Calamity, Concern, or just slit my wrists (Auto Trans Issues)

[gavinwibrow]

The background
Last weekend I finally ordered and installed 3 GAPTool updates for my 2.7L, namely Terrain Response, Auto Trans and Transfer Case as suggested by Tombie many months ago. I had one uploading issue with the Transfer Case which Patrick from GAPTool quickly resolved for me.
I've also posted before about a partial auto trans limp mode that had occurred now and again whilst towing my 3.5T block of flats when the ATF got a bit warm and there was some heavier pulling involved.

However this weekend we went to Kalbarri (600 km each way), with no towing and about 100 km from home on the return trip, whilst travelling through a construction zone at 50 kmph, I had my first real limp mode experience. I stopped and restarted, took off again and then had several re-occurrences, finally deciding to clear the faults and drive on with feathering the accelerator. I had previously done a few full accelerator overtaking efforts during the day, and wondered if that might have been a contributing factor, especially as after taking the feathering approach I made it safely home without further incident.
Generally travelled at speed of 110 kmph, ambient temp up to 30, EGT hovering around 400, coolant around 90, engine oil temp around 96, ATF around 84 and TC around 50, so pretty normal.

The trans has now done 275K km, apparently mainly highway running before my recent 30K km towing efforts, but was earlier rebuilt by the local dealer whilst still with the PO at about 160K km under warranty (no, don't know any details). I can't see how my recent 500Nm remap, or i-Drive accelerator fitting could have any impact.

I'm now wondering if I'm soon to be up for a replacement transmission, or maybe "just" a valve body rebuild, or whether I should just slit my wrists and be done with it?

I'll hang fire for a few days for any advice from here, then most likely contact the ever reliable Cameron at Auto Trans R Us in Balcatta!!!

Any suggestions/relevant comments from the wise?

[discorevy]

Any codes Gavin ?, blood letting not necessary

[libertyts]

Hey Gav,

Mate, I feel yeah pain. Would love to take ya out for a beer to get you through it!

Any codes would be good as always.

It actually sounds like my issue and something a number of us have had over the years. Going into limp mode and shows "Transmission Fault". However, it's often not. For a good chunk of us it's fuel system related. ie. Low pressure fuel pump (LPFP), high pressure fuel pump (HPFP), fuel rail pressure sensor or a combination of them.

For me, the fuel rail pressure sensor was diagnosed as the fault and, due to the fact I'm still learning about this fancy D4 thing, the indy replaced the rail as "you can't buy the sensor separately". Should have trusted my gut there, because that's complete rubbish. LR advise not to change the sensor separately (likely due to liability over anything else) and don't sell it themselves. However, it is readily available elsewhere.

I had the disco fault one more a couple of weeks after that (not entirely sure why), but otherwise it's been good for months [knocking wood so hard my knuckles are bleeding!].

I'll be honest, I'm not sure the problem is gone, just hiding. Though that's partially due to the fact that I've got done issues trusting the particular indy at the moment...

Most people seem to find that it's their HPFP though unfortunately from my reading. I think the consensus is to change sensor, then LPFP, then HPFP. Starting cheap and moving up.

Noting you've done the tune, it's possible you've now brought forward a slowly failing fuel item now that you are demanding a little more from her. It seems this issue can just every so slowly get worse and some seem to put up with it for months or even years.

I've learnt a whole lot about this vehicle and engine of late. Not sure I particularly wanted to. My D1's are enough work. Hahaha

Good luck bud and let us know how you go.

[ATH]

"Generally travelled at speed of 110 kmph," Now now Gavin. If you were travelling at this speed you were breaking the law as it applies in WA. 100 max for ALL towing vehicles. Plus of course the poor vehicle was working hard to tow that thing you have behind it.
No doubt the 2.7 or 3ltr have the power to do it but it must put a strain on the transmission especially on longish distances and in hot weather. Curb that right foot and don't carry so much grog and she'll be right. :)
AlanH.

