New Build - 'Standard' vs 'S' Pricing and features

[Keydien]

I'm considering a new Defender as my next vehicle and have been playing around in the builder on the LR website. I'll be using the car for a mix of daily commuting but also actually taking it off-road and camping primarily in the Vic high country so i don't want something super posh inside.

I've specced out a 'Standard' and an 'S' P300 to exactly the same features (screen, lights, rear diff, sound system etc). The only difference between them is the seating, where the 'S' comes with the 12-way powered and leather/textile seats, whereas the Standard comes with 8-way powered full fabric seats.

Are there any other differences i'm missing? I've gone through the specs and i can't see anything else.

The price difference sits at close to $7k ($96,511 vs $89,628 driveaway). Surely the seats can't account for an extra $7k?

[Tins]

Surely the seats can't account for an extra $7k?

This is LR we're talking about, right?

[scarry]

This is LR we're talking about, right?

Also with one huge confusing list of highly priced extras.

Well it was when I was looking through it a good few months ago, did my head in.

In the end, with the lack of available vehicles, and constantly changing prices I moved on.

Anyway,good luck with it all.

[Arapiles]

Every time I spec one with the stuff that I'd expect to be on it I get to about $130k and think, nah, I'll buy the Patrol and save $30k..

[Tins]

Every time I spec one with the stuff that I'd expect to be on it I get to about $130k and think, nah, I'll buy the Patrol and save $30k..

And... you'll get that sick V8!

Still, the Y62 V8 is HARD on the CVs if you test them. Quite a car though.

[Vern]

And... you'll get that sick V8!

Still, the Y62 V8 is HARD on the CVs if you test them. Quite a car though.No its not, its only hard on cv's if yours is the supercharged version and you drive it like you stole it.

[Vern]

Every time I spec one with the stuff that I'd expect to be on it I get to about $130k and think, nah, I'll buy the Patrol and save $30k..At that price, i saved $65k going for the patrol over the defender. $30k you're paying to much

[Keydien]

Every time I spec one with the stuff that I'd expect to be on it I get to about $130k and think, nah, I'll buy the Patrol and save $30k..

That must be quite the spec you build. P400 HSE with some extra bits i take it?

Not really comparable to a Patrol, a 10 year old car, that has fewer features in it than the base Defender. Cracker v8 though.

Also i'll assume nobody knows the answer to my original post given that its still new with little availability. I've got couple of tests drives lined up this coming weekend, so i'll have a chat to the dealer staff and come back.

[Arapiles]

At that price, i saved $65k going for the patrol over the defender. $30k you're paying to much

The 5th generation Ti-Ls are listed at about $100k at present, not sure if they can be got any cheaper.

[Arapiles]

That must be quite the spec you build. P400 HSE with some extra bits i take it?

Not really comparable to a Patrol, a 10 year old car, that has fewer features in it than the base Defender. Cracker v8 though.

Also i'll assume nobody knows the answer to my original post given that its still new with little availability. I've got couple of tests drives lined up this coming weekend, so i'll have a chat to the dealer staff and come back.

No, I don't think so, but as a test I just ran the absolute base model - Defender / D200 / 5 seats / cloth / steel wheels - and it came in at $92,314 drive away. Add even just 7 seats to that, with rear aircon and you're already at $100k. And that's without even a tow bar ... or heated seats .... For that money you'd be in a Ti-L Patrol that is absolutely fully equipped, including a built-in fridge and rear DVD screens. The Defender would probably go further off road, but only because of the EAS.

[Tins]

No its not, its only hard on cv's if yours is the supercharged version and you drive it like you stole it.

But most are, and most do.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's an awesome vehicle. My words were: HARD on the CVs if you test them.

[Vern]

But most are, and most do.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's an awesome vehicle. My words were: HARD on the CVs if you test them. 540hp does that.
But, in my time of being on the y62 pages and a y62 owner, only a handful of them have had cv issues.

