TD5 Remap advice

[Bradtot]

Hi I have a 2003 manual TD5 Discovery with 183k on the clock, standard apart from egr removal. I tow a 2.5 Ton caravan, it does it but I am needing a bit more power. I have a Nanocom. Where do you guys suggest I go to get a remap?....is there anyone local these days to go to or is the UK the best?...I have been looking at Alive tuning. I have sent Jose a message from storm but no answer...I know this is something that was popular years ago but I didn’t have the caravan then. I am happy to pay but want to get the the right tune for my requirements. Suggestions please..🙂🙂
Brad170312

[gavinwibrow]

Hi I have a 2003 manual TD5 Discovery with 183k on the clock, standard apart from egr removal. I tow a 2.5 Ton caravan, it does it but I am needing a bit more power. I have a Nanocom. Where do you guys suggest I go to get a remap?....is there anyone local these days to go to or is the UK the best?...I have been looking at Alive tuning. I have sent Jose a message from storm but no answer...I know this is something that was popular years ago but I didn’t have the caravan then. I am happy to pay but want to get the the right tune for my requirements. Suggestions please..🙂🙂
Brad170312


Brad, I would not wait to contact Jose - he has far too much on his plate and any number of cases on here of ignoring potential new customers.

As a long shot talk to discorevy (Craig from near Albany way) on here. He has quite a few options, and if not able to help personally, will no doubt be able to point you in the right direction.

[rick130]

Drop Shack on here a PM [emoji6]

[Bohica]

Drop Shack on here a PM [emoji6]

I did and I am very happy with the extra grunt.

[shack]

Thanks guys...

[Kaaaiju]

I have alive and td5inside remap and CR hybrid turbo by far Jose is the best remapper, sure you do have to wait but it's even better than the alive tune I had

[sierrafery]

Storm Tuning – Bespoke Land Rover Tuning (https://stormtuning.com/) is the best i've ever seen, he developped a remap for Eu3 which works with AFR but with MAF excluded so you dont need that any more. You tell him what you want and that's what you'll get. A bit of patience is needed with him.

[gavinwibrow]

I have alive and td5inside remap and CR hybrid turbo by far Jose is the best remapper, sure you do have to wait but it's even better than the alive tune I had

Define wait! Jose basically is not returning enquiries from potential new customers.

[Kaaaiju]

Well according to Td5mafia fb page storm tuning isn't very liked and costed some people their injectors and motors
Storm Tuning – Bespoke Land Rover Tuning (https://stormtuning.com/) is the best i've ever seen, he developped a remap for Eu3 which works with AFR but with MAF excluded so you dont need that any more. You tell him what you want and that's what you'll get. A bit of patience is needed with him.

[Kaaaiju]

Well my mate messaged him about an remap and turbo and got an answer in 1 week
Define wait! Jose basically is not returning enquiries from potential new customers.

[sierrafery]

Well according to Td5mafia fb page storm tuning isn't very liked and costed some people their injectors and motors
I can't contradict that cos i dont have facebook but i have one myself and few friends too(one with competition defender) and no probs yet, good power and torque, decent EGT, i had Alive which was not so good... what can i say? if the motors are not well maintained or very stressed with huge tyres they can fail with any remap or even without one. As long as there is no excessive smoke and decent ECT + EGT i dont see why the engine or injectors would fail though

[Tombie]

Storm Tuning – Bespoke Land Rover Tuning (https://stormtuning.com/) is the best i've ever seen, he developped a remap for Eu3 which works with AFR but with MAF excluded so you dont need that any more. You tell him what you want and that's what you'll get. A bit of patience is needed with him.

Hes also cooked a heap of vehicles in the UK and was videoed mistreating clients vehicles.

Wouldn’t even think about giving him the job.

[Kaaaiju]

Plus Jose does free unlimited updates to the map, bigger turbo or the intercooler etc for life and $340 AUD is the cheapest and best mapping company

[shack]

I won't comment on what anyone else does tuning wise, but I think I'm pretty good at communicating, and I stand by my work.

I do not do map's that smoke, I stick pretty tightly to sensible AFR.

