Get a Gap tool they said ......................

[Barraman]

........ so I did! Bought one 2nd hand from someone on here. Had it linked to my vehicle - played around with it for a bit - all OK!

Then my D4 decided it would not come out of park. Ahah, I thought, I’ll read the fault codes with my Gap tool! So I plugged it in and it told me that there was a transmission fault - obviously way above its pay grade cause it stopped working right there and then - an hasn’t worked since!

[101RRS]

Yes a highly overrated piece of kit - fine if you want to go into systems and play with things but cheaper option to just read codes.

I have had my RRS for 10 years and 180,000km and never needed a Gap tool - happy with the settings in the car. I have a Faultmate FCR to read my codes and it works fine - never needed to play with the systems.

If such an issue did pop up and it never has, just get my indy to do it - charges about $50 depending what is needed.

[gavinwibrow]

........ so I did! Bought one 2nd hand from someone on here. Had it linked to my vehicle - played around with it for a bit - all OK!

Then my D4 decided it would not come out of park. Ahah, I thought, I’ll read the fault codes with my Gap tool! So I plugged it in and it told me that there was a transmission fault - obviously way above its pay grade cause it stopped working right there and then - an hasn’t worked since!

GAP support is excellent (Canadian, not US) - contact them and see what's up - I'm sure you will be happily surprised - but you may have to pay the transfer fee to get it into your name (around $30/40 from memory, but sounds like you have already done that.

[DiscoJeffster]

Yes a highly overrated piece of kit - fine if you want to go into systems and play with things but cheaper option to just read codes.

I have had my RRS for 10 years and 180,000km and never needed a Gap tool - happy with the settings in the car. I have a Faultmate FCR to read my codes and it works fine - never needed to play with the systems.

If such an issue did pop up and it never has, just get my indy to do it - charges about $50 depending what is needed.

It’s hardly overrated if you use it for what it’s rated for. Clearly you don’t need to because you choose to use your indy, but for many, it’s a very helpful piece of kit that’s paid for itself in my case.

[Tombie]

Yes a highly overrated piece of kit - fine if you want to go into systems and play with things but cheaper option to just read codes.

I have had my RRS for 10 years and 180,000km and never needed a Gap tool - happy with the settings in the car. I have a Faultmate FCR to read my codes and it works fine - never needed to play with the systems.

If such an issue did pop up and it never has, just get my indy to do it - charges about $50 depending what is needed.

Over-rated? Hardly....

Maybe exceeds your use, but not many others.

Tweaking Fuel readings, recalibrate speedo, adjust CCF to suit mods are all very handy. As well as reflash service for modules.

Then there’s suspension settings, calibration, service resets and it goes on.

Where’s your Indy when you’re in the Simpson or up the Savannah?

[rocket rod]

........ so I did! Bought one 2nd hand from someone on here. Had it linked to my vehicle - played around with it for a bit - all OK!

Then my D4 decided it would not come out of park. Ahah, I thought, I’ll read the fault codes with my Gap tool! So I plugged it in and it told me that there was a transmission fault - obviously way above its pay grade cause it stopped working right there and then - an hasn’t worked since!
If it's the android version have you tried "Force Stop" and then restarting the app?

[101RRS]

It’s hardly overrated if you use it for what it’s rated for. Clearly you don’t need to because you choose to use your indy, but for many, it’s a very helpful piece of kit that’s paid for itself in my case.


Over-rated? Hardly....

Maybe exceeds your use, but not many others.

Tweaking Fuel readings, recalibrate speedo, adjust CCF to suit mods are all very handy. As well as reflash service for modules.

Then there’s suspension settings, calibration, service resets and it goes on.

Where’s your Indy when you’re in the Simpson or up the Savannah?

Just expressing my view nothing more - as I said never needed it in 10 years of owner ship. If people think they need it or want to play with their settings well that is great for them.

[loanrangie]

Yes unless you do your own work or travel remote you probably don't need one, 1 tow truck fee and its paid for.

[Tombie]

Just expressing my view nothing more - as I said never needed it in 10 years of owner ship. If people think they need it or want to play with their settings well that is great for them.

