Test Drive

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

So I test drove a new Defender today. This one had the adventure pack (roof rack, side pannier, snorkel). It had the 110 logo on the bonnet and was a 240.

Impressions?

* The engine was smooth, and quiet (for a diesel)
* It had decent poke - but certainly was no ball of fire.
* High driving position
* Plenty of room in the back seat - more than a D4 that I have ridden in
* Boot is big enough
* As in the reviews - usb sockets & 12v sockets a plenty
* As in the reviews - plenty of storage space
* The rear-view mirror has it's own sun visor. (A simple but great idea)
* 360c camera was amazing.
* I didn't delve into the millions of menu options.. You would HAVE to read the instruction manual to get the best out of this car.
* Pannier - didn't take up too much of the side mirror
* Rode very smoothly - I tried it over rough roads, pot holes.
* Turning circle - not bad.
* I liked the fabric seats & textures of the interior
* I loved the look of it
* I loved the drive
* SWMBO loved it.

Negatives?

* Price - this one was $115k (I don't think that included on-road costs, I didn't ask)
* Obviously it will be very complex to maintain compared to an older Defender

Would I buy a 110? No - it's too big for me.

Would I buy a 90? See the classified section - I'm selling a kidney.

Oh and for the purists - the dealer had a lovely S1 in the showroom, complete with a stack of oil leaks!! [bigrolf][bigrolf]

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[jon3950]

How much do you want for the kidney? Got any photos?

I think its a pity they’re dropping the D240. Although the 6 cylinder diesel sounds more appealing, I can’t come at the idea of a mild hybrid - at least not yet.

[RobA]

Thanks any noticeable noise from the roof platform?

Rob

[grey_ghost]

Honestly no - I did notice a little noise around the a-pillar, which seems to be a common complaint overseas.

But it was so quiet compared to an old Defender.. Another planet. 🤣

[101RRS]

Clearly a very nice vehicle but the price for a 240 (any 240) is just over the top.

[INter674]

Price is high true..but look at the prices of lesser cars now...you're twin cab utes are getting up to 70 and 80k. New up market DMax has rear locker (wow) plus some new safety gear (to get the desired safety rating no doubt) and has increased by over 6k...no tow bar. New Hilux likewise is getting very expensive too...and don't mention Prado..79s and 200s prices which are mad for now literally very old cars by industry stds. Y62 at 85 and 105k are also high for a near 10 yo car.

So much for the promise of lower prices after the local industry was shafted.

[Vern]

Y62 closer to 72 and 85[emoji6].
If it was 85 (for the ti) i would seriously consider trading for the defender. Mmmmm P400

[INter674]

Y62 closer to 72 and 85[emoji6].
If it was 85 (for the ti) i would seriously consider trading for the defender. Mmmmm P400

Not in Hobart..those prices were on road inc delivery costs quoted to my son by the dealer last week...but yes b 4 haggling eg cash no trade would be lower...possibly up to 10k lower if the dealer is desperate enough.

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

So just a quick update on this..I asked the Dealer for some pricing (here in Vic) and well, it, stings..

Base 90 Defender - $71,500
P300 Petrol (221kw)
Paint (ANY colour other that White) costs $1,950
Tow Hitch $949
Dealer Delivery $2,495
Stamps $4,000
Registration $760
"Expect around $81,800 on road"
Normal warranty is 3 years 100,000km - but LRA are "CURRENTLY" offering another 2 years.

The dealer also mentioned a change in LCT (Luxury Car Tax).. Unless the Diesel is under 7L/100km (which I think would be impossible) - then regardless if you buy a Petrol or Diesel Defender, you're going to get stung..

Luxury car tax (LCT)


From 1 July 2020 the LCT threshold will increase to $ $68,740. (So the Defender is over it)
The LCT threshold for fuel efficient cars will increase to $77,565 for the 2020–21 financial year.
This is cars that have a combined cycle of less than 7lt/100km


Cheers,
GG.

[ozscott]

So another 2 yeara but still 100,000k?

[grey_ghost]

So another 2 yeara but still 100,000k?

