Defender Vs G Wagon (Turn on subtitles)

[Milton477]

Not sure if this has been posted already....

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KL8eWzx-8o)Electronic traction control vs Mechanical diff locks. The difference is clearly demonstrated in this spanish (I think) video. Just turn on subtitles to see what he is saying.

Comparativa 4x4 !al limite!: Land Rover Defender vs Mercedes Clase G | Prueba off road | Diariomotor - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KL8eWzx-8o)

[dirvine]

I agree that the mechanical lockers look to work better. However, driving through the brakes in a LR makes it a lot easier than relying on the electronic lag to take over and reduce wheel spin. So to an inexperienced person, the G Wagon would appear to be doing it better. For ride, comfort and all the other bits I would have a LR anyday, and they are bloody cheaper too!!

[101RRS]

If you are going to compare against diff locks then why not just specifiy a diff lock in the Defender?

Remember traction control is just a mod of systems already in an ABS car - software not hardware so cost is virtually nothing for enhanced ability over normal open diffs.

Garry

[rick130]

Was posted in one of the new Deefer threads. [emoji12]

[rick130]

If you are going to compare against diff locks then why not just specifiy a diff lock in the Defender?

Remember traction control is just a mod of systems already in an ABS car - software not hardware so cost is virtually nothing for enhanced ability over normal open diffs.

GarryBecause the G comes stock with diff locks, and they couldn't get the rear diff lock version of the Defender for that test.

[101RRS]

Because the G comes stock with diff locks, and they couldn't get the rear diff lock version of the Defender for that test.

Then that aspect of the test is not really valid.

[Milton477]

Was posted in one of the new Deefer threads. [emoji12]

Just checking who is awake. [thumbsupbig]

Hadn't seen it, must have been asleep.

[ChookD2]

Not really comparing apples with apples, is it.

[rick130]

Then that aspect of the test is not really valid.But the G had HT tyres and the Deefer had BFG AT's, so an advantage in tyres.

All valid IMO as they were tested as you can buy off the showroom floor at a certain spec level.

[Milton477]

I found that the video clearly illustrated the difference between a fully locked vehicle & one with electronic traction control only. The fact that it was Defender vs a G Wagon was irrelevant when comparing the 2 4wd systems. Two different driving styles, one tightly controlled & the other a bit chaotic.

If you were to buy a Defender, would you option a rear locker after seeing the video?

[Graeme]

If you were to buy a Defender, why wouldn't you specify the rear e-diff regardless of having seen the video or not?

[rick130]

If you were to buy a Defender, why wouldn't you specify the rear e-diff regardless of having seen the video or not?You or I would but the vast majority won't.

They just wouldn't be interested or care.

[Graeme]

I can understand that attitude for probably most RR and RRS buyers and a lot of D4/D5 buyers but can't fathom why someone would buy a Defender without it unless the person doesn't have an appreciation of the benefit.

[101RRS]

I agree - but then how many people have put in ARB lockers in the front and rear of their D3/D4 - very few on here as most think the extra capability over standard TC is not worth it.

Garry

[chuck]

There is another reason and that is cost.

Not i don't mean the cost of the e locker but the cost of the car.

The D5 HSE i bought was a MY19 stock car & the dealer wanted to get it sold.

It was nearly $30k less than if i had ordered the same car in which would have been MY20 by the time it arrived.

[scarry]

There is another reason and that is cost.

Not i don't mean the cost of the e locker but the cost of the car.

The D5 HSE i bought was a MY19 stock car & the dealer wanted to get it sold.

It was nearly $30k less than if i had ordered the same car in which would have been MY20 by the time it arrived.

That is a good reason,but for those that are ordering a vehicle,what is $1K in the whole scheme of things?

Bugga all,if the vehicle is going to be used off road.

[BushBandicoot]

I’ve just taken delivery of a Defender 2020 1st edition with the factory “Electronic Active Differential with Torque Vectoring by Braking” which was about an extra grand. However I can find very little on how it works. LR has put info out there on what it does but not how it does it. What is different mechanically about this $1k option compared to the standard e-diff? It is claimed to be an active rather than passive/reactive “diff” like pure electronic traction control but just how does it work?

[ramblingboy42]

kinda flummoxes me when you pay for an accessory but don't know how to use it.......

[101RRS]

All the systems on the new Defender are just an evolution of systems introduced in the D3 in 2004 - the e-diff in the new Defender is just an update of the optional e-diff in the D3 works the same basic way just better [thumbsupbig].

[DieselLSE]

I agree - but then how many people have put in ARB lockers in the front and rear of their D3/D4 - very few on here as most think the extra capability over standard TC is not worth it.

Garry
I would, but they're not available for the D4.

[101RRS]

The ARB locker fits in the D4 front as is, and for the rear the D3 diff will fit in the D4 rear diff housing. So to put in an ARB locker in the rear, swap out the D4 diff for a D3 diff and then put the D3 ARB locker in.

[BushBandicoot]

kinda flummoxes me when you pay for an accessory but don't know how to use it.......

This is what I know from LR
“By monitoring vehicle and terrain characteristics, the Active Rear Locking differential can be constantly adjusted through an computer controlled actuator mounted on the differential, ensuring power is transmitted to the wheels with most available grip. This provides improved cornering stability on road and refined traction, with limited wheelslip, off road.
The Torque Vectoring system when combined with the Dynamic Active Rear Locking Differential delivers responsive, controlled cornering and handling through even the tightest of bends. The electronic differential and vehicle’s brake system constantly balance the distribution of engine torque between the four wheels when cornering. The system is also active in off-road conditions using the relevant Terrain Response settings. It can be very effective in conditions such as sand, where it helps the vehicle turn in and avoid excessive understeer.

This system enhances the vehicle’s agility and stability when cornering. It constantly monitors and balances the distribution of torque between all wheels to improve grip and steering whether on or off-road. The system can also increase the rate of turn and reduce understeer by applying the brake on the inside rear wheel, forcing more torque to the outer wheel, thereby aiding stability.”

So this much I know. I’m actually after someone who knows how this system works...if you do, I’d be happy to hear what you have to say.

[gofish]

I'll wait for the Ineos Grenadier....somewhere between a G & 110 [wink11]