SD6

[WhiteD3]

Pardon me if this has been covered previously....

While at the dealers this morning to (unsuccessfully) pick up the D5 after repair, I had a look at the Defender and had a chat with the sales manager who said...

No more 4 cylinder diesel Defenders in the NY, only the P400 and SD6 variants from then on. He estimated an S model SD6 would be $115k.

My response was why would you pay $115k for an SD6 S Defender when you can get an SD6 SE D5 for less? He concurred but of course people have different needs and wants.

[scarry]

Seems they are trying to price themselves out of the market?

So thats a base model,presume drive away,none of the many extras.And a 3yr,100K warranty,way below industry standard.

Makes that Paj on another thread fantastic value,although its old school,even an LC,and current Patrol,great value as well.

[Graeme]

Even base models have some features such as CVDs which aren't available on any D5.

[Slunnie]

I would have expected the SD6 to be what people in Aus want, but without the MHEV.... that may help with the price that comes with it.

[Rob66]

Makes me kinda glad I have a D240 on the way :)

[INter674]

As Cadogan constantly reports ..the Aus market is small by global standards and JLR generally have not made a success of selling cars here. I suspect their global forward Defender sales to major markets are strong atm. So even less reason to service a niche market like Aus with all variants.

Of course if demand/supply dynamics change..then the offerings might change also. Remember the Evoque was also doomed by many to be a sales disaster...and crappy old Defers sell for stupid prices. Who would have thought that🙄

[100inch]

Seems they are trying to price themselves out of the market?

So thats a base model,presume drive away,none of the many extras.And a 3yr,100K warranty,way below industry standard.

Makes that Paj on another thread fantastic value,although its old school,even an LC,and current Patrol,great value as well.
But there are a lot of people who wouldn't park a Pajero or Toyota in front of their house, let alone drive it. m

[Hagrid]

This would be a good thing for current D240 owners I would have thought. If a base model SD6 costs $115k then my FE should present far better value for money at resale.

[rar110]

Congrats to you blokes who have a L663 on the way. I look forward to your feedback on its on and off road capability. Both are equally important IMHO in a country of this size, where you travel vast distances on the black stuff before needing any off road capability. For on road capability I’m looking at drive ability (which covers a heap of factors like driver visibility, power/torque, incl when towing), noise levels, seat comfort, safety features (incl effective Bluetooth, audio system that doesn’t distract).

Although I’m years away from considering an upgrade.

[Hagrid]

Congrats to you blokes who have a L663 on the way. I look forward to your feedback on its on and off road capability. Both are equally important IMHO in a country of this size, where you travel vast distances on the black stuff before needing any off road capability. For on road capability I’m looking at drive ability (which covers a heap of factors like driver visibility, power/torque, incl when towing), noise levels, seat comfort, safety features (incl effective Bluetooth, audio system that doesn’t distract).

Although I’m years away from considering an upgrade.


Well I’m loving mine, though unfortunately stage 4 restrictions means I’m barely driving it though today I spent a bit more time in it within my 5k radius. It’s a massive upgrade for me though do it wouldn’t have to be too fabulous to feel that way. But that said the infotainment and interior is great and it just feels like I’m driving my couch around, the air suspension is awesome. I love riding around at full lift. Feels like I’m in a monster truck.

[grey_ghost]

Well I’m loving mine, though unfortunately stage 4 restrictions means I’m barely driving it though today I spent a bit more time in it within my 5k radius. It’s a massive upgrade for me though do it wouldn’t have to be too fabulous to feel that way. But that said the infotainment and interior is great and it just feels like I’m driving my couch around, the air suspension is awesome. I love riding around at full lift. Feels like I’m in a monster truck.

Are you in Melbourne and have you got a new Defender you lucky bugger? Congrats.

[Hagrid]

Yes on both counts. D240FE in silver with black roof took delivery on the Tuesday 3rd.

[Slunnie]

Yes on both counts. D240FE in silver with black roof took delivery on the Tuesday 3rd.

Congratulations! Must have been one of the first off the boat!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Well I’m loving mine, though unfortunately stage 4 restrictions means I’m barely driving it though today I spent a bit more time in it within my 5k radius. It’s a massive upgrade for me though do it wouldn’t have to be too fabulous to feel that way. But that said the infotainment and interior is great and it just feels like I’m driving my couch around, the air suspension is awesome. I love riding around at full lift. Feels like I’m in a monster truck.