[libertyts]

Hahaha, leave the poor fella alone... He owns an LR, sometimes ya just need a drink... Or 10! [emoji14]

As for towing, he did say he wasn't towing when this happened. :)

[Tombie]

"Generally travelled at speed of 110 kmph," Now now Gavin. If you were travelling at this speed you were breaking the law as it applies in WA. 100 max for ALL towing vehicles. Plus of course the poor vehicle was working hard to tow that thing you have behind it.
No doubt the 2.7 or 3ltr have the power to do it but it must put a strain on the transmission especially on longish distances and in hot weather. Curb that right foot and don't carry so much grog and she'll be right. :)
AlanH.

He wasn’t towing at the time [emoji13]

And towing at 110 isn’t an issue as far as the vehicle. Do it all the time here - where it is legal.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Gav, I have had the red triangle previously when or shortly after overtaking using a heavy right foot. Mine was injector related at the time. A side trip to Whyatts LR in Geraldton sorted that out.

At your mileage (the car, not you....🤣) id be thinking HPFP or valve body rebuild... a flow test on the injectors would also not go astray as a first step.

[DiscoJeffster]

Codes. You just bought an IID tool so what are the codes!! Read the codes to avoid having to get out the crystal ball.

[gavinwibrow]

"Generally travelled at speed of 110 kmph," Now now Gavin. If you were travelling at this speed you were breaking the law as it applies in WA. 100 max for ALL towing vehicles. Plus of course the poor vehicle was working hard to tow that thing you have behind it.
No doubt the 2.7 or 3ltr have the power to do it but it must put a strain on the transmission especially on longish distances and in hot weather. Curb that right foot and don't carry so much grog and she'll be right. :)
AlanH.


Gotcha - read on McDuff.
This time was travelling with NO tow behind - plus I'm not crazy enough to pull a 3.5T of non slipstreaming block of flats at anything over 100 with a 2.7L D4, and almost always quite a bit less.

[gavinwibrow]

Hahaha, leave the poor fella alone... He owns an LR, sometimes ya just need a drink... Or 10! [emoji14]

As for towing, he did say he wasn't towing when this happened. :)

Alan and I for our sins were both bus drivers for Perth public transport at some stage in our younger days, so we know how to treat each other [bighmmm]

[gavinwibrow]

Codes. You just bought an IID tool so what are the codes!! Read the codes to avoid having to get out the crystal ball.

Thanks to all for the feedback.

Re codes - I did say "finally deciding to clear the faults and drive on with feathering the accelerator."

I haven't re-checked, but was of the understanding that after I had cleared the codes I could not get them back. If I've missed that part after having read the manual cover to cover, please point me in the right direction.

As an aside, looks like I'm another heading down the HPFP direction. My pretty comprehensive maintenance records show no past fuel pump related "activities" so guess at 275Kkm I'm now in that zone.

[Ferret]

I haven't re-checked, but was of the understanding that after I had cleared the codes I could not get them back. If I've missed that part after having read the manual cover to cover, please point me in the right direction.

Email them to yourself before clearing them. That way you have a record of what they are.

[Tombie]

Or a simple screenshot of the device.

[DiscoJeffster]

Or a simple screenshot of the device.

That all I do. And don’t forget to go into options and select “pending” errors else you’ll miss many of them

[gavinwibrow]

.

As an aside, looks like I'm another heading down the HPFP direction. My pretty comprehensive maintenance records show no past fuel pump related "activities" so guess at 275Kkm I'm now in that zone.


Just checked and found this under 2.7L Engine Faults - the only fault present apart from the one below, and nothing in Pending.

P2290-00 (68) Injector control pressure too low.

There was also a BCM fault about a transponder, probably from when I tried to start the engine this morning with the key too far away.

[libertyts]

Thanks to all for the feedback.

Re codes - I did say "finally deciding to clear the faults and drive on with feathering the accelerator."

I haven't re-checked, but was of the understanding that after I had cleared the codes I could not get them back. If I've missed that part after having read the manual cover to cover, please point me in the right direction.

As an aside, looks like I'm another heading down the HPFP direction. My pretty comprehensive maintenance records show no past fuel pump related "activities" so guess at 275Kkm I'm now in that zone.Sorry mate, was just hoping you had saved them. I still haven't picked up my GAP IID Tool yet, so wasn't sure if the app saved any codes read in a report or something. Some OBD apps I've had in the past saved the codes for me each time I read them so I could refer to them at a later date once I'd cleared and moved on.

