Pumping AdBlue

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Has anyone had success pumping AdBlue into their Sd6? I had to pour 15 litres in via a funnel in Lightning Ridge and it was hell holding the 15 litre container up for what felt like hours, slowly dribbling the AdBlue into the funnel.

I was wondering if a 4 litre per minute water pump might work, one like:


High Quality 12V Water Pump 4.0Lpm Self-Priming Caravan Camping Boat Au Stock | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/High-Quality-12V-Water-Pump-4-0Lpm-Self-Priming-Caravan-Camping-Boat-Au-Stock-/161905121557)

Any thoughts/suggestions, please?

Cheers
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[Graeme]

I used one of those to extract engine oil yesterday. It wasn't very quick, pumping a lot less than 4L per minute but it was sucking oil from the sump via a small tube. How does ad-blue thickness compare with engine oil?

[WhiteD3]

For my SD4 is have 4 x 1.89L bottles which I fill from a 10L and then fill the car. Laborious method and a ridiculous design but I've tried the 10L slow pour method and made a hell of a mess.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

a "just as important" question if I may,,,

Lightening Ridge does have adblu then?

[donh54]

a "just as important" question if I may,,,

Lightening Ridge does have adblu then?Caltex had adblue pumps, and takeaway containers last time I was there.

[Blknight.aus]

last time I got roped into this stuff...

I used
SCA Siphon Pump - 1.8m X 6mm | Supercheap Auto (https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/sca-sca-siphon-pump---1.8m-x-6mm/557068.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwo6D4BRDgARIsAA6uN18OR0eP iTTd8c1dndXsUM87uk8QiVRU8a9XRrqy49RzVP7XqY7up4oaAt 8UEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
one of them

pre pour the required amount into a container (or make a calibrated stick that you can zip tie the end of the hose to a certain depth so it runs out of fluid at the right quantity) stick it on a shelf, start the syphon and walk away.

[Numb Thumbs]

Thanks for the replies.

Pedro_the_Swift: I bought a 15 litre drum in Walgett in the third place I tried...

I kept the container and I will fill it from a bowser when I get the chance - not at the moment in lockdown...

In the bush - and it is always in the bush! - the problem is holding the heavy container higher than the inlet so I will go with a pump. I bought a pump from eBay and it seized after a few minutes pumping water. AdBlue is basically water with a bit of urea added as far as I can tell. Side question - how does the car know it is AdBlue and not just plain water?????

I have ordered one of these to try next:

Electric Pipe Pump Fuel Siphon Oil Water Fishbowl Petrol Liquid Hand Transfer | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/264737894658)

It claims to be for water. I may need to extend the outlet hose a little to get it into the filler - either that or extend the inlet, depending on how high it can lift the fluid.

Ah, the fun never stops, does it?

Cheers
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[greg-g]

I have 2 x 1.89l bottles and a 15l water container that I refill at the local Caltex.
It’s not really much of a hassle when I only refill twice a year

[Blknight.aus]

In the bush - and it is always in the bush! - the problem is holding the heavy container higher than the inlet so I will go with a pump.


rope over tree, tie to drum handle, rope down from tree through handle pull up (3:1 reduction from a 2:1 rigged to advantage) lift to desired height and half hitch it, done.



AdBlue is basically water with a bit of urea added as far as I can tell. Side question - how does the car know it is AdBlue and not just plain water?????


urea at about 33% concentration


theres three methods of sensing I know of, the first is an optical density tester, the second is about equivelent to a hygrometer and the third is conductivity based.


edited out the extra 33%.

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Ah, why didn't I think of looking for a tree?

Thanks for that...

Cheers
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[Bohica]

rope over tree, tie to drum handle, rope down from tree through handle pull up (3:1 reduction from a 2:1 rigged to advantage) lift to desired height and half hitch it, done.



urea at about 33% concentration


theres three methods of sensing I know of, the first is an optical density tester, the second is about equivelent to a hygrometer and the third is conductivity based.


edited out the extra 33%.

4th method, smell, 5th method taste.

[Blknight.aus]

4th method, smell, 5th method taste.

Mr Grylls, is that you?

[Grumbles]

I know nothing about Adblue so......is it expensive?....what is the rate of consumption 'x' per 100 kms or is it so little that 'X' per 1000kms is a more realistic measure?

I get the impression that from a user position that Adblue might be less of an overall hassle than having a DPF which requires frequent long drives at its convenience.

[Bohica]

The max concentration of urea in human urine is about 2.3%. Not an easy thing to drink. Unless you are drinking lots of water/beer then the concentration of urea drops to almost nothing.