A number of tunes I have seen are honestly running 13-15/1 at the worst points, which is a no no on a diesel, and with a bit of effort can be avoided, even without replacing the turbo and intercooler(within reason of course)

The MAF can be deleted on an EU3 but it's not really that great an idea, you lose the different hi/low tuning that they have, amongst other things....

Cheers
James

[sierrafery]

Hes also cooked a heap of vehicles in the UK and was videoed mistreating clients vehicles.

Wouldn’t even think about giving him the job.
Interesting, good to know, on the other side my friend with the race defender had a td5inside map which gave him 1000*C EGT and smoked as hell and it's way better with the storm... i think that nobody's perfect when it comes to addapted remaps

[Kaaaiju]

Agreed but with my map from Jose I asked for smoke and I can blocked out the sun when using my pop corn [emoji535][emoji535][emoji535] it's the best sound compared to the others
Interesting, good to know, on the other side my friend with the race defender had a td5inside map which gave him 1000*C EGT and smoked as hell and it's way better with the storm... i think that nobody's perfect when it comes to addapted remaps

[Slunnie]

With Jose's tunes and yours Shack, can you stand on it towing a trailer up a long hill and never have to worry about the EGT's etc or do they still need to be watched?

I've run ECU upgrade since not long after they started being done, but my pet hate with them is high EGT's.

[PhilipA]

With Jose's tunes and yours Shack, can you stand on it towing a trailer up a long hill and never have to worry about the EGT's etc or do they still need to be watched?

I was going to chip in earlier but this one prompted me. 2002 TD5 auto EU3.

IMHO you will always have EGT problems while towing if you do not upgrade the cooler, and delete the cat and free up the exhaust and use much higher boost. I dont really know the effect of EGR delete as I deleted mine before I had the mods.
Even then I have to watch the EGT gauge closely all the time on hills to hold it under 700C with occasional 750C using about 22Lbs boost.

So it becomes a balance of speed loss vs acceptable EGT, although the car has much more torque on hills.

I have an old BAS tune and while it is good without a trailer on, I have to closely monitor EGTs when towing my 1000Kg loaded camper. It was much worse when I towed my daughters 1500Kg camper.

I can rarely use cruise control when towing as it rams the throttle wide open at any loss of speed.

Regards PhilipA

[Tins]

I can rarely use cruise control when towing as it rams the throttle wide open at any loss of speed.

Regards PhilipA

Slightly O/T, but I could improve fuel consumption on the Scania by nearly 15% by not using cruise, probably for the same reason. Bit of a bore driving Melb to Bris, but it made the boss happy when I did it.

[Slunnie]

I was going to chip in earlier but this one prompted me. 2002 TD5 auto EU3.

IMHO you will always have EGT problems while towing if you do not upgrade the cooler, and delete the cat and free up the exhaust and use much higher boost. I dont really know the effect of EGR delete as I deleted mine before I had the mods.
Even then I have to watch the EGT gauge closely all the time on hills to hold it under 700C with occasional 750C using about 22Lbs boost.

So it becomes a balance of speed loss vs acceptable EGT, although the car has much more torque on hills.

I have an old BAS tune and while it is good without a trailer on, I have to closely monitor EGTs when towing my 1000Kg loaded camper. It was much worse when I towed my daughters 1500Kg camper.

I can rarely use cruise control when towing as it rams the throttle wide open at any loss of speed.

Regards PhilipA

Thanks PhilipA, I'm not the only one thinking that way then. My thoughts with upgrades is Intercooler first because of EGTs, but it sounds like keeping the EGTs under control in all conditions is what keeps the Td5 at a conservative 100kw and I do wonder if the Defender is at 90kw due to its lack of aerodynamics as well. Makes you wonder what all of the reasons were for the intercooler upgrade with the D2a. But its also something that is really important to know for people who do upgrades to improve towing, likewise decision making between Td5 upgrades and engine conversions. I'm not knocking it though, I've also got the Td5 intercooler, ECU, EGR etc.

[Tombie]

In the D2a it was done due to tightening emissions laws, same with the EGR cooler.

