New Deefer on 35's

[rick130]

Watch Out Jeep Wrangler...This Lifted Defender On 35s Is Coming To Eat Your Lunch! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/w91YybXt9do)

With a sub frame lift from Oz.

[Graeme]

Very shortly another body-lifted 110 will be trialling a Llams kit to allow a more normal height when the extra height isn't required. However it might not allow 35s.

[Slunnie]

I'm liking the new Defender more and more!

[rick130]

I still struggle watching the lack of droop at off road height, but its bloody capable.

They are big beasts though, there's been a few running around Byron and surrounds over the last few months.

Without actually checking dimensions I'd guess Y62 size?

[cripesamighty]

The new 110's are D3/4 in length if you include the spare wheel hanging off the back door - so not small by any stretch (pun intended).

[Tombie]

I still struggle watching the lack of droop at off road height, but its bloody capable.

They are big beasts though, there's been a few running around Byron and surrounds over the last few months.

Without actually checking dimensions I'd guess Y62 size?

Still more droop than the old model (factory).

Narrower than a D4, about same length, far more manoeuvrable than the old 110

[scarry]

Without actually checking dimensions I'd guess Y62 size?

Quite a lot smaller overall, and way smaller in the load area behind the second row seats.
A Prado is probably larger in that load area.

[Graeme]

I still struggle watching the lack of droop at off road height..
It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't go straight to OR2 height but that can be overcome.

[rick130]

Still more droop than the old model (factory).

Narrower than a D4, about same length, far more manoeuvrable than the old 110I'm probably comparing it more to my old girl which flexed pretty well.
When they are in OR2 though, it looks pretty rigid.

[loanrangie]

And most of those mods are illegal here, I'm surprised a dealer has removed the rear muffler considering their epa laws.

[rick130]

And most of those mods are illegal here, I'm surprised a dealer has removed the rear muffler considering their epa laws.Might get away with it under different state laws?

[loanrangie]

Might get away with it under different state laws?

Yeah i guess its only a silencer.

[SBD4]

https://youtu.be/zviGc69Qysk

[TB]

I am so nervous for all the CVs. Nearly 10% increase in strain just from the increased tyre diameter, plus the increased bend angles due to the lift rods.

Mind you I haven't seen a single report of a busted CV since the Defender shipped so that's a positive sign. My local dealer told me about one guy who was going way too fast along the beach at Fraser and broke front suspension components when hitting the far side of a big washout, but it was a straightforward repair apparently.

Anyway I'm getting along pretty well with my 32" muddies for now.

[rick130]

I am so nervous for all the CVs. Nearly 10% increase in strain just from the increased tyre diameter, plus the increased bend angles due to the lift rods.

Mind you I haven't seen a single report of a busted CV since the Defender shipped so that's a positive sign. My local dealer told me about one guy who was going way too fast along the beach at Fraser and broke front suspension components when hitting the far side of a big washout, but it was a straightforward repair apparently.

Anyway I'm getting along pretty well with my 32" muddies for now.That's one thing you don't hear about the D3/4 and now the new Deefer compared to the old solid axle versions, popping CV's wth regularity.

[SBD4]

I am so nervous for all the CVs. Nearly 10% increase in strain just from the increased tyre diameter, plus the increased bend angles due to the lift rods.

Mind you I haven't seen a single report of a busted CV since the Defender shipped so that's a positive sign. My local dealer told me about one guy who was going way too fast along the beach at Fraser and broke front suspension components when hitting the far side of a big washout, but it was a straightforward repair apparently.

Anyway I'm getting along pretty well with my 32" muddies for now.

I think the way he has it set up, the rods set him at off road height in normal mode which is where he leaves it most of the time and occasionally setting it to off road height when needed which essentially puts it at extended height. The rest of the lift is at the subframe so all the angles are still within factory spec....apparently. Have to agree on the tyre size concerns for the drive train. I felt he needed lower diff ratios too judging by he way he was popping up and over some of these boulders...maybe he wasn't in LR.

The best thing about it is, it's great to have someone able to throw the money at one to see where the limits lie and to see what's involved. It will be interesting to see 37s go on ... if he does it. If it holds up and doesn't break with these changes then I think that would be a testament to the strength of the vehicle and bode well for owners using them in stock or lightly modified form.

[SBD4]

Way over produced video from Lucky8:


https://youtu.be/u0EfxNlUlew

Would like to see more continuous filming without the music.

[TerryO]

Another impressive video of the Defender on 35’s really being tested this time.

