Steel Rims on a PUMA - What styles are out there?

[Robmacca]

Guys...

Looking at changing to a Steel Rims (Black) with a "Zero offset" as my current Defender Boost Alloys rub on the rear spring perch...

So with all the different style of Steel Rims out there I was wondering what other Defender Owners are running in regards to Steel Rims??

From what I've seen u can go with the standard sunraiser rim with the triangle type holes or u can go with the round holes... Not sure when one would look the best...

Does anyone hove photos of their Steel Rims on their Defenders by any chance?? Looking to see what is out there and how it looks on the defenders....

(BTW: Not looking at Wolf Rims or Alloys due to costs, etc)

[W&KO]

I run dynamic +20 which widens the stance a little over standard. Pretty sure OEM is +33. No rubbing. You’re more than welcome to come by and fit up a +20, I have a 6th spare in the garage.

0 offset is a popular but will the 50mm rule, although you’d be unlucky to be caught out as I’m pretty sure they stay within the OEM Flares.

I think there is a +6 rim available as well.

[p38arover]

(BTW: Not looking at Wolf Rims or Alloys due to costs, etc)

What do steel rims cost?

[Tombie]

What do steel rims cost?

Besides unsprung mass? [emoji3]
Can be hit and miss on balance, recommend Nuggets centralising hubs too.

[Robmacca]

I run dynamic +20 which widens the stance a little over standard. Pretty sure OEM is +33. No rubbing. You’re more than welcome to come by and fit up a +20, I have a 6th spare in the garage.

0 offset is a popular but will the 50mm rule, although you’d be unlucky to be caught out as I’m pretty sure they stay within the OEM Flares.

I think there is a +6 rim available as well.

Thanks for that.. when the time comes I might take u up on that... what size Tyre do u run?

Looking for an offset that will allow me to run various width tyres should I chose to...
Looking at a 7” rim or 7.5 that will still allow me to run a 235/85/16 all the way up to a 285/75/16. A 255/85/16 is the ideal size I’d like to get...

[W&KO]

Thanks for that.. when the time comes I might take u up on that... what size Tyre do u run?

Looking for an offset that will allow me to run various width tyres should I chose to...
Looking at a 7” rim or 7.5 that will still allow me to run a 235/85/16 all the way up to a 285/75/16. A 255/85/16 is the ideal size I’d like to get...

I’m running 235/85’s

Shout out when the times comes.

I might have my new rims by than, if that the case throw the set on and go wheeling.

[p38arover]

Maybe these would suit one of you: 5 x 15x7 Dynamic Wheels with BFG KM2 Mud Terrains (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/wheels-tyres-suspension-for-sale/284985-5-x-15x7-dynamic-wheels-bfg-km2-mud-terrains.html)

[Robmacca]

Is there anyone with the Round hole sunraiser rims vs the triangle hole sunraiser rims?

I would be interested in seeing some photos if possible??

[p38arover]

Sunraysia :)

[scarry]

You asked for a pic, but sorry I don't know what wheels or offset they are.
I could probably find out, although the tyres do stick out a bit past the guards, so are probably illegal
They are on the Deefer in my sig,and have been on it for over 10yrs.

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16371850/640/16371850.jpeg (https://picturepush.com/public/16371850)

[Robmacca]

Thanks Paul... that's exactly what I was looking for...

I'm thinking the round hole version of the Sunraysia actually look better than the normal triangle version ones... Now, just got to find where to source some from...




You asked for a pic, but sorry I don't know what wheels or offset they are.
I could probably find out, although the tyres do stick out a bit past the guards, so are probably illegal
They are on the Deefer in my sig,and have been on it for over 10yrs.