To get lower EGTs and more power you need more cooler air. Turbos with suitable compressor map help. As the stock one just starts to make heat as it ramps up beyond spec.

[discorevy]

Hi I have a 2003 manual TD5 Discovery with 183k on the clock, standard apart from egr removal. I tow a 2.5 Ton caravan, it does it but I am needing a bit more power. I have a Nanocom.
I am happy to pay but want to get the the right tune for my requirements. Suggestions please..🙂🙂
Brad

Hi Brad
regardless of the type of tune ,I would suggest an egt gauge, as towing 2.5 tons on a hot day can get egt's right up there even with factory tune.

If the car is a keeper ( and it looks like it should be ), then it would be worth the extra initial spend to invest in a variable geometry turbo with specific map to suit, a better intercooler and freeing up of the intake and exhaust ( this can still be factory quiet if you wish, except for a slight but pleasant turbo noise ) .

These mods along with a LOF slave cylinder are what I recommend for manual upgrades and will completely transform the vehicle to the point where you will want to drive it all day even when not towing.

If you just want a bit more power and have a small budget , then remap is fine.
If you want to eliminate lag and have actual grunt below 1800 rpm and have a completely different driving experience then VGT plus mods.
I also use water/meth injection on one of mine to keep egt's down and give more kick.

Andrew at Allisport is always receptive and uses TD5 inside ( Jose's ) mapping.
(I have no affiliation, but have used them )

[discorevy]

I won't comment on what anyone else does tuning wise, but I think I'm pretty good at communicating, and I stand by my work.

I do not do map's that smoke, I stick pretty tightly to sensible AFR.

A number of tunes I have seen are honestly running 13-15/1 at the worst points, which is a no no on a diesel, and with a bit of effort can be avoided, even without replacing the turbo and intercooler(within reason of course)

The MAF can be deleted on an EU3 but it's not really that great an idea, you lose the different hi/low tuning that they have, amongst other things....

Cheers
James

Hi James
Do you do ( or have you done ) mapping for VGT's on TD5's ?

[shack]

Yep I do,

I'm actually out camping at the moment and had to drive to get to Wi-Fi for a reservation,

I'll be back Wednesday (my wife will murder me if she catches me doing this!)

Just quickly ...get an egt, I mild tune doesn't need it, but everyone always get excited and decides they want more grunt as soon as they see what a mild remap does. You'd be surprised how far you can tune before you get into egt trouble.

Cruise control has to be remapped also once more than a so called "stage 1".


Cheers
James

[Slunnie]

Cruise control has to be remapped also once more than a so called "stage 1".

Thats really interesting! Years and years ago I was running a DPL tune with a bit more oompf and the CC was just fantastic. Anyway, he took out that tune and put in a milder one after I warped a manifold (mind you I was driving it at 160km/h down the Stuart Hwy) and the CC went back to being as crappy as normal.

[rick130]

Re turbo's and their maps, those that have played, who appears to be on top of the game atm re hybrids and/or VNT's.

PM if you'd rather not share on the forum. [emoji16]

Thanks.

[shack]

Re turbo's and their maps, those that have played, who appears to be on top of the game atm re hybrids and/or VNT's.

PM if you'd rather not share on the forum. [emoji16]

Thanks.Hi Rick,

Unfortunately there is little or no information available re compressor maps on many of the replacement td5 vgt/vnt turbo's, or even the hybrid for that matter.

I have been chasing this info for a while and have been informed that it isn't economically viable to produce them.

Tbh it's disappointing. One saving grace if you like, is that most vgt/vnt turbo's control themselves so external input from the td5 ecu is not needed.

As far as performance goes, the end user and the tuner are in no man's land, so all that can really be known is what is gathered from extensive logging, and marketing comments like "180hp" and "22 psi" -- if anyone can tell me how this relates to what the thing will actually do, please let me know!

I have a bit of logging info on the s208b but nothing that I would call rock solid.

At this stage it would appear that maybe the hybrid turbo POSSIBLY has a little more top end , but of course falls back in the low rpm situations, and possibly does increase IAT and EGT, compared to the variable ones.