Yet.... Faultmate FCR is the same price and you happily have one of them. So your view is quite hypocritical as you have a device in the same price point.

All these tools are unnecessary- if people want to just pay a mechanic to sort stuff.
Don’t need any tools or a shed either - just keep paying others.

[josh.huber]

Hey bara, try plugging it into your PC and doing the upgrades if there are any available. I love mine.
Used it today for a wheel alignment. Saved me more cash.

I'm with you the first time I needed it..I struggled a bit. Couldn't read the codes even though I had a light on the dash. Had to change a setting to do with reading codes as they are in different levels. Pending, active, etc. Once I sorted that out I was away. I have contacted them for support a few times.. Very fast and friendly, not at all comparable with other diagnostic tools I have used on my car.

[101RRS]

Yet.... Faultmate FCR is the same price and you happily have one of them. So your view is quite hypocritical as you have a device in the same price point.

Tombie you are off with the pixies again - a Fault Mate might be the same price but a Faultmate FCR isn't - if I could get a Gap tool for just over $100 when I bought it years ago I would definitely buy one.

[Tombie]

Tombie you are off with the pixies again - a Fault Mate might be the same price but a Faultmate FCR isn't - if I could get a Gap tool for just over $100 when I bought it years ago I would definitely buy one.

Where’s the ****ing pixies pal? You may have got a second hand unit cheap but they aren’t new.
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[101RRS]

Where’s the ****ing pixies pal? You may have got a second hand unit cheap but they aren’t new.



I paid just over $100 for mine, new a few years back - dont like that - I really dont care.

[LRD414]

...Then my D4 decided it would not come out of park....
Isn’t this the issue you just recently experienced and had repaired? Regarding the diagnostic, as others have said, contacting Gap is the next step. Assuming it properly registered to you and your vin and you’ve used it already they’ll need to assist.

Scott

[veebs]

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[ATH]

I bought a Gap tool 4 years ago when I purchased the new D4. I've plugged it in a couple of times but really haven't so far had to use it for fault finding. In fact, I'm not sure I'll know what to do if anything untoward does happen away from help of some kind.
Now I'm trying to remember where I've put the damn thing. :)
AlanH.

[Tombie]

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it an not have it.

Same for any form of insurance. [emoji41]

[DiscoJeffster]

I’ve used mine to troubleshoot a number of faults plus
CCF updates
Deflate suspension to change
Reset suspension heights when it had a lean
Reset service interval
Reset gearbox adaptations
Gearbox temp for oil changes
Off-road height control when on holidays (instead of buying a LLAMS)
Monitoring the engine temps on occasion

I don’t use it everyday but it gets used

[PerthDisco]

Anyone want to sell me their crappy useless GAP Tool?

[geoffmc]

Guys,

A little segway, ill have a GAP IID tool for sale in the relevant area latet this weeek.

cheers
Geoff

[DiscoDB]

........ so I did! Bought one 2nd hand from someone on here. Had it linked to my vehicle - played around with it for a bit - all OK!

Then my D4 decided it would not come out of park. Ahah, I thought, I’ll read the fault codes with my Gap tool! So I plugged it in and it told me that there was a transmission fault - obviously way above its pay grade cause it stopped working right there and then - an hasn’t worked since!

Barraman - hopefully you haven’t ended up with one of the early BT ones which had a faulty Bluetooth transmitter.

The other possibility is it was previously used a lot for extended monitoring and it has subsequently failed.

Hope you get it sorted - it is a good bit of kit to have. Mine paid for itself just re-programming new keys (back when the alternative was a single key from JLR for the price of the GAP unit).

[DiscoDB]

Anyone want to sell me their crappy useless GAP Tool?

If mine starts playing up I will let you know...... [emoji48]

[101RRS]

Did a fair bit of driving around this morning and all was good. Parked for 30 minutes and when I came back to the car the battery was essentially dead. NRMA came around in about 30 minutes and no load the battery was at 11.5v and open a door and dropped to 5v. Dead battery.

To the Battery Factory who confirmed the battery had failed and was replaced.

