model discrimination of the worst kind

[dobbo]

A mate and myself were on our way to a spare of the moment mud run yesterday and decided to stop off at a well known training area to try out the articulation on his new standard suspension setup. (before getting it nice and muddy). We came across a Sydney based club during there training session so were about to do the right thing and leave when I was approached asking if I'd like to join as I was in a Disco but my mate wouldn't be able to due to his fetish for old eastern 4x4's. That was fine, expected, but what came next totally astounded me, this particular club would not except Fenders or Series Landies


??????????????????????????????????????:o:o:o:o:o


Why not, there still landies and as a disco driver and recently a series owner aswell, I got slightly confused. You don't have to be einstein to see a Fender or series could easily get to a lot of places a standard disco or rangie simply cannot. Why the descrimination? Is it fear of getting shown up by a cheaper model or just plain snobbery?


I apologise if I offend by this post, its not my intention, just want to know why accept some but not other Land Rover owners

P.S I didn't see any AULRO stickers on there vehicles. Also have I possibly stumbled on the reason why disco drivers don't wave or stop to give a series owner a clutch start when they are seen on the road.

[incisor]

mate they are pommy cars and with the pommy comes the class distinction..

saddest trait of our english friends..... but their way of life...

[crump]

A mate and myself were on our way to a spare of the moment mud run yesterday and decided to stop off at a well known training area to try out the articulation on his new standard suspension setup. (before getting it nice and muddy). We came across a Sydney based club during there training session so were about to do the right thing and leave when I was approached asking if I'd like to join as I was in a Disco but my mate wouldn't be able to due to his fetish for old eastern 4x4's. That was fine, expected, but what came next totally astounded me, this particular club would not except Fenders or Series Landies


??????????????????????????????????????:o:o:o:o:o


Why not, there still landies and as a disco driver and recently a series owner aswell, I got slightly confused. You don't have to be einstein to see a Fender or series could easily get to a lot of places a standard disco or rangie simply cannot. Why the descrimination? Is it fear of getting shown up by a cheaper model or just plain snobbery?


I apologise if I offend by this post, its not my intention, just want to know why accept some but not other Land Rover owners

P.S I didn't see any AULRO stickers on there vehicles. Also have I possibly stumbled on the reason why disco drivers don't wave or stop to give a series owner a clutch start when they are seen on the road.

I think you should post this in the MUDPIT so us Fender owners can get serious about our replys.:D

[dobbo]

mate they are pommy cars and with the pommy comes the class distinction..

saddest trait of our english friends..... but their way of life...


Inc,

I was born there Why the **** else would I be whinging like this

[Ace]

Not real good is it. A 4wd is a 4wd in my books. Matt

[one_iota]

That would probably be the Range Rover Club...

http://www.rangeroverclubnsw.asn.au/index.htm

They restricted membership to Range Rovers...when the Discovery came along membership was opened up to Discoveries.

The rationale being that each shared the same drivetrain and similar offroad abilities and mechanicals and travelling in like vehicles evened things out.

Nothing more or less.

So don't get upset....there is nothing sinister or snobbish about it at all.

BTW I am not a member.

[DiscoTDI]

Probably because fender and series drivers wont wave back when we wave at them:p :p :p :p :p :p :p

[dobbo]

I must admit I like to keep my disco looking nice, the series when it's fixed up will be for more adventurous tracks but to me every scratch on the disco is like a medal of honour with it's own tale to be told.

The track we encountered yesterday was more for a swb vehicle like my mates old Rocky(no damage). The disco naturally got through it (with a slightly out of shape front bumper and half of the tracks clay stuck to it). I was tempted to take both cars back and show these guys which car came off better at the end.

[p38arover]

At a meeting I attended a few months back, there was some discussion as to whether the RR Sport qualified for membership.

It was unanimous - it has a RR badge, it qualifies.

Ron

[Ace]

That would probably be the Range Rover Club...

http://www.rangeroverclubnsw.asn.au/index.htm

They restricted membership to Range Rovers...when the Discovery came along membership was opened up to Discoveries.

The rationale being that each shared the same drivetrain and similar offroad abilities and mechanicals and travelling in like vehicles evened things out.

Nothing more or less.

So don't get upset....there is nothing sinister or snobbish about it at all.

BTW I am not a member.

That makes sense, i didnt think of the RROC

[incisor]

funny that :P

[CraigE]

RROC should be changed to Dipstick Owners Club. My next 4x4 will be another Rangie, but I would not join a moronic club like that, with that mentality. Most 4x4 clubs even Land Cruiser clubs generally accept any 4wd or member. The more the merrier.
I know where I would like to park my Fender with that sort of attitude.

[solmanic]

I don't see what all the fuss is about - after all they don't let able bodied athletes in the Para-Olympics either!

