IPF "Fatboy" globes

[LandyAndy]

Hi Guys
In the latest ARB Cattledog they list IPF globes that are described as a super low beam.
-H4 12V 60/80W
-Optical equivalent of 150W highbeam and 190W lowbeam.
-IPFs most powerful H4 upgrade,suitable for standard wiring.
-Suitable for factory headlights with resin reflectors/lenses.
THE KILLER PART,$149 PAIR.
Are the Disco2(1999) globes H4???
Are these things road legal???
What are you guys running???(Intend ordering a Drivesafe upgrade next week)
I would say these would be perfect for country driving,no more diving into the dark when you hit low beam.
Andrew

[disconut]

Currently run these in the fender. Hard to rate but I think they are an improvement over standard.

Trev.

[George130]

I have 100/130 watts with wiring upgrade. I also have two cracked lenses.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Trev
Have you still got the standard wiring??? I guess this is where the largest increase in lighting power is to be made made.Did the packaging say "offroad use only"??? This usually means they dont meet aust ADR rules.
Hi Edd
The globes you have,are they normal halogen 100/130??? As I did read in a mag(I think) that you cant run normal uprated halogen globes due to the heat build up when a wiring upgrade is done.These other globes are rated lower input but with a higher equivalent output.
Im sure Drivesafe will be along soon to point us in the correct direction.
Andrew

[disconut]

I still have the standard wiring as the globes are not overrated. They are supposed to just put out more light? I am going to run a relay system shortly to get more grunt to them.

Trev.

PS Living in the bush qualifies as "Off Road" in my opinion. No "Govt supplied" street lighting out here.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Trev
Thats what Im ready to do,with one of Drivesafes kits.Just looking to go one better in the bulb department.
We have philips +60% in the Trytoo,they are much brighter than standard,but it has standard wiring.
Andrew

[drivesafe]

Hi LandyAndy, first off, to answer your PM. Try the upgrade first and then, if needed, try the globes mentioned bellow.

To date, I have had nothing to do with the FatBoy Globes but they sound similar to the Philips Crystal Vision globes and It might pay you to check them out and see if the have the same current rating and light output rating and if so, try Bursons Auto Parts, they are about the cheapest I have come across for Philips globes.

Now to the light. If the FatBoy globes are the same as the Philip’s globes, the globe is designed to give a white light.

This WHITE light is NOT as bright as yellow light of the same supposed rated output, in other words, the Philips Crystal Vision is supposed to be equal to a 110 watt conventional globe. From my experience, a 100 watt conventional globe is brighter but here is the difference and what makes the WHITE light globes better.

Conventional globes no matter how powerful they are, all give off yellow light that “ paints “ everything with a yellow hue and makes objects, at a distance, a little hard to pick out till you get closer. EG. 200m down the road on the right is a yellowish coloured kangaroo in the yellowish grass besides the yellowish tarred road.

White light on the other hand actually shows everything it each individual object’s colours. EG. The brown kangaroo is in the green grass next to the grey tarred road.

This is over simplifying it but the white lights definitely gives you the advantage of being able to discriminate between objects at a greater distance than can be done with yellow light.

This might also explain why both the FatBoy and Philips globes don’t get any hotter than globes of equal current rating.

Cheers.

[amtravic1]

I cant comment on the quality of the light of the IPF fatboy globes. According to the ARB catalogue the have a different gas to "normal" H4 globes and thereore give a light output equivelent to 150 watt ordinary globes from memory.
The first step to improving the light output is to fit an upgraded loom.
What I can say is a few years ago I was searching for a "quality" headlight globe as I was having trouble with globes not lasting very long. I tried Narva, standard Philips range, Hansa and a couple of others. All would last varying degrees of what I thought was not very long.
I bought a set of IPF 110/80 globes as these seemed to be the best I could find at the time and were highly recomended by ARB of course as they sell them. They were quite expensive although I cant remeber the cost anymore.
I have been very impressed with the IPF globes. They give a very good light output and have lasted very well. I am thinking of fitting an HID bi zenon kit at present though.