:ttiwwp:
[wink11]

[INter674]

Yes on both counts. D240FE in silver with black roof took delivery on the Tuesday 3rd.

You jammy bastard☺

Please provide more feedback. As you are able too..

I can appreciate your comnent re a step up...I'm in the same boat coming from a D2 to a D4..still smiling after 10 months.

Might just take the boss to Tilfords today...hope they've got one on show...mmmm...super...who needs it🙄

[SBD4]

:ttiwwp:
[wink11]

See here[thumbsupbig]:

Show Us Your (All New) Defender (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l663-defender/280502-show-us-your-all-new-defender.html)

[INter674]

Tilfords Hobart only got one 4cyl 110 with more to come inc a 6cyl in Sept/Oct.

Car is much bigger than the pics show..bigger than the D5 cause of the spare wheel. Seats do fold flat too but compared to our D4 SC I was a bit underwhelmed by the interior. Meridian Sound systems much the same too but infotainment system looks and performs good. Gear selector on dash a bit weird..sort of Citroen like. Seats again not as comfy as the D4..bit too stiff but may wear in. Materials are very workmanlike...wife won't like them..too rubbery😐

Engine gutsy but not as punchy...naturally ..as our SC..ride seemed about the same..but for 115k..mmm..think I'll wait for the 6cyl petrol.

Supply will be a major issue due to factory Covid catch up and we are at the arse end of the world..literally!

Salesman said it's tough atm due to model discounts by other makers.. I mentioned the Paj run out and he just shook his head saying how can we match that!

They also battle the local obsession with LCs and Prados which he said are grossly over valued and over rated mentioning the average yota owner spend at ARB is 10k.

I don't think we'll see too many Defers in Hobart for a while if at all.

He also said the resale value of D4s is increasing??

Anyhow it was a nice chat and an interesting vehicle but im not convinced yet it is a better car than the D4 SC which he rated v high..maybe the 6cyl will be🙄

Oh and apparently there's a SCV8 Defer in Europe..which LR is evaluating🤤

[scarry]

Following from Inter674,spoke to the sales guy i know at the local dealer.

He is not very happy[bigsad][biggrin]

He said come down and look,but neither are for sale,but i won't have time before we head off for a couple of weeks away.
No diesels until at least end of 2021,possibly the 6,and then that isn't confirmed.D240 gone for good from the Defender range in Aus,wouldn't say why.Seems odd as its available in the D5.Rumours are Defender isn't paying for itself,with the D240.I suppose there is a heap of R and D that needs recouping.
Only petrols,at starting base model price of $115K,i didn't ask,but i bet that is a 5 seater.
Petrol is pretty complicated,turbo and supercharged,and must run on premium.
There won't be many available until sometime next year.

Said can't compete with other makes,difficult with a diesel,no hope without one.
Doesn't seem like a good start at all,in Aus.Apparently the D240 will still be available in Defender in other markets.
I did notice D240 in D5 was derated in Aus about 6 months ago or so.I don't know why.

Anyway,i did see a green one on the road today,which was a surprise.
Looked good.

[scarry]

He also said the resale value of D4s is increasing??


A car broker said that to me a couple of months ago.
He said a good one is a very sort after vehicle.

Maybe i throw $5K more on mine than i thought it may be worth and see what happens,i am in no rush[biggrin]

[DiscoDB]

Seems we are starting to see how the low volume - high margin strategy will play out at JLR. Perhaps the new CEO will correct this course.

I am still looking forward to see what they do with the next generation Defender in 4-5 years. The New Defender Series II will be one to wait for. But for this to happen we do need more people to buy the current New Defender to sort out all the first generation bugs. [emoji48]

[Hagrid]

Tilfords Hobart only got one 4cyl 110 with more to come inc a 6cyl in Sept/Oct.

Car is much bigger than the pics show..bigger than the D5 cause of the spare wheel. Seats do fold flat too but compared to our D4 SC I was a bit underwhelmed by the interior. Meridian Sound systems much the same too but infotainment system looks and performs good. Gear selector on dash a bit weird..sort of Citroen like. Seats again not as comfy as the D4..bit too stiff but may wear in. Materials are very workmanlike...wife won't like them..too rubbery😐

Engine gutsy but not as punchy...naturally ..as our SC..ride seemed about the same..but for 115k..mmm..think I'll wait for the 6cyl petrol.