Very good question - the dealer didn’t say, but I assume that you are correct.

[ozscott]

I think the 90 in base form isn't bad value if you only need that size vehicle. For my use I would need at least the 110 and realistically the 130 - but their prices put them at a price point that I don't think is good value. Cheers

[scarry]

So another 2 yeara but still 100,000k?

I bet the extra two years is not LR warranty,but done through a third party.

[ozscott]

I bet the extra two years is not LR warranty,but done through a third party.Agreed mate. Perhaps paid for by the dealer network or LRA. The lack of 150,000 and 7 years in today's modern production line world signals to me LR don't yet have confidence in their new product. Its a shame and a bit shameful. Cheers

[grey_ghost]

On FB there are a few new Defender groups.

The majority of owners are very happy.

But a few are repointing issues - mainly sat-nav, blue tooth pairing and a-pillar noises.

It’s a pity considering the price point...

[rar110]

From what I’ve read about the new defender, and it’s key features, there isn’t a direct competitor by another maker. I’m talking about all key features in a vehicle:
• power/torque similar
• size, passenger capacity, rear passenger space, cargo space
• permanent 4WD as standard mode, rather than option mode
• true 8 speed auto with dual transfer box
• not leaf spring suspension
• range.

I will add these as highly desirable features as highly desirable rather than a key feature, as these don’t feature on many 4WD vehicles:
• pre-programmed terrain settings
• air suspension, or other variable height.

Other features of other makes against the defender is (updated):
• regional dealer support
• 5 year manufacturer warranty (not through 3rd party).

[ozscott]

Yes but the same argument could be made for every new model LR have brought out. Yet they still don't offer a decent warranty and on a vehicle that complex and given LR's history for me money they are asking is crazy. Cheers

[rar110]

Yes but the same argument could be made for every new model LR have brought out. Yet they still don't offer a decent warranty and on a vehicle that complex and given LR's history for me money they are asking is crazy. Cheers

Yep 5 year warranty is another desirable, offered as standard by other manufacturers.

[INter674]

It will be interesting to see prices of the new 300s when eventually released and noting steady increase in prices of other new vehicles it will be no surprise if it takes another jump up.

Fact is new vehicle investment has to be recovered and invariably new vehicles have new features/tech. Eg for safety..which compared to say a new Defender is catch up in many regards. Omg..a rear locker in DMax ..6k increase thanks ...omg hill decent control in new Hilux...really...and paid pundits like Ronny Dahl make out these features are new. ..fantastic and unique to the sponsor.

At least Graham of 4wd247 had the decency to point out LRs innovations and brilliant capabilities years ago.

Unfortunately we are being taken backwards wrt some new vehicle attributes..a sort of start again eg with 4x4 dual cabs which compared to a 20yo Patrol or Disco are crap off road. But the masses are sheep so don't know any better and there's lots of money in modifying junk. Look at the average 70s/ Prado/Cruiser spend at ARB said to be over 10k.

Would I buy a new Defender..no not yet because our D4SC is so bloody good at everything we need it do. It still ****s on any other brand current offerings and its 5 years old. In say 3 years time...yes I will cause I suspect like the D4 the new Defender will be the best car for us.

[ozscott]

It will be interesting to see prices of the new 300s when eventually released and noting steady increase in prices of other new vehicles it will be no surprise if it takes another jump up.

Fact is new vehicle investment has to be recovered and invariably new vehicles have new features/tech. Eg for safety..which compared to say a new Defender is catch up in many regards. Omg..a rear locker in DMax ..6k increase thanks ...omg hill decent control in new Hilux...really...and paid pundits like Ronny Dahl make out these features are new. ..fantastic and unique to the sponsor.

At least Graham of 4wd247 had the decency to point out LRs innovations and brilliant capabilities years ago.

Unfortunately we are being taken backwards wrt some new vehicle attributes..a sort of start again eg with 4x4 dual cabs which compared to a 20yo Patrol or Disco are crap off road. But the masses are sheep so don't know any better and there's lots of money in modifying junk. Look at the average 70s/ Prado/Cruiser spend at ARB said to be over 10k.