[rick130]

there was a thread recently on OL general tech forum regarding these vs going HID with an ebay kit, and the concensus from those that had used a few ebay HID's was to go HID if you could afford it. There was a recommendation on which kits were deemed OK.
Can dig it up if anyone is interested.
One of the blokes had spent a bomb on testing different HID kits and retro fitting to various headlights and drivng lights, and had an instruction manual on how to convert Light Force XGT's to HID. The concensus seemed to be that the best light temperature was around 4500K, but a lot of the kits were around 6000K which gives a distinctly blue light for the baseball cap backward brigade, but isn't so good out on the road.

[disconut]

I can agree with the blue light comment. I fitted a set of Narva blue lamps to the Golf, and around town fine, but back in the bush I could not see a damn thing. They seem to pick up white lines OK, but not dull bush coloured objects. (See Drivesafes Fat Boy lamps reply post), They were in for less than a week before I fitted relays and 80/110 lamps. Now we can see!

Trev.

[amtravic1]

there was a thread recently on OL general tech forum regarding these vs going HID with an ebay kit, and the concensus from those that had used a few ebay HID's was to go HID if you could afford it. There was a recommendation on which kits were deemed OK.
Can dig it up if anyone is interested.
One of the blokes had spent a bomb on testing different HID kits and retro fitting to various headlights and drivng lights, and had an instruction manual on how to convert Light Force XGT's to HID. The concensus seemed to be that the best light temperature was around 4500K, but a lot of the kits were around 6000K which gives a distinctly blue light for the baseball cap backward brigade, but isn't so good out on the road.


I have dealt with Dave(Bushie555) from the Outerlimits forum. I asked him some questions about adapting my Cibie Turini lights to HID. He spent alot of time looking into it and emailing me pictures of what was required. I have since decided not to convert those lights.
I bought some of his lightforce adaptors and a set of instuctions for XGT conversion even though I have no plans to use Lightforce lights at present. I can recommend his products and advise. A top guy.

[rick130]

I have dealt with Dave(Bushie555) from the Outerlimits forum. I asked him some questions about adapting my Cibie Turini lights to HID. He spent alot of time looking into it and emailing me pictures of what was required. I have since decided not to convert those lights.
I bought some of his lightforce adaptors and a set of instuctions for XGT conversion even though I have no plans to use Lightforce lights at present. I can recommend his products and advise. A top guy.

That's him ! He was very free with his advice. Sounds like a good bloke.

[drivesafe]

By the way, using the proper white lights has a major advantage for on coming traffic.

Even though they may seem brighter, because these globes ( talking about the legal ones here ) block UV, they do far less damage to your eyes and also allow your eyes to adjust back to night vision quicker.

One disadvantage is the fact that this white light negates yellow light so when you are driving along windy roads and something is coming the other way, you can’t see their lights reflecting of the outside of the road as they approach around a corner. The first time you know there is a vehicle coming towards you is when you see the actual headlights.

Some of them do get a bit upset.

Cheers.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Drivesafe
The Phillips Diamond Vision are the blue globes correct????
The Phillips Crystal Vision are what you recommend???They are available on Ebay for $79.99 + $10 p/h.Is this a good price?
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Hi Guys
I was poking further around Ebay and found these,bit more of a trusted name compared to all those obscure brands on there.If you look at ordering some check out his online store,he has the same item but $10 less,go figure.$44.50 for a pair delivered.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/home | pay | register | sign out | site map
Dont know if it worked:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

HI Guys
Ok It didnt seem to work.
They are Narva Rally Premium Xenon Super White Globes 100/90W =160/150W.4500K
The sellers Ebay shop is INTERNET GARAGE if your chasing a set.
Andrew

[drivesafe]

Hi LanyAndy, I use Philips globes but that’s no to say there aren’t other brands out there that are as good but I would do a bit of snooping before you buy anything Narva.

I tried the Narva 50+ before settling for the Philips. The Philips were obviously a different type of globe and a lot dearer but the Narva 50+ were no better than the Rangies original globes.

Narva are really getting a bad name in everything they flog.

I was after some automotive relays and one of the wholesalers I deal with on a regular basis warned me off the Narva brand relays, which he sold but was getting heaps of warranty returns.

As he was likely to loose a sale by telling me that, I’m pretty sure he was being honest.

Just a word of caution.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Drivesafe
I ordered a set,hope they are OK:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
They are german made,Im pretty sure most of Narvas normal stuff is chinese cheapos.And your right about thier relays,garbage,burn out quickly.
Andrew

[Ralf_the_RR]

A while ago I bought some "Crystal lenses" that came with "super white HID look alike" 100/90 globes.

