Rossco. 1953 80inch 2L

[whitehillbilly64]

Good morning.
After parked 38 years ago, Dug out and loaded.
Off to new home.

whitehillbilly

[JDNSW]

Going to have a bit of work there! Looking forward to more pictures.

[1950landy]

From what I can see in the photo's ,At least the panels look straight, which is a good start. :thumbsup:

[whitehillbilly64]

Hi.
Yes the panels are straight. Need RH door.
Rust in chassis is about a half less than Gilberts.
Fire wall steel nice and thick, so I can weld it with my inverter stick..

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Good morning.
Found Engine No. 52/53 ?
Found 53 on the radiator ' brass button'
Bulkhead plate.
Cannot locate chassis number, on chassis ? LH engine mount ? LH/RH rear spring hanger ?
What is the location of the Axle numbers ?
Looking for gearbox no today.
Thanks.

whitehillbilly

[1950landy]

From memory it is on the top of the long side of the axel housings. Normally if the date on the radiator plate or any of the electrical parts is say 1/53 the vehicle was built approx 1 to 2 months after that date. I have a chart here some were that shows were all the stamps are , if I can find it I will post it.

Did not find it but the number should be stamped where the blue is marked on this photo. 163514 I will keep looking for the flyer I used to send out to S1 owners when I was collecting vehicle details for the Qld Rover Club LR register. I have checked your number & it is not in the register. The club stopped collecting this info back in around 2000 when I left the club for a couple of years ,so I have not sent any of the forms out since then. The club used to send one of these sheets out to new members of Rover vehicles so they could locate the numbers on the respective parts, they no longer require that.
The idea of collecting this info was so if a vehicle was ever stolen they would send all the numbers to all the other AU Rover Clubs so if the parts were offered for sale they may be able to track who stole the vehicle.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good afternoon.
Took some pics of the steering box.
I believe top part is S1, shaft, housing and steering wheel.with a cross shaft welded across the bottom of the spline. It sits very high in the cab, and you can see the hightbit should sit at.
A rubber coupling bolted to a bottom steering box of unknown origin, ans fitted to a very rough bracket system.
Any ideas.
Thanks.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Few more.
Thanks

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Evening.
Rossco is missing the two oval plates.
One on the rear, LH side of the tub. The other holds the top of the grille panel ????
Being a 53 80inch CKD model, what would be written on the plate, below the LAND ROVER ????
Some have Rover Australia written below it. Seen a few different ones.
What would be correct.
Thanks.

whitehillbilly

[Larry]

Not sure if it's period correct, but my '51 (also CKD) has Birmingham, England.

[russellrovers]

Hi.
Yes the panels are straight. Need RH door.
Rust in chassis is about a half less than Gilberts.
Fire wall steel nice and thick, so I can weld it with my inverter stick..

whitehillbillyi have a new right hand door as new

[whitehillbilly64]

A new door wouldn't suit Rossco,
As he has sat up on Springbrook Mountain since the early 70's.

whitehillbilly

[5380]

Good morning.<br>
Found Engine No. 52/53 ?<br>
Found 53 on the radiator ' brass button'<br>
Bulkhead plate.<br>
Cannot locate chassis number, on chassis ? LH engine mount ? LH/RH rear spring hanger ?<br>
What is the location of the Axle numbers ?<br>
Looking for gearbox no today.<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
whitehillbilly<br><br>

The chassis number should be the same as the one on the aluminium bulkhead plate unless there has been a bit of a mix and match in the past. If you look hard at the triangular plate on the LH front engine mount welded onto the chassis, you should see the engine number starting with the same 3666 model code stamped along the longer face of the triangle. This code indicates that this is a 1953 model year (Mostly August '52 to end of July "53 in UK , April to April on the early 80") RHD , export, CKD. The CKD flat pack took a few months to get to Brisbane by slow boat and then had to be assembled, tested and sent to the selling dealer.The last 4 numbers tell us that Rossco is the 1,270th RHD export CKD '53 model year produced My '53, (the 1575th) was actually delivered to its first owner on 31/08/1953, a month after the 1954 86" models were released onto the UK market. You are correct, the round disc on your radiator IS the date of manufacture. Usually, the first number is the month, then a capital "M" indicating month and then the year. From memory mine is 3M53 = 3rd month 1953. All the Lucas parts still fitted will have a date stamp as well (1152 = Nov 1952 etc.) Most of the dated bits on mine are around March '53 and the carbie is late '52, so if Rossco's parts haven't been swapped over, they will probably be similar to mine.
Rossco has had a tough time and will keep you occupied for a while! Have fun! 5380