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/16371850/640/16371850.jpeg (https://picturepush.com/public/16371850)

[Landy Red]

Round hole 16 inch Sunrasia by dynamic are -25. There is a round hole 15 inch wheel that is 0. All the zero offset 16s are triangles. Best combo is probably a d hole by dynamic 16x7 that is +20. Perfect to run, 235, 255 and 265 on normal flares and not chucking mess up the side of the car. You don't want 285s over 255s and unless you want to go to 35s I really don't see why go any wider offset than +20.... you could always get 30mm spacers for your alloys taking them to +3? But you will have a forever dirty truck. I been through all this and wolf with +20 with 255 is the pick for looks and performance. But the d hole dynamic is a 7inch steel wheel and about half the price and can fit more tyres than a wolf. I'm getting some of these as spares/ run all terrains. 255s only come in muds.

[Robmacca]

Round hole 16 inch Sunrasia by dynamic are -25. There is a round hole 15 inch wheel that is 0. All the zero offset 16s are triangles. Best combo is probably a d hole by dynamic 16x7 that is +20. Perfect to run, 235, 255 and 265 on normal flares and not chucking mess up the side of the car. You don't want 285s over 255s and unless you want to go to 35s I really don't see why go any wider offset than +20.... you could always get 30mm spacers for your alloys taking them to +3? But you will have a forever dirty truck. I been through all this and wolf with +20 with 255 is the pick for looks and performance. But the d hole dynamic is a 7inch steel wheel and about half the price and can fit more tyres than a wolf. I'm getting some of these as spares/ run all terrains. 255s only come in muds.


One of the other reasons I was thinking of going with a Zero offset is to clear the bung on my Inner Guard Tank when the wheel travels upwards. As is I reckon if I went for any taller tyre, that under full upwards travel that there is a good chance that the tyre would catch on the protruding bung that is designed with these inner guard tanks. I could remove the tank and have this removed but that is a last resort.

The 255 is my ideal size but brands and types are limited whereas the 285's are more readily available if needed in remote areas...

A shame about no round hole 16'" rims as I think they look better... :(

[Landy Red]

That makes sense, you can get some round hole, 7inch rims with 0 offset from UK. I priced it up I think would have cost around 800 for a set sent here.

If you haven't already used this calculator it's worth a look to see if will catch your fuel tank:

Wheel Offset Calculator (https://tiresize.com/wheel-offset-calculator/)

There a few more makes of the 255 now, toyo, dick cepec and Yokohama. And If you want an all terrain in a 33 skinny, there is the 225 95 16.

Good luck with it dude!

[scarry]

Forget the spacers as they are illegal in Old.

I will try to find out what the ones in the pic are but I think last time I looked I couldn't find anything written on them.

[Robmacca]

Yeah I saw that Bearmach had some of the round holes ones on their website but the shipping costs would make it too costly and I'd be better off looking at a Alloy rim...

With a Zero offset 7inch rim, it would also suit a wide range of different tyre sizes without having to change rims again. I'm not sure as I haven't checked for a while but with a 7inch rim, u can go from a 225/95 right through to a max size of 285/75 (I think 7.5 is the minimum recommended width rim for a 285 but a 7" will also work)



That makes sense, you can get some round hole, 7inch rims with 0 offset from UK. I priced it up I think would have cost around 800 for a set sent here.

If you haven't already used this calculator it's worth a look to see if will catch your fuel tank:

Wheel Offset Calculator (https://tiresize.com/wheel-offset-calculator/)

There a few more makes of the 255 now, toyo, dick cepec and Yokohama. And If you want an all terrain in a 33 skinny, there is the 225 95 16.

Good luck with it dude!

[Landy Red]

I reckon the ones in the pic are these:

15X8 5/165.1 Wheels | Bob Jane T-Marts | Best Brands & Lowest Prices (https://www.bobjane.com.au/s/15x8-5-165-1-wheels)

But they are a 15' wheel. But 32s and 33s would work well, neg25 though so would need new arches...

[scarry]

They are Pro Comp,16X8.0.Made in USA.
Probably 97 series from memory.
Tyres are 255/85/16.

Nothing about off set written in them, but the tyres just stick out past the flares, so won't pass a roadworthy.
The fronts are fine due to the side rail, its the rears that are the issue.