Maybe one of the other fellas that have used it a bit know of they are saved somewhere special or not.

Unfortunately, with the HPFP, it tends to be a bit of trial and error to diagnose it on most cases. There are some reasonably easy tests that a decent Indy can perform on the fuel pressure sensor and the LPFP to rule them in or out. Essentially eliminate those as a problem before move to the HPFP.

It'd be nice if you didn't have to replace it, but at 275k, there is a higher than nil chance that it will need doing at some stage. I don't know too many common-rail diesels that make it through 300k without at least a little work on the HPFP.

Keep at it bud. :)

[ATH]

Your sins are known to us all Gavin, mine of course are not the type to be published for all and sundry to read. :O
AlanH.

[josh.huber]

Hey Gav,

Mate, I feel yeah pain. Would love to take ya out for a beer to get you through it!

Any codes would be good as always.

It actually sounds like my issue and something a number of us have had over the years. Going into limp mode and shows "Transmission Fault". However, it's often not. For a good chunk of us it's fuel system related. ie. Low pressure fuel pump (LPFP), high pressure fuel pump (HPFP), fuel rail pressure sensor or a combination of them.

For me, the fuel rail pressure sensor was diagnosed as the fault and, due to the fact I'm still learning about this fancy D4 thing, the indy replaced the rail as "you can't buy the sensor separately". Should have trusted my gut there, because that's complete rubbish. LR advise not to change the sensor separately (likely due to liability over anything else) and don't sell it themselves. However, it is readily available elsewhere.

I had the disco fault one more a couple of weeks after that (not entirely sure why), but otherwise it's been good for months [knocking wood so hard my knuckles are bleeding!].

I'll be honest, I'm not sure the problem is gone, just hiding. Though that's partially due to the fact that I've got done issues trusting the particular indy at the moment...

Most people seem to find that it's their HPFP though unfortunately from my reading. I think the consensus is to change sensor, then LPFP, then HPFP. Starting cheap and moving up.

Noting you've done the tune, it's possible you've now brought forward a slowly failing fuel item now that you are demanding a little more from her. It seems this issue can just every so slowly get worse and some seem to put up with it for months or even years.

I've learnt a whole lot about this vehicle and engine of late. Not sure I particularly wanted to. My D1's are enough work. Hahaha

Good luck bud and let us know how you go.

You can buy the rail pressure sensor genuine. They just don't list it for that engine. It's the same as a l494 from memory. I can dig out the receipt from when I bought I've genuine. LR didn't know it. But I was able to cross reference it and order from the dealer.

[loanrangie]

You can buy the rail pressure sensor genuine. They just don't list it for that engine. It's the same as a l494 from memory. I can dig out the receipt from when I bought I've genuine. LR didn't know it. But I was able to cross reference it and order from the dealer.I have seen one recently during some searching for return line orings.

[libertyts]

Yeah, they are easy enough to get hold of. I found out afterwards (was rushed for time and travelling for work so the indy got the job) that they were wrong. After only 10/15mins of the Googling. Frustrating, as that rail is NOT cheap, though he did at least source a second-hand one.

The sensor itself is cheap, so if any codes thrown relate to fuel pressure I would just go ahead and replace it. It's a bit of a nuisance to do and you have to make sure it's done carefully as it is in the high pressure rail, but it is definitely DIY-able. Whether it will solve the issue is arguable. Knock on wood, mine has stopped faulting, but I get the feeling I've probably just delayed the real issue.

[josh.huber]

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There ya go Gavin. $230 when I bought mine. But then again Mine's a 3L so you might to check it out

[Eric SDV6SE]

Also suggest to get your injectors flow tested, cheaper than a hpfp replacement

[DUCKSNUTS]

"Generally travelled at speed of 110 kmph," Now now Gavin. If you were travelling at this speed you were breaking the law as it applies in WA. 100 max for ALL towing vehicles. Plus of course the poor vehicle was working hard to tow that thing you have behind it.
No doubt the 2.7 or 3ltr have the power to do it but it must put a strain on the transmission especially on longish distances and in hot weather. Curb that right foot and don't carry so much grog and she'll be right. :)
AlanH.

