A small electric hatchback makes me cry

[maxperformance]

I almost dropped my phone and cried when I saw this article this morning where it shows 173kw/605Nm torque out from a small hatchback Hyundai.

Crying. Im still struggling to power my D2a to 130kw/420Nm.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210223/66178de700b2668dce85fcaa6a619eec.jpg

[Homestar]

Yeah, and full torque as soon as you move too.

Interested to see what the pricing is too - current model is far inferior in spec compared to the new models top spec and starts at $60K plus on roads so not really a viable option for most at the moment. I would be hoping for a decrease in price for the base spec of this, but will see.

[SPROVER]

It's a bit hard comparing a 20 + year old land rover to this! Let's compare it to a Hyundai 20 years ago [emoji16][emoji23]

[shwza]

It's a bit hard comparing a 20 + year old land rover to this! Let's compare it to a Hyundai 20 years ago [emoji16][emoji23]

2001 Hyundai accent

1.6 L 16-valve DOHC Alpha I4, 106 hp (79 kW) and 106 lb⋅ft (144 N⋅m)


0–100 km/h: 10.9 sec., top speed: 189 km/h (117 mph)

Fun fact
The "Accent" name is an abbreviation of Advanced Compact Car of Epoch-making New Technology.

[cripesamighty]

Don’t cry. If you want to keep the D2 and get equivalent power, you could always drop in a D4’s 3.0L unit and get 180kW and 600Nm. After all, if you can fit a D3’s 2.7L TDV6 into a D1, you should get that to fit into a D2. I always did want to buy that kit from the UK! 😁 👍

Then again, that’s a lot of get up and go in that little thing. I’ll take the AWD thanks!

[Bohica]

Will this Hyundai go up Rockey Track in Toolangi State Forest?

[maxperformance]

Im so tempting to think about (switching to) a D3 Manual which can be tuned to 185kw /510Nm which definitely is in the power range I love.
Don’t cry. If you want to keep the D2 and get equivalent power, you could always drop in a D4’s 3.0L unit and get 180kW and 600Nm. After all, if you can fit a D3’s 2.7L TDV6 into a D1, you should get that to fit into a D2. I always did want to buy that kit from the UK! [emoji16] [emoji106]

Then again, that’s a lot of get up and go in that little thing. I’ll take the AWD thanks!

[shwza]

It's a bit hard comparing a 20 + year old land rover to this! Let's compare it to a Hyundai 20 years ago [emoji16][emoji23]

Actually I think the 2001 accent has better power to weight than the rover. It's about 1100 kgs and the rover is about 2500 isn't it. That means the accent has 79kw to 1100 which is about 0.071 and the rover is 130 to 2500 which is 0.051. Sorry but the 2001 Hyundai is still better powered 😂

[Blknight.aus]

bet thats torque at the wheels....

Id wager almost any proper landy can do better just by moving one lever

[goingbush]

bet thats torque at the wheels....

Id wager almost any proper landy can do better just by moving one lever


Electric motor in my Landy only has like 150 Nm , but it has over 6000 Nm in Low first . Its the torque at Zero RPM that makes electric a winner.


https://youtu.be/8GFqk3EZNK8

[Blknight.aus]

SUBSEQUENTLY...

I also bet that if the battery in the Gstring goes flat you cant just get out, push it along for a few meters jump in and dump the clutch on first to get it going again.

[Bohica]

I can't wait to drive the Cybertruck on the Canning Stock Route. Oh severe lack of range. OK let's cross the Simpson desert. Oh severe lack of range. Long weekend around the Little Desert in Victoria? maybe enough range. With the TD5 etc. You can always drive to nearest town and fill with diesel. You'd need to stay overnight or more to charge up the Cybertruck. I cannot see the charging infrastructure going through out this country. The population is small and the distances vast. One day we may be able to drive an EV to Perth or Darwin in less than a week.
I will buy a Tesla, one day. Not for off roading. I'll keep the D2 for that.

