Tyre pliers for D4 tyre removal?

[John_D4]

Will these remove tyres from the standard 19” D4 rims?

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I know it’ll be difficult, but will it work? I’m not interested in speed as I’m not a professional.

[scarry]

Give it a go and let us know.

From experience,i recon you will be struggling.

[josh.huber]

I did a course with Gordon from GOE.. He told us you'll never break the bread on a genuine rim or a compo. He said the compos followed the genuine design for the bead and that's why they don't roll Off. If I remember correctly. I also remember him saying he tried but failed

[John_D4]

I did a course with Gordon from GOE.. He told us you'll never break the bread on a genuine rim or a compo. He said the compos followed the genuine design for the bead and that's why they don't roll Off. If I remember correctly. I also remember him saying he tried but failed

Right. Looks like I’ll continue to take a 2nd spare instead of the changing stuff. I do have patching stuff with my compressor

[OldGuy]

I have used tyre pliers for many years and they have proven to be the best for me. Including home made options and others. However with a set of "Tuffants" waiting for tyres I have noticed the inside bead is quite wide, so will have to report back..

[John_D4]

Is it worth spending $80 on or is a 2nd spare better?

[OldGuy]

I guess it comes down to weight.. Mind you I am seriously considering carrying a complete second spare these days🙄

[Blknight.aus]

yes, but theres a bit of an art to it, many swear words chocks of plastic/wood and tape to protect the rim.

I also suggest some cheater tubes to extend the handles for the jaws.

[p38arover]

I think you will find that breaking the bead is nigh impossible with tyre pliers.

The P38A uses an AH2 profile (I assume the D4 may be the same - but it could be EH2) and one has to break the bead in the correct spot - I think it's opposite the valve stem

[scarry]

I guess it comes down to weight.. Mind you I am seriously considering carrying a complete second spare these days🙄

It also comes down to what tyres you are running,and their condition.

I have given up taking a second spare except in extremely remote areas,then its a carcase only,thinking the local place can swap them over if needed.i always carry an air compresser and plugs,though.

Haven't changed or had to plug a tyre in almost 20yrs,thats on the D2's,and the D4.Helped others do it numerous times.

I also replace my tyres long before they are completely worn out,which helps.

Luck does take a part so no doubt one day it,and Murphy will catch up.[bigsad][biggrin]

[John_D4]

It also comes down to what tyres you are running,and their condition.

I have given up taking a second spare except in extremely remote areas,then its a carcase only,thinking the local place can swap them over if needed.i always carry an air compresser and plugs,though.

Haven't changed or had to plug a tyre in almost 20yrs,thats on the D2's,and the D4.Helped others do it numerous times.

I also replace my tyres long before they are completely worn out,which helps.

Luck does take a part so no doubt one day it,and Murphy will catch up.[bigsad][biggrin]

Agreed. I also buy good tyres and change them when they need to be changed. For the sake of piece of mind, I might just throw the 2nd spare in. Going to the painted desert later this week and I saw the ad for the tyres pliers on Facebook marketplace.

[Tombie]

Painted Desert is like a sealed road most of the time. [emoji41]

I did thousands (really) of kilometres in that region and never had a puncture.

Just keep your eyes out, slow down and lower pressures a little and you should be fine.

[rocket rod]

I tried tyre plyers, jacking down on the tyre from the Mitch Hitch and running the car onto the tyre in my front driveway before a bit remote trip.

I took two complete spares!

[John_D4]

I tried tyre plyers, jacking down on the tyre from the Mitch Hitch and running the car onto the tyre in my front driveway before a bit remote trip.

I took two complete spares!

Lol. That’s the conclusion I came up with too

[Blknight.aus]

whose got a D4 rim they dont mind getting a bit scratched in N melb?

[INter674]

Lr rims are renowned a tyre centres..the blokes always look away when you drive in.

I've used a 10 ton tractor FEL to break the bead and yes the front wheels of the tractor are off the ground b 4 it lets go.

Tyre pliers....na😞

[DieselLSE]

This topic is an eye opener for me. I smugly decided not to carry a second spare wheel (due to weight), but to just take a spare tyre and a set of heavy duty bead breakers on any extended remote trip. Never got around to testing them. But I'm worried now. We need an AULRO testing lab!

[DieselLSE]

What do think of this? BeadBuster XB-550 Heavy Duty Tractor Tire & OTR Bead Breaker Tool (https://beadbuster.com/product/beadbuster-xb-550-hd/)

[Tombie]

I found if the tyres were on a long time it’s even harder.
Have them popped and refitted (soap) before leaving and it will be much easier next time.

A good TPMS, plug set and a carcass is usually enough.

Plug to get to a service centre, replace at service centre (no waiting for carcass).

[DieselLSE]

I found if the tyres were on a long time it’s even harder.
Have them popped and refitted (soap) before leaving and it will be much easier next time.

A good TPMS, plug set and a carcass is usually enough.

Plug to get to a service centre, replace at service centre (no waiting for carcass).
I keep forgetting that things have changed since the 1970's! That's good advice, Tombie. No need to carry every tool known to man and every part that could go wrong. TPMS's are brilliant and relatively inexpensive. Tyre plug kits are everywhere now and really cheap and easy to use. (Remember vulcanising patches?!). A tyre is relatively light and can be safely stored on the roof. Just carry a normal spare wheel and a suitable compressor. And a good jack, dammit.

[banjoship]

What do think of this? BeadBuster XB-550 Heavy Duty Tractor Tire & OTR Bead Breaker Tool (https://beadbuster.com/product/beadbuster-xb-550-hd/)

I used one of these for years on the farm, BEAD-CHEATA MK II (BEAD BUSTER TOOL) - Online Tyre Store - Tractor, Truck, Turf, Forklift & More! (https://www.bigtyres.co.uk/bead-cheata-mkii-bead-buster.html) . They work fine on split rims and heavy duty single rims. Not sure on alloy singles, might damage the rim, perhaps. I still have mine in storage, have not got around to trying on my disco rims. The bead-cheata is sold by australian distributors, bought mine at a field days, 30 years ago.