Took a while to get used to the blue tinge, but in reality they were cr@p.
All they seemed to be were globes dipped in blue paint.

Recently replaced the globes with Narva plus 50 which are 60/55.
Much much better. Not outstanding though.

I also upgraded the old hella spotties to lightforce 170s. Now that made a huge difference.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Harry
I looked at those Narva plus50s on their website whilst looking for some info on the ones I ended up ordering.
The plus50 is on lowbeam,highbeam is plus 20,I bet you missed that on the small print on the packet(if it was ever there)
Andrew

[rick130]

the Narva plus 50's work well in the Patrol (polycarb lenses and back) as they really disperse a lot on low beam which is where we needed the boost. Cibie Super Oscars fix high beam. LightForce 240's or XGT's would be even better.
The Narva globes are generally Osram's in my experience, and I haven't had a problem (yet) with my relays, which have been there 4 years, although I've noted Drivesafes warning from a previous thread. Actually had to use a switching relay recently on a customers job and Narva was the only one available quickly, so fingers crossed.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

if it comes back with a problem.....at least you know where to look first.....

[garciaj]

Hi Guys
In the latest ARB Cattledog they list IPF globes that are described as a super low beam.
-H4 12V 60/80W
-Optical equivalent of 150W highbeam and 190W lowbeam.
-IPFs most powerful H4 upgrade,suitable for standard wiring.
-Suitable for factory headlights with resin reflectors/lenses.
THE KILLER PART,$149 PAIR.
Are the Disco2(1999) globes H4???
Are these things road legal???
What are you guys running???(Intend ordering a Drivesafe upgrade next week)
I would say these would be perfect for country driving,no more diving into the dark when you hit low beam.
Andrew

I run the fat boys in my 92 disco and they seem to run okay, I run hella 4000 spot lights so the extra low beam suited my needs. I would like to upgrade the lens and reflectors to a better unit to gain a real improvement.

[mr_sav]

Hi Guys
In the latest ARB Cattledog they list IPF globes that are described as a super low beam.
-H4 12V 60/80W
-Optical equivalent of 150W highbeam and 190W lowbeam.
-IPFs most powerful H4 upgrade,suitable for standard wiring.
-Suitable for factory headlights with resin reflectors/lenses.
THE KILLER PART,$149 PAIR.
Are the Disco2(1999) globes H4???
Are these things road legal???
What are you guys running???(Intend ordering a Drivesafe upgrade next week)
I would say these would be perfect for country driving,no more diving into the dark when you hit low beam.
Andrew

ARB screwed up my lighting system when they fitted Bull-Bar, Winch, Snorkel and a Loom for Driving Lights.

Ended up I had worked with them through the night to finish it off. I was on the road to Whyalla the following day.

They threw in extras to me, including A new set of low/high beam Globes. Talk about bright. They retail for approx $150 a pair. Anyway I am happy with them.

Less Draw apparantly, but I have not tested this fact.

I have Been running them for over a week now. No Complaints.

Cheers.

[rsrichie]

I have a 96.5 V8 disco with standard wiring i have a custom 200amp bosch alternator winding and a exide N70 battery from this i run Standard Narva H4 90/130w headlights with no relays other than that which is standard factory fitting. I also have a set of IPF900 spot/drive combo running 130W H2 in each and when i go bush i have a set of Lightforce 240blitz that i mount on top of the nudge bar which i beleive are 130W also. The Driving lights both sets use a dual relay set up that comes ready made from Town and country at Roselands NSW and is designed to cope with powering a fridge and has the nice little mouse like IPF on off/isolation switch as an option. I went to this ready made set up when i burnt out two 30amp relays on the IPF's in a matter of weeks. I use my high beams and the IPFs most nights on the way home from work and have done so for at least 5 years and never had a problem with either the driving lights or the high beams they are very bright and give fantastic light spread and distance. The distance however nearly doubles with the use of the light force 240blitz. Although i am running the Narva 90/130 in the standard wiring loom i have never had a problem with this and find the light they spread to be much better than standard and certainly not dim or lacking.
By the way before i get the questions any decent auto elec can rewind and configure a 200W+ alternator for you. Heres a hint go to a auto elec that wears his hat backwards and specilizes in custom DUFF DUFF stereos he can even get a gold plated one for you.
Hope this helps some if not all of you.
:D