[5380]

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The chassis number should be the same as the one on the aluminium bulkhead plate unless there has been a bit of a mix and match in the past. If you look hard at the triangular plate on the LH front engine mount welded onto the chassis, you should see the engine number starting with the same 3666 model code stamped along the longer face of the triangle. This code indicates that this is a 1953 model year (Mostly August '52 to end of July "53 in UK , April to April on the early 80") RHD , export, CKD. The CKD flat pack took a few months to get to Brisbane by slow boat and then had to be assembled, tested and sent to the selling dealer.The last 4 numbers tell us that Rossco is the 1,270th RHD export CKD '53 model year produced My '53, (the 1575th) was actually delivered to its first owner on 31/08/1953, a month after the 1954 86" models were released onto the UK market. You are correct, the round disc on your radiator IS the date of manufacture. Usually, the first number is the month, then a capital "M" indicating month and then the year. From memory mine is 3M53 = 3rd month 1953. All the Lucas parts still fitted will have a date stamp as well (1152 = Nov 1952 etc.) Most of the dated bits on mine are around March '53 and the carbie is late '52, so if Rossco's parts haven't been swapped over, they will probably be similar to mine.
Rossco has had a tough time and will keep you occupied for a while! Have fun! 5380

A bit of a typo! I should have said you will find the chassis number, not the engine number on the trianugular engine mount plate! 5380

[whitehillbilly64]

Thanks 3580
this plate ? Number runs side parallel to guard ?
Or the edge, when you look through the guard, over the wheel ?

whitehillbilly

[1950landy]

I have also seen a chassis number stamped on top of the front X member & also between the L/H engine mount & front of the vehicle . Not sure why. the other place I have seen them is the R/H front of front spring hanger & on top of the X member in front of the diff. not sure why there as you would need to remove the tub to see it.
My 1950 80" is no the engine mount though.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Evening.
Trying to take the head of my 53. 80inch.
Removed head bolts, but wont shift. Noticed two large nuts holding holding rocker shaft, along with 3 smaller bolts. They are marked X in the tightening sequence, image in the workshop manual. Remove them to remove head ???? Are these tightened at the end of the sequence, when refitting ?
Does the Siamese bore have a oil feed pipe to the head like later motors. ?
Thanks.

whitehillbilly

[JDNSW]

Yes. Rocker shaft hold down bolts go through the head. Note that there are two different size bolts with different torque settings - 30/50lb ft.

[1950landy]

163702 The note under the drg of head states the two bolts marked X must be pulled down after fitting rocker shaft.
There should be an oil feed from the oil light sender to the back of the head.163703

[whitehillbilly64]

Good evening.
Had the head off. Freed up Std pistions. Bore looks good, no ridge at the top.
Looks like it had been running very rich, before parked up, 38 years ago, which may have helped.
Drilled out plug remains, going up one size at a time.
Head looks good. All valves freed up nicely.
Can find a oil feed for the rockers though. No external pipe, or holes for fittings.
Pics to come.
Any ideas ????
Thanks.

whitehillbilly

[JDNSW]

I think the oil feed is through a oil hole in the block into the head and then into one of the rocker supports. But it is a long time since I've worked on one of these! My manual says to make sure you align the oil holes in the rocker shaft towards the pushrod side, so tracing back from them would be a clue.