[100inch]

I'm considering a new Defender as my next vehicle and have been playing around in the builder on the LR website. I'll be using the car for a mix of daily commuting but also actually taking it off-road and camping primarily in the Vic high country so i don't want something super posh inside.

I've specced out a 'Standard' and an 'S' P300 to exactly the same features (screen, lights, rear diff, sound system etc). The only difference between them is the seating, where the 'S' comes with the 12-way powered and leather/textile seats, whereas the Standard comes with 8-way powered full fabric seats.

Are there any other differences i'm missing? I've gone through the specs and i can't see anything else.

The price difference sits at close to $7k ($96,511 vs $89,628 driveaway). Surely the seats can't account for an extra $7k?

You get some differences in regards to display etc.
My tip; print out the AUS spec guide and highlight your choices. But make sure it is the latest spec sheet (download from LR AUS), specific for Australia as they are different from lets say UK ones. Having a LR with upgraded headlights, I highly suggest you consider this option too as it makes a massive difference. The centre fridge is another great option too on long trips.
Enjoy! m

PS: Just ignore advice from people who never will buy a new one. Or actually anything new...

[Keydien]

No, I don't think so, but as a test I just ran the absolute base model - Defender / D200 / 5 seats / cloth / steel wheels - and it came in at $92,314 drive away. Add even just 7 seats to that, with rear aircon and you're already at $100k. And that's without even a tow bar ... or heated seats .... For that money you'd be in a Ti-L Patrol that is absolutely fully equipped, including a built-in fridge and rear DVD screens. The Defender would probably go further off road, but only because of the EAS.

Not sure what you were doing then. The one i specced out is as follows:

Defender 110 Standard P300
Upgraded 18" satin dark grey alloys (not steelies)
Upgraded Full LED headlights with signature DRL and foglights
Upgraded Meridian sound system
Upgraded Full digital dash
Electronic locking rear diff

Total: $88,122 drive away at full RRP. That's $3k more than a Patrol Ti, and $13k less than a Ti-L - for a much better equipped, newer, better tech, safer, more fuel efficient car.

The Patrol seems like a horrible deal in comparison to be honest. But get whatever makes you happy.




You get some differences in regards to display etc.
My tip; print out the AUS spec guide and highlight your choices. But make sure it is the latest spec sheet (download from LR AUS), specific for Australia as they are different from lets say UK ones. Having a LR with upgraded headlights, I highly suggest you consider this option too as it makes a massive difference. The centre fridge is another great option too on long trips.
Enjoy! m

PS: Just ignore advice from people who never will buy a new one. Or actually anything new...

Thanks - will do. I got the feeling that there may have been some armchair critics.

[Vern]

Not sure what you were doing then. The one i specced out is as follows:

Defender 110 Standard P300
Upgraded 18" satin dark grey alloys (not steelies)
Upgraded Full LED headlights with signature DRL and foglights
Upgraded Meridian sound system
Upgraded Full digital dash
Electronic locking rear diff

Total: $88,122 drive away at full RRP. That's $3k more than a Patrol Ti, and $13k less than a Ti-L - for a much better equipped, newer, better tech, safer, more fuel efficient car.

The Patrol seems like a horrible deal in comparison to be honest. But get whatever makes you happy.





Thanks - will do. I got the feeling that there may have been some armchair critics.Don't know what you are doing, but the ti is going for between $68-$75k ti-l, $83-$92k.
Thats what people are paying depending on the state they live in, no one is paying rrp, unless they aren't that bright. Guessing theres no haggle room on the defender, you pay what they say?

Also 18" alloys standard
Diff lock standard
298kw standard [emoji1].

I really wanted to trade ours in on the defender, it would have to be the p400, i have a thirst for petro powe now, but the sheer values for money and size and room, i just can't do it.
Defender does look way cooler though[emoji41]

[Arapiles]

Not sure what you were doing then. The one i specced out is as follows:

Defender 110 Standard P300
Upgraded 18" satin dark grey alloys (not steelies)
Upgraded Full LED headlights with signature DRL and foglights
Upgraded Meridian sound system
Upgraded Full digital dash
Electronic locking rear diff

Total: $88,122 drive away at full RRP. That's $3k more than a Patrol Ti, and $13k less than a Ti-L - for a much better equipped, newer, better tech, safer, more fuel efficient car.