Anyway,the vehicle will be sold soon, so now has the stock rims on it, if the steel wheels don't also go to the future purchaser, they will be sold separately.

[Landy Red]

Didn't realise that was your actual wheels Scary!

I had 255s on wolfs and 30mm spacers on for a very short period of time.. needless to say, no good! Stance looked tough though haha (Only did so, because I had to quickly put on wolfs and muddies for a photo shoot for an advertisement campaign one weekend. Watch closely next spirit of tas adds when they come through, if they do)

Anyway, outside of tyre caught the standard flares on back with the slightest of articulation. Now, that would equate offset, to +33 -30 -(33-20)= ET-10. On a 6.5inch rim, so, I'm wondering if 255s, or worse 285s on an ET0 8inch rim, would also be problematic on full articulation? Considering an 8inch rim is 37.5mm wider than a 6.3 inch wolf, so therefore half that, or 18.75mm has to be sitting outward, closer to the flare doesn't it? Making it worse than the example i gave above, worse again with a 285.

On a side note, boosts with 265s need 30mm spacers so as not to rub and when fitted, is a sweet set up - but yes technically illegal.

I know people with 130s have no issues, with 285s on ET0 but then they don't have flares on the back..

So long story short, might clear OP's fuel tank issue on inside, but i reckon from experience, will catch the edge of rear flare even with a 255 on a 110 wagon.

Which kind of defies point of getting the wider offset if it is done so to fit a range of tyre sizes - because those extra sizes are not practically usable. In reality you would probably be left with 265s or 235s as 285s and 255s are going to create issues with standard flares.

Considering ET0 rims seem to only be available are 8 inch rims you are back to where you started. Unless you fit those wider flares. But really simply, don't do that.

If you want a taller tyre, it has to be 255s I reckon. If you want a wider tyre, it is 265s. Both those work perfectly on ET20 (wolf or dynamic dhole) If you want a tall and wide tyre it is wider flares and that means changing the look of the car and drilling into your bodywork. And that is impossible to undo. Trust me!

[Landy Red]

This is 255s, offset -10. 255s on a 6.5inch steel wheel.(wolf and 30mm spacers.) Doesn't work, tyres rub/catch on rear arches and I wouldn't recommend. Looks good though!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210403/93929de7f51146cb9cb85f40d5085bf6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210403/ef74b1bd302bd36b51f91b6b4409e24e.jpg
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[Robmacca]

I've attached a photo of the inner guard tank to show what I'm concerned about if I went with a taller tyre and kept the same rims I have now.
My preferred tyre size is the 255/85 but as this is a tyre that is not readily available in the outback and in a "emergency" should I need to replace a tyre, I would think it would be easier to source a 285/75 (2nd hand one or new) than the 255/85. This would at least get me out of trouble and that's one of the reasons I was looking for a rim that would cater for the varying width tyres.

It seems that I will not be able to find a zero offset rim in a 7" width rim... so I may have to look at some with a small positive offset then so what + offset is there? I know of a +20 but is the any others like a +10?

I remember going on a trip with a fellow Defender owner and his was running 285's on a zero offset rim without any troubles from what I could see & he had the standard flares on his vehicle - so with 255/85 it would be even better
I don't know the width but I would assume it would be a 8" rim...

I also assume that the wider the rim u go the greater the chance of rolling your tyre off the bead at lower pressures? This is at least what I've found on my little Zook when tackling the harder tracks...




Didn't realise that was your actual wheels Scary!