[thai_tiger]

In China they are ready have battery exchange stations. Battery technology for distance is not there yet, so that's probably the way rest of world will go. But to be sure times are a changin.
If it makes us happy we might consider converting our D2's too electric, at least we can carry a shed load of batteries.[wink11]


China's Nio Lets EV Drivers Swap Battery Quick and Hit the Road (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33670482/nio-swappable-batteries-lease/)

[Tins]

SUBSEQUENTLY...

I also bet that if the battery in the Gstring goes flat you cant just get out, push it along for a few meters jump in and dump the clutch on first to get it going again.

Lol. Have to say, I can't do that with my D1 either. Damn thing is too heavy and I'm too old. But you are correct, Dave. A few blokes, or a minor slope, and you're away.

[Tins]

Actually I think the 2001 accent has better power to weight than the rover. It's about 1100 kgs and the rover is about 2500 isn't it. That means the accent has 79kw to 1100 which is about 0.071 and the rover is 130 to 2500 which is 0.051. Sorry but the 2001 Hyundai is still better powered 😂

And yet you got a barn find SIII and seem to be loving doing it up. Will you seek out a barn find Accent in 20 years?

[Tins]

I almost dropped my phone and cried when I saw this article this morning where it shows 173kw/605Nm torque out from a small hatchback Hyundai.

Crying. Im still struggling to power my D2a to 130kw/420Nm.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210223/66178de700b2668dce85fcaa6a619eec.jpg

So, buy one. We can have a race. My D2 and your whatever it is. Same day set out. First one to Lake Disappointment wins. No outside help allowed. Wagers, anyone?

The Tesla Model S outperforms pretty much anything the exotics can throw at it. Trouble is, it can only do so once, or maybe twice, before it's off to the naughty corner to be recharged. That power and torque isn't free, no matter what the luvvies want you to think.

Doc Brown's Mr Fusion thing might help you win. But we can't say the N word.

[Bohica]

Electric Land Rovers
Classic electric vehicles for adventure — Jaunt (https://jauntmotors.com/)
BTW to convert costs about $40K

[rdenyer]

Don’t cry. If you want to keep the D2 and get equivalent power, you could always drop in a D4’s 3.0L unit and get 180kW and 600Nm. After all, if you can fit a D3’s 2.7L TDV6 into a D1, you should get that to fit into a D2. I always did want to buy that kit from the UK! 😁 👍

Then again, that’s a lot of get up and go in that little thing. I’ll take the AWD thanks!

It’s now possible to convert classic cars to Electric
Quiet a few overseas companies doing this, and now there is a company Classic electric vehicles for adventure — Jaunt (https://jauntmotors.com/) Melbourne that is doing conversion for classic Landrovers - should not be too hard to for a D2.
Not sure about range - but the great thing about a 4WD is that it can carry a lot of batteries

[goingbush]

I can't wait to drive the Cybertruck on the Canning Stock Route. Oh severe lack of range. OK let's cross the Simpson desert. Oh severe lack of range. Long weekend around the Little Desert in Victoria? maybe enough range. With the TD5 etc. You can always drive to nearest town and fill with diesel. You'd need to stay overnight or more to charge up the Cybertruck. I cannot see the charging infrastructure going through out this country. The population is small and the distances vast. One day we may be able to drive an EV to Perth or Darwin in less than a week.
I will buy a Tesla, one day. Not for off roading. I'll keep the D2 for that.

Haters are going to be haters, cant change that

This is early days, did you hear about Mark French , the bloke that founded Marks 4WD Adaptors converted a Suzuki 4x4 to EV and drove it across the Simpson , driving into the night till battery went flat , camped and charged during the day by solar only , repeat , Took 4 days . Took me longer the first time I crossed in a Petrol Landy in the 1980's .


Unsealed 4X4 | SMASHING THE SIMPSON DESERT WITH SOLAR POWER (https://www.unsealed4x4.com.au/smashing-simpson-desert-solar-power/)

Nothing high tech about it either.

Take a while doing that in an ICE waiting for trees to grow (thanks to solar power by the way) , and then a couple of billion years for them to turn into oil .