Lee

[Graeme]

I used a bead-breaker on a D2 16" rim, Tyre Pliers IIRC for which a special foot was used for the LR rims where the bead is absent at the valve. It wasn't my tool nor my rim, instead the tool owner's rim, carried as a group tool on a cross-country desert trip. However I don't know if the tool is useful for D4 19" rims.

[Blknight.aus]

This topic is an eye opener for me. I smugly decided not to carry a second spare wheel (due to weight), but to just take a spare tyre and a set of heavy duty bead breakers on any extended remote trip. Never got around to testing them. But I'm worried now. We need an AULRO testing lab!


whose got a D4 rim they dont mind getting a bit scratched in N melb?
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[chw]

yes, but theres a bit of an art to it, many swear words chocks of plastic/wood and tape to protect the rim.

I also suggest some cheater tubes to extend the handles for the jaws.


I've used these to remove a tyre from my previous D2a rim.
Safari 4X4 Store R&R Beadbreaker Official Site - Safari 4x4 store R&R Beadbreaker (http://safari4x4store.com.au/)

Because we were camped for a couple of days I thought, 'why not give it a go, I've got a couple of hours'. I agree completely with Dave's comments about swear words, frustration, protection of the rim edges ... and time, not to mention getting the tyre to re-seat (I failed) despite lots of soap to lubricate the process. Luckily we were camped on the edge of a beautiful waterhole, under shade, so the opportunity to go for a walk to calm down was invaluable.

If you decide to go with this option make sure you let them know that your dealing with a Land Rover as you'll need to purchase their Hub adapter so you can get the angles correct on the rim to successfully break the bead. The Beadbreaker also works to refit the tyre without needing to use mallets etc.

As others have said, the issue is LRs design of the low pressure safety bead. It works really well in keeping the tyre on the rim at reduced pressures, but makes remote tyre changing a real pain. Back in Alice Springs the local tyre agent rolled his eyes at the site of being asked to re-seat another LR tyre on the rim. It finally 'popped' at 90psi, not something you want to be standing next to under OHS standards. Based on my experience you need an equally high volume/flow compressor if you want to maximise the chances of getting the tyre to re-seat in the field.

I've changed to 17" rims (2.7 TDV6 D4) and carry a complete spare but still carry the tyre changer 'just in case'.

Hope this helps
Craig

[Graeme]

To seat the beads, fit a ratchet strap or hand winch cable around the tread of the tyre to pull the tread inwards which pushes the beads outwards and remove the valve insert to allow faster airflow, after having dropped the wheel heavily on its back to start the rear seal.

[ATH]

I've only just remembered buying a bead breaker kit many moons ago and sticking it in the shed amongst all my junk and forgot it until now. :( Getting old I suppose. I'm going to take it with on our next trip just in case.... and I do remember putting a ratchet strap in to squeeze it a bit to make bead seating easier.
So the memory is not that bad. :)
AlanH.

[DieselLSE]

So the memory is not that bad. :)
AlanH.
If I could only just remember where the shed is...

[chw]

To seat the beads, fit a ratchet strap or hand winch cable around the tread of the tyre to pull the tread inwards which pushes the beads outwards and remove the valve insert to allow faster airflow, after having dropped the wheel heavily on its back to start the rear seal.

Thanks Graeme,
valuable additional points. In my case I had removed the valve centre and tried using a ratchet strap to 'squeeze' the tyre sidewalls out to assist in the seating of the bead, but stopped when the tyre pressure gauge on my compressor exceeded 70 psi. Yep the thought of the strap letting go did worry me.

I will admit to not trying your 'drop suggestion' although there were times ... [biggrin]

The temp of the day may not have helped as I'm sure the soap/water solution was drying not long it was applied. I've subsequently read suggestions of people using a small bottle pump spray to help keep the soap solution wet without getting your fingers 'too close to the action'. Seems like a good idea as well and probably worth thinking about.

Craig

[OldGuy]

Have been following this with interest. While the discovery rims seem fraught with challenges, has anyone any experiences with Tuffant wheels? I have a set that I plan to use on our outback travels..

[RANDLOVER]

I keep forgetting that things have changed since the 1970's! That's good advice, Tombie. No need to carry every tool known to man and every part that could go wrong. TPMS's are brilliant and relatively inexpensive. Tyre plug kits are everywhere now and really cheap and easy to use. (Remember vulcanising patches?!). A tyre is relatively light and can be safely stored on the roof. Just carry a normal spare wheel and a suitable compressor. And a good jack, dammit.

And remember if the hole is big, you can put more than one plug in.

[Graeme]

The temp of the day may not have helped as I'm sure the soap/water solution was drying not long it was applied.Use liquid soap neat - dish-washing detergent or non-abrasive hand cleaner.
Also a hose can be connected between the tyre to be inflated and another fully-inflated tyre with its valve core removed to supply air quickly for quite a while, which also allows the un-inflated tyre to be moved about to get a seal. Have a spare valve core though for the donor tyre!

[sharmy]

I have used an R&R bead breaker a number of times on various vehicles including a Disco 3 and it works a treat,however re-seating the disco tyre was impossible (used ratchet strap,bounced,hit with heavy hammer,swore ) until ,with much care poured a very little bit of petrol into the rim and lit with a bit of lighted paper-BOOM-tyre re-seated.The guy who showed us the method said it worked much better (safer if that's possible ) with aero start or similar. I only use this method if absolute necessary.