Indonesia asks for Aus. and Singapore to help in Submarine sinking

[bob10]

The rescue gear is based in WA, from memory.

Indonesia searching for 53 crew aboard missing submarine, seeks Australia, Singapore help | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-submarine-missing/indonesia-searching-for-53-crew-aboard-missing-submarine-seeks-australia-singapore-help-idUSKBN2C81DF)


Submarine Rescue Vehicles | Royal Australian Navy (https://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/submarines/submarine-rescue-vehicles)

[Tins]

That's not good. Let's hope for a speedy and safe result for all on board.

[Eevo]

the RAN is only too happy to help with its sinking.

edit: oh, you meant something else,.

[Old Farang]

Indonesia races to find missing submarine with 53 aboardIndonesia races to find missing submarine with 53 aboard (bangkokpost.com) (https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2103775/indonesia-races-to-find-missing-submarine-with-53-aboard)


BALI (INDONESIA) - Indonesia deployed warships Thursday in the hunt for a navy submarine that went missing with 53 crew aboard off the coast of Bali, as other nations sent vessels to help with the search.

An oil spill where the vessel was thought to have submerged early Wednesday during regular exercises could point to damage, the navy has said, fanning fears that the Southeast Asian nation may be the latest country to suffer a fatal submarine disaster.

The German-built KRI Nanggala 402 was scheduled to conduct live torpedo exercises when it asked for permission to dive. It lost contact shortly after.

Navy spokesman Julius Widjojono said Thursday that search teams were focused on an area around the oil slick, but that the exact location of the vessel had yet to be pinpointed.

[barney]

aren't submarines supposed to sink?

[V8Ian]

aren't submarines supposed to sink?
It's still preferred that they pop back up, every now and again.

[bob10]

aren't submarines supposed to sink?

Yes, but the men are not supposed to die.

[Eevo]

Yes, but the men are not supposed to die.

most of my seamen die.

[Blknight.aus]

most of my seamen die.

that'd be because you keep your rough hands on the mast.

[Eevo]

that'd be because you keep your rough hands on the mast.

hahahhahaha!

you been looking though my window again?

[bob10]

600 to 700 metres down, with a 250 metre crush depth.

Desperate search for missing submarine enters second day (thenewdaily.com.au) (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/asia-news/2021/04/22/missing-submarine-bali/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM%20Extra%20-%2020210422)

Navy Hymn for Submariners - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+naval+hymn+youtube&&view=detail&mid=070F930633CBB27B43BB070F930633CBB27B43BB&&FORM=VDRVRV)

[Bulletman]

A friend drives 1 of 2 submarine rescue vessels based at garden(?) island in rockingham WA. He told me when we caught up last year there were the only 2 of that type of vessel in the southern hemisphere .

I hear on the news an oil slick has been sighted so it seems something has gone wrong. I can only wish them the best, but like many I fear the worse.. hopefully if they have entered davy jones locker, it was fast and painless.

Bulletman

[bob10]

Let's hope this is them.;

Unidentified floating object detected in search for missing Indonesian submarine with 53 on board (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/unidentified-floating-object-detected-in-search-for-missing-indonesian-submarine-with-53-on-board/ar-BB1fX3Hr?ocid=msedgntp)

[3toes]

News here says that the commander of the submarines was on board

Hope that will not have caused a breakdown in decisions as the top person was not there to authorise deployment of rescue plan earlier

[NavyDiver]

"Indonesian navy detects ‘strong magnetic force’ in search for submarine" is about an hour old news.

Sadly it is likely to be too late for the Sailors.

[101RRS]

"Indonesian navy detects ‘strong magnetic force’ in search for submarine" is about an hour old news.



Actually was from about midday yesterday but is really all too late. They could do a very risky escape from that depth and the fact they haven't does not bode well.

[bob10]

News here says that the commander of the submarines was on board

Hope that will not have caused a breakdown in decisions as the top person was not there to authorise deployment of rescue plan earlier

They were carrying out torpedo trials. Suddenly lost contact. I really hope it's not what I think it is. By all reports they are now out of breathable air.

[AlM]

It is almost certainly a recovery mission now.



"It is very rare that there are people left alive after an initial leak, explosion, or mechanical fire," Dr Hellyer said.



"When things go bad, they tend to go catastrophically bad."

[Old Farang]

Authentic evidence': Grim discovery in search for missing submarine


'Authentic evidence': Grim find in search for missing submarine (yahoo.com) (https://au.news.yahoo.com/authentic-evidence-grim-discovery-search-missing-submarine-092902775.html)

Australian Associated Press (https://www.yahoo.com/author/australian-associated-press-562)Sat, 24 April 2021, 4:29 pm·1-min read



Indonesia's navy says items have been found from a missing submarine, indicating the vessel with 53 crew members has sunk. (https://au.news.yahoo.com/mysterious-object-detected-search-for-missing-submarine-004917735.html)

Navy Chief Yudo Margono said on Saturday rescuers found several items including parts of a torpedo straightener, a grease bottle believed to be used to oil the periscope and prayer rugs from the submarine.

"With the authentic evidence we found believed to be from the submarine, we have now moved from the sub miss phase to sub sunk," Admiral Margono said.

[4bee]

They were carrying out torpedo trials. Suddenly lost contact. I really hope it's not what I think it is. By all reports they are now out of breathable air. Good point bob, it happened with a Russian Sub. ie. A torpedo explosion in the tube I think it was & from the image blew her Bow section off. No chance then. Kursk submarine disaster - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster) Why would they have been playing with Torps, don't they know they are dangerous?[bighmmm] I guess it isn't the Torpedo but what's inside it, in the Kursk's case. It is probably all academic now anyway, unfortunately.

[bob10]

In 1968, the Nuclear Submarine , USS Scorpion, was lost in the Atlantic. In a nutshell, a thorough investigation showed, with the use of hydrophones, especially from the Canary Islands area, that Scorpion had abruptly changed course 180 degrees , and not long after an underwater explosion was heard. In those days torpedos were carried fully armed[ still are ] and occassionaly one would have what was called a "hot run."The torpedo would activate, and by turning 180 degrees you would trigger a fail safe device , shutting it down. The same safety devices prevented a torpedo turning and blowing up the Sub it came from. Something happened on Scorpion where the sinking was put down to the torpedo detonating. Not saying this happened here, but whatever happened, it was quick, and no distress signal was sent.