[1950landy]

163729 163730 The drg shows the oil pipe going to back of the cylinder head . Sorry about the instruction being up side down , I rotated it after scanning but it rotated again when I loaded it . Instruction 7 says remove oil pipe from rear of cylinder head.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good evening.
Head had a small plate over oil feed hole.
Block has a bolt plug.
Broken spark plug out, after careful drilling.
Very happy.
Pistons freed up.
Thanks.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Good evening,
Is the head banjo thread, feeding the oil supply into the block the same as later Series 2 ones ????.
Do have a 58 S2 with 2l motor, that i could try, plus Early S2 one.
Thanks for your comments.


whitehi'lbilly

[JDNSW]

I don't know if they are the same, but I would be very surprised if they were different - while the Series 2 went to UNF threads from BSF, this really only applied to new parts, carry over parts from Series 1 stayed BSF, and only changed later in Series 2a, so I doubt changes were made on an engine that was being dropped. Although you never know!

[1950landy]

Good evening,
Is the head banjo thread, feeding the oil supply into the block the same as later Series 2 ones ????.
Do have a 58 S2 with 2l motor, that i could try, plus Early S2 one.
Thanks for your comments.


whitehi'lbilly

Plug 19 is only a plug to remove rocker shaft , no oil feed 163775 Early S1 oil feed pipe 163776 Late S1 oil feed pipe 163777 S2 oil feed pipe163778 My parts books shows early S1 P/N 23522 , late S! P/N 267981 & S2 P/N 267981
I would say they are all interchangeable it is only the fitting at the lower end that is different. You also may find the thread that the oil light switch screw's in is different . I found this when I needed to replace the oil light switch on my 80" & it was not available , I was told by LR parts they supply S2 switches but found I had to run a die nut over the thread . One the thread is rounded in bottom of the thread the other is sharp , if you know what I mean . I also found the S2 one was set for the light to come on or go out at a different pressure. I managed to find a new one in Malta & also fitted a Rover oil / temperature gauge as well.

[whitehillbilly64]

Siamese or spreadbore.
What engine number did it change ?
Thanks.

whitehillbilly.

[101RRS]

I cannot answer your question about when engines changed but this recent thread covers siamese and spreadbore engines - with pics

Help to identifying engine type (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/279680-help-identifying-engine-type.html)

[JDNSW]

For what it is worth, according to John Smith the spread bore engine was put into Landrovers from August 1954. No numbers given!

[1950landy]

In James Taylor's book Original Land Rover Series 1 he states 1954 also . I have not found a E/N as yet I will have a proper read this afternoon while watching the V8's , that will give me 15min read during each lot of adds [biggrin]

[B.S.F.]

On a spread-bore, the wall thickness between the two outer cylinders is about 16mm. Yours looks less than that.
..W.

[1950landy]

I found this on wikipedia " in mid 54 the spread bore petrol was introduced @ E/N 5710XXXX

[russellrovers]

Siamese or spreadbore.
What engine number did it change ?
Thanks.

whitehillbilly.wsiamese

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Morning.
Looking at a 6 cylinder rover engine today.
Got me thinking as the oil filter assembly was on the LH side of the engine.
Could this be fitted to a Siamese bore engine in any way ????
Also Diesel motors have small fuel filter assembly usually on bulkhead.... Could this be added to the Siamese bore motor, as an oil filter ????
Thanks for your comments.


whitehillbilly.

[1950landy]

I bought one of these from the series one club shop UK 164011164012 164013 Takes a Ford Focus filter. I had an original Rover filter still in the Rover box , I sold it on Ebay & got enough to get this one from the UK.

[JDNSW]

I can't comment on the 6 cylinder filter, but the CAV fuel filter is not designed for the pressures involved, although it may withstand it. The critical situation would be a cold start with viscous oil.