Other than maybe reading voltages would a Gap tool be able to help and with a dead battery will a Gap tool still work? Does it have its own power source?

[ramblingboy42]

"a little segway"

havent heard that before.....

[veebs]

Did a fair bit of driving around this morning and all was good. Parked for 30 minutes and when I came back to the car the battery was essentially dead. NRMA came around in about 30 minutes and no load the battery was at 11.5v and open a door and dropped to 5v. Dead battery.

To the Battery Factory who confirmed the battery had failed and was replaced.

Other than maybe reading voltages would a Gap tool be able to help and with a dead battery will a Gap tool still work? Does it have its own power source?

Why are you trying to pick a fight? You know the answer.

It also won’t change your flat tyre for you, or add fuel to an empty tank...

[101RRS]

You know the answer.



Well I dont know.

Why not provide the answer to my question:

Other than maybe reading voltages would a Gap tool be able to help and with a dead battery will a Gap tool still work? Does it have its own power source?

[DiscoDB]

Why are you trying to pick a fight? You know the answer.

It also won’t change your flat tyre for you, or add fuel to an empty tank...

I don’t think it will fix stupidity either. [emoji48]

But if you did monitor battery voltage and suspected you had a problem before it died completely, then it could assist you to diagnose what the alternator is doing under different load conditions.

My battery is on its way out (too long sitting idle during the lockdown we had to have) but using the GAP tool I have confirmed the alternator is working as expected. Other tools can also do this.

Of course I also have 2 permanently connected battery monitors, another OBD adapter used for continuous monitoring of over 50 parameters I have loaded onto my Android head unit, and I am now building a Panasonic Toughbook with even more monitoring and diagnostics capability - so perhaps too much info available to me now.

Gotta love modern tech and gadgets. [emoji851]

[veebs]

Well I dont know.

Why not provide the answer to my question:

Other than maybe reading voltages would a Gap tool be able to help and with a dead battery will a Gap tool still work? Does it have its own power source?

Nice little wording edit from your original there...

A GAP tool is an interface between the car computers, and the device you are using - usually a phone. If the car battery doesn't have enough power to run it's on board systems (like, for example, when it has 5 volts), there is no point trying to query them.

How useful was your Faultmate FCR this morning?

[DiscoDB]

To the OP - Barraman as you have gone quiet whilst we hijack and molest your thread, just a thought occurred to me.

The GAP tool can have its firmware reloaded direct from a PC. I have had another old OBD adapter stop working which I have been able to recover by connecting to a Laptop and reloading and updating the firmware.

Worthwhile giving this a try with the GAP tool. You can access the IIDTool Updater through your GAP Diagnostics account set up when you registered the tool in your name.

[DiscoJeffster]

Well I dont know.

Why not provide the answer to my question:

Other than maybe reading voltages would a Gap tool be able to help and with a dead battery will a Gap tool still work? Does it have its own power source?

The fact you ask such ignorant questions clearly shows why a GAP tool would be useless to you as you haven’t got the slightest understanding of how vehicle electronics work. It’s probably good your Faultmate is so limited in what it can do.

The Gap tool is great for the DIY enthusiast with half a clue about cars.

Poor attempt at trolling.

[101RRS]

A GAP tool is an interface between the car computers, and the device you are using - usually a phone. If the car battery doesn't have enough power to run it's on board systems (like, for example, when it has 5 volts), there is no point trying to query them.


Thanks for the information.

[josh.huber]

To be fair, the fcr was invented before batteries and probably works very well in the absence of them.. joke is on the gap fan club this time.

But in all seriousness.. Holy shoot, calm down. Neither tools fix problems without insight and help from people on here or other places. A code can be as helpful as no code sometimes. There is no "click" all problems fixed on any tool. It would be great not to deteriorate into a gap team vs the rest team. Or whatever.. That'll be no good for no one.

Clearing codes and reading codes also doesn't mean no spanners and brains are needed.

[josh.huber]

The first paragraph was aimed at the tool itself and not you 101rrs, just trying to lighten the mood

[Eevo]

never needed a spare tyre. should i stop carrying one?