The Navy ODE;

" They have no grave but the cruel sea

No flowers lay at their head

A rusting hulk is their tombstone

afast on the ocean bed

They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun , and in the morning, we will remember them."

R.I.P.

[bob10]

Good point bob, it happened with a Russian Sub. ie. A torpedo explosion in the tube I think it was.

Kursk submarine disaster - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster)


Why would they have been playing with Torps, don't they know they are dangerous?[bighmmm]

I guess it isn't the Torpedo but what's inside it, in the Kursk's case.

It is probably all academic now anyway unfortunately.

Whatever they pay submariners, it isn't enough.

[4bee]

In 1968, the Nuclear Submarine , USS Scorpion, was lost in the Atlantic. In a nutshell, a thorough investigation showed, with the use of hydrophones, especially from the Canary Islands area, that Scorpion had abruptly changed course 180 degrees , and not long after an underwater explosion was heard. In those days torpedos were carried fully armed[ still are ] and occassionaly one would have what was called a "hot run."The torpedo would activate, and by turning 180 degrees you would trigger a fail safe device , shutting it down. The same safety devices prevented a torpedo turning and blowing up the Sub it came from. Something happened on Scorpion where the sinking was put down to the torpedo detonating. Not saying this happened here, but whatever happened, it was quick, and no distress signal was sent.

The Navy ODE;

" They have no grave but the cruel sea

No flowers lay at their head

A rusting hulk is their tombstone

afast on the ocean bed

They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun , and in the morning, we will remember them."

R.I.P.

We will & thanks.



From 3toes.News here says that the commander of the submarines was on board

Hope that will not have caused a breakdown in decisions as the top person was not there to authorise deployment of rescue plan earlier


More importantly that that person did not override a decision or procedure of the normal Captain or OoW?[bigsad]

[Eevo]

Whatever they pay submariners, it isn't enough.
10-15years ago they were the highest paid in the aust defense force.
assume its still the same

[W&KO]

10-15years ago they were the highest paid in the aust defense force.
assume its still the same

Correct, but they still cannot attract enough

[bob10]

We will & thanks.



From 3toes.News here says that the commander of the submarines was on board

Hope that will not have caused a breakdown in decisions as the top person was not there to authorise deployment of rescue plan earlier


More importantly that that person did not override a decision or procedure of the normal Captain or OoW?[bigsad]

Actually, that was something lost in translation. the " Commander " was the Boats Captain.

[W&KO]

10-15years ago they were the highest paid in the aust defense force.
assume its still the same

I believe it’s still volunteer based.......my oldest and constantly being asked to become a submariner when his training is completed.

[Eevo]

I believe it’s still volunteer based.......my oldest and constantly being asked to become a submariner when his training is completed.
all of the defnse force is volunteer based, so I'm not understand the context of what you mean.

[Saitch]

all of the defnse force is volunteer based, so I'm not understand the context of what you mean.

170531

[4bee]

Actually, that was something lost in translation. the " Commander " was the Boats Captain.



Did wonder if that may have been the case. Singular & not Overall in command of that Sub. group then? Bad boy 3 toes. Back to English Class for another term for you m'boy with Ms Brown, she'll lick you into shape, lucky lad ..:bat:


Wondered also whether he might have been the INDO equiv of Capt. Queeg. You know the one of the rolling balls.

The Caine Mutiny - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caine_Mutiny)

But I didn't really, but hey............... .

[W&KO]

all of the defnse force is volunteer based, so I'm not understand the context of what you mean.

Yes and no.......once you volunteer to join the navy you you than have the option to volunteer to be a submariner, if you don’t want to, they cannot make you....therefore they offer good money to entice sailors to volunteer to go to the dark side.

[shwza]

all of the defnse force is volunteer based, so I'm not understand the context of what you mean.

Everything is volunteer based not just the defense force. No one gets conscripted into an apprenticeship or university. Volunteering in the military is the same concept as volunteering to eat a hamburger or become an accountant. No one made a law that says you have do any of it. Once you're in you can then volunteer to do things that you haven't been signed up to do like go on a sub, but you'll be getting paid to do it

[austastar]

Hi,
I believe that the pay scale for the submarine chefs is near eye-watering.
Cheers

[4bee]

Hi,
I believe that the pay scale for the submarine chefs is near eye-watering.
Cheers


That just means he's cutting up too many White Onions I believe the reds don't affect you like that. Probably nothing to do Pay Scales at all. [bigrolf]

[Eevo]

from 2009

THE highest paid non-officer in the military is not an SAS sergeant fluent in three languages taking out Taliban bombmakers in Afghanistan - it's the guy cooking food on a submarine.
A senior sub-sea chef with more than six years experience under his belt earns up to $200,000 a year, the same money as a junior admiral.

[101RRS]

Electrical technicians will be higher paid.

[4bee]

from 2009

THE highest paid non-officer in the military is not an SAS sergeant fluent in three languages taking out Taliban bombmakers in Afghanistan - it's the guy cooking food on a submarine.
A senior sub-sea chef with more than six years experience under his belt earns up to $200,000 a year, the same money as a junior admiral.



Speaking of bombs at least the Chef could knock up a decent Bombe Alaska, also a Chef with a 6 year stint under his belt would need a 6XL Belt.:Rolling: At least. Boom Tish.

[Old Farang]

Missing Indonesian submarine found broken up in Bali Sea
Missing Indonesian submarine found broken up in Bali Sea | Indonesia | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/25/missing-indonesian-submarine-found-broken-up-in-bali-sea)

President sends condolences to relatives of 53 crew of KRI Nanggala, which lost contact on Wednesday

A missing Indonesian submarine has been found, broken into at least three parts, deep in the Bali Sea, army and navy officials have said, as the president sent condolences to relatives of the 53 crew.

The navy chief of staff, Yudo Margono, said the crew was not to blame for the sinking. “The KRI Nanggala is divided into three parts, the hull of the ship, the stern of the ship, and the main parts are all separated, with the main part found cracked,” he said.

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ........

Indonesia authorities say found missing submarine, 53 crew deadIndonesia authorities say found missing submarine, 53 crew dead (bangkokpost.com) (https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2105247/indonesia-authorities-say-found-missing-submarine-53-crew-dead)

"There were parts of KRI Nanggala 402 — it was broken into three pieces," said Navy Chief of Staff Yudo Margono.

Authorities said that they received signals from the location more than 800 metres deep early Sunday morning and that they had used an underwater submarine rescue vehicle supplied by Singapore to get a visual confirmation.