Supply will be a major issue due to factory Covid catch up and we are at the arse end of the world..literally!

Salesman said it's tough atm due to model discounts by other makers.. I mentioned the Paj run out and he just shook his head saying how can we match that!

They also battle the local obsession with LCs and Prados which he said are grossly over valued and over rated mentioning the average yota owner spend at ARB is 10k.

I don't think we'll see too many Defers in Hobart for a while if at all.

He also said the resale value of D4s is increasing??

Anyhow it was a nice chat and an interesting vehicle but im not convinced yet it is a better car than the D4 SC which he rated v high..maybe the 6cyl will be🙄

Oh and apparently there's a SCV8 Defer in Europe..which LR is evaluating🤤

compared to my Renault Koleos 2.5l NA petrol, the D240 goes like a cut cat so it’s all relative. I personally love the interior, I think it’s the perfect balance of being easy to clean, looking tough and premium. Also I quite like the centre console and gear stick and find the seats very comfortable.

But when you’ve spent $125k (5+2 D240FE) on a car you look at things in a positive light.

[INter674]

Following from Inter674,spoke to the sales guy i know at the local dealer.

He is not very happy[bigsad][biggrin]

He said come down and look,but neither are for sale,but i won't have time before we head off for a couple of weeks away.
No diesels until at least end of 2021,possibly the 6,and then that isn't confirmed.D240 gone for good from the Defender range in Aus,wouldn't say why.Seems odd as its available in the D5.Rumours are Defender isn't paying for itself,with the D240.I suppose there is a heap of R and D that needs recouping.
Only petrols,at starting base model price of $115K,i didn't ask,but i bet that is a 5 seater.
Petrol is pretty complicated,turbo and supercharged,and must run on premium.
There won't be many available until sometime next year.

Said can't compete with other makes,difficult with a diesel,no hope without one.
Doesn't seem like a good start at all,in Aus.Apparently the D240 will still be available in Defender in other markets.
I did notice D240 in D5 was derated in Aus about 6 months ago or so.I don't know why.

Anyway,i did see a green one on the road today,which was a surprise.
Looked good.


One I looked at was a 7 seater with multiple seating configurations. Rear seats are much the same as the D4 in configuration and style ...maybe a bit smaller??

On reflection the car certsinly has presence but also a degree of blandness which the sales guy said was deliberate to emulate the old cars. The front seating is not as cosseting as our D4...a bit too open and flattish looking forward but providing more storage and utility functionality.

Trouble is we have gotren used to the wrap around style so an open flat dash takes some adjustment to the senses. Visibility forward is great..rear not so. Have to say the alpine windows are plain ugly from inside and the tail lights...mmmm..well they are different....look like a kid has cut and pasted them on.

One thing you can say about LR is that they are risk takers with both style and tech.

Oh and the 8 speed ZF auto is further refined..hardly noticeable in changes. Sales bloke said they've not seen any issues with the 8 speed across any models.

Yeah nothing for sale..delivery some time next year. More worrying was when I asked about booking a test drive he said....now☺

Rest of showroom and yard was empty of folk but it was Monday in Slobart.

Tilfords biggest seller remains the Ranger which he said fly out of the yard with Wildtrack orders increasing by the day. Says a lot about the Aussie market atm.

Gonna be a tough sell at 115k😐

[scarry]

Gonna be a tough sell at 115k😐

But the base S model has pretty good specs,the SE only adds a couple of safety features,from memory.
Admittedly the two safety features should be in the S,they are the norm for any car these days.
But both have 5 seats,for those looking for a 7 seater,thats an expensive addition.

The petrol won't fit 18" wheels either,which is an issue for some.

The list of add ons,many very costly, is huge.Some are ridiculously priced,and would soon push the $115K up a lot higher.

Still a lot of money,but the vehicle is the latest and greatest,for those that want one.
Remember,some spend well over $150K to $300K on their vehicles.Not me,thats for sure.

For us,and many on here,we are not in the market for that type of expensive vehicle.

It definitely isn't an affordable family touring wagon for many.

Most in Aus will continue on with the Jap,Thailand and Korean vehicles,that are reasonably priced,not the latest and greatest,but do get the job done.And are diesel.
Euro 6 won't be in here until 2027,so there is still a long way to go on current crop of diesels.
After that who knows what is going to happen.