[Odysseyman]

"a little segway"

havent heard that before.....

would make more sense if the spelling was right, hey! - a little segue... and if one waned to get really pedantic the word was originally only used in reference to music. [bigwhistle][smilebigeye]

Merry Christmas

[ramblingboy42]

ah yes ....I should know that.....it's not often used in modern music.

Xmas greetings to you too.

[ramblingboy42]

never needed a spare tyre. should i stop carrying one?

yes , definitely

[Tombie]

never needed a spare tyre. should i stop carrying one?

Absolutely.

Diet and exercise should remove it.

[ATH]

But both of those things require some sort of inner strength on the part of the spare tyre owner. Not something I personally am going to commit to any time soon even when NY resolution time is rapidly approaching. :)
"Fatness not fitness" is the go.....
AlanH.

[SeanC]

Yes a highly overrated piece of kit - fine if you want to go into systems and play with things but cheaper option to just read codes.

I have had my RRS for 10 years and 180,000km and never needed a Gap tool - happy with the settings in the car. I have a Faultmate FCR to read my codes and it works fine - never needed to play with the systems.

If such an issue did pop up and it never has, just get my indy to do it - charges about $50 depending what is needed.

Today on Stradbroke Island got suspension fault. Plugged in the GAP tool. Wrote down fault code. Googled code. Taken to DISCO3.CO.UK. Advice “check compressor relay.” Relay failed. Replaced relay, all good. 10 minutes from fault to fix. Which is great as I am here for another 10 days.

Previously allowed me to diagnose and remedy a loss in power due to a stuck boost pressure actuator.

Also used the GAP tool to carry out an ECU remap from Bell Auto Services.

So for me it was a worthwhile investment.

[Tommy Armstrong]

SeanC I've just recently ordered a gap tool for outback trips and was wondering if you or anyone knows where I can find a list of fault codes and what they mean (what action is needed) for a disco 4 that I can print out and leave in the vehicle. That way when I have no internet access the gap tool can still be useful.

As you previously mentioned I would normally do the same and Google the code to get assistance but in the Bush we get slightly stranded when technology is used.

[TuffRR]

With the IIDTool you get a description of the code as well so no need to print anything out. How the code and description is interpreted can be trickier though.... being a CANBUS system sometimes the codes are just the starting point but the actual fault may be something else.

[josh.huber]

I bought the manuals from this website and saved them onto my tablet which lives in the car..I use the search function on it to bring up what I need. Whether it be codes or wiring diagrams etc. Great way not to be without help

[josh.huber]

I use the same tablet to talk to the gap tool 90% of the time. I find the Android system works better then the Apple system on my phone.

[DiscoDB]

Interpreting fault codes is the real challenge. There are hundreds of signals that can trigger thousands of fault codes programmed across dozens of ECU’s and many are triggered by each other - think of the CAN system as a Social Media Platform.

The JLR SDD (Symptom Driven Diagnostics) software used by LR technicians recognise this issue and attempts to combine known issues with symptoms and fault codes to make recommendations - and even then it sounds like it is hit and miss.

Normally for diagnostics you want to make sure no codes have been cleared - but once you believe everything is working as expected, I believe it is good to clear all logged faults.

I now regularly check mine for new fault codes to try and identify any early warning signs and hopefully to help me recognise when something more important does happen.

[PeterJ]

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it an not have it.

Same for any form of insurance. [emoji41]Couldn't agree more, and the only thing worse than not having the tool to do the job is having the perfect piece of kit and not knowing how to use it, it really is worth a few hours on a rainy day to get up to speed on it, I think you will be pleased with the capability. It can be a bit tricky when fault codes pop up interpreting the root cause but that's what the knowledge base (and lots of helpful people) on this forum is fantastic for.
It would be great to find out what your fault codes were (are) and what you eventually find is the problem, I hope not to serious.$$$

[DiscoDB]

Couldn't agree more, and the only thing worse than not having the tool to do the job is having the perfect piece of kit and not knowing how to use it, it really is worth a few hours on a rainy day to get up to speed on it, I think you will be pleased with the capability. It can be a bit tricky when fault codes pop up interpreting the root cause but that's what the knowledge base (and lots of helpful people) on this forum is fantastic for.
It would be great to find out what your fault codes were (are) and what you eventually find is the problem, I hope not to serious.$$$

Interestingly I have been reading up on the SDD software used by JLR. Even something as benign as the different combination and sequencing of warning lamps and messages can make a big difference in interpreting the actual fault.