[1950landy]

I can't comment on the 6 cylinder filter, but the CAV fuel filter is not designed for the pressures involved, although it may withstand it. The critical situation would be a cold start with viscous oil.
I was wondering if the 6 cyl he was looking at was a P3 or Cyclops , that takes the same filter as a early LR.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good morning.
I see from these holes, Rossco had grab rails.
Are these STD through the series range.
Thanks

whitehillbilly

[1950landy]

I think there were a couple of different types , but don't quote me on that . I seam to remember many years ago ( like 30years) seeing a different type on a S1 to the ones I have . From memory there was a difference in the bend or the pressing were it mounts on to the chassis . But as is don't quote me on that my memory is not that good.[bighmmm]

[JDNSW]

Good morning.
I see from these holes, Rossco had grab rails.
Are these STD through the series range.
Thanks

whitehillbilly

They were fitted to all Series Landrovers except some specials lots such as some military versions. They were present on the Centre-steer, on the first pre-production model, and on the last Series 3 (and, I think, on the last Defender).

I am almost certain they are interchangeable right through, and I think all the Series ones are identical, although they may have come from different subcontractors and may have had different part numbers and perhaps fine details as a result.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Evening.
Mystery bolt removed. Not over tight. Banjo bolt screwed in by hand. Nothing damaged. PO probably put in hand tight and gentle nip.
Sump plug rounded and a PITA to remove. Sized down once out. No Nasties in engine oil. New oil in.
Cranking engine, oil pumps to head. [thumbsupbig]
Fitting starter must have been a after thought, once lower banjo bolt hole had been located and threaded. ????

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

few more Pics

[whitehillbilly64]

Pick up some bits over the weekend.
Thanks W.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Morning.
Pick up a complete but worn nut, steering box from BSF. (Thanks)
Showed a old engineering mate this idea.
http://morganownersclub.com.au/Removing%20Play%20from%20Burman-Douglas%20Steering%20Box.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0pmYMe-C6f5f9Y1bxbBZAXGWHOLj1oCDHjxY
No problem was his reply.
Took about an hr. 99% zinc
All play removed. 5mm free play on outer edge of steering wheel. Play in drop arm shaft button.
SAE 250 going into the box. His suggestion, as he uses it in steering boxes in his old Dodges. Most have wooden spoked wheels.
What size modern oil seal replaces the old, double leather drop arm shaft ones ????
Thanks.


whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Good evening.
Bit of work on replacement Chassis.
Where should I stamp bulkhead plate number on Chassis on my 53 80inch. Anned and Thompson badged ?
LH engine mount. LH front spring hanger outer side ?
Thanks for comments.

whitehillbilly

[Larry]

My '51 chassis number is on top by the LH engine mount.
I believe most are there.[wink11]

[whitehillbilly64]

Few small chassis repairs done. [thumbsupbig]
Tear in Chassis.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Another one.
Not sure what this was ???? Some sort of bracket ripped out. Brake line bracket on other side.

[whitehillbilly64]

Inspection hole for Chassis repair ????
I put a camera in side. Looks good.

[whitehillbilly64]

Small rust hole in rear cross member.
Cut out, new low drain hole should remove future issues.

[whitehillbilly64]

Again, looks like tear holes ????

[whitehillbilly64]

All painted.
Genuine Chassis/Rear spring bushes coming from Blanchards.....
Have the front spring ones.
Thanks for looking.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Bit more done.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Morning..
Everything with Rossco's hand brake assembly was seized. Heat and patience and everything came apart. Cleaned up and re assembled. Some bolts replaced (BSF) found a spring, and a few extra washers, as per the parts manual. New knob made from Brass rod. Threads on knob rod, cleaned up. The BSF tap and dies set, worth every cent......

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Throw away ????

[whitehillbilly64]

Nah.
Took a bit of Dremel grinding of the screws to get it out.
Original off Rossco. Grind off Rivet and pull apart. Clean, rust converter, cold gal zinc, re assemble with BA screw and brass nut for easy pull apart and re clean of needed Then test on Multi Meter. Back on new chassis.
Just in case, the square lugs are riveted via pins below. I thought they may have been threaded, as both were a bit loose. Tried to undo to no avail so I used a 4 inch nail, after adjusting point to tighten. It fitted perfectly into threaded recess, but didn't tighten. Squared off nail, light tap, and it all tightened up nicely.

whitehillbilly

[1950landy]

Need to put a bit of Vaseline on the contact to stop them corroding if you are not taking on dusty roads . I found with my 80" I needed to pump the brake peddle a few times after it had been sitting for a while to get the brake lights to work , after a light smear Vaseline didn't have to do it any more.