Would I buy a new Defender..no not yet because our D4SC is so bloody good at everything we need it do. It still ****s on any other brand current offerings and its 5 years old. In say 3 years time...yes I will cause I suspect like the D4 the new Defender will be the best car for us.Rhonny's new Hilux is not a sponsorship vehicle.

You must not have driven a new dual cab with all the fruit offroad. They are very competent. It is easy to say well with leaf sprung rear and coil IFS they can't be much good but often they are very good even in stock form. And as for carrying heavy loads down low offroad they excel.

Cheers

[INter674]

Rhonny's new Hilux is not a sponsorship vehicle.

You must not have driven a new dual cab with all the fruit offroad. They are very competent. It is easy to say well with leaf sprung rear and coil IFS they can't be much good but often they are very good even in stock form. And as for carrying heavy loads down low offroad they excel.

Cheers

Mmm..yes I have and been on trips with them and seen how hopeless they are off road in std trim and how easy they break..eg CVs.. tcs..autos too. In so far as towing 3.5t..well they are just dangerous. ...check out Dash offroad re the Navara v Y62 tow comparison. Marketing is a wonderful thing.

You are kidding re Rhonny arn't you..how many times has he mentioned the dealership and some times he can't help himself saying if you can avoid rocks (in the Hilux) .. do so....front and rear approach/departure angles🤤. There's a build thread coming. Wonder how much of the gear he'll pay for😎.

Anyhow good on him and as he says that's what we are buying in huge numbers now and then spending heaps to makes them 'capable' and reliable....and that's all good content for the masses....and for Youtube/sponsor income. PS my sil depends on such vehicle mods for a living so I'm all for the aftermarket industry which employs thousands in Aus.

Sorry to go off track but looking at the Defender or even the D4/D5 features/capability compared to others you can see why they costs more new.

[ozscott]

Let's not raise reliability when comparing the modern crop of Thai built utes to LR mate. I am a Land Rover tragic but it is enlightening to own a well made dual cab ute and to compare first hand. As for breaking CV' all IFS IRS vehicles can do so and D3/4 are not immune. All independent suspension is a compromise offroad, so the DC utes in retaining a rear beam set up is of considerable benefit especially when heavily laden offroad.

When you say cost more new you mean 2 to 3 times more. And there is a large and growing number of people looking for less complexity, not paying more money for more complexity.

Cheers
PS I am not and won't be without at least 1 if not 2 LRs but mine are all beam axle and that won't change.

[Tombie]

Agreed mate. Perhaps paid for by the dealer network or LRA. The lack of 150,000 and 7 years in today's modern production line world signals to me LR don't yet have confidence in their new product. Its a shame and a bit shameful. Cheers

In Thailand ANY vehicle comes with 12 months... that’s it.

[ozscott]

In Thailand ANY vehicle comes with 12 months... that’s it.I have read that before. It is crazy stuff.

If LR upped their warranty to 150,000 and 7 years they would sell a lot more, but I suppose they have done their projections and don't like how the numbers (their costs of replacing components and troubleshooting versus extra sales) add up.

Cheers

[scarry]

In Thailand ANY vehicle comes with 12 months... that’s it.

In '99,Land Rover warranty was 2yrs,50 000Km.

All others were 3yrs,100 000K.

EDIt Tojo is 5yrs unlimited,another 2yrs unlimited on drive train.

That should be a minimum on any vehicle these days.

[101RRS]

All independent suspension is a compromise offroad,

Might be the case in cheap jap designed utes but is not a valid statement overall - IFS in vehicles like the HUMvee, Pinsgauer and Haflinger is certainly not compromised.

It is not the design that is compromised but how it is executed.

[TB]

Nah, look I like my D4 a whole lot but it's fair to say that in engineering everything is a compromise, and that includes independent suspension.

For example: I get to keep my diff higher for better clearance, but now I need CVs and that restricts my suspension travel compared to having a rigid axle on coils.

Compromise doesn't mean it's all negative. Just a different set of pros and cons. You have to pick the one that matters most for your circumstances.

[weeman]

Rhonny's new Hilux is not a sponsorship vehicle.