As to whether one brand is better than an other? Dunno!
If anyone wants to send through some Nanocom logs from other turbo's, I'll have a look, Unfortunately it's limited compared to some other options, but better than nothing.

Cheers
James

[feraldisco]

I'm surprised to hear negative feedback re Storm Tuning. I'm with sierrafery...and I also have a manual...I actually have a Storm tune (Stage II) as opposed to Fb rumours and I've been very happy with it. The Holy Grail of more torque, better fuel economy and zero smoke. The thing I like about it is how progressive it is...lotsa low down torque rather than being too peaky up top. I've had it driven by a LR mech who has seen lots of tunes and he was impressed. Storm was also great to deal with - I have an early Td5 so had to send a spare ECU to UK to get it mapped and they were reliable and prompt.

When you hear stories about people with damaged engines or just high EGTs, you need to know the full context...what other mods they have, vehicle condition, how they drive etc...

[Tombie]

I'm surprised to hear negative feedback re Storm Tuning. I'm with sierrafery...and I also have a manual...I actually have a Storm tune (Stage II) as opposed to Fb rumours and I've been very happy with it. The Holy Grail of more torque, better fuel economy and zero smoke. The thing I like about it is how progressive it is...lotsa low down torque rather than being too peaky up top. I've had it driven by a LR mech who has seen lots of tunes and he was impressed. Storm was also great to deal with - I have an early Td5 so had to send a spare ECU to UK to get it mapped and they were reliable and prompt.

When you hear stories about people with damaged engines or just high EGTs, you need to know the full context...what other mods they have, vehicle condition, how they drive etc...

I have a lot of the context, and was sent the videos….
He’s also using copyrighted images on his pages and has been requested to remove - legal action is coming I’d say!

[barney]

You could always give Davis Performance Landys a call in Sydney. I'm pretty happy with the tune in my 90 (also running LPG injection) and doesn't blow smoke at all.
Leaves modified V8 cruisers behind.
Even if it's only to pick his brain.
He's also been working with guys in the UK to develop a new kit.
Wont be cheap but sounds pretty impressive.

[Slunnie]

You could always give Davis Performance Landys a call in Sydney. I'm pretty happy with the tune in my 90 (also running LPG injection) and doesn't blow smoke at all.
Leaves modified V8 cruisers behind.
Even if it's only to pick his brain.
He's also been working with guys in the UK to develop a new kit.
Wont be cheap but sounds pretty impressive.

I run the DPL setup too. Whats the gist of the new kit that Bruce is doing?

[Kaaaiju]

He is doing an VNT turbo kit and tune and rough price I got was $3600 with out install and has to be dealer installed
I run the DPL setup too. Whats the gist of the new kit that Bruce is doing?

[shack]

Wow!...

I'm not suggesting anything about the setup good or bad...but that's a lot of coin..

[ethan1997may]

Thanks guys...
Sorry to hijack the post, wondering if we could chat about getting a map on my disco 2 TD5

[shack]

Sorry to hijack the post, wondering if we could chat about getting a map on my disco 2 TD5Yeah, flick me a PM if it was I you were wanting to chat too!!

[shack]

Actually I see you can't! Not enough activity on the forum yet. I'll send you a PM...

Cheers

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I can rarely use cruise control when towing as it rams the throttle wide open at any loss of speed.

Regards PhilipA
I have a bruce davis tune, or did until the ECU failed. It's turned the car into a rocket ship, but one downside is the cruise control only works at up to around 100. If you set it at much more than that it gets and oscillation up. It's got so much horsepower it throttles up.. takes off.. then backs off, then throttles on and so on. There doesn't seem to be any resolution for it.

I'm running my spare ECU at the moment though. It's tuned but was done a long time ago by someone on the forum (Toombie.. don't hold me to that). The difference between the two tunes is significant. The car struggles to make more than 1.3 bar boost. Towing the camper is not great, and the lack of power below 2000 has always been something I've worked around, but with the camper it's a real problem.

I don't have an EGT gauge, but perhaps I should get one. Diesel cat, EGT deleted and a "sports" exhaust.

[Tombie]

Back then my tunes were much milder, the Davis tunes were reknown back then for running way too hot and causing issues.