[101RRS]

The reports also confirmed that the Commander of the Submarine Fleet was also onboard - is a different person to the Captain of the submarine.

[shwza]

The reports also confirmed that the Commander of the Submarine Fleet was also onboard - is a different person to the Captain of the submarine.

Broken in 3 pieces almost a kilometre down that's insane. Hopefully they didn't suffer. How sad what a waste

[bob10]

Electrical technicians will be higher paid.

A Marine Engineering Officer's base salary on a Submarine is $ 81, 235. With allowances, it comes to $114,217 [c]

OFFICER EXAMPLE (e.g. qualified Marine Engineer Submariner in third year of service)

TOTAL PACKAGE: $114,217 P.A.
PLUS generous superannuation




This package is made up of:

Pay (at least): $81,235 p.a.
Your base salary once you have completed both military training and initial employment training

Service allowance: $13,991 p.a.
Paid to compensate you for the unique impacts service life may have on you and your family

Uniform allowance: $682 p.a.
Helps cover the cost of looking after your uniform

Submariner Maritime allowance: $18,309 p.a.
This is paid to compensate you for the impacts of working in a maritime environment you experience while serving in a submarine.

Your salary will increase in line with your rank and time spent serving on submarines.

Please note these figures do not include compulsory deductions for tax, meals, accommodation and utilities (as applicable).


A Marine Technician submariner, third year of service , base rate is $ 53, 289. After allowances brings it to

$ 86,008.

SAILOR EXAMPLE (e.g. Marine Technician Submariner in third year of service)

TOTAL PACKAGE: $86,008 P.A.
PLUS generous superannuation




This package is made up of:

Pay (at least): $53,289 p.a.
Your base salary once you have completed both military training and initial employment training

Service allowance: $13,991 p.a.
Paid to compensate you for the unique impacts service life may have on you and your family

Uniform allowance: $419 p.a.
Helps cover the cost of looking after your uniform

Submariner Maritime allowance: $18,309 p.a.
This is paid to compensate you for the impacts of working in a maritime environment you experience while serving in a submarine.

Your salary will increase in line with your rank and time spent serving on submarines.

Please note these figures do not include compulsory deductions for tax, meals, accommodation and utilities.

[4bee]

A Marine Engineering Officer's base salary on a Submarine is $ 81, 235. With allowances, it comes to $114,217 [c]

OFFICER EXAMPLE (e.g. qualified Marine Engineer Submariner in third year of service)

TOTAL PACKAGE: $114,217 P.A.
PLUS generous superannuation




This package is made up of:

Pay (at least): $81,235 p.a.
Your base salary once you have completed both military training and initial employment training

Service allowance: $13,991 p.a.
Paid to compensate you for the unique impacts service life may have on you and your family

Uniform allowance: $682 p.a.
Helps cover the cost of looking after your uniform

Submariner Maritime allowance: $18,309 p.a.
This is paid to compensate you for the impacts of working in a maritime environment you experience while serving in a submarine.

Your salary will increase in line with your rank and time spent serving on submarines.

Please note these figures do not include compulsory deductions for tax, meals, accommodation and utilities (as applicable).


A Marine Technician submariner, third year of service , base rate is $ 53, 289. After allowances brings it to

$ 86,008.

SAILOR EXAMPLE (e.g. Marine Technician Submariner in third year of service)

TOTAL PACKAGE: $86,008 P.A.
PLUS generous superannuation




This package is made up of:

Pay (at least): $53,289 p.a.
Your base salary once you have completed both military training and initial employment training

Service allowance: $13,991 p.a.
Paid to compensate you for the unique impacts service life may have on you and your family

Uniform allowance: $419 p.a.
Helps cover the cost of looking after your uniform

Submariner Maritime allowance: $18,309 p.a.
This is paid to compensate you for the impacts of working in a maritime environment you experience while serving in a submarine.

Your salary will increase in line with your rank and time spent serving on submarines.

Please note these figures do not include compulsory deductions for tax, meals, accommodation and utilities.








What does a Submariner Plumber get?[wink11]

[bob10]

What does a Submariner Plumber get?[wink11]

That would be a Marine technician. Used to be Shipwrights, back in the day. Shipwrights are no more.

[4bee]

That would be a Marine technician. Used to be Shipwrights, back in the day. Shipwrights are no more.


Fancy monikers but usually the same job. Shipwright was a good respectable & solid calling then.


My old man set me up to work here at The SA Harbours Board as a Shipwright but something happened & I never did.

I reckon I would have loved that job on Work Boats, Launches etc.

Ah that's right, I met a sheila & that was that. [bighmmm] Can't even recall her name now maybe she really was forgettable after all? Margaret or summat ??? So I became a Fridgie instead after I had tried making Big Royal Show Fruit Displays & Sign writing. Nearly tripped up to be a Firie in the SAFB but chickened out beforehand after watching blokes jumping off of the Hose Tower into a canvas Mat a million feet down.

The Mat itself from that height looked about the size of a Threepenny Bit. I thought, "That is deffo not for you Dessie boy.":Rolling: **** no".

Of course this was well before the Aerial Ladders of today & I believe the Rescue Mat was made obsolete years ago. 'elf & Safety I suppose. I guess too many fellers were missing the target on the mat. Arms folded across the chest & legs out in front in a sitting postion & not a pretty sight to clean up off the concrete in that pose. How the hell they believed that "Civvies" could be rescued in an Emergency using that apparatus was beyond me. A Firey to throw them off perhaps?

Ok for a Qualified Firey to get down quickly though.


Then there was the Hook Ladder Race up & down the Tower. No, not today .


I could have been my Son in Law's Chief Officer by now. Or he mine?[bigsad]

Ah Happy Days.170570

[bob10]

Fancy monikers but usually the same job. Shipwright was a good respectable & solid calling then.


My old man set me up to work here at The SA Harbours Board as a Shipwright but something happened & I never did.

I reckon I would have loved that job on Work Boats, Launches etc.

Ah that's right, I met a sheila & that was that. [bighmmm] Can't even recall her name now maybe she really was forgettable after all? Margaret or summat ??? So I became a Fridgie instead after I had tried making Big Royal Show Fruit Displays & Sign writing. Nearly tripped up to be a Firie in the SAFB but chickened out beforehand after watching blokes jumping off of the Hose Tower into a canvas Mat a million feet down. Thought, "That is deffo not for you Dessie boy.":Rolling: **** no".