You must not have driven a new dual cab with all the fruit offroad. They are very competent. It is easy to say well with leaf sprung rear and coil IFS they can't be much good but often they are very good even in stock form. And as for carrying heavy loads down low offroad they excel.

Cheers


Looks like Ronny managed to get a new Defender from a local dealer for a day or 2 and is going to do a mini review of sorts. Hopefully it makes it up to his channel in the next week or so and will be interesting to see how he rates it compared with his stock Hilux.

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[ozscott]

Keen to see what he makes of it. I think he will like it.

In the meantime, Mitsubishi is offering a 10 year, 200,000klm warranty on new Tritons with 10 year 150,000 capped price services (provided that you get it serviced at Mitsu dealerships). I understand this still has to pass the ACCC but at the very least demonstrates a high level of confidence in their product (and for me under a 7 years, 150,000k warranty - and servicing at Mitsu, I would have a good claim for warranty recognition out to 10 years and 200,000klm - ie on the basis that they have set the benchmark for the minimum expected lifespan off the product without failures).

Land Rover are being left further behind this area - and its a big area.

Cheers

[INter674]

Looks like Ronny managed to get a new Defender from a local dealer for a day or 2 and is going to do a mini review of sorts. Hopefully it makes it up to his channel in the next week or so and will be interesting to see how he rates it compared with his stock Hilux.

165068

Ronny is usually straight up and down on reviews so looking forward to his view. But.....like the other 4wd Youtubers it's no good to him cause it's not main stream and not in the high build/mod arena ..so no value in content creation. Hence the new Hilux.

Btw..sil said the new Dmax and BT50 clone can't be fitted with ladder racks due to the collision avoidance sensors going off. As fabricators they are facing diminishing returns with many modern vehicles due to safety tech unable to be turned off or removed 😐

[INter674]

Let's not raise reliability when comparing the modern crop of Thai built utes to LR mate. I am a Land Rover tragic but it is enlightening to own a well made dual cab ute and to compare first hand. As for breaking CV' all IFS IRS vehicles can do so and D3/4 are not immune. All independent suspension is a compromise offroad, so the DC utes in retaining a rear beam set up is of considerable benefit especially when heavily laden offroad.

When you say cost more new you mean 2 to 3 times more. And there is a large and growing number of people looking for less complexity, not paying more money for more complexity.

Cheers
PS I am not and won't be without at least 1 if not 2 LRs but mine are all beam axle and that won't change.

Agree re the complexity view...and it costing jobs in fabrication..already is due to eg collision avoidance systems...360deg cameras....multiple air bags etc. My boys are collecting older Patrols to avoid high tech. At least that's their excuse🤣

2 to 3 times the cost...mmm..new lux etc are approaching 70 plus and still with basic stuff eg drum brakes..leafies ..noisy engines etc. At least interiors have improved and handling is much better nowadays.

[INter674]

Keen to see what he makes of it. I think he will like it.

In the meantime, Mitsubishi is offering a 10 year, 200,000klm warranty on new Tritons with 10 year 150,000 capped price services (provided that you get it serviced at Mitsu dealerships). I understand this still has to pass the ACCC but at the very least demonstrates a high level of confidence in their product (and for me under a 7 years, 150,000k warranty - and servicing at Mitsu, I would have a good claim for warranty recognition out to 10 years and 200,000klm - ie on the basis that they have set the benchmark for the minimum expected lifespan off the product without failures).

Land Rover are being left further behind this area - and its a big area.

Cheers

Obligatory servicing at Mitso would be a constraint of trade I suspect.

Otherwise it does show what consumers are looking for in these days of dodgy diesels and mysterious electronics!

[DiscoDB]

The problem with extended warranties on relatively low volume sales is JLR would have to build this into the price.

It would certainly be an incentive to make the vehicles more reliable to start with, but I bet they would increase the amount of servicing required given they now carry the risk.

[Tombie]

Ronny is usually straight up and down on reviews so looking forward to his view. But.....like the other 4wd Youtubers it's no good to him cause it's not main stream and not in the high build/mod arena ..so no value in content creation. Hence the new Hilux.