You sound like fun.
Having lived in Broome for years every 3 months I drove my D3 Broome to Bunbury return and always sat on 135kph from Broome to just north of Perth and cops would just wave to slow down or flash their lights, never a ticket. Have even been overtaken by Police no lights flashing while doing my 135 for them to disappear in the distance.
No way does towing at 100 or 110 put any strain on a trans worth any note. Thats why the car is rated for 3.5 tonne towing up hill down dale and its rated that only due to braking and weight swinging, not the transmission. I never overheated even in 50C and my daily distances were always 1500-1700kms a hit at 135kph so no its not a trans issue. Its a ZF that goes behind Turbo Fords and other way more powerful cars.
I have rebuilt transmissions for many years not just guessing. I also add myself the Ford pan and flush early and regular, don't ever believe LR sealed for life.

[DUCKSNUTS]

As a couple of others have said, get the fault code YOURSELF not the mechanic. Limp mode does not mean trans most of the time. It is a very strong trans and the engine is weak. Already mentioned that fault code can be anything else like suspension potentiometer ($35 and 5 minutes to change yourself), overloaded on roof rack setting it off, flat tyre even sets it off. Just because it says limp mode on screen dont freak out you are up for a trans listening to ppl who dont know..
Change the trans pan to Ford ZF pan. It allows you to change the trans filter easily and I flush regular as all auto/electronic trans should. It is a cheap upgrade. Shop around for trans fluid. I get it by the 20 litre myself not a shop and take it to be flushed and get it back as it only uses a small amount.
Dont leave improving and what needs addressing up to a shop unless you need to get rid of money is my 5c, devalued to 2c today on the market
[biggrin].

[Cashwood]

Had similar issues with my 2.7 after 110K km's. Restricted Performance followed by Gearbox Fault. Under diagnosis, Codes pointed to actual transmission sync issues and got an exchange rebuilt transmission. Gearbox was definitely an issue as it would hesitate on take off etc.

All good for a month or so, then same errors popped up. Restricted Performance followed by Gearbox Fault. Took it back for diagnosis and codes now pointed to fuel pressure issue. Replace HP pump and rails/sensor and it has been fine ever since. Two expensive exercises, but hopefully good for another 100,000k's.

Moral to the story, "Restricted Performance followed by Gearbox Fault" can mean many things. You need to see the codes to work out the actual problem.

[libertyts]

As a couple of others have said, get the fault code YOURSELF not the mechanic. Limp mode does not mean trans most of the time. It is a very strong trans and the engine is weak. Already mentioned that fault code can be anything else like suspension potentiometer ($35 and 5 minutes to change yourself), overloaded on roof rack setting it off, flat tyre even sets it off. Just because it says limp mode on screen dont freak out you are up for a trans listening to ppl who dont know..
Change the trans pan to Ford ZF pan. It allows you to change the trans filter easily and I flush regular as all auto/electronic trans should. It is a cheap upgrade. Shop around for trans fluid. I get it by the 20 litre myself not a shop and take it to be flushed and get it back as it only uses a small amount.
Dont leave improving and what needs addressing up to a shop unless you need to get rid of money is my 5c, devalued to 2c today on the market
[biggrin].

Mate, no one has suggested/insisted it's a transmission issue. Certainly not in this thread. As for the steel pan, it's not a Ford part, it's a ZF part (or a copy). The transmission behind the 2.7L in the Territory is not ZF. It is a licensed reproduction by Ford with some minor changes.

As for the codes, Gav never said he was getting a mechanic to read them. He had a Gap IIDTool which he was reading the codes with. It is new to him and he didn't realise the codes weren't saved in the app after reading them and then clearing them while he was trying to get himself home.

The engine isn't weak, it has no more or less major issues than any other similar common-rail diesel of its time. The ZF 6HP26 is a reasonably strong transmission, it however isn't without its faults either.


The driving speed while towing, well, each to their own. If Gav is more comfortable towing at 100, then that's entirely up to him.