The Patrol seems like a horrible deal in comparison to be honest. But get whatever makes you happy.





Thanks - will do. I got the feeling that there may have been some armchair critics.


I think that you missed that the base diesel engine starts at $92 k.

The base Defenders are significantly less well equipped than the Patrol.

[Arapiles]

PS: Just ignore advice from people who never will buy a new one. Or actually anything new...


The truth is that the Defender is premium priced and way more than most current Defender owners would be prepared to spend - check the comments about that on this very website.

In relation to buying new cars, a management consultant I worked with a few years back was of the view that it was insane to spend money on an immediately depreciating asset, and he'd never done so. And I've heard the same thing from accountants. I know a number of very successful lawyers who only ever buy and drive second-hand cars, and I'm talking about people with seven figure incomes. Some mates I played rugby with used to drive absolutely crap cars, and their families owned big chunks of the Western District. So I'd suggest that you not judge a persons wealth by what they're driving.

Edit: oh, and some friends of ours just dropped $6m+ on a house, which they're also renovating, and last time I checked they were driving an old Japanese car.

Edit: and my mate who owns a hedge fund (you know, couple of billion under management, gets quoted in the international financial press, that kind of thing) doesn't own a car at all.

[Tins]

You get some differences in regards to display etc.
My tip; print out the AUS spec guide and highlight your choices. But make sure it is the latest spec sheet (download from LR AUS), specific for Australia as they are different from lets say UK ones. Having a LR with upgraded headlights, I highly suggest you consider this option too as it makes a massive difference. The centre fridge is another great option too on long trips.
Enjoy! m

PS: Just ignore advice from people who never will buy a new one. Or actually anything new...
Or just ignore advice from people who judge the opinions of others based on their buying choices.

[100inch]

The truth is that the Defender is premium priced and way more than most current Defender owners would be prepared to spend - check the comments about that on this very website.

In relation to buying new cars, a management consultant I worked with a few years back was of the view that it was insane to spend money on an immediately depreciating asset, and he'd never done so. And I've heard the same thing from accountants. I know a number of very successful lawyers who only ever buy and drive second-hand cars, and I'm talking about people with seven figure incomes. Some mates I played rugby with used to drive absolutely crap cars, and their families owned big chunks of the Western District. So I'd suggest that you not judge a persons wealth by what they're driving.

Edit: oh, and some friends of ours just dropped $6m+ on a house, which they're also renovating, and last time I checked they were driving an old Japanese car.

Edit: and my mate who owns a hedge fund (you know, couple of billion under management, gets quoted in the international financial press, that kind of thing) doesn't own a car at all.
Coooool! And do you look at your mates picture on daily basis? Just asking for a friend.....

[scarry]

The Patrol seems like a horrible deal in comparison to be honest. But get whatever makes you happy.
.

Not really,

The Patrol is much larger,particularly in the rear cargo area,and has a reputation for being more reliable and having way better resale than any modern LR product.


Sure it’s not the latest and greatest,has 85 PCB,s,but that’s not what everyone wants,even though they can easily afford it.



Not taking sides,it just the facts.

[Arapiles]

Not taking sides, it just the facts.


Ditto, I just pointed out that the Defender, like all LR products, doesn't come standard with gear (like an LSD) that other makes include as standard for the same or less money, but I appear to have touched a nerve. LR did say prior to the release of the Defender that this one would be different and would be better equipped but it's really not.

[Arapiles]

540hp does that.

But, in my time of being on the y62 pages and a y62 owner, only a handful of them have had cv issues.


Did you / do you use the third row much? My kids are outgrowing the D4 and the greater leg room in the second row of the Y62 would be good, but we would need to use the third row most of the time and I'd heard it's not as good as the D4s third row.