Btw..sil said the new Dmax and BT50 clone can't be fitted with ladder racks due to the collision avoidance sensors going off. As fabricators they are facing diminishing returns with many modern vehicles due to safety tech unable to be turned off or removed [emoji52]

Just need to think outside the box on rack design.

Easily built to not be mounted forward - which is against ADRs unless an exemption has been granted.

[scarry]

The problem with extended warranties on relatively low volume sales is JLR would have to build this into the price.

It would certainly be an incentive to make the vehicles more reliable to start with, but I bet they would increase the amount of servicing required given they now carry the risk.


Which is exactly what the big players have done for years,that’s why they lead the sales race.

The big issue for some is the newer ‘Lemon Laws’.

Unfortunately for some owners it’s too late.

There have been about 18 cases so far,with LR,Ford,Mercedes,VW,and a few others in the figures.
Seems the big players,with the high sales are not represented.
Percentage wise,it’s the European manufacturers that seem to have the issues.

[Homestar]

Rhonny's new Hilux is not a sponsorship vehicle.

You must not have driven a new dual cab with all the fruit offroad. They are very competent. It is easy to say well with leaf sprung rear and coil IFS they can't be much good but often they are very good even in stock form. And as for carrying heavy loads down low offroad they excel.

Cheers

I think they are terrible off road - mine is hopeless and others I’ve used equally so. I got mine stuck on some wet grass once - yes, it only has all terrains but it takes friggin ages to engage 4WD and the diff lock. I wouldn’t consider it a serious off roader at all myself. My 35 year old Rangie and 45 year old 101 run rings around it.

[101RRS]

Here is a good buy - less than 100miles on it

https://www.copart.com/lot/47721430/2020-land-rover-defender-110-se-ga-atlanta-north

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[INter674]

Just need to think outside the box on rack design.

Easily built to not be mounted forward - which is against ADRs unless an exemption has been granted.

Yes but the cost will be higher and not what the customer typically wants or is used too. Sil's business have suffeted agro already cause "geez..the salesman didn't tell me that".

But...there's always some smart person out there to work a solution eg to turn off the offending systems...but at a cost🙄

[ozscott]

I think they are terrible off road - mine is hopeless and others I’ve used equally so. I got mine stuck on some wet grass once - yes, it only has all terrains but it takes friggin ages to engage 4WD and the diff lock. I wouldn’t consider it a serious off roader at all myself. My 35 year old Rangie and 45 year old 101 run rings around it.Comparing my top spec Triton (highway tyres) with my modified and lifted D2 with CDL and 31inch Duratracs the factory Triton with an aggressive multi mode traction control and rear diff lock is not embarrassed. And the Triton can comfortably take a fair bit more weight doing it. I'm very impressed with it. Sure the clearance isn't as good but nothing hangs down in the Triton. The SuperSelect II makes it the same as driving a modern LR (other utes havent got that) and it goes into 4 low, CDL, and rear diff lock very quickly if you know how to drive it.

Cheers

[INter674]

Super select has always been a good reliable system. Hopefully they will stick with it and not cheapen the drive train. Think you have the pick of the utes there....with early engines issues now sorted and styling finally looking quite good.

I had an early model Triton as a work car..it nearly crippled me with crap seats...brakes and suspension. I swapped it out after 3 months.

Clearly Mitsu has worked very hard to improve them both on road and off road. ..with a sort of LR traction system😎

[SimmAus]

Here is a good buy - less than 100miles on it

https://www.copart.com/lot/47721430/2020-land-rover-defender-110-se-ga-atlanta-north

165095

“Headlights faults detected”.....an understatement if ever I heard one...

[Bulletman]

So from what I read , the test drive Defender was $115k , unsure if that was drive away.... One can only wonder what market LR is chasing , main competitors in that price range would be - New Discovery - Range Rover - Lexus ( unsure if they have a true 4x4 ) - top of the range Land Cruiser.. I am sure there are a few others in there.

Makes you wonder where LR head is if its taking away sales from its own brand... Sadly the D3 will likely be my last LR after buying my first 1 in the early 90s.