[Blknight.aus]

I know nothing about Adblue so......is it expensive?....what is the rate of consumption 'x' per 100 kms or is it so little that 'X' per 1000kms is a more realistic measure?

I get the impression that from a user position that Adblue might be less of an overall hassle than having a DPF which requires frequent long drives at its convenience.

its moderately cheap for what it is, X per 1000 is a reasonable indication in some vehicles its set up so in theory you only have to fill it up when you service the vehicle.

like DPF its fine until something goes wrong. If you run out of adblue you get a derated engine but it re-rates once the adblue is topped up again (usually) Unlike DPF most failures dont wind up with a clogged exhaust and a mechanical limitation VS an electronic one.

[WhiteD3]

I know nothing about Adblue so......is it expensive?....what is the rate of consumption 'x' per 100 kms or is it so little that 'X' per 1000kms is a more realistic measure?

I get the impression that from a user position that Adblue might be less of an overall hassle than having a DPF which requires frequent long drives at its convenience.

~$40 for 10L and my SD4 does ~ 500k per litre. The only thing I find annoying about the process is the time it takes to fill the tank given the minuscule fill pipe to the tank. 10L take me say 15 minutes.

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Consumption varies a lot, depending upon what you are doing. Gentle highway cruising uses very little, but towing something heavy and working the engine will use a lot.

I used 14 litres in 7,000 kms of "normal' driving with 1400 kms of towing 1400 kgs. Then I put 15 litres in - not sure if I filled it up - after 2,500 kms of towing around 1800 kgs.

So, 2 litres per 1000 kms for the first instance, then at least 6 litres per 1000 kms for the second. Hence my need for a way of pumping AdBlue into the tank in the bush.

Cheers
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[chuck]

My wifes Passat Alltrack has a fill point next to the fuel filler.

Fill up with Adblue from the truck points - much more sensible and far cheaper

[IndusD4]

Then I put 15 litres in - not sure if I filled it up - after 2,500 kms of towing around 1800 kgs.

I've noticed that too, when towing the Adblue use seems to go up exponentially. My van weighs about 2,000kg.

Ron

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And I was driving very conservatively - around 95 on the bitumen and 70 on the dirt, virtually no overtaking on the really quiet roads. I reckon I need a long range AdBlue tank...

Cheers
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[akovach]

If it's anything like a TD6 D5, it is a pain, even with an electric pump. For some reason they get air locks. So it's a slower than necessary process.

[scarry]

Do all vehicles have this issue adding add blue,or is it just LR’s?

[IndusD4]

No idea, all other cars in our household run on petrol.

Ron

[Blknight.aus]

just a side thought,,,

have you thought about feeding a bottom fill line into the adblue tank?

I'd have thought an 8mm section of truck air line fed into the filler and left in place so you could just clip it onto a small pump would eliminate the issue of it air locking. alternatively use it as an air purge line so you can just dump the adblue in at a faster rate and the air will come out.

[scarry]

just a side thought,,,

have you thought about feeding a bottom fill line into the adblue tank?

I'd have thought an 8mm section of truck air line fed into the filler and left in place so you could just clip it onto a small pump would eliminate the issue of it air locking. alternatively use it as an air purge line so you can just dump the adblue in at a faster rate and the air will come out.

But why is it designed to be so difficult?

Cant it just be the same as filling washer fluid,brake fluid,clutch fluid,power steering fluid?

[Bohica]

But why is it designed to be so difficult?

Cant it just be the same as filling washer fluid,brake fluid,clutch fluid,power steering fluid?
It is designed so that you buy the LR Adblue. The expensive Adblue.

[donh54]

It is designed so that you buy the LR Adblue. The expensive Adblue.Or give up in disgust and take it to the dealers!

[Numb Thumbs]

just a side thought,,,

have you thought about feeding a bottom fill line into the adblue tank?

I'd have thought an 8mm section of truck air line fed into the filler and left in place so you could just clip it onto a small pump would eliminate the issue of it air locking. alternatively use it as an air purge line so you can just dump the adblue in at a faster rate and the air will come out.

Has anyone tried to poke a thin tube down the filler? Might have to give it a go...

Cheers
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[scarry]

It is designed so that you buy the LR Adblue. The expensive Adblue.

FFS,would LR be that stupid?

If so they seem to be getting worse as time goes on.

[Homestar]

FFS,would LR be that stupid?

If so they seem to be getting worse as time goes on.

Of course they would be - it’s exactly the sort of thing LR would do. Given by what I’ve read here, it seems like a complete **** up and even if I had the money to buy one (that’s never going to be an issue) this would be a deal breaker. Feel for those that have to faff around like this to make their vehicles keep going - LR need a kick in the head for this one.