[INter674]

compared to my Renault Koleos 2.5l NA petrol, the D240 goes like a cut cat so it’s all relative. I personally love the interior, I think it’s the perfect balance of being easy to clean, looking tough and premium. Also I quite like the centre console and gear stick and find the seats very comfortable.

But when you’ve spent $125k (5+2 D240FE) on a car you look at things in a positive light.


Yeah agree..I'm not writing it off..guess we're spoiled by the SC we have...to some degree at least.

I think you're comment about tough and premium materials is spot on and suits the overall character of the car...retro and yet modern...almost a bit futuristic in some regards.

Head room too is fantastic.

I'm sure a longer drive in the 6 will be a different story rather than the rushed 4cyl demo we did.

It certainly wets the appetite whereas I almost fell asleep looking at the D5..despite the salesman reeling off it's fantastic specs... which indeed are great..but as the wife said..they've softened it too much🙄☺

Huh?

[scarry]

It certainly wets the appetite whereas I almost fell asleep looking at the D5..despite the salesman reeling off it's fantastic specs... which indeed are great..but as the wife said..they've softened it too much🙄☺

Huh?

The guy i know, started that D5 stuff as well,but he knew i wasn't interested,as he has said to me before,we can't seem to sell them to D3/4 owners.

Now why would that be??[tonguewink]

[rdenyer]

Following from Inter674,spoke to the sales guy i know at the local dealer.

He is not very happy[bigsad][biggrin]

He said come down and look,but neither are for sale,but i won't have time before we head off for a couple of weeks away.
No diesels until at least end of 2021,possibly the 6,and then that isn't confirmed.D240 gone for good from the Defender range in Aus,wouldn't say why.Seems odd as its available in the D5.Rumours are Defender isn't paying for itself,with the D240.I suppose there is a heap of R and D that needs recouping.
Only petrols,at starting base model price of $115K,i didn't ask,but i bet that is a 5 seater.
Petrol is pretty complicated,turbo and supercharged,and must run on premium.
There won't be many available until sometime next year.

Said can't compete with other makes,difficult with a diesel,no hope without one.
Doesn't seem like a good start at all,in Aus.Apparently the D240 will still be available in Defender in other markets.
I did notice D240 in D5 was derated in Aus about 6 months ago or so.I don't know why.

Anyway,i did see a green one on the road today,which was a surprise.
Looked good.

Wonder if this has anything to do with the lower standards Australia has for diesel fuel, or is it part of the trend away from diesel because of stricter emissions standards in Europe.
Remember Nissan only have a petrol Patrol, and the rumours are that the new Landcruiser is petrol only ?

[rdenyer]

Australia misses out on smartest plug in hybrids because of poor vehicle standards | The Driven (https://thedriven.io/2020/08/13/australia-misses-out-on-smartest-plug-in-hybrids-because-of-poor-vehicle-standards/)

As a result, we are unlikely to see these model features here any time soon. Instead, Australian importers will continue to bring in their older technology vehicles. This is because these are generally more tolerant of Australia’s low quality fuels, but they are also less fuel efficient.
The outcome? A triple whammy on the typical Australian new car buyer as that vehicle is:


more expensive in fuel use to run,
more harmful to the health of our population, and
making it ever harder to meet our CO2-e reduction obligations under the Paris Accord.

[scarry]

Australia misses out on smartest plug in hybrids because of poor vehicle standards | The Driven (https://thedriven.io/2020/08/13/australia-misses-out-on-smartest-plug-in-hybrids-because-of-poor-vehicle-standards/)

As a result, we are unlikely to see these model features here any time soon. Instead, Australian importers will continue to bring in their older technology vehicles. This is because these are generally more tolerant of Australia’s low quality fuels, but they are also less fuel efficient.
The outcome? A triple whammy on the typical Australian new car buyer as that vehicle is:


more expensive in fuel use to run,
more harmful to the health of our population, and
making it ever harder to meet our CO2-e reduction obligations under the Paris Accord.


All changes 2027,when Euro 6 will start in Aus.Unless the time line is changed,which could happen.
So the crop of diesels and petrols, in the big players will probably be around in one form or another until close to then.

[WhiteD3]

I see today the only engine choice is the petrol MHEV.