Slunnie]

Well I put 4 new Goodyear Wranger duratrac and at first look they look awesome https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/f25a560f8c8f5b5afa0758dfc23d83a5.jpg

I think you will find them to be as solid as a rock!

[John_D4]

I think you will find them to be as solid as a rock!

Solid as in great to drive with, or hard crappy tyres?

[Graeme]

The Duratracs will grip and steer well judging by my experience with LT245/70R17 although the 19" XL version doesn't have the strong sidewalls of the LT sizes so don't run them at low pressure around rocks, especially sharp ones!

[scarry]

LR havent always had the best brakes, in fact with 16's I don't think they're very good at all in terms of power or capacity. They've now got some of the best spec brakes in the business so you can be assured when towing your 3.5T caravan down through the various passes that you're brakes are as as solid as a rock. The other 4WD's, they may run smaller brakes, but they don't have same capacity as LandRover brakes. If you want to run smaller brakes I have heard of 2.7 TDV6 brakes being swapped in which allow 17's, a lot of other 4WD's run 17's these days.

Noting that the 2.7l D3/4 brakes are quite a bit smaller than what other brands use running 18's.

In fact taking 200 series as an example,the rotors on the VX and Sahara,running 18's, are 6mm less in diameter than the 3.0l D4,which i presume would be negligible.But i stand to be corrected.Caliper size and type,would also come into the equation no doubt.

I have found the brakes on my D4 to be fine,even towing 3.T,although the van has its own brakes,so i can't see how towing loads the brakes,if the whole rig is set up correctly,except in a fault situation.

[coopers1969]

Novelty wore off already ?

Nope just came back from a trip love them and the noise isnt bad at all. But I do have a roof rack and rear bar which make way more noise than the tires.

[coopers1969]

Are they LT255 55 19? Keen to hear what they’re like onroad and off-road

Yes that is what they are on road fantastic great grip in the wet have not been off road yet.

[Slunnie]

Solid as in great to drive with, or hard crappy tyres?

A great tyre.

[Slunnie]

Noting that the 2.7l D3/4 brakes are quite a bit smaller than what other brands use running 18's.

In fact taking 200 series as an example,the rotors on the VX and Sahara,running 18's, are 6mm less in diameter than the 3.0l D4,which i presume would be negligible.But i stand to be corrected.Caliper size and type,would also come into the equation no doubt.

I have found the brakes on my D4 to be fine,even towing 3.T,although the van has its own brakes,so i can't see how towing loads the brakes,if the whole rig is set up correctly,except in a fault situation.

Thats a really interesting point! I've been doing a lot of research into brakes for an upgrade on the Disco2. Caliper type does affect it and the more pistons the bigger the rotor you can run. Also the other big contributing factor is the offset of the rotor and caliper, with newer brakes sitting a long way outboard where the inside of the rim is smaller in diameter, but if you bring the assembly inboard a little bit the size of the rotor can be increased by a fair bit - I guess thats a size vs cooling thing.

[John_D4]

Yes that is what they are on road fantastic great grip in the wet have not been off road yet.

Are they noisy? I’m running 980’s atm and mostly drive with the windows up so I don’t notice the noise.

[BrianElloy]

Hi Brian,
how many k’s have you done on the Falkens to compare noise with the D697’s and do you know if it’s the width or diameter that causes rubbing. I.e would 265/65R18 (2mm large OD than 285/60) still rub?

Have only done about 5,000 kms in the Falken so you’re right they may end up noisy too

However from what I can recall the 697’s weren’t this quiet when they were new and I got rid of them at about 20,000 kms due primarily to the noise

The rub is caused by the OD not the width so 265/65 will def rub

[coopers1969]

Are they noisy? I’m running 980’s atm and mostly drive with the windows up so I don’t notice the noise.

I have not noticed them but I do have a kaymar rear wheel carrier and a roof rack which makes more noise, so I didn’t notice them on my first trip out.

[ramblingboy42]

I should add, I’ve run multitudes of rubber on work LVs.
Switched back to Duratrac on the current LV after having punctures every day.

Only had one in 60,000km on Duratrac

Very popular on the cattle stations north of you Mike.

[Celtoid]

Hankook dynapros gave me 80,000km with 5000km tread remaining. Tried Pirelli scorpions and got 25000km and down to carcass.

Pirelli don't offer km warranty. My tyre place pulled the pirelli contract and put another set of hankooks on.

My fuel efficiency picked up again. I tow 3.5 tonne a lot and do a lot of gravel roads. I live on a farm and drive a bit of snow and mud as well. Just my 2 cents. Mine are on 18 inch rims.

At 5000kms worth of tread remaining I find I start picking up screws etc on the road and get flats.

Hi Tommy,

Can I ask were the Scorpions the older design ATR or the relatively new AT Plus? I've had the AT Plus on my car for a while but they really haven't clocked many miles ... need to find the paperwork. Obviously concerned if they aren't going to last.

Cheers,

Kev.

[Celtoid]

I’ve put this question before on other threads but had little response. What pressures were you running and what speed were you travelling at when you damaged the tyre. I believe this is VERY relevant and needs to be considered before blaming the tyres.
I have run Cooper ST Maxx and Cooper AT3 on my old Ford Ranger and never a problem. Now I run Maxxis AT980 on my 19” rims and same story. In my view it’s all about pressure and speed in most cases.