[Vern]

Did you / do you use the third row much? My kids are outgrowing the D4 and the greater leg room in the second row of the Y62 would be good, but we would need to use the third row most of the time and I'd heard it's not as good as the D4s third row.Yes all the time, used it yesterday when we took some friends for drive.
As for the 2nd row, i am 6'5", and fit no dramas at all, knees don't even come close to the back of the front seats, it has as much leg room, if not roomier than my old LSE soft dash.

[scarry]

Ditto, I just pointed out that the Defender, like all LR products, doesn't come standard with gear (like an LSD) that other makes include as standard for the same or less money, but I appear to have touched a nerve. LR did say prior to the release of the Defender that this one would be different and would be better equipped but it's really not.

And it did all this testing so it would be super reliable,i supposed time will tell.

What I should have also said, is the Y62 is pretty well appointed, and in my opinion much better value for money, than the New Defender.

We looked very closely at the new Defender,sure,its the latest and greatest,for those that want that, but when you start adding all the extras, to be in the same league as a Ti-l,or for that matter the other JAP offerings, its price blows out ridiculously.

Same with D5,we looked at that as well.

Just wondering, do all the Petrol Defender models have to run Premium?
Does the Y62?

[Vern]

Just wondering, do all the Petrol Defender models have to run Premium?
Does the Y62?
Nope we run 91, 95, 98, e10 in ours, you can barely notice the difference between 91 and 98. Can't notice the difference between 95, 98, and e10.

[Arapiles]

Just wondering, do all the Petrol Defender models have to run Premium?
Does the Y62?

Nissan says that the Y62 needs to run on RON95 or higher. You could probably run it on 91 because the ECU would deal with it you'd just get less power and economy. I used to put a tank of 95/98 into my CR-V every couple of fills and it did get better economy on the higher octane fuel, so its ECU could evidently adjust settings to deal with it.

[Vern]

Nissan says that the Y62 needs to run on RON95 or higher. You could probably run it on 91 because the ECU would deal with it you'd just get less power and economy. I used to put a tank of 95/98 into my CR-V every couple of fills and it did get better economy on the higher octane fuel, so its ECU could evidently adjust settings to deal with it.Nissan says, for best performance use 98. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210125/2ad50b24b849c7e323f70d1d15fecaf7.jpg
The book says you can use all of them

[101RRS]

I thought this was a thread about working out whether to buy Standard Defender vs a S Defender - and here we are talking about crappy Datsun Y62s - WTF.

If you like Datsuns fo to a Datsun forum.

[Vern]

I thought this was a thread about working out whether to buy Standard Defender vs a S Defender - and here we are talking about crappy Datsun Y62s - WTF.

If you like Datsuns fo to a Datsun forum.Thats aulro, its how it works, nothing stays on track, if you don't like it, scroll on

[101RRS]

Thats aulro, its how it works, nothing stays on track, if you don't like it, scroll on

And? - what has your Y62 discussion to do with buying a Defender - Ok if it is relevant, but it is not.

[Vern]

And? - what has your Y62 discussion to do with buying a Defender - Ok if it is relevant, but it is not.Hey i didn't bring it up, just answering questions and correcting miss information.
Don't like it, scroll on

[Arapiles]

And? - what has your Y62 discussion to do with buying a Defender - Ok if it is relevant, but it is not.

Relevance is that for the same money JLR want for a low-spec Defender you could get a Y62. Or two Pajeros.

Which was the discussion.

[scarry]

Relevance is that for the same money JLR want for a low-spec Defender you could get a Y62. Or two Pajeros.

Which was the discussion.

Or 3 D4's[tonguewink]

[ramblingboy42]

Does anyone know if the dealers bringing in any defenders on spec or are all vehicles coming in built to order.

I'm just wondering if there is such a thing as a non optioned base spec vehicle available , or would you have to order it[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

[Arapiles]

Does anyone know if the dealers bringing in any defenders on spec or are all vehicles coming in built to order.