I had 255s on wolfs and 30mm spacers on for a very short period of time.. needless to say, no good! Stance looked tough though haha (Only did so, because I had to quickly put on wolfs and muddies for a photo shoot for an advertisement campaign one weekend. Watch closely next spirit of tas adds when they come through, if they do)

Anyway, outside of tyre caught the standard flares on back with the slightest of articulation. Now, that would equate offset, to +33 -30 -(33-20)= ET-10. On a 6.5inch rim, so, I'm wondering if 255s, or worse 285s on an ET0 8inch rim, would also be problematic on full articulation? Considering an 8inch rim is 37.5mm wider than a 6.3 inch wolf, so therefore half that, or 18.75mm has to be sitting outward, closer to the flare doesn't it? Making it worse than the example i gave above, worse again with a 285.

On a side note, boosts with 265s need 30mm spacers so as not to rub and when fitted, is a sweet set up - but yes technically illegal.

I know people with 130s have no issues, with 285s on ET0 but then they don't have flares on the back..

So long story short, might clear OP's fuel tank issue on inside, but i reckon from experience, will catch the edge of rear flare even with a 255 on a 110 wagon.

Which kind of defies point of getting the wider offset if it is done so to fit a range of tyre sizes - because those extra sizes are not practically usable. In reality you would probably be left with 265s or 235s as 285s and 255s are going to create issues with standard flares.

Considering ET0 rims seem to only be available are 8 inch rims you are back to where you started. Unless you fit those wider flares. But really simply, don't do that.

If you want a taller tyre, it has to be 255s I reckon. If you want a wider tyre, it is 265s. Both those work perfectly on ET20 (wolf or dynamic dhole) If you want a tall and wide tyre it is wider flares and that means changing the look of the car and drilling into your bodywork. And that is impossible to undo. Trust me!

[W&KO]

You could get the rims you like and have the offset changed to what you want......if you can stretch the budget.

[W&KO]

This the socket threaded all the way through? If so you could cut the socket back and trim the square head of the nut.


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[Robmacca]

Not sure but that's a good idea... I'll have to check that out...


This the socket threaded all the way through? If so you could cut the socket back and trim the square head of the nut.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210404/a22be9107c31d8ba29ec3751552d23b9.jpg

[roverrescue]

Robmacca
I’m about an hour and half from you
I’ve got a set of 5 modded disco 1 steels that have been hot dip galvanised

So they are 16x7 with what measures a +2.5mm offset

Currently wearing barely worn but getting on in age Bridgestone Muds

You would be welcome to come and see if you like them
Throw them on for a test come to an arrangement?

If you wanted the galvanised look

Steve

[Robmacca]

Robmacca
I’m about an hour and half from you
I’ve got a set of 5 modded disco 1 steels that have been hot dip galvanised

So they are 16x7 with what measures a +2.5mm offset

Currently wearing barely worn but getting on in age Bridgestone Muds

You would be welcome to come and see if you like them
Throw them on for a test come to an arrangement?

If you wanted the galvanised look

Steve

Sounds interesting... I’ll keep that in mind when I’m at that point but I’ve got a fuel tank leak issue at the moment that I now have to deal with...

[Landy Red]

I just came across these wheels that might be of interest, they are round hole steel at -6.

Series 87 Steel Wheel 5/6.5(5/165.1) 16x8 S87 Blk 4.25(6N) (http://www.offroadkonection.com.au/Series-87-Steel-Wheel-5/6.5-5/165.1-16x8-S87-Blk-4.25-6N-Rock-Crawler-PCW876856)

[TonyC]

907 Kg load rating, what's the rear axle capacity of a 110?
Won't cut it for a 130.

Tony
I just came across these wheels that might be of interest, they are round hole steel at -6.

Series 87 Steel Wheel 5/6.5(5/165.1) 16x8 S87 Blk 4.25(6N) (http://www.offroadkonection.com.au/Series-87-Steel-Wheel-5/6.5-5/165.1-16x8-S87-Blk-4.25-6N-Rock-Crawler-PCW876856)

[p38arover]

KLR Automotive have a new shipment of zero offset Wolf style rims in white, black, green, and brown.

[W&KO]

KLR Automotive have a new shipment of zero offset Wolf style rims in white, black, green, and brown.

Zero offset?? Are these a special order??