[Journeytower]

Good thoughts regarding HPFP or LPFP. After my recent experience and with the good suggestion of starting very economically, it may be worth replacing the stop light switch first up.
I recently had a faulty HPFP diagnosed and eventually after eight weeks of various delays it was replaced. Drove it out of the shop & the following day the dash lit up with the usual Faulty Trans etc messages. Back to the shop where the diagnostic was plugged in, the "person" climbed under the dash and pronounced the stop light switch faulty.
The stop light switch was replaced a few days later and I have had no further problems after a few thousand kilometres. I will add that between having the faulty stop light switch diagnosed and having it replaced the fault codes did not appear. Similar to the HPFP, in my case, intermittent lighting up of the dash with fault codes.
What came first ? Hmmm

Just a thought, stop light switches are pretty cheap.

Good Luck, Wayne

[PerthDisco]

Excellent advice. Every disco should carry a spare one in the glovebox or replace your working one now and keep old one as spare.

[DazzaTD5]

Quite often than not, if you get any form of restricted performance fault relating to the engine, you will also get the auto box faults. Ignore the auto faults until the actual cause is found. The auto faults will then likely disappear.
(there is a very short way of saying this, it just alludes me at the moment).

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Some background history on the OP of this thread.
Gavin has his Disco serviced on time, everytime without fail. We have already serviced the auto fluid twice and suspect items are done.

The fuel pressure sensor is different to the 3.0lt, different to the 2.7 Territory engine, thread is different (commonly used as a replacement engine for a failed 2.7 in a D3, D4) and works different electrically to what is commonly available, I keep them here for such a purpose.

I perhaps have my doubts as to it being a HPFP, but the symptoms sort of point towards it. I'm honestly not looking forward to that being the issue, as I really do like it when regular customers have more trouble free running than not.

Upwards and onwards!! [bigsmile1]

[gavinwibrow]

Mate, no one has suggested/insisted it's a transmission issue. Certainly not in this thread. As for the steel pan, it's not a Ford part, it's a ZF part (or a copy). The transmission behind the 2.7L in the Territory is not ZF. It is a licensed reproduction by Ford with some minor changes.

As for the codes, Gav never said he was getting a mechanic to read them. He had a Gap IIDTool which he was reading the codes with. It is new to him and he didn't realise the codes weren't saved in the app after reading them and then clearing them while he was trying to get himself home.

The engine isn't weak, it has no more or less major issues than any other similar common-rail diesel of its time. The ZF 6HP26 is a reasonably strong transmission, it however isn't without its faults either.


The driving speed while towing, well, each to their own. If Gav is more comfortable towing at 100, then that's entirely up to him.

Thanks Chris - right on the knocker!
Actually I'm not all that comfortable towing my oversize brick (look at my moniker picture) at 100 (the speed limit for all towing in WA) and find 85 - 90 a good compromise for economy, comfort wear and tear and piece of mind. Along with my GAP Tool in instrument mode and the TMPS, I also spend as much time looking rearward to minimise any holdups for faster following traffic.

[ATH]

You sound like fun.
Having lived in Broome for years every 3 months I drove my D3 Broome to Bunbury return and always sat on 135kph from Broome to just north of Perth and cops would just wave to slow down or flash their lights, never a ticket. Have even been overtaken by Police no lights flashing while doing my 135 for them to disappear in the distance.
No way does towing at 100 or 110 put any strain on a trans worth any note. Thats why the car is rated for 3.5 tonne towing up hill down dale and its rated that only due to braking and weight swinging, not the transmission. I never overheated even in 50C and my daily distances were always 1500-1700kms a hit at 135kph so no its not a trans issue. Its a ZF that goes behind Turbo Fords and other way more powerful cars.
I have rebuilt transmissions for many years not just guessing. I also add myself the Ford pan and flush early and regular, don't ever believe LR sealed for life.

If you want to do that, that's OK with me. I was just having a gentle dig at Gavin and the attitude of the cops whose own standard of driving ain't up to much from what I've seen. But "Speed kills" apparently, sod all the other idiotic behaviour on the roads.
Plus having read all the other threads on the robustness or otherwise of our vehicles, I tend to be over cautious about what I make the thing do. I rarely bother booting it except to pass so many of the other van tuggers who I suspect get their only fun in life from holding up others on the road. :)
Plus I think you're exceptionally lucky not to get a ticket from the revenue raisers as that seems to be their sole reason for being out there..... apart from pulling bodies out of smashed vehicles that is. :(

AlanH.