The training manual stresses you must take note of every symptom the owner reports - something many technicians don’t always listen to.

I would love to be able to read the programming code in all of the ECU’s. I suspect it is a real mess with multiple ECU’s acting and triggering conflicting signals at the same time.

I read somewhere that the D3/D4 has some 4000 fault codes - but as any processing plant control room operator knows - having excessive warnings and alerts does not help spot a real issue when it comes up. Personally, I would have preferred it to have no faults. [emoji48]

[Barraman]

To the OP - Barraman as you have gone quiet whilst we hijack and molest your thread, just a thought occurred to me.
The GAP tool can have its firmware reloaded direct from a PC. I have had another old OBD adapter stop working which I have been able to recover by connecting to a Laptop and reloading and updating the firmware.
Worthwhile giving this a try with the GAP tool. You can access the IIDTool Updater through your GAP Diagnostics account set up when you registered the tool in your name.

Nailed it!

I upgraded the firmware today and the GAP tool is back up and working properly.

Thanks!

[DiscoDB]

Nailed it!

I upgraded the firmware today and the GAP tool is back up and working properly.

Thanks!

How good is the GAP tool hey - brilliant. [emoji106]

[Pippin]

How good is the GAP tool hey - brilliant. [emoji106]It's good to see we have closed the GAP on this one. A good outcome Merry Christmas. Nick

[iannicki]

I bought the manuals from this website and saved them onto my tablet which lives in the car..I use the search function on it to bring up what I need. Whether it be codes or wiring diagrams etc. Great way not to be without help

Following on from Tommy Armstrong's question and Josh Huber's reply, I thought I would do a test. I 'borrowed' SeanC’s recent fault code of C1A27-14 and tried searching the manuals I had also purchased on this site. No joy ☹

So I tried searching just C1A27. That worked 😊

167075

As you can see, the full code is there. There must be an issue with the typed hyphen. But it was easy to find by the first 5 characters.

[josh.huber]

Hyphens can be a pain in search engines and pdf files. Glad the search was good. I've always found it useful for my problems

[BradC]

Hyphens can be a pain in search engines and pdf files. Glad the search was good. I've always found it useful for my problems

In general in a search engine hyphen means “exclude”. So a search for C1A27-14 will give you every C1A27 that does not have 14 also. If you quote it “C1A27-14” it’ll bring up what you are after.

[plaven]

So, since this thread is hijacked, :) I thought I'd ask here since I'm struggling to find the way to do this, if it can be:

This YouTube video shows reading the Terrain Response and how long each mode has been used for: Land Rover Discovery 3 buying tip: Was it used for offroad driving? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/w7GSOlZF8VM)

I've been poking around with the Gap IID Tool and haven't found anything like it.

Does anyone know if it can be done and how? :)

[Ferret]

Yes that sort of data is available on the GAP IID tool. However, you may not necessarily be able to see it.

In standard form the software allows you to view a subset of the data available - the so call 'Quick List'. Look under the "Line Values" menu. This is a list a data you are most likely to need, according to GAP at least.

To view all the data possible you must ask GAP to give you access to the beta testers version of their software (think that's what it's called). If you have this version, then in addition to what is in the "Quick List" of data, you will also be able to view what ever is in the "Complete List" of data, supposedly everything logged by all ECUs.

From the "Quick List" no data from the 'ATCM terrain Response' module is available to view. But from the "Complete List", distance and time in modes 1, 2, 3 etc are able to be viewed from within the ATCM module.

[plaven]

Yes that sort of data is available on the GAP IID tool. However, you may not necessarily be able to see it.

In standard form the software allows you to view a subset of the data available - the so call 'Quick List'. Look under the "Line Values" menu. This is a list a data you are most likely to need, according to GAP at least.