David

I've had the same happen with the Goodyear tyres the D4 came with. After 40,000 klms they became very puncture prone with stones going straight between the tread block at normal pressure on graded roads. The unfortunate thing about air suspension is the fact that it can mask the fact that you are getting a flat tyre, and the wheel cuts straight through the sidewall once the pressure gets too low.

I was concerned that the ~40 PSI is too hi for gravel but I haven't had it happen with the Scorpion ATRs and AT Plus that I have run on my 19s and ... wait for it ... the LTZs I have run for ages on my 18" Compomotives.

[Barraman]

Hi Tommy,

Can I ask were the Scorpions the older design ATR or the relatively new AT Plus? I've had the AT Plus on my car for a while but they really haven't clocked many miles ... need to find the paperwork. Obviously concerned if they aren't going to last.
Cheers,
Kev.

Pirelli Scorpian AT Plus tyres are crap! Looks like I will only get about 80,000 km out of the set on my D4! [bigsmile]

[Tommy Armstrong]

Hi Kev.

They were the new at plus.

To say I was disappointed wouldn't cover it. I was gutted that I had to pay for another set of tyres and I paid for 6 pirellis as I have 2 spares and used them all.

6 tyres of any good brand aren't cheap.

Good luck with yours. Fingers crossed they last longer. Oh and I was using anywhere between 1 litre and 2 litres more per 100km with the pirellis than the hancooks. I'm now saving on fuel again.

[Moggymitch]

Just an FYI while looking on the net, there are specials on the Moab and Tuffant alloys which is starting to make the switch over to 18” tyres more financially appealing.

We have about 2 months to go on the current set of tyres and I am now seriously thinking about switching rims but will maybe have to make a price compromise of non LT tyres fitted if going down the 18” rim path but still fitting something with a load rating of around 114.

Cheers
Jonathan

[XXVDisco]

I've just purchased 6 of the Tuffant alloys in Black, the price was reasonable with the sale that is going on.

Delivery from Brisbane to Sydney was very quick and Natassia who I communicated with was very helpful.

Now the tyre choice, I think I have settled on the Radar RT+ in LT265/65 R18

[kblof]

I've just purchased 6 of the Tuffant alloys in Black, the price was reasonable with the sale that is going on.

Delivery from Brisbane to Sydney was very quick and Natassia who I communicated with was very helpful.

Now the tyre choice, I think I have settled on the Radar RT+ in LT265/65 R18

Awesome can you attach a pic once fitted?
I've just ordered 5 steelies from Natassia and also found her extremely helpful, i'm leaning to the Nitto Ridge Grapplers in LT265/65/18 @ $320 ea

[XXVDisco]

Awesome can you attach a pic once fitted?
I've just ordered 5 steelies from Natassia and also found her extremely helpful, i'm leaning to the Nitto Ridge Grapplers in LT265/65/18 @ $320 ea


Certainly will, kblof, probably about a month away from fitting to allow the wallet to get over the shock of the wheel purchase!

The Ridge Grapplers look good, they were my 2nd pick

[Ugbootshufler]

I am about to replace the very bland 100% bitumen smooth road based tyres on mine, and have decided either Toyo Open Country Plus 255/55R19 or (most likely) the Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10 255/55R19 as they have had very good reports on other threads here.

Had the Toyo's on another 4WD (Isuzu Mux) and they were very quiet and smooth, and also very good in the wet, but only did approx 12,000 klms so can't comment on their life.


Im running the Hankook Dynapro's, pretty happy with them. Pushing 50,000k's, on second rotation. 90% road use however the 10% off road has been in clay where I was impressed.

[Odysseyman]

Just an FYI while looking on the net, there are specials on the Moab and Tuffant alloys which is starting to make the switch over to 18” tyres more financially appealing.

We have about 2 months to go on the current set of tyres and I am now seriously thinking about switching rims but will maybe have to make a price compromise of non LT tyres fitted if going down the 18” rim path but still fitting something with a load rating of around 114.

Cheers
Jonathan

why would you buy the Tuffants

a) if you’re not doing gravel/off-road and
b) if you are doing gravel/off road then why not use LT tyres.

Surely a better compromise would be to fit LT tyres and not bother with the rims.

David

[ATH]

I'm going to do just and not go to 18s after all. Seems there's a bit more choice than I thought in 19" rim size. I was going to go for GGs but at the 390 bucks a tyre I saw yesterday I don't think so. :(
AlanH.

[Discodicky]

Nope just came back from a trip love them and the noise isnt bad at all. But I do have a roof rack and rear bar which make way more noise than the tires.

How are the new Duratracs going?
Are they very noisy?
OK in the wet?

thanks,

[Greg4427]

Hi, I’ve ordered 5 steelies through Tuffant and plan to fit 265/60/18’s with Mickey Thompson Deegan 38 LT. There is a hold up on the Tuffant’s at the moment with them arriving possibly late September or more likely early October. Hope my present Wranglers can hold on lol 😂.

[coopers1969]

How are the new Duratracs going?
Are they very noisy?
OK in the wet?

thanks,

Very very happy with them. In the wet great I feel the ride is better as well. Though they are noisier than the coopers. But can live with that as we have a snorkel and roof rack so there is already a bit of wind noise.
Very happy after 8000km.
Would recommend.