[Bohica]

You sound like fun.
Having lived in Broome for years every 3 months I drove my D3 Broome to Bunbury return and always sat on 135kph from Broome to just north of Perth and cops would just wave to slow down or flash their lights, never a ticket. Have even been overtaken by Police no lights flashing while doing my 135 for them to disappear in the distance.
No way does towing at 100 or 110 put any strain on a trans worth any note. Thats why the car is rated for 3.5 tonne towing up hill down dale and its rated that only due to braking and weight swinging, not the transmission. I never overheated even in 50C and my daily distances were always 1500-1700kms a hit at 135kph so no its not a trans issue. Its a ZF that goes behind Turbo Fords and other way more powerful cars.
I have rebuilt transmissions for many years not just guessing. I also add myself the Ford pan and flush early and regular, don't ever believe LR sealed for life.

In Victoria you get castrated for driving that far above the speed limit.

[PerthDisco]

These guys took their old D3 stick shift on the autobahn to prove above 160kmh the suspension lowers 20mm only raising again when you go below 130kmh for 30 seconds.

Seemed to do it quite happily and surprisingly the autobahn is not like some 8 lane immaculate air strip road.

Wife driving with kid in the back on way home from BMX.

At 130 they were the slowest on the road.

“Zee Germans know how to obey zee rules” is why it works compared to Straya.

They normally have a rooftop tent which they took off.


Another thing you may not know about you Land Rover Discovery 3 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/nvcT3zz-RUI)

[Tombie]

These guys took their old D3 stick shift on the autobahn to prove above 160kmh the suspension lowers 20mm only raising again when you go below 130 for 5 seconds.

Seemed to do it quite happily and surprisingly the autobahn is not like some 8 lane immaculate air strip road.

At 130 they were the slowest on the road.

“Zee Germans know how to obey zee rules” is why it works.

They normally have a rooftop tent which they took off.


Another thing you may not know about you Land Rover Discovery 3 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/nvcT3zz-RUI)

It works very well

[PerthDisco]

It works very well

I was well aware you have tested it [emoji6] but did you have your wife driving with kid in back while you filmed and played with a scan tool to verify the data [emoji1787][emoji1787].

[PerthDisco]

In Victoria you get castrated for driving that far above the speed limit.

My experience driving to Melbourne a few years ago the roads are not autobahn quality and 100kmh may be too excessive. The roads from the border onward have whoop-de-doos.

[Tombie]

I was well aware you have tested it [emoji6] but did you have your wife driving with kid in back while you filmed and played with a scan tool to verify the data [emoji1787][emoji1787].

Never had the kids in the vehicle at those speeds.

Have, years ago had the wife say “step on it” - in a very quick street car.

I obliged and said to her to say when to stop accelerating and it’s engage cruise. [emoji6]
We needed up cruising for 2 hours at a little over 200+

Up north it was.

[Bohica]

My experience driving to Melbourne a few years ago the roads are not autobahn quality and 100kmh may be too excessive. The roads from the border onward have whoop-de-doos.


The dual carriageway, from Melbourne to Ballarat is excellent, good up 160kph. It's the fascist government here.

[ATH]

In Victoria you get castrated for driving that far above the speed limit.
Actually I think that post was bull**** as the cops here certainly wouldn't be giving you a warning by flashing their lights etc. But I'm far too polite to say such a thing. :)
AlanH.

[BradC]

Actually I think that post was bull**** as the cops here certainly wouldn't be giving you a warning by flashing their lights etc. But I'm far too polite to say such a thing. :)
AlanH.

I dunno, I've done similar and had the old hand out the window with the "gentle downward pressure" movement from the local plod.
I suppose it depends on a number of factors. I've been pulled over going much quicker and driven/ridden away with nothing more than a "be a bit more careful". Even got to indirectly call one of the cops a dickhead (as in, "why were you going so fast". "Well officer, there was this dickhead in a Commodore sitting a foot off my back wheel and the faster I went, the faster he went"). The driver was indirectly chastised by the wiser and older officer who had been sitting in the passenger seat and I got waved on with a "take care".