To view all the data possible you must ask GAP to give you access to the beta testers version of their software (think that's what it's called). If you have this version, then in addition to what is in the "Quick List" of data, you will also be able to view what ever is in the "Complete List" of data, supposedly everything logged by all ECUs.

From the "Quick List" no data from the 'ATCM terrain Response' module is available to view. But from the "Complete List", distance and time in modes 1, 2, 3 etc are able to be viewed from within the ATCM module.

Awesome! Thanks for the info!

Seems like a strange thing to not have given the cost of the device when compared to the icar device shown in the youtube video.

I'll go check it out in a sec.. and spend a bit more time learning my way around the application.

UPDATE: Read the values fine. Interesting to see the KM's each of the modes have been driven in!!!

[BradC]

Seems like a strange thing to not have given the cost of the device when compared to the icar device shown in the youtube video.

The extra functionality gives you the ability to shoot yourself in the foot. They've kinda locked that away "on request" because in some instances in shooting yourself in the foot you can blow your leg off. So it's kinda "Please enable this, I know with great power comes great responsibility and I indemnify the creator of the product against any claim should I accidentally brick my car".

Mine has saved me countless trips to the workshop. In fact since I got the workshop manual and the Gap I don't think I've had to pay anyone to do any work on it at all. Mind you, I did find some "irregularities" in the logging/graphing function that they told me would require a significant re-work and probably never get fixed, but I haven't needed that since I replaced the HPFP.

[plaven]

The extra functionality gives you the ability to shoot yourself in the foot. They've kinda locked that away "on request" because in some instances in shooting yourself in the foot you can blow your leg off. So it's kinda "Please enable this, I know with great power comes great responsibility and I indemnify the creator of the product against any claim should I accidentally brick my car".

Mine has saved me countless trips to the workshop. In fact since I got the workshop manual and the Gap I don't think I've had to pay anyone to do any work on it at all. Mind you, I did find some "irregularities" in the logging/graphing function that they told me would require a significant re-work and probably never get fixed, but I haven't needed that since I replaced the HPFP.

Yeah, that's fine, I was happy to see I can get the values of the Terrain Response... I guess I have to spend more time with the application.

[Tins]

- think of the CAN system as a Social Media Platform.



Reckon that's the best description I've ever heard of CAN. Everyone yelling at each other.

[twr7cx]

Really depends what you want it for. For us the purchase of the GAP Diagnostics IID Tool has well paid for itself. It's allowed me to program three replacement Smart Keys, read and clear fault codes, apply ECU remap and EGR deactivation patches for our two D4s - and anything beyond this now is continued dividends. Plus the hardware retains some of its own value if I was to ever decide to sell it on.

[Birdboy]

Really depends what you want it for. For us the purchase of the GAP Diagnostics IID Tool has well paid for itself. It's allowed me to program three replacement Smart Keys, read and clear fault codes, apply ECU remap and EGR deactivation patches for our two D4s - and anything beyond this now is continued dividends. Plus the hardware retains some of its own value if I was to ever decide to sell it on.

Are there many locksmiths that can code keys affordably? What is a key worth without being programmed?

[twr7cx]

Are there many locksmiths that can code keys affordably? What is a key worth without being programmed?

Local lock smith with the equipment recently charged $120.00 or so for a Ford BF Falcon ignition key (has the immobiliser chip in it) without the button box!
I think three Range Rover keys supplied cost me about that and then used my IID Tool to program them.
Likely that Land Rover products would be more expensive than local Aussie Falcon bits, but lets pretend they're the same cost, that's a potential $240.00 saving for me, towards the cost of the IID Tool right there...

[MUMSRIG]

Are there many locksmiths that can code keys affordably? What is a key worth without being programmed?

I took my spare key to my local shopping centre KEYMAN kiosk and he was able to program my key for me off my original. I think it ,Amy have been $120 and it took him a walk to the car to do it..

[Tombie]

I’ve programmed 4 keys with my Gap tool, the fobs cost about $15 each.

By my calculations that’s saved around $400.
Add service functions and my Gap has paid itself off about 5 times over.