Bulletman

[rar110]

The one I looked at yesterday was $106k drive away, with partial leather seats, roof rack, snorkel and side box (not sure about benefit of this extra).

Overall I was impressed, very roomy inside. But I didn’t drive it.

I can see the D5 and RRS would be in the same market niche. I can see the new 110 appealing to many D3/4 owners who don’t like the D5, and some Defender owners.

[scarry]

Sadly the D3 will likely be my last LR after buying my first 1 in the early 90s.

Bulletman

I hear you loud and clear.

My D4 is the same,i have made the decision,negotiating the sale with a Forum member ATM.

Its a shame,LR have nothing that suits,the new Deefer may have done,but i needed something before 31/12/20,to qualify for the 100% asset write off,which saves our company a huge amount of $.

Bought the first one in '99,been around them all my life,the S1 in my sig was the first vehicle i ever travelled in,and the only vehicle my parents had for the first 10yrs of my life.Then a Rover 75 was added,then a two door Classic.

Hopefully the new vehicle will be fine,which i am sure it will be,in 5 yrs time,will see what else is around,particularly the new Deefer.

On a side note,been looking on the Deefer UK sites,seem to be quite a few silly issues with them,similar issues that D5 are having,which isn't good.
Sure, its a new vehicle,but these days,i don't believe its acceptable.
Other manufacturers can do so much better with this type of thing,LR 'should' be able to do the same.

[INter674]

Issues seem to be software related from what I've read..so should be relatively easy to resolve.

[Discodicky]

I hear you loud and clear.

My D4 is the same,i have made the decision,negotiating the sale with a Forum member ATM.

Its a shame,LR have nothing that suits,the new Deefer may have done,but i needed something before 31/12/20,to qualify for the 100% asset write off,which saves our company a huge amount of $.

Bought the first one in '99,been around them all my life,the S1 in my sig was the first vehicle i ever travelled in,and the only vehicle my parents had for the first 10yrs of my life.Then a Rover 75 was added,then a two door Classic.

Hopefully the new vehicle will be fine,which i am sure it will be,in 5 yrs time,will see what else is around,particularly the new Deefer.

On a side note,been looking on the Deefer UK sites,seem to be quite a few silly issues with them,similar issues that D5 are having,which isn't good.
Sure, its a new vehicle,but these days,i don't believe its acceptable.
Other manufacturers can do so much better with this type of thing,LR 'should' be able to do the same.

Yes, LR should be able to do same, but who'd want to copy Hilux DPF problems (my eldest son has been invited to join a class action as he bought a new one in Feb this year) Ranger 10 speed auto box problems, Mazda diesel engine problems and on it goes.
Such is the cost of design and development these days they are all under extreme pressure from the business accountants to get their vehicles on the road and sold asap prior full development if necessary, in order to maintain some sort of cash flow to survive and assist with further development.

[scarry]

Issues seem to be software related from what I've read..so should be relatively easy to resolve.

Thats one of the many issues,that they don't seem to be able to solve.
Doesn't seem easy at all,its been going on for years in D5.[bigsad]

[scarry]

Yes, LR should be able to do same, but who'd want to copy Hilux DPF problems (my eldest son has been invited to join a class action as he bought a new one in Feb this year) Ranger 10 speed auto box problems, Mazda diesel engine problems and on it goes.
Such is the cost of design and development these days they are all under extreme pressure from the business accountants to get their vehicles on the road and sold asap prior full development if necessary, in order to maintain some sort of cash flow to survive and assist with further development.

But % wise,the others just don't have the issues,particularly the Jap and Thailand built vehicles.
The Tojo class action will never go ahead.Unlike the huge fines both Ford Aus and VW paid in the last few years.

As for DPF's,had them in our work vans for years,not one issue.

[Bulletman]

Yes, LR should be able to do same, but who'd want to copy Hilux DPF problems (my eldest son has been invited to join a class action as he bought a new one in Feb this year) Ranger 10 speed auto box problems, Mazda diesel engine problems and on it goes.
Such is the cost of design and development these days they are all under extreme pressure from the business accountants to get their vehicles on the road and sold asap prior full development if necessary, in order to maintain some sort of cash flow to survive and assist with further development.