WA cops can be reasonable if you pass the attitude test or drive a car that doesn't look like it can actually go as fast as the LIDAR says it did.
Of course in my younger days I've had plenty of tickets too.

My favourite though was in the UAE doing 140 over and having a quiet chat with the local plod, being offered a fruit juice and being asked to "take it a bit easier". Don't think I'd get away with that in WA.

[DUCKSNUTS]

Anyone who knows me knows and has travelled with me across this country and interstate know the facts and how I have driven 40 years and clean record for 3 decades this year. Why would I lie on a stupid forum, I have zero to prove to anyone and have no desire to.
Having lived in NT and north australia as a whole for decades I have become accustomed to driving faster than the self righteous and self designated Police officers and the limit set for the lowest common denominator on the road when in middle of nowhere.
Will not bother any further providing my 15 years of LR ownership in very remote areas and cross desert travelling alone because its clear it is too much for city ppl such as yourself and others to comprehend or believe.

[libertyts]

Thanks lowlife for calling me a liar from afar but I will be there soon as borders open for a personal discussion if you want to say that again, no need to try and be a gentleman as you portray.
Anyone who knows me knows and has travelled with me across this country and interstate know the facts and how I have driven 40 years and clean record for 3 decades this year. Why would I lie on a stupid forum, I have zero to prove to anyone and have no desire to.
Having lived in NT and north australia as a whole for decades I have become accustomed to driving faster than the self righteous and self designated Police officers and the limit set for the lowest common denominator on the road when in middle of nowhere.
Will not bother any further providing my 15 years of LR ownership in very remote areas and cross desert travelling alone because its clear it is too much for city ppl such as yourself and others to comprehend or believe.
Borders open in a couple of weeks, check your diary

Mate, settle down. Absolutely no need for threats of violence over someone saying they doubted you got away with driving above the limit. A silly discussion as it is without that.

Just a small amount of respect for each other would be nice.

As for the city folk... A good chunk of us don't live in anything like a city and spent a big chunk of our lives off the beaten track. That being said, that doesn't mean those from the cities are doing anything wrong by sitting on/below a designated limit. If that is what they ar comfortable with then all the better for the rest of us not having to drive near someone driving dangerously past their comfort zone. If you are comfortable/confident driving at higher speeds, that is up to you and doesn't mean that everyone else has to follow suit. You do you.

Stay safe and hope the rest of your day improves.

[p38arover]

Actually I think that post was bull**** as the cops here certainly wouldn't be giving you a warning by flashing their lights etc. But I'm far too polite to say such a thing. :)
AlanH.
Not long back I had a car behind me flash their lights as I approached a school zone. I was a little over 40km/h and slowing.

I said to myself "Mate, it's a school zone, I'm not going to speed up!"

Shortly after, he did a U-turn and I saw the car's dayglo orange rear - it was a HWP car.

[DiscoDB]

Going off topic, but back when I used to live at Port Hedland - the unofficial speed limit when heading north to Broome was 130kph, and south to Perth was 120kph until you got to the outskirts of the metro area. Cops would normally just flash their lights to get you to slow down but rarely gave you a ticket.

On one occasion I was on the outskirts of Newman sitting on 130 when a police car comes around the corner - radar detector instantly went off and I hit the brakes as hard as I could - so much so the car veered into the oncoming lane. Blue lights come on instantly, cop does a high speed u-turn but I am already stopped waiting for him.

Walks up to the car and as I get ready to hand over my license he says “your brakes pull to the right - you need to get that sorted”. Then after a pause “slow down as well”. And walks back to his car and drives off.

Definitely the Wild West back then.

[ATH]

Oh dear. My sincere apologies for upsetting you whoever you are. But my personal experience not only in the city is that WA cops have only one thing on their agenda and that's copping anyone going over the limit by even the smallest amounts. But if you want threaten that's OK by me. You're not the first. :)
Enjoy your day.
AlanH.

[DiscoDB]

Definitely true today Alan. But there was certainly a time that does not feel that long ago (but probably was) when this was not the case in WA - especially in the North West. 120-130kph was the norm not the exception.

Was hard to adjust moving to Victoria where you get pinged for 3kms over the limit.

Times have changed - probably for the better.