[solmanic]

Yeh - maybe this thread should be in the Mud Pit - I can see this getting ugly...

[rangieman]

clubs like this will end up like the dinosaurs and thats one of the reasons im not in a club too many politics with the bull**** !:rolleyes:

[weeds]

RROC should be changed to Dipstick Owners Club. My next 4x4 will be another Rangie, but I would not join a moronic club like that, with that mentality. Most 4x4 clubs even Land Cruiser clubs generally accept any 4wd or member. The more the merrier.
I know where I would like to park my Fender with that sort of attitude.

i was a member of the toyota landcruiser club in brisbane for a few years. while i was a member a committee member who was also the first aid training upgraded to a disco, god dod he cop some, to the point where it was no longer funny, i think through peer group pressure he traded his disco fro another toyota

i left the club just before i took ownership of my first rangie

have been a bit warey of clubs since

i guessing there are plenty of clubs/organisations that have restrictions on membership, i guess we just have to llive with it

[FenianEel]

That sort of stuff is understandable, but still BS.
I can't believe they'd even debate whether to allow RRS.
Do they wear their "Wellies" when driving!!
The RR Club of QLD have more Disco's than anything else:eek: , and got Fenders galore.
They are a bit conservative and a few more "4WD" trips would be good, but they're membership is pretty open.
They've even got a few Nippon drivers (which I think is not right).

A Land Rover is a Land Rover - go and join a LR club;)

Unfortunately, with Clubs and committees comes politics and knobs, but it can be avoided and overcome.
Or get out there with your AULRO mates, everyone gets on here, don't they:eek:

I SAID DONT THEY - YOU PACK OF %)^(#+^#:lol:

[FenianEel]

i was a member of the toyota landcruiser club...........

Geez, and here's me thinking you were a good bloke Weeds:mad:

I did some pretty ordinary stuff in my past, but this isn't the confessional son:lol:

[Redback]

Personally i think any form of descrimination is a pile of ****e, whether it comes from Landie owners or jap 4B owners, and usually 95% of the time it's the driver that determans how good a 4B is the other 5% is usually luck at whether you make it over an obstical or not.

I uaually make friends with the owner of the 4B not what he drives, after all ya can't talk around a campfire over a beer with a 4WD, know matter how good you think it maybe;)

So if anyone bags your choice of 4B then don't have a beer with him or her, it's only funny for a while before it becomes annoying

Baz:p

[dobbo]

I uaually make friends with the owner of the 4B not what he drives, after all ya can't talk around a campfire over a beer with a 4WD, know matter how good you think it maybe;)

So if anyone bags your choice of 4B then don't have a beer with him or her, it's only funny for a while before it becomes annoying

Baz:p


I agree with you completely

[crump]

I just tell every Fourby owner I meet to get F$%&*d (F@$&*d) regardless of what their driving, then politics is never an issue.:lol:

[CraigE]

Look I can understand clubs being formed to target a particular vehicle but to not let people be an associate of the club, or associate with them on an outing is just plain ridiculous. That is why I am not a member of a 4x4 club. If I was to join I would prefer a generic club or a LR one with fair association rules. The reality is most of my friends do not drive LR's and I do not think it right that they could be excluded from an outing just because of poor taste in vehicles.
Oh well, these RROC members should just remember it was a Serie LR that gave birth to the RR, not the other way around. Does that therefore make RR abhorations??
:D :p :D :p

[solmanic]

Well I'm thinking of starting my own offshoot club for 02MY Defender 110's - must be Oslo blue, must have VIN ending in 643257. Anyone with vehicles meeting those criteria are welcome to join.

[Redback]

Well I'm thinking of starting my own offshoot club for 02MY Defender 110's - must be Oslo blue, must have VIN ending in 643257. Anyone with vehicles meeting those criteria are welcome to join.

What a great idea, my club will except only silver Discovery 2s with the exact same rego number as mine:p

Baz.

[solmanic]

Hey yeah - that would make more sense to use my OWN VIN number...

[FenianEel]

What a great idea, my club will except only silver Discovery 2s with the exact same rego number as mine:p

Baz.
Sorry Baz,

I've just read your Silver D2 constitution and under 34.1 section 3, it appears that your are in breach of your duties of office.
A special meeting will need to be called by yourself, where you can either vote yes or no to a motion of no confidence in yourself.
If a yes vote is garnered, you will be banned from yourself, and your club will have to be disbanded.
You can appeal to yourself, but will have to follow the instructions laid out in section 22, part 3 expulsion of self from said entity, and appeals allowed.