Since then I’d enhanced my tunes, and then just gave it all up. Not worth my time nor efforts.

Nowadays - everyone’s having a play and that’s excellent.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Back then my tunes were much milder, the Davis tunes were reknown back then for running way too hot and causing issues.

Since then I’d enhanced my tunes, and then just gave it all up. Not worth my time nor efforts.

Nowadays - everyone’s having a play and that’s excellent.
It gave good service for 20 years. Thanks for your help! I reckon it was probably 2006/7 so good while back.

[discorevy]

I have a bruce davis tune, or did until the ECU failed. It's turned the car into a rocket ship, but one downside is the cruise control only works at up to around 100. If you set it at much more than that it gets and oscillation up. It's got so much horsepower it throttles up.. takes off.. then backs off, then throttles on and so on. There doesn't seem to be any resolution for it.

I'm running my spare ECU at the moment though. It's tuned but was done a long time ago by someone on the forum (Toombie.. don't hold me to that). The difference between the two tunes is significant. The car struggles to make more than 1.3 bar boost. Towing the camper is not great, and the lack of power below 2000 has always been something I've worked around, but with the camper it's a real problem.

I don't have an EGT gauge, but perhaps I should get one. Diesel cat, EGT deleted and a "sports" exhaust.


If you want a vastly improved driving / towing experience, I'd suggest fitting ( or getting a good mechanic to fit) a Variable Geometry Turbo, then P.M. Shack on here, to do a suitable tune for it.

He will also be able to sort the cruise control maps, so it behaves properly, as well as being able to increase speed by 1 or 2 kmh increments.

Yes, get an EGT gauge.

[AK83]

..... P.M. Shack on here, to do a suitable tune for it.

He will also be able to sort the cruise control maps, so it behaves properly, as well as being able to increase speed by 1 or 2 kmh increments.

.....

Second that! [thumbsupbig]

I had similar issue on my D2, but that was caused by me when I replaced the TD% trans TCU with the V8 TCU, and the cruise became stupidly sensitive to any rise in the road. Felt like it wanted 90% throttle, for no reason, but being an auto would also kick down to boot.
CC was unusable. Shack kindly tested some programming variables, uploaded with nanocom ... and now runs pretty much ideal.

Even compared to the D2a TD5 I have to compare, Shacks CC mod feels better(less reluctant to accelerate aggressively and kickdown). D2a doesn't have any tune(that I know) and feels it too.

My D2 (I think) sounds like turbo making rumbling noise, not really metallic sound like the D1 had about a year back. I believe it's on it's last legs ... so I have to start thinking about which turbo to replace it with ... at the moment leaning more towards the VGT.

[Kaaaiju]

Second that! [thumbsupbig]

I had similar issue on my D2, but that was caused by me when I replaced the TD% trans TCU with the V8 TCU, and the cruise became stupidly sensitive to any rise in the road. Felt like it wanted 90% throttle, for no reason, but being an auto would also kick down to boot.
CC was unusable. Shack kindly tested some programming variables, uploaded with nanocom ... and now runs pretty much ideal.

Even compared to the D2a TD5 I have to compare, Shacks CC mod feels better(less reluctant to accelerate aggressively and kickdown). D2a doesn't have any tune(that I know) and feels it too.

My D2 (I think) sounds like turbo making rumbling noise, not really metallic sound like the D1 had about a year back. I believe it's on it's last legs ... so I have to start thinking about which turbo to replace it with ... at the moment leaning more towards the VGT.

I’d suggest getting the GTB450 turbo from alive as it’s unbeatable down low and makes very decent power for the little lag it has

[Slunnie]

I’d suggest getting the GTB450 turbo from alive as it’s unbeatable down low and makes very decent power for the little lag it has

How does that one go with the Auto? Does it go into limp mode, blow it up or anything like that? I'm assuming you'd need the V8 TC in any case.

[Kaaaiju]

How does that one go with the Auto? Does it go into limp mode, blow it up or anything like that? I'm assuming you'd need the V8 TC in any case.

Works wonders with the auto, as the map is adjusted to get the best possible result.

Have driven a few autos with these turbos and it’s like a modern car