[rapserv]

Yes a highly overrated piece of kit - fine if you want to go into systems and play with things but cheaper option to just read codes.

I have had my RRS for 10 years and 180,000km and never needed a Gap tool - happy with the settings in the car. I have a Faultmate FCR to read my codes and it works fine - never needed to play with the systems.

If such an issue did pop up and it never has, just get my indy to do it - charges about $50 depending what is needed.

No need for a GAP tool if you just drive around the burbs.
I have just bought this tool for a Disco 4 I'm intending to buy in the very near future, as I will be doing quite a bit of fairly remote traveling and I won't be near any LR agents/indies ... so I need to be able to diagnose faults and make repairs myself where necessary.

[Tedio]

Yep used mine yesterday when "restricted performance " appeared on the screen.
Pulled over, plugged in, cleared faults, good to go. Paid for itself in one go to ease the inconvenience.

[PerthDisco]

I’m now an official member of the GAP club! Yippeee thanks to Aulro. 240,000km without it though but in years ahead I might need it.

Another guy I know with SDV6 had engine light and $800 later all it was was a faulty MAP sensor which you’d pay for the tool just in that common issue with simple fix.

[Birdboy]

Where is the best place to buy a GAP tool?

[gotaflat]

whats is the best way to go with IID tool?

I really have not investigated the functionality -

Land Rover & Jaguar OBD2 Scan Tool Full System (https://obd2australia.com.au/product/land-rover-jaguar-obd2-scan-tool-full-system/)

or similar???

vs

https://www.gap-diagnostic.com/shop/iidtool-bt/


cheers

[gavinwibrow]

99% sure its not the GAPtool at fault, but for the second time in about 12 months, I inserted the tool into the OBDII port and lost all electrics. Didn't help that I was waiting at the lights with van on tow just heading off to Kalbarri!!!! Thank the supreme being for Ultimate RACWA cover.

From my limited understanding, last time Dazza found an issue with dry solder joints that affected the ABS, so hopefully something as simple and easily found/rectified this time around. Only trouble is we are now starting to lose faith in the old girl (at 280,000 km last week) for any long/country trips.

My tool also has a slightly loose cover, but short of using a hose type clamp, I've not yet discovered how to tighten it, as I can't see any screws.

[DiscoDB]

Passing 10 years and 250K and you are certainly moving into the 2nd half Gavin. But sometimes is better to stick with the devil you know.

Perhaps it is the brick you need to get rid of. [emoji848]

[Tombie]

99% sure its not the GAPtool at fault, but for the second time in about 12 months, I inserted the tool into the OBDII port and lost all electrics. Didn't help that I was waiting at the lights with van on tow just heading off to Kalbarri!!!! Thank the supreme being for Ultimate RACWA cover.

From my limited understanding, last time Dazza found an issue with dry solder joints that affected the ABS, so hopefully something as simple and easily found/rectified this time around. Only trouble is we are now starting to lose faith in the old girl (at 280,000 km last week) for any long/country trips.

My tool also has a slightly loose cover, but short of using a hose type clamp, I've not yet discovered how to tighten it, as I can't see any screws.

Is the tool fully up to date?

Seems odd you're having this issue only when the tool is connected.

[BradC]

whats is the best way to go with IID tool?

I really have not investigated the functionality -

Land Rover & Jaguar OBD2 Scan Tool Full System (https://obd2australia.com.au/product/land-rover-jaguar-obd2-scan-tool-full-system/)

or similar???

vs

https://www.gap-diagnostic.com/shop/iidtool-bt/

Having a look at the generic OBD2 tool it only mentions it has access to the basic engine group ECUs. The IID will give you access to all the other ECUs.
I've used mine to diagnose the fuel system, where a generic OBD2 reader struggled with the specifics of the TDV6 fuel pumps and injection. I've used it to work on the EAS, where the generic tool didn't even know it existed. Same with the HVAC, FBH and the RSE.

I bought mine direct from GAP in Canada, and it was here in under a week (pre-covid of course) and cheaper than anywhere else I could find it at the time.

If it broke or got nicked I'd replace it with the same unit.