[maxperformance]

At about 2035 we start seeing all LR EV without diesel (so too many governments around the world commit to new EV cars production at the same time).

And some researches said we would still have about 150 - 300 years of fossil fuel until they are all gone on the Earth.

So it seems that all of us still can enjoy whatever it was designed for, although I think diesel/petrol prices in 2035 upwards might be a bit too shocked at some degrees ;)

[shwza]

And yet you got a barn find SIII and seem to be loving doing it up. Will you seek out a barn find Accent in 20 years?

It's funny you say that! A couple of young fellas I know were telling me about how Toyota starlet are starting to become rare and hard to find etc. I said why would you ever want a starlet what a horrible car 😂

I never said I don't love the Landys! I'd much rather get there slowly and in style any day! I thought it was a really funny comparison that's all

[goingbush]

At about 2035 we start seeing all LR EV without diesel (so too many governments around the world commit to new EV cars production at the same time).

And some researches said we would still have about 150 - 300 years of fossil fuel until they are all gone on the Earth.

So it seems that all of us still can enjoy whatever it was designed for, although I think diesel/petrol prices in 2035 upwards might be a bit too shocked at some degrees ;)

The switch to EV or hydrogen has nothing at all to do with the planet running out of oil , or coal. I doubt you'll be able to 'enjoy' driving on oil at all maybe 5 -10 years after the EV proliferation, I get why you would want to , nostalgia , romance , yada yada like some folk still like driving old steam engines and vintage cars about.

Some people still smoke knowing it will kill them and possibly kill their loved ones too, so why would people like that give a **** about the health of the planet.

[PhilipA]

Hyundai is recalling what looks like all of the electric Konas to replace the battery pack as several have caught fire.

The last conversion I saw on a RRC was in LRO a couple of years ago using used Tesla batteries, which are a finite resource and which will probably rise in value and the conversion cost was AFAIR about Aud 50k.
The below is part of a Reuter’s report which I copied and pasted and I am crap at it

regards PhilipA

The recall is one of the first mass battery pack replacements conducted by a major automaker.
“It’s very significant for both Hyundai and LG as we are in the early stages of the electric vehicle era. How Hyundai handles this will set a precedent not just in South Korea but also for other countries,” said Lee Hang-koo, senior researcher at the Korea Institute for Industrial Economics & Trade.
The recall mostly concerns the Kona EV, Hyundai’s biggest-selling electric car which was first recalled late last year for a software upgrade after a spate of fires. One of the recalled Kona EVs caught fire in January, however, and South Korean authorities launched a probe into whether the first recall had been adequate.
LG Energy Solution, a division of LG Chem Ltd which manufactures the batteries, was quick to deflect criticism.
It said in a statement that Hyundai misapplied LG’s suggestions for fast-charging logic in the battery management system, adding the battery cell should not be seen as the direct cause of the fire risks.
South Korea’s transport ministry said in a statement that some defects had been found in some battery cells produced at LG Energy’s China factory. Hyundai did not comment on the cause of the fires.
Hyundai

[goingbush]

Hyundai is recalling what looks like all of the electric Konas to replace the battery pack as several have caught fire.

The last conversion I saw on a RRC was in LRO a couple of years ago using used Tesla batteries, which are a finite resource and which will probably rise in value and the conversion cost was AFAIR about Aud 50k.

regards PhilipA

Used Tesla cells will never be a finite resource, and are coming down in price as their efficiency increases.

Many people are Using Nissan Leaf as a conversion donor now, You can easily achieve 300HP and you can land a complete Leaf ex Japan for $10000 with plenty of battery life left.

[PhilipA]

So why is that?
maybe because that is for a pre 2016 😍😍😣 Leaf with the small battery which is down to typically 80km range.


I did a bit of study on Leafs and the early ones are not pretty as there is no thermal management of the battery when charging.

There is a company in NZ which reconditions and upgrades Leaf batteries but it ain’t cheap and you generally cannot put a later battery in an early car.