OEM wolfs are +20 from memory

[p38arover]

Zero offset?? Are these a special order??

OEM wolfs are +20 from memory

I said Wolf style ‘cos that’s what I called them. I assume special order. I picked up five for a bloke yesterday.

[W&KO]

I said Wolf style ‘cos that’s what I called them. I assume special order. I picked up five for a bloke yesterday.

Oh....cools.

I’ll have a looksee on their website. Freight might be a killer to Brisbane

[p38arover]

Dunno if they are on the website yet. They’ve only just arrived.

[W&KO]

Dunno if they are on the website yet. They’ve only just arrived.

Found the +20’s

Might give them a call

[DDrew]

I have the Dynamic D Holes with LT265/75/R16. You will need the Nugget Stuff locating rings. On mine it rubs one of the front swingarms on full lock. If I could do it again would go the 235's

[Tombie]

I have the Dynamic D Holes with LT265/75/R16. You will need the Nugget Stuff locating rings. On mine it rubs one of the front swingarms on full lock. If I could do it again would go the 235's

Adjust the stop a smidge and be done!

[p38arover]

I took a pic today of one of the new zero offset rims on a Perentie. With the tyres fitted, 255/85, they are just outside the flares.

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Pic from above flare.

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[Landy Red]

What is actually the point of a zero offset wolf? Is it still 6.5 inches wide? I'm assuming they are also a wider rim to accommodate a wider tyre, 265 and above.. if not it seems a bit pointless. Do we know if that 255 fitted catches the rear flare on full articulation?
I took a pic today of one of the new zero offset rims on a Perentie. With the tyres fitted, 255/85, they are just outside the flares.

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Pic from above flare.

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[Landy Red]

They look great though!
I have the Dynamic D Holes with LT265/75/R16. You will need the Nugget Stuff locating rings. On mine it rubs one of the front swingarms on full lock. If I could do it again would go the 235's

[Tombie]

Problem is once you go to far, handling is impacted.

Not in all conditions, but it does cause handling problems.

[MLD]

something to consider in rim selection is load rating. All good to select a rim that doesn't rub or mounts the size tyre of your choice but if the combined rim load rating on an axle is less than your axle load rating, you have effectively down rated your axle to the max of the rims (or tyres) in the aggregate. on the rear, the County has a 1750kg axle load rating, the 110 defender is 1980kg AFAIK, the 130 is 2200kg. The primary difference is the coil rate between the 3. For example, bolting a D1 alloy rim to a 130 will leave you short of the rear axle load rating and if pulled over for a weight inspection, you could be faced with a 'please explain' if your weight exceeds your axle load rating. Many of the aftermarket alloy rims are not rated very high. The steelies are generally a higher load rating. Dynamic is 1400kg per rim post 2015 or 1200kg pre 2015. Long winded way to say, best to satisfy yourself that your choice in rim (and tyre) doesn't adversely affect your axle load rating.

[Tote]

For reference Bob Jane have Black Dynamic rims on sale for $109 at the moment. The ZUs on my 130 are +11 offset running 265/75-16 and I've never had any issues with rubbing and they are inside the factory flares.

Regards,
Tote

[Robmacca]

For reference Bob Jane have Black Dynamic rims on sale for $109 at the moment. The ZUs on my 130 are +11 offset running 265/75-16 and I've never had any issues with rubbing and they are inside the factory flares.

Regards,
Tote

I assume they are 8" rims then?

[Tote]

nope, 7x16

Regards,
Tote

[Robmacca]

nope, 7x16

Regards,
Tote

What pattern type? Round Holes or "D" holes or the normal Triangle type holes?

[Tote]

Sorry Rob, The ZUs are alloys, I've been buying six stud Dynamic's for SWMBOs new project that's why I pointed out they are on special.


Zu Alloy Wheels for Land Rover - Paddock Spares (https://www.paddockspares.com/land-rover-wheels-and-tyres/zu-alloys.html)

Regards,
Tote