The problem is L/R is starting from the bottom of the ladder in regards to reliability reputation , doesnt matter if its correct or not , in the pub test L/R is the pits , so they need to do it better than others from the start if they wish to change that perception.

When they can compete with the Pajero for drive away price , i will look at their newer products but at north of $90k they have put themselves in a very limited market. Sure the Pajero isnt as capable will be the arguement , but not everyone buys a 4wd for serious stuff , most are just the weekend warrior coupled with the daily driver.

Anyway its all been hashed out before , but when people fork out their hard earned on a new vehicle no matter what brand , they dont want any issues , be it as you described above or software , it all takes away from the enjoyment of the purchase.

Bulletman

[INter674]

Agree..they all have issues of some sort..there's no such thing as a perfect car esp new cars with new tech. Proven cars tend to be run out models which many buyers don't want cause they're not 'new' and lose value quickly and have fewer features and refinements.

A friend has found that out with his new Paj..sure it's proven and should be reliable but it looks and feels dated. He's already planning lots of mods to improve power, throttle response and off road ability. A path well trodden by most 4wdrivers😎

Interestingly he did a comparison with a new police Prado and found both were about the same off road but the Prado was quieter and smoother on road. The Paj was slightly faster and better handling and has more features..eg better sound system. I guess their similarity reflects the age of the designs and the target audience...eg soccer mums for the yota..retirees for the Paj.

..I won't mention the LC200s teething issues and ongoing dusting issues snd chassis cracking issues oh and alt and starter probs..again🙄

[scarry]

..I won't mention the LC200s teething issues and ongoing dusting issues snd chassis cracking issues oh and alt and starter probs..again🙄

And yet i have mates that have had,them,some done over 300 000K's with not a single issue.

Also a doctor that changes them over every 3 to 4 yrs,never had an issue,ever.He also owns a huge sheep station,so it does a lot of off road work.On his 12th LC ATM.
One did burn to the ground,due to grass caught around the exhaust while out shooting one night.First and last petrol he ever had.

What you see here and there,are a few,very small % of vehicles sold,and there are often reasons that the issues have occurred that are not documented,and not related to the actual vehicle,using after market filters,huge tunes,blah,blah.

Whatever you do,don't look up faults on google for Land Rovers,its all false info[bighmmm][thumbsupbig]
Their reputation speaks for itself.[bighmmm][biggrin]

[Homestar]

Comparing my top spec Triton (highway tyres) with my modified and lifted D2 with CDL and 31inch Duratracs the factory Triton with an aggressive multi mode traction control and rear diff lock is not embarrassed. And the Triton can comfortably take a fair bit more weight doing it. I'm very impressed with it. Sure the clearance isn't as good but nothing hangs down in the Triton. The SuperSelect II makes it the same as driving a modern LR (other utes havent got that) and it goes into 4 low, CDL, and rear diff lock very quickly if you know how to drive it.

Cheers

Was referring to the Hilux only with my comments, haven't driven a Triton off road (well not a newish one - last one I had as a daily was a 97 model (in 97...) [biggrin]. If I had to lay down my own cash on a dual cab, the new Triton would be where my money would go for sure.

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Well Paul I'm not going backwards to any Toyota of any type....no matter what bricks you throw at LRs.

We love our D4...it's simply brilliant..even my one eyed nissan sons and daughters agree..it's best car we ever bought..no current or I bet future Toyota model comes close to the D4's overall package.

Nuff said😉

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Well Paul I'm not going backwards to any Toyota of any type....no matter what bricks you throw at LRs.

We love our D4...it's simply brilliant..even my one eyed nissan sons and daughters agree..it's best car we ever bought..no current or I bet future Toyota model comes close to the D4's overall package.

Nuff said😉

Report back after having it 10yrs and let us know how it goes.

Keep throwing bricks,and a lot of garbage, at other brands,and they will return.

Hopefully the situation is now clear[tonguewink][bighmmm]