New Defender - Rocks Poison Spider in MOAB!!! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IhaZW0-ynw)

[SBD4]

Same trip as the TFL Bronco vid:

https://youtu.be/9_-m9ACaOSU

[Slunnie]

It will be interesting to see 37s go on ... if he does it. If it holds up and doesn't break with these changes then I think that would be a testament to the strength of the vehicle and bode well for owners using them in stock or lightly modified form.
Yep, 35's are a pretty big step up in terms of weight compared to a standard tyre, but 37's are a massive step up over a 35 again, I can't believe how different the tyres are for something that is only 2" different in diameter, and thats comparing a simex to Maxxis Creepy Crawler.

[TerryO]

Same trip as the TFL Bronco vid:

https://youtu.be/9_-m9ACaOSU


These guys really don’t like using momentum, they would rather sit there spinning wheels rather than rolling over obstacles.

cheers,
Terry

[one_iota]

These guys really don’t like using momentum, they would rather sit there spinning wheels rather than rolling over obstacles.

cheers,
Terry

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

[Tombie]

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

It can however also do the exact opposite [emoji12]

As slow as possible; as fast as necessary.

[Slunnie]

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

But technique and technology will get you even further than just technique alone.

They're 2 seperate things.

[TerryO]

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

Agreed, who ever said that was a wise man indeed. … :ohyes:

[one_iota]

It can however also do the exact opposite [emoji12]

As slow as possible; as fast as necessary.

Yes, there are two types of technique: right and wrong. [biggrin]

[one_iota]

But technique and technology will get you even further than just technique alone.

They're 2 seperate things.

Exactly as he said. [bigsmile1]

[ramblingboy42]

here we go....

we have this vehicle , several years in the making , lauded loudly by all and sundry here as the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

already there is an ever lengthening list of modifications to make this vehicle the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

I don't get it.......

I think Ineos is going to destroy the Defender

[one_iota]

here we go....

we have this vehicle , several years in the making , lauded loudly by all and sundry here as the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

already there is an ever lengthening list of modifications to make this vehicle the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

I don't get it.......

I think Ineos is going to destroy the Defender

Well everyone knows that the classic Defender was the most capable 4wd to come out of the factory, except these people:

Spectre Land Rover Defender Review - New Land Rover Defender (https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/g27527364/himalaya-spectre-land-rover/)

[tonguewink][biggrin]

[Loubrey]

here we go....

we have this vehicle , several years in the making , lauded loudly by all and sundry here as the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

already there is an ever lengthening list of modifications to make this vehicle the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

I don't get it.......

I think Ineos is going to destroy the Defender

The majority of these "mods" are vanity based and really not required, so no reflection on the ability of a stock vehicle.

I've got a couple of very good friends who instruct at Eastnor Castle Experience Centre and the stock L663 P300 Defender 90's (on coils) they drive at the experience centre runs absolute rings around the stock L316 Defenders they have left over. The new ones are in fact so good, that they have re-opened the old Camel Trophy selections area as the tracks that only the old Defenders could do was no challenge for the new Defenders.

I've had limited opportunity to test my new D250 90 properly off-road, but the little bit I have done, its has done with so much more ease and comfort than the old 90 ever managed.

People like lift kits for what they look like, and the aesthetic enhancement they support, like big wheels. I have never lifted any of my Defenders over the past 28 years and other than fitting 33" tyres, they have all been stock and no less capable than the ones with all the money spent on them.

This will be the same approach with my new L663 Defender and I'll put money on it that a vehicle with thousands of dollars will only be marginally (if at all) capable than a stock vehicle on 33" tyres.

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, so they will be killing themselves with lack of sales long before it has a chance of becoming a real rival.

[AK83]

.....

This will be the same approach with my new L663 Defender and I'll put money on it that a vehicle with thousands of dollars will only be marginally (if at all) capable than a stock vehicle on 33" tyres.

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, so they will be killing themselves with lack of sales long before it has a chance of becoming a real rival.

TFL showed recently the major inherent issue with the new Defender, and that is that most will need 19+ inch wheel due to brake limitations.


70 aspect ratio tyres for 19's are very thin on the ground .... if not impossible to find!

Vehicle may be the most capable ever, but if tyres are blown to bits at every rock climb, that capability is wasted.

[TB]

TFL showed recently the major inherent issue with the new Defender, and that is that most will need 19+ inch wheel due to brake limitations.

That problem is officially solved now in Australia. TuffAnt have an ADR-compliant, certified and LR-supported brake caliper modification to enable the downsize from 19" to 18" wheels.