[ATH]

There's certainly worse things done on the roads by many which are far more dangerous than going over the limit by a few kays, especially on country roads.
AlanH.

[Tombie]

Times have changed - probably for the better.

Don’t accept that for one minute. [emoji51]

Nanny states - over regulated, over controlled, over taxed are now the norm and everyone likes to think we’re living in a free country.

True repercussions for actions rather than blanket laws by the fun police are what a successful nation needs.

[DiscoDB]

Don’t accept that for one minute. [emoji51]

Nanny states - over regulated, over controlled, over taxed are now the norm and everyone likes to think we’re living in a free country.

True repercussions for actions rather than blanket laws by the fun police are what a successful nation needs.

Talk about Nanny State - you should try living in Victoria. Grrrr.....

This is the state that harasses old ladies taking a rest whilst walking during the lockdown we had to have.

I was just being politically correct. Once on the open road, I like the Saudi’s approach to speeding - Inshallah. Just make sure you get out of their way as Saudi’s won’t brake.

Or even the German’s approach - Kids should be kept indoors so the cars can play on the streets! Again - just watch your rear view mirror and keep out of the way (fortunately the cars now will brake for themselves but you will be one who gets fined for not getting out of the way).

Open roads should equal open speed limits - it is safer!

[ATH]

"Open roads should mean open speed limits". On properly designed freeways or good open roads I'd agree but not here, certainly not with the awful standard of driving displayed by many. I drive a few kays below the limit when towing the van (100 in WA) to give others a better chance of overtaking without incurring the attention of the few cops on the road, but their skills, or rather lack of them during this manouvere is sometimes appalling. Many will creep past and then brake and pull sharply in front of you for no apparent reason.
I'm of the opinion that exceeding the limit in order to get past safely and then pulling back to the left hand side of the road is safer than sitting out there on the wrong side of the road. But according to an instructor at the local police academy "Speed is our focus and the law is what's on the sign".
But what all this has got to do with Gavin's transmission I don't know. :)
AlanH.

[libertyts]

"Open roads should mean open speed limits". On properly designed freeways or good open roads I'd agree but not here, certainly not with the awful standard of driving displayed by many. I drive a few kays below the limit when towing the van (100 in WA) to give others a better chance of overtaking without incurring the attention of the few cops on the road, but their skills, or rather lack of them during this manouvere is sometimes appalling. Many will creep past and then brake and pull sharply in front of you for no apparent reason.
I'm of the opinion that exceeding the limit in order to get past safely and then pulling back to the left hand side of the road is safer than sitting out there on the wrong side of the road. But according to an instructor at the local police academy "Speed is our focus and the law is what's on the sign".
But what all this has got to do with Gavin's transmission I don't know. :)
AlanH.


Alan, not a damned thing. A very good point indeed. Maybe it'd be best if we got back on topic so as to actually assist Gavin with his issue.

Gavin, any changes/updates as yet? Has it done it again? If it is fuel system related like many of us suspect, it will likely be an intermittent problem that is initially fairly difficult to diagnose, but most often it will slowly happen more and more. Let's hope we can help you figure it all out before you next hop into another big trip. :)

[gavinwibrow]

Alan, not a damned thing. A very good point indeed. Maybe it'd be best if we got back on topic so as to actually assist Gavin with his issue.

Gavin, any changes/updates as yet? Has it done it again? If it is fuel system related like many of us suspect, it will likely be an intermittent problem that is initially fairly difficult to diagnose, but most often it will slowly happen more and more. Let's hope we can help you figure it all out before you next hop into another big trip. :)

Thanks again Chris.
I've enjoyed the various chats within the thread, so all good. Its actually the first time I recall a request to revert to the intent of the thread, so another milestone!!!!

Where to from here.
1 - No problems so far in urban driving (I drive like grandma).
2 - Get DazzaTD5 to fit a new brake switch as preventative maintenance and keep the old as a spare JIC.
3 - Another no towing trip to Kalbarri in about 3 weeks, and
4 - Tow job to Manjimup for the Cherry Festival
will hopefully give me more data (saved this time) to find out what is happening in the magic box/es, so will report back as anything happens.

[DiscoDB]

All good chat - a few of us just trying to bring some people back off the ledge whilst keeping the thread live. [emoji106]