Good luck with that though:rolleyes::lol:

[PhilipA]

Having been a member of the Range Rover Club, but leaving about 6 years ago ( to help form the discovery club), when they went through a precious "orchard visit" period I feel qualified to comment.
Although they were big with over 400 members , only about 60 were active abnd this is probably even more a problem now with Rangies at $150K and Discos at 65k plus..
I see nothing wrong with a one make club. There are many. Maybe the member made a mistake in asking the Disco to join them. This is pretty silly as the directors of the club would be taking public liability responsibility for the person's welfare, and if the person was hurt they could be sued as he was not a club member. So the problem is that asking even the Disco was stupid and I doubt whether the person asking had any authority to do so, unless he was a committee member..

I recall that members could bring a guest along once only , and I recall taking a Pajero with us to Yalwal once about 13 years . He got through with only severe bash plate damage. But this was before director's liability.

I prefer the rough and tumble of a mixed brand club like the discovery club, although we have so many GUs now maybe it should be the disGUvery club. What would we talk about if not the merits of one brand vs another.
Regards Philip A

[dobbo]

Sorry Baz,

I've just read your Silver D2 constitution and under 34.1 section 3, it appears that your are in breach of your duties of office.
A special meeting will need to be called by yourself, where you can either vote yes or no to a motion of no confidence in yourself.
If a yes vote is garnered, you will be banned from yourself, and your club will have to be disbanded.
You can appeal to yourself, but will have to follow the instructions laid out in section 22, part 3 expulsion of self from said entity, and appeals allowed.

Good luck with that though:rolleyes::lol:


FenianEel I have read section 4, clause 22, you are in breach of this bylaw for using your Landrover as a people carrier i.e 7 seats all full, this is not good for fuel consumpsion, and lowers the prestige factor associated with owning a Land Rover.
Because of your long service to the club the commitee has been leniant towards you. We have given you 24hrs to dispose of a few members of your family. Failure to do so will result in your waving rights to be revoked.

[FenianEel]

New Thread in Market Place

For Sale 5 Children, open to offers, will consider interesting trade or RR Sport Supercharged..
No time wasters or Angelina Jolie baby buyers

[dobbo]

New Thread in Market Place

For Sale 5 Children, open to offers, will consider interesting trade or RR Sport Supercharged..
No time wasters or Angelina Jolie baby buyers

LOL

[George130]

Well I can't buy them as I have already told the other half no more than 3 kids or we have to buy a second Defender as mine is only a 5 seater and is a senior family member.

[dullbird]

mate they are pommy cars and with the pommy comes the class distinction..

saddest trait of our english friends..... but their way of life...

sorry inc but slightly offended by this comment, and we shouldn't all be tard with the same brush.......not all british are class snobs

whether you drive a rangerover sport or a craped out series 1 i will not pass judgement on anyone.

dullbird:(

[landrovermick]

Having been a member of the Range Rover Club, but leaving about 6 years ago ( to help form the discovery club), when they went through a precious "orchard visit" period I feel qualified to comment.
Although they were big with over 400 members , only about 60 were active abnd this is probably even more a problem now with Rangies at $150K and Discos at 65k plus..
I see nothing wrong with a one make club. There are many. Maybe the member made a mistake in asking the Disco to join them. This is pretty silly as the directors of the club would be taking public liability responsibility for the person's welfare, and if the person was hurt they could be sued as he was not a club member. So the problem is that asking even the Disco was stupid and I doubt whether the person asking had any authority to do so, unless he was a committee member..

I recall that members could bring a guest along once only , and I recall taking a Pajero with us to Yalwal once about 13 years . He got through with only severe bash plate damage. But this was before director's liability.

I prefer the rough and tumble of a mixed brand club like the discovery club, although we have so many GUs now maybe it should be the disGUvery club. What would we talk about if not the merits of one brand vs another.
Regards Philip A


I bought my S1 Disco from a bloke who was in thia club - he lives im Mittagong - my disco is a dark green 2 door - it was featured in some top end pics that used to be displayed in the club posters that hey have at shows....

mick

[Redback]

Sorry Baz,

I've just read your Silver D2 constitution and under 34.1 section 3, it appears that your are in breach of your duties of office.
A special meeting will need to be called by yourself, where you can either vote yes or no to a motion of no confidence in yourself.
If a yes vote is garnered, you will be banned from yourself, and your club will have to be disbanded.
You can appeal to yourself, but will have to follow the instructions laid out in section 22, part 3 expulsion of self from said entity, and appeals allowed.