Just on used Tesla batteries. Are you aware that many if not most wrecked Tesla’s in the USA now offered for auction have their batteries stolen before auction and not declared. Poor fool who buys one at auction as a non runner to find no battery.

regards PhilipA

[rdenyer]

I can't wait to drive the Cybertruck on the Canning Stock Route. Oh severe lack of range. OK let's cross the Simpson desert. Oh severe lack of range. Long weekend around the Little Desert in Victoria? maybe enough range. With the TD5 etc. You can always drive to nearest town and fill with diesel. You'd need to stay overnight or more to charge up the Cybertruck. I cannot see the charging infrastructure going through out this country. The population is small and the distances vast. One day we may be able to drive an EV to Perth or Darwin in less than a week.
I will buy a Tesla, one day. Not for off roading. I'll keep the D2 for that.

Yes “Range Anxiety” is a big issue with Australia’s big distance, but there is a lot more development going in to battery technology, than new Diesel engines.
Hybrid Electric is another viable option
Range will improve overtime, but in the next couple of years I can see a lot of us 4WD owners with a small electric city car, and we save our 4WD for those trips where its really needed.
Landrover has committed to delivering some all electric models in 2024, Jaguar will be all electric by 2025 .

Dont get me wrong - I love a big diesel, but I think the writing is on the wall

[Bohica]

Yes “Range Anxiety” is a big issue with Australia’s big distance, but there is a lot more development going in to battery technology, than new Diesel engines.
Hybrid Electric is another viable option
Range will improve overtime, but in the next couple of years I can see a lot of us 4WD owners with a small electric city car, and we save our 4WD for those trips where its really needed.
Landrover has committed to delivering some all electric models in 2024, Jaguar will be all electric by 2025 .

Dont get me wrong - I love a big diesel, but I think the writing is on the wall

My small electric city car will be a Model X!
It will be a long long time until and EV 4WD can do the CSR!

[discorevy]

I almost dropped my phone and cried when I saw this article this morning where it shows 173kw/605Nm torque out from a small hatchback Hyundai.

Crying. Im still struggling to power my D2a to 130kw/420Nm.


Not exactly comparing apples with apples .

Just a matter of fitting a few bits to your D2a and getting a decent tune to turn that frown up side down.

[goingbush]

My small electric city car will be a Model X!
It will be a long long time until and EV 4WD can do the CSR!

Want to put money on that ? I could do it now but I have better things to do, will easily be done by someone within 5 years, no problem. Electric already crossed the Simpson, CSR is just longer , no change in tech needed.

[shwza]

And yet you got a barn find SIII and seem to be loving doing it up. Will you seek out a barn find Accent in 20 years?

My series 3 is 54 kw at best and at 1600kg that's really not even close to either of them 😂
If the Accemnt was rear wheel drive sure I'd give one a go.. maybe if someone gave it to me..

[rdenyer]

My small electric city car will be a Model X!
It will be a long long time until and EV 4WD can do the CSR!

How good would be doing the CSR in a well prepared Range Rover PHEV ? Not in my price range - but this tech will be appearing in other models

[cripesamighty]

I wouldn’t mind an EV to replace my Forester for city driving (I will probably do a conversion of some sort), but they are currently unworkable to me for long range travelling and off-roading. For example, the last time I drove to Darwin from Perth via the Nullarbor, I had a friend with me who was on a tight schedule. It was a spur of the moment trip and we had 9 days to get to Darwin (their flight was booked to get back to work), with a whole bunch of side trips included. After that I came home via the Top End. That’s not feasible in any current EV, which is why I have my Disco. It’s horses for courses.

As for the Simpson trip, I thought it was an awesome exercise to prove the tech and followed both the earlier attempt and this one. Real world considerations are currently beyond its scope though. The Suzuki was not carrying much of a payload, or was towing anything, as the support vehicle literally did the heavy lifting. That’s not to say Hydrogen, EV or some other tech will mature to take over from ICE in the future for longer ranged applications. It just might take a while.