[whitehillbilly64]

Thanks.
Actually just had a thought.... Bit of tyre inner tube to seal base and Two little seals on the arm, which would be held by spring would improve dust issues ????

whitehillbilly.

[whitehillbilly64]

Morning.
Rebuilt Fuel Tap/filter. Tap not in closed position for 40+ years. M8, 1.0 seemed closest I had, so gentle run down by hand, to clean up threads. Original cork bowl gasket.
Thanks for looking.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Bit of work needed to clutch arm. Arm had chewed 1/4 into round pin, and worn the round hole one side. Started welding pin, but decided to make new one and build up Hole.... Adjusting nut had no thread, so added extra nut and lock nut, as not sure if adjustor nut was threaded whole length.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

This Wheel brace was in Rossco's seat box. Original type ? Fits 80 inch wheel nuts.
Cleaned it up today and a protective coat of paint.

whitehillbilly

[JDNSW]

Is that a metal handle on the crank? I'm pretty sure the 80" would have had a wooden handle, with the metal one coming later. But the same size nuts were used until almost the end of 2a production.

[whitehillbilly64]

Appears to be sprung steel handles, John.

[shwza]

What a huge resto. How's the progression? Awesome to see what you've done so far

[1950landy]

Looks like the wheel brace in my 80" that has steel hand grips . My two 49 Rover P3's had this same type of wheel braces with the steel hand grips . I have about 20 Rover wheel braces of different sizes & are all made the same way.
169038

[whitehillbilly64]

Put aside 5 days this week, to try and move Rossco along a bit,
Because of where it sat for 38yrs, every bolt is a struggle.
A passing comment as I was painting the brace 'Thats not a land rover part' We she learnt something new today.
Very slow progress.
Hopefully wont take me 6 years like Gilbert, my S3.

whitehillbilly

[JDNSW]

Looks like the wheel brace in my 80" that has steel hand grips . My two 49 Rover P3's had this same type of wheel braces with the steel hand grips . I have about 20 Rover wheel braces of different sizes & are all made the same way.
169038

OK, I must be thinking of the one that came with my father's Austin 16!

[grey_ghost]

Put aside 5 days this week, to try and move Rossco along a bit,
Because of where it sat for 38yrs, every bolt is a struggle.
A passing comment as I was painting the brace 'Thats not a land rover part' We she learnt something new today.
Very slow progress.
Hopefully wont take me 6 years like Gilbert, my S3.

whitehillbilly

You still beat Gav!! 🤣

[5380]

This Wheel brace was in Rossco's seat box. Original type ? Fits 80 inch wheel nuts.
Cleaned it up today and a protective coat of paint.

whitehillbilly

My '53 80" has the same tubular steel handle. All the Series One wheel braces that I have seen have been that type. Not much leverage on a rusty wheel nut! I have have never seen one with a wooden handle, but the jack winder has a wooden cross piece.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good evening.
Started work on Rossco's 53 bulkhead.
Bit of patch work and made up some captive nuts.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Few More.

[whitehillbilly64]

Pick up some D lights bits to make up a couple. Thanks W.
Replaced missing fixing bolts. Re threaded brass nuts to suit. Tub of BA nut and bolts unearthed Thumb screws for case halves.
Made cork gaskets. Lens one a bit thick. 2mm perfect for covers. Just need to find the 0.8mm sheet.

whitehillbill

[whitehillbilly64]