[Homestar]

Do all vehicles have this issue adding add blue,or is it just LR’s?

Not got a car that needs it, but it’s an easy job on trucks and tractors, just think it’s LR that made it difficult.

[WhiteD3]

Excuse me if this is explained elsewhere but................can you fill a D5 at the Adblue pump at the servo?

[Blknight.aus]

Not got a car that needs it, but it’s an easy job on trucks and tractors, just think it’s LR that made it difficult.

Its not just lr.....

[ramblingboy42]

why is it called adblue? is it blue? blue horse****? where do they get it in commercial quantity?

so **** makes your engine run better?

if you run out of adblue out bush can you skull a couple of beers then **** into your adblue tank to keep going?

I'd never thought about this adblue before

[Bohica]

why is it called adblue? is it blue? blue horse****? where do they get it in commercial quantity?

so **** makes your engine run better?

if you run out of adblue out bush can you skull a couple of beers then **** into your adblue tank to keep going?

I'd never thought about this adblue before

Yes, I guess that the system would register the fluid. You'd be better just putting in de mineralised or distilled water. The other bits in urine may cause problems. Like sugar and protiens and salts.

[Homestar]

why is it called adblue? is it blue? blue horse****? where do they get it in commercial quantity?

so **** makes your engine run better?

if you run out of adblue out bush can you skull a couple of beers then **** into your adblue tank to keep going?

I'd never thought about this adblue before

No idea why it’s called Adblue here - probably because it is mostly a blueish sort of colour but I’ve seen greenish stuff too, as well as clear. Most places around the world just call it for what it is - DEF - Diesel Exhaust Fluid.

[Graeme]

Here's a link to an informative article by Robert Pepper who was a member here when he owned a D3.

All About AdBlue, Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) and Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) | Practical Motoring (https://practicalmotoring.com.au/4x4/all-about-adblue-diesel-exhaust-fluid-and-selective-catalytic-reduction-scr/)

[IndusD4]

Excuse me if this is explained elsewhere but................can you fill a D5 at the Adblue pump at the servo?

Yes you can, but I've never done it as I get the dealer to top it up with the expensive stuff :)

Ron

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And you will need a funnel and lots of patience... It will only accept a very slow flow because of airlocks in the line. You can get one of the 2 litre bottles from Land Rover, cut off the bottom and use it as a funnel. This may speed up the process.

Cheers
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[IndusD4]

I should have a look tomorrow but thought there was a white funnel in the dashboard locker, came with the car.

Ron

[Numb Thumbs]

That is actually for pouring fuel into the fuel tank from a jerry can or similar as far as I know. It has a tiny cone and would not be much use for AdBlue.

Cheers
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[WhiteD3]

I tried the funnel at home once. Not good.

I'll stick with the refilled LR bottles at home.


And you will need a funnel and lots of patience... It will only accept a very slow flow because of airlocks in the line. You can get one of the 2 litre bottles from Land Rover, cut off the bottom and use it as a funnel. This may speed up the process.

Cheers
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[Tombie]

Yes, I guess that the system would register the fluid. You'd be better just putting in de mineralised or distilled water. The other bits in urine may cause problems. Like sugar and protiens and salts.

Wont work. Vehicle checks and if it isnt Adblue, it doesnt work.

[Numb Thumbs]

I got my battery powered pump. It is the same as a cheap hand squeezed syphon pump, but with a small impeller pump powered by two D size batteries. Maybe I can adapt it to use an 18650 lithium cell... Now I need to find some suitable hose to extend the outlet. Hopefully it will be slow enough. I don't have any AdBlue here at the moment to test it - damn lockdown.

Cheers
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EDIT: Well, a bit Heath Robinson, but I have come up with a way to run it off lithium 18650 cells, which I use for head torches and torches so I have a few extras with me on trips. Now for the hose...

[donh54]

why is it called adblue? is it blue? blue horse****? where do they get it in commercial quantity?

so **** makes your engine run better?

if you run out of adblue out bush can you skull a couple of beers then **** into your adblue tank to keep going?

I'd never thought about this adblue beforeYou can buy it in (I think) 10 or 20 litre containers at most truckstops.
You can also buy in 1000 litre IBC's from fuel depots.
I used to drive for a bloke who got us to put 20 or 30 litres of tap water into the tank on the way back from Melbourne, to get to the yard where he had his bulk supply.
AFAIK most vehicles don't analyse it, just if it runs out they go into limp mode.
Depending who you talk to, it's either 30 or 33% urea/water mix.
Doesn't make your engine run better, just cleans the NOx out of the exhaust gases (apparently).