Wanna be a NSW Cop - Well you will pay for the privilege

[101RRS]

My niece's partner decided to to join the NSW Police Force - yep couldn't get a job anywhere else.

So while he is at the Police Academy he is not paid by the NSW Police - he goes onto the Federal Austudy scheme rather than being paid by the Police - and he has to hand a proportion of his Austudy to the NSW Police service while training. And then when he leaves the Police Academy he comes away with a substantial HECS bill because Austudy pays him to be at the Academy.

Now he finishes at Goulburn on a Friday afternoon and has to start at his first posting in Northern NSW the following Monday morning. He gets no assistance with the move, he has to either get someone organise accommodation before hand or drive up overnight and then try to find a place to live on the weekend before he starts - noting Real Estate Agents are closed - I guess there is the pub. There is no assistance with the move for either him or his partner and will get a $15per week rental allowance payment when there.

That lack of assistance and the costs to the new recruit is ridiculous - how do they manage to recruit anyone, as with HECS, they have to essentially pay to join the NSW Police.

[W&KO]

Wow.......I would have thought as a minimum

trainee wage from the start,
Relocation at no cost
Maybe rent assistance for a period
Police pick up HECS

All the above based on a ROSO to ensure they get some return on this investment.

I would assume new recruits would be aware of the conditions of employment

[Tins]

No wonder the ones I met seemed so angry.

[Tins]

Wow.......I would have thought as a minimum

trainee wage from the start,
Relocation at no cost
Maybe rent assistance for a period
Police pick up HECS

All the above based on a ROSO to ensure they get some return on this investment.

I would assume new recruits would be aware of the conditions of employment

My next door neighbour is in the job. He was between jobs when they first arrived here, but he had previously been in the Met in London. Had to go back to basics here, attend the Academy, but he got paid right from the start. Dunno what the $$ were, but paid he was. His previous experience was recognised and now he's a Senior. I have often been vocal in my dislike of the current Victorian Government policies, but we need good coppers, love them or hate them, and Victoria agrees.

[3toes]

Suppose it will all depend on the particular Police force involved.

Have friends here one medical the other Police. We’re looking to move to Australia but decided not to. Her medical was their ticket in and would be recognised on arrival.

Now he is not a junior in the Police and perhaps this may have impacted however seniority and experience was not transferred. Would have had to start at the bottom again.

They both grew up on farms and were looking for a rural not city move

[bob10]

My niece's partner decided to to join the NSW Police Force - yep couldn't get a job anywhere else.

So while he is at the Police Academy he is not paid by the NSW Police - he goes onto the Federal Austudy scheme rather than being paid by the Police - and he has to hand a proportion of his Austudy to the NSW Police service while training. And then when he leaves the Police Academy he comes away with a substantial HECS bill because Austudy pays him to be at the Academy.

Now he finishes at Goulburn on a Friday afternoon and has to start at his first posting in Northern NSW the following Monday morning. He gets no assistance with the move, he has to either get someone organise accommodation before hand or drive up overnight and then try to find a place to live on the weekend before he starts - noting Real Estate Agents are closed - I guess there is the pub. There is no assistance with the move for either him or his partner and will get a $15per week rental allowance payment when there.

That lack of assistance and the costs to the new recruit is ridiculous - how do they manage to recruit anyone, as with HECS, they have to essentially pay to join the NSW Police.

He should read this, " transferred Officers entitlements "

Transferred_Officers_Entitlement.pdf (pansw.org.au) (https://pansw.org.au/downloads/Fact_Sheets/Transferred_Officers_Entitlement.pdf)

[DeeJay]

He should read this, " transferred Officers entitlements "

Transferred_Officers_Entitlement.pdf (pansw.org.au) (https://pansw.org.au/downloads/Fact_Sheets/Transferred_Officers_Entitlement.pdf)

I suggest he is being posted, transferred infers he is already at an existing station..above might be moot..

[bob10]

I suggest he is being posted, transferred infers he is already at an existing station..above might be moot..

Good point. Here is the Police Award 2017, section 7 deals with transfers. It just seems unlikely that a new recruit would be forced to post to an area where there is no accommodation provided/ available. I'm sure the NSW Police service has the procedures in place to help new recruits in their first placement. The answer is , of course , knowing the right people to ask if you are not sure. I wish the young man good luck in his new career, it will be challenging, but also rewarding, I'm sure.


Police_Award_2017.pdf (pansw.org.au) (https://pansw.org.au/downloads/Police_Award_2017.pdf)

[101RRS]

I'm sure the NSW Police service has the procedures in place to help new recruits in their first placement.

Well based on the guys experience - the answer is no.

[bob10]

Well based on the guys experience - the answer is no.

That does surprise me. Has he been in contact with the Police union?

[Slunnie]

That lack of assistance and the costs to the new recruit is ridiculous - how do they manage to recruit anyone, as with HECS, they have to essentially pay to join the NSW Police.

There are lots of occupations like that unfortunately, probably most that need a university degree. Becoming a Pilot is a beauty for it.

[101RRS]

That does surprise me. Has he been in contact with the Police union?

No idea - at this stage I dont think he is actually a member of the union - he is a trainee at the moment and I would have thought the police would be helping to settle new recruits into their first posting but nothing is being offered.

Along with everything else like no police pay, and an accrued HECS debt from the training phase it doesn't surprise me no help is on offer - oh and $15 a week rental assistance goes a long way in helping with rent in a country town with virtually no places to rent. My niece has been travelling each weekend to the location to try and get accommodation and nothing suitable is available so they are now looking to buy but will have to do it outside the town.

[bob10]

No idea - at this stage I dont think he is actually a member of the union - he is a trainee at the moment and I would have thought the police would be helping to settle new recruits into their first posting but nothing is being offered.

Along with everything else like no police pay, and an accrued HECS debt from the training phase it doesn't surprise me no help is on offer - oh and $15 a week rental assistance goes a long way in helping with rent in a country town with virtually no places to rent. My niece has been travelling each weekend to the location to try and get accommodation and nothing suitable is available so they are now looking to buy but will have to do it outside the town.

Speak to the union. This just doesn't sound right.

[Eevo]

maybe its a way of stopping people from getting the training and leaving after 12 months.

do they have a retention problem?

[ramblingboy42]

well.....is it really a priveledge? priviledge?

[AJM]

My niece's partner decided to to join the NSW Police Force - yep couldn't get a job anywhere else.

So while he is at the Police Academy he is not paid by the NSW Police - he goes onto the Federal Austudy scheme rather than being paid by the Police - and he has to hand a proportion of his Austudy to the NSW Police service while training. And then when he leaves the Police Academy he comes away with a substantial HECS bill because Austudy pays him to be at the Academy.

Now he finishes at Goulburn on a Friday afternoon and has to start at his first posting in Northern NSW the following Monday morning. He gets no assistance with the move, he has to either get someone organise accommodation before hand or drive up overnight and then try to find a place to live on the weekend before he starts - noting Real Estate Agents are closed - I guess there is the pub. There is no assistance with the move for either him or his partner and will get a $15per week rental allowance payment when there.

That lack of assistance and the costs to the new recruit is ridiculous - how do they manage to recruit anyone, as with HECS, they have to essentially pay to join the NSW Police.

The only difference between that and every university trained professional for the last 40 years is that they get rental assistance