Few more.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Evening.
Take one very bent and broke stator tube and top moldings. Bit of work and parts from www.charlesworthmoudings.co.uk (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.charlesworthmoudings.co.u k%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1Ascbqte_1dZpFQu7_nyCXpM0lavvR PA0q3H9FVjU2dLMS3LZoDg27qvU&h=AT3J94nDHI9JnpIJ9XcXA49BfRYu4HdOgJum90sw3gA1DV68 swCiHNioxlXLpgjjgGjYxMn6_drl-pnCRhgXTGcTDDkd3k64NshuEHZqifc0_W7WTVqz-kQCfMDc7sZeT2k&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT26xhS74YcNzcNkzP7lVyjaFNsatnRjxXpzEwFVUkoJp53BT lJCBu8nFtmwb81U6xnMTdUUaOEjKDeQfctPdnMrRhFheN-s8Ba84ry3wMjfblgvUYFOqMa4657EsaKYRC34lHDJ50ax_OOcK UnlIgKBMs1RcgCUFl8) And a few hrs Today.
Problem was getting the horn assembly off old unit, as it is riveted over. Decided to drill off and see what's underneath. Drilled out center and tapped a thread in the brass. Smallest I had was M3 0.5 and a matching screw. Fiber disk was brittle, and broke. May have been cracked so repaired with a treatment of super glue and some sanding.
Everything cleaned up. Bit of graphite powder for lub and reassembled with new parts.
Parts Ordered.......
1 x Felt Bush - 08832
1 x Stator Tube Rubber Intermediate - 07657 (they come as a set of 3)
1 x Oil Retaining Washer 07676
1 x Stator control tube Lower Grommet 56169
1 x stator tube rubber mount set
1 x Top Cover For Steering Column Control - 272094
Including tracked postage. $200

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Few more.

[whitehillbilly64]

Good Evening.
Clark Rubber Tweed was online only.....So couldn't pick up Seat for for my 80 inch. Upholster said it would be better if I picked up some......Got home and took to a 6 inch single foam mattress, with a Electric Carving Knife. Tricky cutting in half to make seat backs and Bench seat bases. Still have to trims seats bases to 4 inches at the rear.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Tub and Tail Gate repairs done.
Very abused, battered and bent.

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

Hoop Retaining 'Special bolt' and plates made and fitted.

whitehillbilly

[5380]

Good Evening.
Clark Rubber Tweed was online only.....So couldn't pick up Seat for for my 80 inch. Upholster said it would be better if I picked up some......Got home and took to a 6 inch single foam mattress, with a Electric Carving Knife. Tricky cutting in half to make seat backs and Bench seat bases. Still have to trims seats bases to 4 inches at the rear.

whitehillbilly

Well done! Lucky to find some repairable D lamps and a bucket of BA screws! The Horn/dip came up really well. The price seemed pretty good as well. You will have to call this 80 Lazarus, because slowly, but surely it's coming back from the dead. If you need the seat base drawings with dimensions, I have some stashed away somewhere. You need to source some really firm foam for the bases, most of it is way too soft and unsupportive. When lockdown is behind us, if you are passing by the Tamworth District, you are welcome to have a look at my rebuilt but unrestored '53 if you want to check out any details for yours. Mike, 5380.

[whitehillbilly64]

Thanks Mike.
Well I have cheated a bit.......Most seat foam is far to hard.
I added a piece of thin Ply with 4 drain holes above the Hessian, so I can use softer foam.[bigwhistle]
Mystery spacer came from under Tub. Loose and only one ?

whitehillbilly

[whitehillbilly64]

May fit here.
listed in 53 Parts manual No 27 Packing block. Floor to Chassis. 2x 311785
Land Rover Series 1 packing block floor to chassis 311785 | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/293036173132)
My block is plastic and not as bid as I believe the are 1x1 inch Rubber Blocks.

whitehillbilly

[5380]

Thanks Mike.
Well I have cheated a bit.......Most seat foam is far to hard.
I added a piece of thin Ply with 4 drain holes above the Hessian, so I can use softer foam.[bigwhistle]
Mystery spacer came from under Tub. Loose and only one ?

whitehillbilly
I like the support offered by the firmer foams, but I agree that they can be too hard. As long as they keep their shape and don't let your arse hit the plywood base.I don't recognise that rubber ? block, but it was 20 years ago that I had my tub off!
5380 Mike