NTbto power Singapore

[DiscoMick]

This is big-time thinking.

Australian outback cattle station to house world's largest solar farm, powering Singapore | Environment | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/21/australian-outback-cattle-station-to-house-worlds-largest-solar-farm-powering-singapore?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)

[Tombie]

Interesting project.

I wonder if the implications/effects of reflected radiation have ever been calculated/modelled based on such a highly reflective surface area.

[Slunnie]

Interesting project.

I wonder if the implications/effects of reflected radiation have ever been calculated/modelled based on such a highly reflective surface area.

Being in the middle of nowhere, its probably far less of a problem than other solar farms and home systems.

[DiscoMick]

Politically speaking, it might be good if Australia had the ability to turn off 20% of Singapore's power supply at any time. Might cause them to be nicer to us.

[Tombie]

Being in the middle of nowhere, its probably far less of a problem than other solar farms and home systems.

Then also, it’s becoming the man made equivalent of salt lakes - vast reflective surfaces aiming back towards the atmosphere.

Like all human beings endeavours I have a hunch we’re just moving from one problem to the next - time will tell.

[Tombie]

Politically speaking, it might be good if Australia had the ability to turn off 20% of Singapore's power supply at any time. Might cause them to be nicer to us.

So you’re a proponent of stand over tactics and blackmail...

Good to know [emoji41]

[PerthDisco]

This just doesn’t make sense to me. You want cheap solar power in the peak demand period typically when people come home late afternoon early evening.

WA has no time zone differential with Singapore. It’s getting dark here when it gets dark there. This alternates also more so than Singapore since they are on the equator and get even daylight hours through the year.

That’s one big heavy and expensive subsea cable/s in some of the deepest ocean through Indo also to carry the power.

On the other hand - a cheaper surface cable overland to the east coast NEM grid gives 2-3 hours of sunlight advantage to the East Coast late afternoon peak demand period given the sun sets in the West. From 3pm onward the East Coast is getting the full blast of the midday WA sun.

I just don’t get the logic of this heavily touted Singapore connection unless their power demand is flatter than ours during the mid day.

[Slunnie]

This just doesn’t make sense to me. You want cheap solar power in the peak demand period typically when people come home late afternoon early evening.

WA has no time zone differential with Singapore. It’s getting dark here when it gets dark there. This alternates also more so than Singapore since they are on the equator and get even daylight hours through the year.

That’s one big heavy and expensive subsea cable/s in some of the deepest ocean through Indo also to carry the power.

On the other hand - a cheaper surface cable overland to the east coast NEM grid gives 2-3 hours of sunlight advantage to the East Coast late afternoon peak demand period given the sun sets in the West.

I just don’t get the logic of this heavily touted Singapore connection unless their power demand is flatter than ours during the mid day.

It doesn't have to be perfect to make a difference.

[cjc_td5]

Its got me stumped how they can get a good enough business case to run it with 4500km of undersea cabling, but it can't stack up with 1-2000km of overland cabling to service our own east coast... Maybe its not a level playing field...

[PerthDisco]

Its got me stumped how they can get a good enough business case to run it with 4500km of undersea cabling, but it can't stack up with 1-2000km of overland cabling to service our own east coast... Maybe its not a level playing field...

Yep I’ll believe it when I see it. There’s no money in providing off peak power

[DiscoMick]

I guess Singapore doesn't have the land to install enough solar to do the job, so it has to import the power. It's in their peak daytime period when they need extra power.
I mean, they are so resource-poor they import their water from Malaysia.

[Slunnie]

I guess Singapore doesn't have the land to install enough solar to do the job, so it has to import the power. It's in their peak daytime period when they need extra power.
I mean, they are so resource-poor they import their water from Malaysia.

They have no resources. We went over for work to do some stuff with them, they were saying their countries resources is people. I'm not sure if they put them on watt bikes or something. :lol2:

[Arapiles]

I guess Singapore doesn't have the land to install enough solar to do the job, so it has to import the power. It's in their peak daytime period when they need extra power.
I mean, they are so resource-poor they import their water from Malaysia.

... And turned what used to be part of their port into a freshwater reservoir in case Malaysia turns off the taps.

[travelrover]

... And turned what used to be part of their port into a freshwater reservoir in case Malaysia turns off the taps.

Malaysia is turning the water off I think around 2030 but singapore will be self sufficient well before then. And sand is a strategic asset, I lived there for 5 years (2007-12) and there were massive piles of white sand out around Changi that they used to import from Indonesia until it was band due to environmental concerns.

[Old Farang]

World's largest renewable energy project proposed for north-west Australia ditches electricity in favour of ammonia exports
World'''s largest renewable energy project proposed for north-west Australia ditches electricity in favour of ammonia exports - ABC News (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/renewable-energy-hub-ditches-asian-cable-for-ammonia/12862916)

An international green energy company planning to build the world's largest wind-and-solar power generator in the Australian outback, has ditched plans to send electricity through thousands of kilometres of undersea cables to Singapore, despite receiving environmental approvals.

The Asian Renewable Energy Hub is now hoping instead to use the proposed facility, to be located in the north West Australian desert, to produce ammonia for export instead of electricity.

[DiscoMick]

Interesting change of approach.

[NavyDiver]

Interesting to note one of the big wigs in the undersea cable is now the boss of the WA worlds biggest ever Green power/ ammonia/ hydrogen project ....

Her chat about the under sea cable and why it WAS a good idea at the time was fascinating. It changed and reasons are just as interesting I felt.

Have a listen perhaps Giga-watt it takes to scale green hydrogen (and ammonia) - Alicia Eastman of InterContinental Energy - Everything About Hydrogen | Podcast on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/5gR9DMnmabYWtm2Hc2yYA7'si=s-Mon96gTrqo9c3g4P-96g&nd=1)