I'm just wondering if there is such a thing as a non optioned base spec vehicle available , or would you have to order it[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

Dunno, but they played that game with the D4, which is why CarSales always says that they’re 5 seaters, but they were all actually spec’ed with 7 seats as a compulsory “option”, unless you specifically ordered a 5 seater.

[Tins]

540hp does that.


Certainly it does, but does it need to? Everything about the car is what it can, not about what it does.


Sure. it's great. Is it good?

FWIW, if I had the $$$ i'd give it a go.

[101RRS]

Relevance is that for the same money JLR want for a low-spec Defender you could get a Y62. Or two Pajeros.

Which was the discussion.

But the OP never mentioned he was interested in a Y62 - just wanting information on the two Defenders [tonguewink]

[zilch]

Does anyone know if the dealers bringing in any defenders on spec or are all vehicles coming in built to order.

I'm just wondering if there is such a thing as a non optioned base spec vehicle available , or would you have to order it[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

caught up with my local stealer the other week whilst waiting for some bits to be added to mine by the Service dept, they had taken delivery of 4 Defenders on spec, sold 2 within the week of them
arriving. 94K will get you the base Defender with the new six cylinder MHEV D250 plant, and signature DRL, alloys.. 97K adds the Meridian and E-diff. The dealer did say many people are actually
spec'ing their own and waiting for their builds. I have not seen many P300's to be honest, the couple the dealer had were both P400's

[Garfield]

caught up with my local stealer the other week whilst waiting for some bits to be added to mine by the Service dept, they had taken delivery of 4 Defenders on spec, sold 2 within the week of them
arriving. 94K will get you the base Defender with the new six cylinder MHEV D250 plant, and signature DRL, alloys.. 97K adds the Meridian and E-diff. The dealer did say many people are actually
spec'ing their own and waiting for their builds. I have not seen many P300's to be honest, the couple the dealer had were both P400's

Just for interest I ordered a new Defender 110 21MY D300 SE 5-Door 3.0L i6 220kW back in late November, with an estimated delivery date of Mid May - which has now been extended to mid June due to further COVID delays ( both shipping and production). Out of the total sales price, unfortunately the below taxes etc are charged - which adds considerably to the total cost :-

Dealer Delivery 3,800.00
Registration Fee 302.40
Compulsory Third Party 532.40
VIC - Admin Fee 36.13
VIC - Slimline Plate Black Fee 185.00
GST 8,953.27
LCT 8,923.79
Stamp Duty 7,532.00

Thus so much of the actual cost goes to the government [bigsad]

Recently the stealer informed me they would get their first D250 in about a months time but for some reason ( unkown to him ), the D300 has been delayed and my order will probably be one of the first Defender D300 for the dealership.

[Garfield]

p.s. it was very difficult to haggle with the dealer at the time of order, as he new there was a large time delivery delay and very little Defender stock coming to Aust over the coming months.

[saket4love]

I'm considering a new Defender as my next vehicle and have been playing around in the builder on the LR website. I'll be using the car for a mix of daily commuting but also actually taking it off-road and camping primarily in the Vic high country so i don't want something super posh inside.

I've specced out a 'Standard' and an 'S' P300 to exactly the same features (screen, lights, rear diff, sound system etc). The only difference between them is the seating, where the 'S' comes with the 12-way powered and leather/textile seats, whereas the Standard comes with 8-way powered full fabric seats.

Are there any other differences i'm missing? I've gone through the specs and i can't see anything else.

The price difference sits at close to $7k ($96,511 vs $89,628 driveaway). Surely the seats can't account for an extra $7k?

I was in the exact same situation a couple of weeks ago, in the end I decided to go with the 'S' P300 6-seater.
Apart from the seating/leather difference, the steering and gear shift in the standard is not leather. The wheels in the standard are 18" steel vs 19" Silver (or 18" Dark Grey) in the 'S'.