Of course this was well before the Aerial Ladders of today & I believe the Rescue Mat was made obsolete years ago. 'elf & Safety I suppose. I guess too many fellers were missing the target on the mat. Arms folded across the chest & legs out in front & not a pretty sight to clean up off the concrete in that pose. How the hell they believed that "Civvies" could be rescued in an Emergency was beyond me.

Ok for a Qualified Firey to get down quickly though.


Then there was the Hook Ladder Race up the Tower. No not today .


I could have been my Son in Law's Chief Officer by now. Or he mine?[bigsad]

Ah Happy Days.

Shipwrights evolved in the RAN, from genuine wood butchers, to glorified fridge mechs. , all evolving each time the government decided on a new " restructure ". One Chippie that made a name for himself was a friend of mine , Ian Hansen, who has become an internationally acclaimed Marine Artist. One of his paintings , of the Melbourne / Voyager collision, hangs [ or used to] in the AWM. Born in Bordertown, Qld claimed him , because he lived in Hervey Bay. Check out his story here; He was a very good boxer, as well. An artist who fights, go figure.

IAN HANSEN MARINE ARTIST, renowned Australian maritime artist, Sydney (https://www.ianhansenmarineartist.com/)

[bob10]

Check out his Art Awards.


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HOME (https://www.ianhansenmarineartist.com/)
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https://www.ianhansenmarineartist.com/images/ian-profile.jpgBorn in Bordertown SA 1948, Ian's childhood years were spent on the foreshore of Hervey Bay. It was here that his deep love of ships and the sea developed. By the age of 8 he was actively painting with water colours moving to oils when he was 11. His first oil survived and hangs in his Hunters Hill studio.

Joining the Royal Australian Navy at 15 as an apprentice shipwright, he served 12 years reaching the rank of Chief Petty Officer. He saw active service in Vietnam 1967-68. Ian painted continually in off duty hours, recording the ships and scenes he observed during his travels. Prouds Art Gallery offered him his first one man exhibition in 1974 while he was still in the Navy, the success of this show convinced him to try becoming a full time artist once his service time expired in 1975.
After a brief stint of cruising and painting on board a 38 ft yacht, he built a studio overlooking the Whitsunday Islands, this idealic location was too far from the art world and he returned to Sydney in 1981. Married with 3 children Ian lives in Hunters Hill, Sydney, his studio the converted stables in the rear garden.

He regularly sails on his classic 45′ cutter 'Karalee', and crews on board the Barque 'James Craig' on her extended voyages. These trips reinforce Ian's deep understanding of the sea, his illustrated log books (https://ianhansenmarineartist.com/artist-journals-antarctic-voyage.html) are always viewed with great interest by visitors to his studio.
In 2000 Ian was invited by the Royal Australian Navy to go to East Timor and record the Navy's involvement during the crisis, he spent time on several ships sketching and painting, the resulting paintings now hang in the Navy's Fleet Headquarters. In 2002 Ian joined the Ice Ship 'Sir Hubert Wilkins' on a 5 week voyage to Antarctica, part of his illustrated log is reproduced on this site.
Ian works mainly on commission, he exhibits with 'The Maritime Gallery at Mystic Seaport'. In Connecticut USA, the Gallery hosts 'The Annual International Art Exhibition' and since his first acceptance in 1987, Ian has won 6 major awards.
In 2002 he was appointed one of the Gallery's 'Premier Artists', only 20 are appointed worldwide. Ian is a member of "Kevin Hills Top 10 Australian Artists" who exhibit their work several times each year.

Ian is a Fellow of The Royal Art Society, a Fellow of The Australian Institute of History and Arts and a Fellow of The Australian Society of Marine Artists. His works hang in Government House Sydney, Sydney Stock Exchange, Australian National Maritime Museum, Sydney Heritage Fleet, Royal Australian Navy, Naval Historical Society, Royal Sydney Yacht Squadron, Lady Denman Museum, AMP building and many corporate and private collections throughout the World.
In 2013, Ian was appointed as the official artist for the International Fleet Review '2013' commemorating the 100th Anniversary of the Royal Australian Navy.
ART AWARDS



2015 Hunters Hill Art Exhibition, Hunters Hill Art Prize
2012 International Marine Art Exhibition Award of Excellence
2010 International Marine Art Exhibition Thomas Wells Award
2008 International Marine Art Exhibition Thomas Wells Award
2005 International Marine Art Exhibition. Award of Excellence
2004 International Marine Art Exhibition Thomas Wells Award
2001 Royal Art Society Medal of Distinction
2001 Art Scene Art Awards $10,000 First Prize
1991 ACTA Australian Maritime Art Award Finalist
1989 ACTA Australian Maritime Art Award Popular Choice Winner
1987 International Marine Art Exhibition. Award of Excellence (Held at The Maritime Gallery at Mystic Seaport USA)
1987 ACTA Australian Maritime Art Award Finalist
1986 ACTA Australian Maritime Art Award Finalist
1985 ACTA Australian Maritime Art Award Finalist
1961 Wide Bay & Burnett Exhibition of Arts, ‘ Champion Picture of Exhibition’ 1st, 2nd, & 3rd prize Children’s Section

[4bee]

Shipwrights evolved in the RAN, from genuine wood butchers, to glorified fridge mechs. , all evolving each time the government decided on a new " restructure ". One Chippie that made a name for himself was a friend of mine , Ian Hansen, who has become an internationally acclaimed Marine Artist. One of his paintings , of the Melbourne / Voyager collision, hangs [ or used to] in the AWM. Born in Bordertown, Qld claimed him , because he lived in Hervey Bay. Check out his story here; He was a very good boxer, as well. An artist who fights, go figure.

IAN HANSEN MARINE ARTIST, renowned Australian maritime artist, Sydney (https://www.ianhansenmarineartist.com/)


Some nice images there bob. I particularly like the Dogger Bank Fisher & the Hervey Bay Outer Channel Buoy being sort of solitary. I like solitaries. I'm sure there are heaps more there if only they'd stop whistling past my screen.[bigrolf]

The Hansen name of Hervey reminds me that my old Boss was a Hansen & he had a son a PO or CPO in the RAN & could have lived up there in Hervey. His dad (Jim) didn't, but that doesn't mean Lewis did or didn't. Just a thought that you may have some knowledge or if it is the same family. I spent many happy hours with Lewis driving all over the state when he came in to work & his dad sent him out with the the Vans to get him out of his hair I guess. Then he enlisted.[bigrolf]

Would have been back in the 'nam days as the Co were building walk in Refrigerated Freezers/Storage, Aux powered cabinets at that time for the Army Engineers.