[one_iota]

TFL showed recently the major inherent issue with the new Defender, and that is that most will need 19+ inch wheel due to brake limitations.


The "bottom" two variants Defender and Defender S can travel on 18" rims. I would hazard a guess that the majority of owners who play among the rocks and further afield will be in that category. Even 18" won't necessarily be carried in stock. I had order-in standard size tyres for my 16" wheels when in Kalgoorlie!

[ramblingboy42]

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, ...quote

where did you see prices to confirm that?

[Tombie]

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, ...quote

where did you see prices to confirm that?

Just need to extrapolate estimates and can see by the time it gets here, complies, taxes etc it’s going to be well up there.

I’ll take a punt and say the base Grenadier will land in Oz for $90k and go from there.

[scarry]

Just need to extrapolate estimates and can see by the time it gets here, complies, taxes etc it’s going to be well up there.

I’ll take a punt and say the base Grenadier will land in Oz for $90k and go from there.

Plus on roads,so will be up over a $100K easy,before it lands in the driveway.

Hopefully it has more room in the rear load area than the new 110.

Although the 130 is on the horizon,with probably a huge price increase over the 110.

[AK83]

That problem is officially solved now in Australia. TuffAnt have an ADR-compliant, certified and LR-supported brake caliper modification to enable the downsize from 19" to 18" wheels.

Yeah, and this is what those folks in Colorado(USA) seem to have fitted to theirs.

My point to Loubrey, that while many may opt for this type of mod for the sake of vanity, the reality is that most Defers will probably come out with the 19" or 20" wheel options.
How many D200's will sell .. folks want 400Hp!! .. got to get the kids to kindie quickly!

19's really only seem to come in highway terrain types. Near impossible to find any off road tyre in 19" rim size.

If you go to 20" rims, you can get US imperial type tyres in off road configs. Availability here is Aus .. would be questionable tho.
Impossible to find in 33", and hard to find in 35" for 20" rims(here in Aus) .. and they're still quite low profile.

Would be interesting to see how well, say, a 33" tyre on an 18" or 20" rim would fit under the new Defender.

The TFL incident was so funny to watch(blown tyres episode). I wasn't expecting the second blown tyre, I was expecting some other bit to fail, or that it was going to sail through effortlessly.

On my D1 an easy trip into Wonangatta on some very easy tracks(on tyres) I saw 4 punctures simply due to the weak construction of the tyres(well known manufacturer). This is on 70 series tyres that should have handled the tracks without any dramas. In my driveway at home(which I definitely don't remember using tek screws as the base!) in the 4 years I had those tyres, I had 20 punctures or so(maybe 15, and then Wonangatta trip ended up causing the 20th puncture!) .. either way, with still plenty of life in them, I got rid of them.
Got rid of them for a set of really cheapie cheapies, and not a single issue with them in 2+ years, and so much so that pressures haven't deviated from those that I set when new. New tyres are 75s and LT.

[Tombie]

Don’t know why you think 35s for 20s would be an issue to source.

They’re on the shelf at 3 local shops

[zilch]

My point to Loubrey, that while many may opt for this type of mod for the sake of vanity,

I like a few like minded P400 and D300 owners on the Aussie FB owners group will be undertaking the Tuff Ant conversion
from 19' to 18" and it has nothing to do with vanity, it is so we can fit decent off road tyres and not be beholden to the limited
choice from LR. You can source LT based tyres in 18', which will give me far more confidence when off the beaten track than
the swiss cheese side wall based Goodyears ..

[AK83]

I like a few like minded P400 and D300 owners on the Aussie FB owners group will be undertaking the Tuff Ant conversion
from 19' to 18" and it has nothing to do with vanity, it is so we can fit decent off road tyres and not be beholden to the limited
choice from LR...

Yep!
Doesn't sound like vanity to me either.
Some folks have their methods and that's all they seem to understand, maybe haven't had issues that others have had.
So their default shout out is to belittle others' choices as frivolous.

Will be interesting to see yours when done.

[Vern]

Yep, 35's are a pretty big step up in terms of weight compared to a standard tyre, but 37's are a massive step up over a 35 again, I can't believe how different the tyres are for something that is only 2" different in diameter, and thats comparing a simex to Maxxis Creepy Crawler.Was just looking at some footage of the camel trophy ones with 37's on them [emoji41]

[SBD4]

Well they did it. Got 37s under it. not a great vid, here it is none the less:


https://youtu.be/RK-vpbMQ85c