For all those saying it's expensive, I think we pay a premium for the luxury and the brand (for a tiny bit of less reliability). I've had my RR Evoque for 6yrs without a single issue, done heaps of camping trips and off roading). The servicing frequency of 2yrs makes it less expensive to maintain. And for the numerous times I've heard 'I love your car, its my dream car', it's not my dream anymore. You can surely save $$$ if you want to let your dreams be dreams (for many LR dreamers). I don't get why someone would go to a LR showroom and bang on about how good a patrol or a Toyota is?

[saket4love]

I'm considering a new Defender as my next vehicle and have been playing around in the builder on the LR website. I'll be using the car for a mix of daily commuting but also actually taking it off-road and camping primarily in the Vic high country so i don't want something super posh inside.

I've specced out a 'Standard' and an 'S' P300 to exactly the same features (screen, lights, rear diff, sound system etc). The only difference between them is the seating, where the 'S' comes with the 12-way powered and leather/textile seats, whereas the Standard comes with 8-way powered full fabric seats.

Are there any other differences i'm missing? I've gone through the specs and i can't see anything else.

The price difference sits at close to $7k ($96,511 vs $89,628 driveaway). Surely the seats can't account for an extra $7k?


I was in the exact same situation a couple of weeks ago, in the end I decided to go with the 'S' P300 6-seater.
Apart from the seating/leather difference, the steering and gear shift in the standard is not leather. The wheels in the standard are 18" steel vs 19" Silver (or 18" Dark Grey) in the 'S'.

For all those saying it's expensive, I think we pay a premium for the luxury and the brand (for a tiny bit of less reliability). I've had my RR Evoque for 6yrs without a single issue, done heaps of camping trips and off roading). The servicing frequency of 2yrs makes it less expensive to maintain. And for the numerous times I've heard 'I love your car, its my dream car', it's not my dream anymore. You can surely save $$$ if you want to let your dreams be dreams (for many LR dreamers). I don't get why someone would go to a LR showroom and bang on about how good a patrol or Toyota is?

[Mike-DefTD5]

It's a bucket load of cash for what you're looking to use it for. Better for you to buy a good quality 7 seater second hand Disco (HSE), one that has a lot of after market accessories... bull bar, spotties, raised air etc. You'll save yourself $50k and still be driving a land rover.


I'm considering a new Defender as my next vehicle and have been playing around in the builder on the LR website. I'll be using the car for a mix of daily commuting but also actually taking it off-road and camping primarily in the Vic high country so i don't want something super posh inside.

I've specced out a 'Standard' and an 'S' P300 to exactly the same features (screen, lights, rear diff, sound system etc). The only difference between them is the seating, where the 'S' comes with the 12-way powered and leather/textile seats, whereas the Standard comes with 8-way powered full fabric seats.

Are there any other differences i'm missing? I've gone through the specs and i can't see anything else.

The price difference sits at close to $7k ($96,511 vs $89,628 driveaway). Surely the seats can't account for an extra $7k?

[100inch]

It's a bucket load of cash for what you're looking to use it for. Better for you to buy a good quality 7 seater second hand Disco (HSE), one that has a lot of after market accessories... bull bar, spotties, raised air etc. You'll save yourself $50k and still be driving a land rover.
He left a while ago .....(quote) Thanks - will do. I got the feeling that there may have been some armchair critics.....

[StewG]

"Better for you to buy a good quality 7 seater second hand Disco (HSE),"

Go back four years and that's what I did. Test drove the last (2016) model D4 and loved it. I just could not stomach the huge price and loss of $,000s on driving it out the door. So I found a good MY13 SDV6 HSE and have seldom regretted it. A good as new vehicle for half price! The only regrets stem from LR stealers that treat you like a billionaire and the known problem areas: sticky door locks, cracking inlet manifolds, can't think of anything else that I can name. The D4 is a very capable, very comfortable, magnificent vehicle.

Still, that's not helping you pick between two Defender models. JLR have moved on and "improved" their vehicles. Sorry...