Just a thought.

[bob10]

Some nice images there bob. I particularly like the Dogger Bank Fisher & the Hervey Bay Outer Channel Buoy being sort of solitary. I like solitaries. I'm sure there are heaps more there if only they'd stop whistling past my screen.[bigrolf]

The Hansen name of Hervey reminds me that my old Boss was a Hansen & he had a son a PO or CPO in the RAN & could have lived up there in Hervey. His dad (Jim) didn't, but that doesn't mean Lewis did or didn't. Just a thought that you may have some knowledge or if it is the same family. I spent many happy hours with Lewis driving all over the state when he came in to work & his dad sent him out with the the Vans to get him out of his hair I guess. Then he enlisted.[bigrolf]

Would have been back in the 'nam days as the Co were building walk in Refrigerated Freezers/Storage, Aux powered cabinets at that time for the Army Engineers.


Just a thought.

Can't really help you there, Ian is his name. One amazing fact is, Ian is completely self taught, been painting since the age of 8.

Self taught and actively painting at 8 with watercolours, won The Wide Bay and Burnett Districts Art Prize when he was only 12 as well as 1st 2nd & 3rd prize in the children's section. At this stage he was giving a set of oil paints and became totally entranced with this medium.

[4bee]

Can't really help you there, Ian is his name. One amazing fact is, Ian is completely self taught, been painting since the age of 8.

Self taught and actively painting at 8 with watercolours, won The Wide Bay and Burnett Districts Art Prize when he was only 12 as well as 1st 2nd & 3rd prize in the children's section. At this stage he was giving a set of oil paints and became totally entranced with this medium.


No prob bob. See what I did there?[bighmmm] As the Hansen name is the common denominator & in Hervey it was worth asking the question. He could have been a rellie eg. A nephew?


If your one is like my blokes, he'll do.

[Old Farang]

Hmm, well this is something new:

Indonesia's sunken submarine may have been hit by a powerful force known as an internal wave
Indonesia's sunken submarine may have been hit by a powerful force known as an internal wave - ABC News (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-30/indonesian-submarine-may-have-been-hit-by-internal-wave/100102816)

As an Indonesian navy submarine crewed by 53 men glided below the surface of the Bali Sea during a routine training exercise, it may have been hit by an invisible but powerful force that dragged them to the deep.

Indonesian navy officials suspect an internal solitary wave, known to occur in the seas around Bali, may have caused the sinking of KRI Nanggala 402, and the loss of its 53 crew (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-25/missing-indonesian-submarine-found-with-no-survivors/100094584).

The vessel sank to a depth of 838 metres, far beyond the reach of rescuers.

Many theories have been put forward butauthorities now say there is evidence an underwater wave — that can exert an intense vertical pull below the sea surface — occurred in the Bali Sea around the very time the submarine disappeared last Wednesday morning.

[bob10]

Hmm, well this is something new:

Indonesia's sunken submarine may have been hit by a powerful force known as an internal wave


Indonesia's sunken submarine may have been hit by a powerful force known as an internal wave - ABC News (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-30/indonesian-submarine-may-have-been-hit-by-internal-wave/100102816)

As an Indonesian navy submarine crewed by 53 men glided below the surface of the Bali Sea during a routine training exercise, it may have been hit by an invisible but powerful force that dragged them to the deep.

Indonesian navy officials suspect an internal solitary wave, known to occur in the seas around Bali, may have caused the sinking of KRI Nanggala 402, and the loss of its 53 crew (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-25/missing-indonesian-submarine-found-with-no-survivors/100094584).

The vessel sank to a depth of 838 metres, far beyond the reach of rescuers.

Many theories have been put forward butauthorities now say there is evidence an underwater wave — that can exert an intense vertical pull below the sea surface — occurred in the Bali Sea around the very time the submarine disappeared last Wednesday morning.




There is such a thing, but .....sounds like a snowjob to me. Nature is to blame, not human error. Right.

[shwza]

There is such a thing, but .....sounds like a snowjob to me. Nature is to blame, not human error. Right.

I would have thought that it would be incorporated into the design surely?

[Eevo]

i agree with bob on thsi one.

[bob10]

I would have thought that it would be incorporated into the design surely?

I'm not an expert, but something doesn't sound right. The Submarine force Commander was sea riding, apparently. they were about to commence torpedo drills, [ hate that word] apparently. Whatever happened, there was not enough time to communicate any problems to the surface. Why was the squadron Commander there? Were they testing a new weapon? Am I promoting a conspiracy theory? probably. Either way, a submarine and her crew are laying on the bottom of the ocean. And I have no more idea than any one else why.

[Old Farang]

There is a good description of "internal waves at the following. While I have an open mind on what MAY have happened, having spent about 10 years working offshore in Indonesia I have never heard of this being a problem.
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What we know about the internal waves that may have sunk Indonesia's submarine
What we know about the internal waves that may have sunk Indonesia's submarine - ABC News (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-05-01/indonesian-sunken-submarine-internal-waves-what-do-we-know/100107196)

While some speculated that the submarine was hit by a foreign missile or a power blackout, Indonesian authorities now suspect the submarine was pulled under by a powerful underwater current called an internal solitary wave (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-30/indonesian-submarine-may-have-been-hit-by-internal-wave/100102816).

[Tins]

https://youtu.be/oBA4E66fERQ

[Fourgearsticks]

Indo's are very well known for not questioning any authority. Civil or military you do not point out any problems. The Navy were very quick to blame everything but the crew. The wave theory if you read into it only effects a couple of hundred feet, once through it they should have been able to recover.

[4bee]

Indo's are very well known for not questioning any authority. Civil or military you do not point out any problems. The Navy were very quick to blame everything but the crew. The wave theory if you read into it only effects a couple of hundred feet, once through it they should have been able to recover.

That certainly puts a new slant on it, Fgs.


Things can't improve with that crap thinking.[bighmmm]

[4bee]

I'm not an expert, but something doesn't sound right. The Submarine force Commander was sea riding, apparently. they were about to commence torpedo drills, [ hate that word] apparently. Whatever happened, there was not enough time to communicate any problems to the surface. Why was the squadron Commander there? Were they testing a new weapon? Am I promoting a conspiracy theory? probably. Either way, a submarine and her crew are laying on the bottom of the ocean. And I have no more idea than any one else why.