Good luck with that though:rolleyes::lol:

BUGGER:p :lol: :lol:

[one_iota]

BUGGER:p :lol: :lol:


Alternatively you can trade in the Discovery on a Defender and face a lifetime in the wilderness (sub paragraph 3 in the fine blue print on the back page)

[Redback]

Alternatively you can trade in the Discovery on a Defender and face a lifetime in the wilderness (sub paragraph 3 in the fine blue print on the back page)

No i couldn't do that, as i would not wave to Discos and Rangies drivers, so that would make me descrimatory (if that's a word);) :unsure: :lol: :lol:

[Bradtot]

Unfortunately, with Clubs and committees comes politics and knobs, but it can be avoided and overcome.
Or get out there with your AULRO mates, everyone gets on here, don't they:eek:

:

So as Vice President of LROCWA it appears that I might be a bit of a knob?
Well I will have to ask at our next meeting.
Have been a committee member since 94 on this club
We are celebrating our 40 years in 2008 and still have founding members who are active!
:eek:
No offence taken as I know what its all about
By the way we have 80% landrovers and 20% of the others and allow anyone in with whatever make of vehicle.
Makes for some hardy bantering
take it slow
Brad:p :p

[FenianEel]

Brad,

My point was that there are knobs that would rather debate motions, go to meetings, than actually do anything, not that eveyone on a committee is a knob.
I'm in several clubs, and on the RRCQ committee, and have been on several committees and held heaps of different positions! So that can't be true:eek:
Could I be a knob? No of course not:p

Dullbird,

I don't think Inc, meant to offend, but class & discrimination is what the Brits are founded on (royalty, lords, peerage, title) etc,
But I agree, it isn't good to generalise, because while all Brits are w*nkers, not all w*nkers are Brits!!:p :lol:

(I'm just kidding ;) - and stirring the pot- don't take offence - someone may need it to keep their dog in)

Right - what was thread about again

[Farnarkle]

A camel is a horse designed by a committee.

[dullbird]

but a horse is a goat once rejected by the committee

what???

errrr yeh ok :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Redback]

but a horse is a goat once rejected by the committee

what???

errrr yeh ok :eek: :eek: :eek:

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[Cruiser]

This thread is interesting ( Sitting in my corner looking)

[FenianEel]

This thread is interesting ( Sitting in my corner looking)

Excuse ME!!

Did you sign the visitors disclaimer before posting in this thread...
Or fill out the 4 page membership application and liability form
Tsk tsk

:lol:

[dullbird]

annnnnnnnnnnnnddddddd

did you have corner trainning before sitting in that corner......if you don't have corner training it will infringe on liabilty insurance

[DiscoTDI]

:eek: You guys dont work for the mines do you:eek:

[solmanic]

OK, someone is going to have to step in and cyber-smack everyone around a bit since this thread is far too silly now.

Bloody camels, horses, goats, Poms and w*nkers and regulation 34.1 etc. etc. Has everyone been drinking or did someone forget to get their perscription filled today?

I know, I added my 2 cents and helped create this train wreck, but once it leaves the rails you can't just keep on driving...

1 1/2 cups SR flour
3/4 cup sugar
tsp. baking soda
2 tblsp butter
melt in saucepan and add eggs, sugar...

[dullbird]

wow you know i have always wanted the recipy for the

b*llsh"t cake ;)

dullbird

[FenianEel]

OK, someone is going to have to step in and cyber-smack everyone around a bit since this thread is far too silly now.

Bloody camels, horses, goats, Poms and w*nkers and regulation 34.1 etc. etc. Has everyone been drinking or did someone forget to get their perscription filled today?

I know, I added my 2 cents and helped create this train wreck, but once it leaves the rails you can't just keep on driving...

1 1/2 cups SR flour
3/4 cup sugar
tsp. baking soda
2 tblsp butter
melt in saucepan and add eggs, sugar...

Ah, sorry Sol,

But did you get the OK from the "Cooking officer" before posting that recipe. I do believe it might belong to the Silver D2 club, or Blue Defender club.
I'm going to have to report you to the committee, so they can call a meeting of the disciplinary committee, who will hold a meeting about holding a meeting, then form a special sub-committee who's task it will be to select a committee to hear the original grievance and find nothing was out of order. :p

[dungarover]

I have had bad experiences in 'mixed' brand clubs and primarily6 stay with the LT oriented clubs. I found that they offer nothing as far as tach is concerned and too much LR bashing. I used to tackle all the terrain the Pootrols with all the big tyres and huge spring lifts to a degree with my stocko height Rangie with 31's on (to a degree, big wombat holes are always a problem and this is where the big rubber is good to have ;) ).

I joined a 4WD club initially because I moved to QLD from Vic and didn't know anyone to go off-road with, plus on purchaing my first Rangie as an apprentice Baker, I wanted to learn how to DIY and save a few $$$. I find most 4WD clubs are either too tame or too hard-core (comp type stuff of which I have no intrest in).

But if you have a great group of blokes who have like-minded intrest, that's good enough. Plus this forum you get to know people (how the Gold Coast LR club formed pretty much).

Trav