[DiscoDB]

As a lower cost alternative to the GAP Tool without the ability to re-program ECU’s, I would seriously look at the iCarsoft LR V2 or V3. Even as a back-up to the GAP tool.

Have been contemplating getting the iCarsoft CR Pro as this also covers multi-brands (at the V2 software level) so good for the other cars at home.

And then I can across the Autel MaxiCOM MK808....so many toys and so little time and money.....

I am less and less inclined to allow others to diagnose faults on any car I have as it always seems to lead to “let’s throw more parts at it”.

[gavinwibrow]

Is the tool fully up to date?

Seems odd you're having this issue only when the tool is connected.

Hi Tombie. Updated tool about 3 months ago when I added your x 3 recommended updates from Canada, and well after the first "incident". Have used the tool any number of times in instrument mode, and have had a few "issues" over the months requiring a restart, but only when towing the brick and after 2-3 hours minimum of travel on a warmish day - which it turn made me think of warmed ATF.

My money is on either a faulty OBDII port, or something like the ABS shorting out and affecting other stuff - which is what I think happened last time and DazzaTD5 fixed it while fiddling and waiting for a replacement ECU I think it was - maybe he'll remember and chip in.

[DiscoDB]

A crossed wire (or wires) on the OBDII port would throw lots of errors. Could be internal cabling on the car or the GAP Tool if faulty.

I once accidentally connected the Nanocom with the wrong lead and boy did the D3 have a fit. It was the 300 Amigo’s at a Disco rave party.

[rapserv]

Anyone want to sell me their crappy useless GAP Tool?

.. 😂 😂 😂

I should have asked that a couple of weeks ago because I just bought one myself.

[josh.huber]

Hi Tombie. Updated tool about 3 months ago when I added your x 3 recommended updates from Canada, and well after the first "incident". Have used the tool any number of times in instrument mode, and have had a few "issues" over the months requiring a restart, but only when towing the brick and after 2-3 hours minimum of travel on a warmish day - which it turn made me think of warmed ATF.

My money is on either a faulty OBDII port, or something like the ABS shorting out and affecting other stuff - which is what I think happened last time and DazzaTD5 fixed it while fiddling and waiting for a replacement ECU I think it was - maybe he'll remember and chip in.

That's unlucky Gav. I'm at 254000ks now and touch wood I've been extremely lucky. To the point I won't consider anything else.. Because with my k's I'll get nothing for it.

[RobMichelle]

99% sure its not the GAPtool at fault, but for the second time in about 12 months, I inserted the tool into the OBDII port and lost all electrics. Didn't help that I was waiting at the lights with van on tow just heading off to Kalbarri!!!! Thank the supreme being for Ultimate RACWA cover.

From my limited understanding, last time Dazza found an issue with dry solder joints that affected the ABS, so hopefully something as simple and easily found/rectified this time around. Only trouble is we are now starting to lose faith in the old girl (at 280,000 km last week) for any long/country trips.

My tool also has a slightly loose cover, but short of using a hose type clamp, I've not yet discovered how to tighten it, as I can't see any screws.

Could the problem be, inserting obd tool whilst car is running?
Rob

[gavinwibrow]

Could the problem be, inserting obd tool whilst car is running?
Rob


Yes, possible, but as far as I know, should not be any inhibition to doing it this way. Would be interested in any info, and will contact Canada when I get back to civilisation/decent internet speeds.

[DiscoJeffster]

Could the problem be, inserting obd tool whilst car is running?
Rob

Nope. Do it all the time with my Gap tool

[StewG]

I just got the dreaded Restricted Performance and engine caution warnings up on my D4 2013 SDV6. This got me thinking about a GAP OBD2 BT Tool. Do you have a second hand (good) one that I can buy or do I have to go to the $800+ Canadian manufacturer? [bawl]

[josh.huber]

I just got the dreaded Restricted Performance and engine caution warnings up on my D4 2013 SDV6. This got me thinking about a GAP OBD2 BT Tool. Do you have a second hand (good) one that I can buy or do I have to go to the $800+ Canadian manufacturer? [bawl]

You'll never regret it..