When I raised that question on here thinking as you have I was told it meant it was the normal Boat Captain.


Dunno!

[4bee]

Actually, that was something lost in translation. the " Commander " was the Boats Captain.

Actually, it was you bob.

[101RRS]

No it was not the submarine Captain but the Commander of Submarines - really all quite normal for a working up submarine or one doing special trials - we do it, but the Commander Submarines (the old COMSUBRON) would be accompanied by a sea riding team - it not clear in the Indonesian reports whether this was also case in their situation.

I assume the Indonesian Navy would be the same as ours in that the Captain retains full power of command irrespective of who else is onboard and retains that power unless officially relieved of command. If ordered to do something by the Commander that the Captain deems not safe etc he does not have to do it - however there is a cultural aspect that could come into play - it would be hard enough on an Australian ship for a Captain to say NO but, knowing a little of SE Asian culture I can see an Indonesian Captain caving into pressure.

Garry

[bob10]

Actually, it was you bob.

Yes I agree. EDIT. I got it wrong. I couldn't understand why the Commander of Submarines would be there on his own. [ ie no team with him] Still don't , but having said that I wasn't a submariner, just have some very good friends who were. We used to discuss our different jobs , etc.

[4bee]

Yes I agree. That sounds a bit Jim Hacker/Sir Humphrey Applebee-ish.



H " I agree Prime Minister"

"What Humphrey" says Jim surprised, "Who do you agree with?"

H. "You Prime Minister, I agree with you".


PM "You agree with me?"


H. "I don't know how I can put it any simpler, "Yes Prime Minister, I a-g-r-e-e w-i-t-h you".:Rolling::TakeABow:

[4bee]

Yes I agree. EDIT. I got it wrong. I couldn't understand why the Commander of Submarines would be there on his own. [ ie no team with him] Still don't , but having said that I wasn't a submariner, just have some very good friends who were. We used to discuss our different jobs , etc.

Surprisingly I bet the subject of Stoker's Duties on a Sub never came up.[bigrolf]

[bob10]

Surprisingly I bet the subject of Stoker's Duties on a Sub never came up.[bigrolf]

I read an article written by a Indonesian Submariner about those German submarines. They were even more cramped than the O Boats. He wrote you could not pass in the passageway, it was too narrow. Could be a reason for the Commander[ Subs]not to have a team with him. It's all academic now, of course.

[Fourgearsticks]

That certainly puts a new slant on it, Fgs.
Things can't improve with that crap thinking.[bighmmm]

Not sure if your having a go at me or the "Don't question authority" mentality.

I have seen pilots fly dangerous and un-airworthy aircraft after they were told everything is good. The aircraft were obviously dangerous but the local pilots to a man would not question and flew when they were told. Expat pilots would refuse to fly.
Local pilots were badly trained, were afraid of flying and employed because of their family positions in the company or social status, not because of experience or potential. Because of this the inexperienced pilots were too afraid to question anything they were told. It's the same throughout Indonesian society.

[austastar]

Hi,
I believe it was that attitude that prevented the 2nd officer from expressing concern at the approach speed of an overshoot landing in Asia a while ago.
Cheers

[4bee]

Not sure if your having a go at me or the "Don't question authority" mentality.

I have seen pilots fly dangerous and un-airworthy aircraft after they were told everything is good. The aircraft were obviously dangerous but the local pilots to a man would not question and flew when they were told. Expat pilots would refuse to fly.
Local pilots were badly trained, were afraid of flying and employed because of their family positions in the company or social status, not because of experience or potential. Because of this the inexperienced pilots were too afraid to question anything they were told. It's the same throughout Indonesian society.




Not sure if your having a go at me or the "Don't question authority" mentality.


Oi! The "don't question" mentality of course, as it must be a recipe for disaster generally.

I have too much respect for your known experience to have a pop at you Fgs.:rolleyes:

[4bee]

I read an article written by a Indonesian Submariner about those German submarines. They were even more cramped than the O Boats. He wrote you could not pass in the passageway, it was too narrow. Could be a reason for the Commander[ Subs]not to have a team with him. It's all academic now, of course.

The big German Designers possibly assumed they were mostly little blokes or they could leapfrog their way up/down the passage ways.


Or Price.[bighmmm]

[bob10]

The big German Designers possibly assumed they were mostly little blokes or they could leapfrog their way up/down the passage ways.


Or Price.[bighmmm]

Been doing a bit of searching, and found some interesting stuff [ technical word ] The Indonesian submarine had been upgraded in South Korea, to be able to fire 4 torpedos at once. The torpedo they were firing was the German AEG SUT 264, a wire guided torpedo produced by Atlas Elektronik entering service in 1967. Taiwan purchased the same torpedo, and a war shot SUT fired during a training exercise from a Hai-Lung class submarine in 2003 broke it's control wires and went out of control. Here is the Indonesian Submarine's service history, or some, at least.

KRI Nanggala participated in readiness and training exercises in 2002 & 2015, and participated in an Indian Ocean exercise in 2004, where it sank a decommissioned ship. In 2012 she participated in an exercise with USS OKlahoma City. The Submarine conducted a number of intelligence gathering operations around Indonesia, one in the Indian Ocean in 1992, and East Timor, 1999, tracking the movements of International Force East Timor as it landed in the region. In 2005 the submarine was tasked with scouting, infiltrating, and hunting down strategic targets around Ambalat , after an Indonesian and a Malaysian ship were involved in a collision .

She did a two year refit in South Korea, 2010. The refit replaced much of the most of the upper structure, and upgraded its weaponry, sonar, radar, combat control and propulsion system. After the refit the submarine was capable of firing 4 torpedos at 4 different targets simultaneously and launching Exocet and Harpoon. It's safe diving depth was increased to 257 metres, and top speed increased to 25 knots.

Looking at it's intelligence gathering operations and modernisation, it's safe to assume only the best Captain and crew would be posted to the submarine. And it was arguably one of the best submarines in the S E Asian area. Which makes it even more of a mystery .

[4bee]

Been doing a bit of searching, and found some interesting stuff [ technical word ] The Indonesian submarine had been upgraded in South Korea, to be able to fire 4 torpedos at once. The torpedo they were firing was the German AEG SUT 264, a wire guided torpedo produced by Atlas Elektronik entering service in 1967. Taiwan purchased the same torpedo, and a war shot SUT fired during a training exercise from a Hai-Lung class submarine in 2003 broke it's control wires and went out of control. Here is the Indonesian Submarine's service history, or some, at least.

KRI Nanggala participated in readiness and training exercises in 2002 & 2015, and participated in an Indian Ocean exercise in 2004, where it sank a decommissioned ship. In 2012 she participated in an exercise with USS OKlahoma City. The Submarine conducted a number of intelligence gathering operations around Indonesia, one in the Indian Ocean in 1992, and East Timor, 1999, tracking the movements of International Force East Timor as it landed in the region. In 2005 the submarine was tasked with scouting, infiltrating, and hunting down strategic targets around Ambalat , after an Indonesian and a Malaysian ship were involved in a collision .

She did a two year refit in South Korea, 2010. The refit replaced much of the most of the upper structure, and upgraded its weaponry, sonar, radar, combat control and propulsion system. After the refit the submarine was capable of firing 4 torpedos at 4 different targets simultaneously and launching Exocet and Harpoon. It's safe diving depth was increased to 257 metres, and top speed increased to 25 knots.

Looking at it's intelligence gathering operations and modernisation, it's safe to assume only the best Captain and crew would be posted to the submarine. And it was arguably one of the best submarines in the S E Asian area. Which makes it even more of a mystery .


My immediate reaction to "four at once" comment made me wonder if that is what they were testing & the whole shebang went up together plus the Exocet & Harpoon in sympathy. Remember, she is in 3 sections. Were the 4 tubes in the bow section or were there some elsewhere in it's hull ie.Beam Tubes(it has been done on other boats) but then I have been accused of posting some way out theories recently.

Now someone please tell me it is impossible, if you can?

[bob10]

My immediate reaction to "four at once" comment made me wonder if that is what they were testing & the whole shebang went up together plus the Exocet & Harpoon in sympathy. Remember, she is in 3 sections. Were the 4 tubes in the bow section or were there some elsewhere in it's hull (it has been done on other boats) but then I have been accused of posting some way out theories recently.

Now someone please tell me it is impossible, if you can?

We probably will never know , Des. But the story of USS Scorpion, SSN 589, is chillingly similar. Lost while on the way home from the Med., with 99 souls, in 1968. Scorpion was found by Bob Ballard of Titanic fame. She was mostly intact on the Ocean floor, but in pieces similar to the Indonesian sub. Now I don't know if you remember USS Thresher, which went down during trials. After passing her crush depth, she disintegrated into pieces all over the ocean floor. To investigators looking at Scorpion, this indicated Scorpion had flooded before reaching crush depth. The Scorpion story is here;

USS Scorpion Submarine Disaster - Engineering Channel (engineering-channel.com) (https://engineering-channel.com/uss-scorpion-submarine-disaster/#:~:text=USS%20Scorpion%20Submarine%20Disaster%20U SS%20Scorpion%20%28SSN-589%29%20was,1968%2C%20with%2099%20crewmen%20dying %20in%20the%20incident.)

[Old Farang]

Project AzorianI worked with a former CIA gook that had been an engineer on this project. I lot of the technology developed for this was later used in offshore oil drilling ships. One of the main things to come out of it was the dynamic positioning systems used for deep water operations.

Project Azorian - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian)

Soviet submarine K-129 (1960)

[bob10]

Project Azorian

I worked with a former CIA gook that had been an engineer on this project. I lot of the technology developed for this was later used in offshore oil drilling ships. One of the main things to come out of it was the dynamic positioning systems used for deep water operations.

Project Azorian - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian)

Soviet submarine K-129 (1960)



The cover story for the Glomar Explorer was she was mining iron nodules from the sea floor, from memory. In this video from 2015, John Evans discusses his experience working on the Glomar Explorer. Interesting to note he mentioned the secret taping of foreign shipping engine and propeller noises to create a data bank for USN ships to identify the ships when needed. The RAN O-Boats did some of this for the USN/ CIA.

Hughes Glomar Explorer (CIA Spy Ship) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK9KpGO3ClM)

[4bee]

The cover story for the Glomar Explorer was she was mining iron nodules from the sea floor, from memory. In this video from 2015, John Evans discusses his experience working on the Glomar Explorer. Interesting to note he mentioned the secret taping of foreign shipping engine and propeller noises to create a data bank for USN ships to identify the ships when needed. The RAN O-Boats did some of this for the USN/ CIA.

Hughes Glomar Explorer (CIA Spy Ship) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK9KpGO3ClM)



I knew I had seen this waaaaay back but it does pertain to Australian Subs.




The article i had read then also included info on the Sub being used for SAS/Commnado Training as did a building existing there for indoor training set up as a real life location It indicated it was all very hush hush with a bridge being the only connection with the Mainland. Sounded like a very "M" /Bond type of Training area.

Vic folk may be well aware of this place. Maybe it doesn't exist any more & is now somewhere else? Maybe a figment of my imagination? Naaah wouldn't be that.

HMAS J3 | Royal Australian Navy (https://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-j3)

[bob10]

I knew I had seen this waaaaay back but it does pertain to Australian Subs.




The article i had read then also included info on the Sub being used for SAS/Commnado Training as did a building existing there for indoor training set up as a real life location It indicated it was all very hush hush with a bridge being the only connection with the Mainland. Sounded like a very "M" /Bond type of Training area.

Vic folk may be well aware of this place. Maybe it doesn't exist any more & is now somewhere else? Maybe a figment of my imagination? Naaah wouldn't be that.

HMAS J3 | Royal Australian Navy (https://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-j3)

You may be interested in this;

The O-Boat Mystery Boats – The Naval Officers Club of Australia (https://www.navalofficer.com.au/o-boats1/)

[4bee]

You may be interested in this;

The O-Boat Mystery Boats – The Naval Officers Club of Australia (https://www.navalofficer.com.au/o-boats1/)

Bob that site is blocking me out.

EDIT.
Is ok now for some reason. WTF! What a bloody good read, dips lid & thanks to O Boat Crews.:TakeABow::TakeABow::TakeABow:

[bob10]

A lot of people knock the Collins class, but they among the best now.

Australian Sub defeats US Navy in exercise - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ran+sub+owns+usn+you+tube&refig=b5d2fbbdf5fd43ff92806b6cd13a1c62&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dran%2bsub%2bowns%2busn%2byou%2b tube%26form%3dANNTH1%26refig%3db5d2fbbdf5fd43ff928 06b6cd13a1c62&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=32230CB460BBEB387B5132230CB460BBEB387B51&FORM=WRVORC)

[bob10]

And the story of finding the AE1, our first submarine, lost during WW1, up North.

Finding the men of AE1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5z2Z0JRdM)

[101RRS]

This news article makes interesting reading NoCookies | The Australian (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/cold-war-exploits-of-australias-secret-submarines/news-story/2b5a9a088125b1873777ec8cc60cd79b)

It is backed up with an audio interview with Kim Pitt by the AWM - I did come across it a while back but cannot find it now but it is basically the same as in the news article - covering the meeting with Bob Hawke and other very interesting stuff.

[bob10]

This news article makes interesting reading NoCookies | The Australian (https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/cold-war-exploits-of-australias-secret-submarines/news-story/2b5a9a088125b1873777ec8cc60cd79b)

It is backed up with an audio interview with Kim Pitt by the AWM - I did come across it a while back but cannot find it now but it is basically the same as in the news article - covering the meeting with Bob Hawke and other very interesting stuff.

Yes I think that was the first time it was put into the public domain. Up until that it was only rumours , of course the submariners could not talk about it. It must have been frustrating for my mate, who is a bit of a haveachat, and loves telling a good yarn. Now he can talk about some of it [ I doubt we will ever know it all] we push his buttons by telling him " no mate, can't listen, secret stuff ." Mates can be cruel. :angel:

[bob10]

The Dardenelles was not only about AE1, there were other submarines involved. An Anglo- French Sub. flotilla was formed at Mudros, with the depot ship HINDU KUSH. These were mostly old unsuitable boats without the necessary range, with the British boat, B11 having the underwater endurance and consequently went on to sink the Turkish ship MESSUDIEH , with Captain Holbrook receiving the VC for his efforts. After this 5 British E-Boats were sent to the Dardenelles, with AE1 the first to break into the sea of Marmara and was sunk, with no life lost. The E14 , Captain Boyle , sunk the transport GUL-DJEMAL , and E11 , Capt. Nasmith, sunk the HEIRREDIN BARBAROSSA near Constantinople, both Boyle and Nasmith were awarded the VC.

The Germans sent 5 U-Boats to the Adriatic, plus 8 U-Boats to Constantinople. The U21 sunk Battleship HMS TRIUMPH off Gaba Tepe, on 25 May, two days later U 21 sank HMS MAJESTIC . This resulted in all Battleships being replaced by shallow water monitors off Gallipoli. After the fiasco of Gallipoli, Churchill was made to resign. It's interesting to note the first NZ casualties in the Gallipoli campaign were sailors from the cruiser HMNZS PHILOMEL. A landing party was sent ashore and encountered a force of Turkish troops. 3 Kiwis were KIA, and three WIA, the first New Zealanders killed on Turkish soil.

[Saitch]

The memorial in Rabaul, where Helen and I paid our respects in '18.

[Old Farang]

Indonesia halts deep-sea salvage of sunken submarineIndonesia halts deep-sea salvage of sunken submarine (bangkokpost.com) (https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2125827/indonesia-halts-deep-sea-salvage-of-sunken-submarine)

Indonesia has called off its bid to salvage a military submarine that sank off the coast of Bali, killing all 53 crew aboard, the navy said Wednesday.

The KRI Nanggala 402 disappeared in April while it was scheduled to take part in live torpedo training exercises.

Chinese salvage ships were sent to help with efforts to haul up the vessel.

But Indonesia's military said Wednesday that it was ending the operation after a meeting with Chinese naval counterparts.
In a brief statement, the Indonesian navy said the salvage was "not an easy task" and "very risky", without elaborating.

[bob10]

A short guide to the Australian Collins Class Submarine.

Hypohystericalhistory's guide to the Collins Class Submarine - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLuf_SdU3t8)

[350RRC]

I remember reports of the exercise with the US navy where the Collins was undetected, like a fox in the hen house.

DL

[bob10]

I remember reports of the exercise with the US navy where the Collins was undetected, like a fox in the hen house.

DL

I've posted this before. The reason I post it now is I've forgotten the name of the Captain. He came out from the RN , and was one of their gun skippers, on their nuke boats , from memory. From Rankin he went on to take up the top job in the RAN sub. group. and was responsible for formulating the training of our Skippers, from memory. But this was a long time ago. And my memory is not so good.

Australian Sub defeats US Navy in exercise - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqFVOL7mLd4)

[bob10]

Found him , his OAM citation.;

Captain Stephen John HUSSEY RAN

For meritorious performance of duty in the fields of submarine operations, training and capability development.Captain Hussey contributed significantly to the development of submarine capability through appointments in operational command, training and his involvement in the Collins class upgrade. He shaped complex planning for the introduction into service of the Attack class submarine whilst contributing to the Life of Type Extension for the Collins class submarines, thus ensuring the Nation can rely upon an established, proven and capable submarine force.

[GIL]

Hi Folks,
I have a book titled "Stokers Submarine" by Fred and Elizabeth Brenchley which details the adventures of Australia's 2 E-class submarines in WW1 era.

AE1 was lost off New Guinea.
Stoker was Captain of AE2 which breached the Dardenelles and entered the Sea of Marmara.

After the loss of AE2 all crew members were imprisoned and stayed so til some time after the end of WW1.

A really good read.

GIL

[3toes]

Attended dinner at the United Services Club in Brisbane in I think the late eighties. Too long ago to be sure but sounds about right. While there met an ex naval officer who had served in submarines in RN and perhaps RAN with Oberon’s memory cannot recall exactly. What I do remember as this sounded incredible at the time was that he had been based in the USA and had been responsible for testing and approving all prospective US nuclear submarine commanders. Was setting up a command school to mirror the one used by the RN. He alone had the power to say yes or no not the US

[bob10]

Hi Folks,
I have a book titled "Stokers Submarine" by Fred and Elizabeth Brenchley which details the adventures of Australia's 2 E-class submarines in WW1 era.

AE1 was lost off New Guinea.
Stoker was Captain of AE2 which breached the Dardenelles and entered the Sea of Marmara.

After the loss of AE2 all crew members were imprisoned and stayed so til some time after the end of WW1.

A really good read.

GIL

G'day Gil, yes a good yarn. There were two RN boats that reached the Sea of Marmara, the E14 & E11, with captains Nasmith and Boyle, both awarded the VC. The story of the AE1 is interesting;

Finding the men of AE1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5z2Z0JRdM)