Discovery 3

[Markyy192g]

Hi I am thinking about buying a discovery 3 is there anything I should be looking out for? Thanks for any advice it’s appreciated!

[loanrangie]

Lots,just browse thru the forum.
Main issues are timing /fuel belts and oil pump,transmission service and air suspension components.

[Markyy192g]

Lots,just browse thru the forum.
Main issues are timing /fuel belts and oil pump,transmission service and air suspension components.

thanks mate I’ll look out for this!

[Keegan]

Hi I am thinking about buying a discovery 3 is there anything I should be looking out for? Thanks for any advice it’s appreciated!
They have built in gremlins direct from factory.
leaking oil / fuel cooler on the tdv6 oil leaks in the V it's like a 125mm pool that ends up every where
Then the oil gets into the radiator, great mess.

Cracked dashbords on disco 3 and rr sport.
seems they like to break crank shafts??
?any major work is body off.
replacing intake manifold gaskets is a nightmare.
motor is jammed in hard against firewall, need small hands and lots of fingers.
I own a TD5 and prefer it over any tdv6.
if the tdv6 is running properly it's a pretty gutsy motor.
buy the petrol maybe or a good TD5 or maybe the v8 diesel or the older v8 petrol.

[Pippin]

They have built in gremlins direct from factory.
leaking oil / fuel cooler on the tdv6 oil leaks in the V it's like a 125mm pool that ends up every where
Then the oil gets into the radiator, great mess.

Cracked dashbords on disco 3 and rr sport.
seems they like to break crank shafts??
?any major work is body off.
replacing intake manifold gaskets is a nightmare.
motor is jammed in hard against firewall, need small hands and lots of fingers.
I own a TD5 and prefer it over any tdv6.
if the tdv6 is running properly it's a pretty gutsy motor.
buy the petrol maybe or a good TD5 or maybe the v8 diesel or the older v8 petrol.Do you actually own one? They are a great car when maintained properly.

[shack]

I would never advise anyone to ever buy one, in fact... Don't buy one.

Having said that they are an UNBELIEVABLE vehicle.

The are just impossible to work on, ours has just had its 500 000 km service which included front and rear belts , turbo cross over pipe, HPFP and air springs.

Many people complain or are stressed about the presence of the air suspension and the 27 ECU's on them, none of these bother me at all.

It's the engine bay area, they do go reasonably well, and do have the aforementioned issues, but even that doesn't fuss me, they are just SO hard to work on.

A/C compressor, turbo, cross over pipe, timing belts ( in all reality on a 2.7 they could be done in well under a day) to

Try changing the power steering pump!

But as I said before, they are UNBELIEVABLE.

They are like meth (I imagine)

Once you have given one a go, it's hard to get rid of.

[discorevy]

Once you have given one a go, it's hard to get rid of.

Unless............
You work on them every day and every day after years you still find yourself cursing the designers and bean counters for delivering to the world a great capable comfy vehicle and making it not only a bastard to work on ( unless you pull the body , even then average) That's not including the bobcat you need to get in to clean the crap it drops from wheel arch liners etc but one that requires continuous maintenance.

The final nail in the coffin ( and I've had D3 and RRS )for me anyway, was the sort of travel that I'm doing now ( remote, but in Broome at the moment ), where even I wouldn't want to fix anything major ( although this would have been mitigated somewhat had I owned any of the power plants other than the V6 diesels) .

Still getting daily calls from the 3 workshops near my home that I trust to look after my customers while gone
All managers of these workshops have mentioned that even though my name is mud ( payback for all the years of info seeking [tonguewink]) they think I deserve a break for having to work on these , even though not the main reason. That's to say that regular workshops ( and they have mechanics I can trust ) also do not like to work on them

Well maintained petrol version if you really have to have one ( V8's the pick ) more fuel , less dramas as they age.

If you really really have to have the TDV6 in a D3, (and I can't believe I'm typing this ) the EU3's seemed to have less crank failures ( 05-06 ) but a weak timing belt tensioner housing on the oil pump which should have been rectified by now.

You should be able to pick up something half decent for little outlay at least unless covid tax

good luck

[Pippin]

Unless............
You work on them every day and every day after years you still find yourself cursing the designers and bean counters for delivering to the world a great capable comfy vehicle and making it not only a bastard to work on ( unless you pull the body , even then average) That's not including the bobcat you need to get in to clean the crap it drops from wheel arch liners etc but one that requires continuous maintenance.

The final nail in the coffin ( and I've had D3 and RRS )for me anyway, was the sort of travel that I'm doing now ( remote, but in Broome at the moment ), where even I wouldn't want to fix anything major ( although this would have been mitigated somewhat had I owned any of the power plants other than the V6 diesels) .

Still getting daily calls from the 3 workshops near my home that I trust to look after my customers while gone
All managers of these workshops have mentioned that even though my name is mud ( payback for all the years of info seeking [tonguewink]) they think I deserve a break for having to work on these , even though not the main reason. That's to say that regular workshops ( and they have mechanics I can trust ) also do not like to work on them

Well maintained petrol version if you really have to have one ( V8's the pick ) more fuel , less dramas as they age.

If you really really have to have the TDV6 in a D3, (and I can't believe I'm typing this ) the EU3's seemed to have less crank failures ( 05-06 ) but a weak timing belt tensioner housing on the oil pump which should have been rectified by now.

You should be able to pick up something half decent for little outlay at least unless covid tax

good luck How am I ever going to sell mine (which I don't want to do) with so much negativity on this forum[bawl]

[BradC]

How am I ever going to sell mine (which I don't want to do) with so much negativity on this forum[bawl]

Don't try and sell it to anyone here. Easy!

And I'm with the rest of them. If I knew then what I know now I'd have bought the V8 HSE for the same price as the lesser specced TDV6 and been several $k in front even now (5 years in).

Look, I'm sure there are "oodles" of people who buy them, drive them and never have an issue. I've just never met one. Mine was a nightmare for the first 3 years of my ownership (prior to me buying it, it had already done a crank, both EGRs, a turbo, handbrake module and compressor), and it's been great for the last 2 years (because it has hardly been out of the driveway). I love driving it, but every time I turn the key I play "will it get me home again" roulette.

The one big winner is that even when it's on the side of the road waiting for a flat-bed, it still looks good. I do have a bit of Stockholm syndrome, in that I love it but it keeps me hostage.

[Falcon500]

Man, as a D3 tdv6 owner this thread is really depressing 😕

[discorevy]

How am I ever going to sell mine (which I don't want to do) with so much negativity on this forum[bawl]

Don't mean to be negative about it Nick, only realistic , besides if you're half decent with a spanner ,you have a decent scan tool and your diagnostic skills not too bad , you can keep it on the road for the most part ,2 post hoist (or access to) for the big stuff body off jobs you'll be fine and it wont cost you heaps if you do the work yourself .

Most of the modern vehicles have their fair share of issues, mainly through a combination of planned obsolescence, cut throat contract parts manufacture, and a style over substance design bias.
Ford owned Land Rover era vehicles being a prime example.

My take on these has been the same for years, in that when one car company takes over another, their main interest will always be their primary company , so if the brand they bought ( and sold ) gets their reputation damaged while experimenting with say , a new engine block material (CGI) in for example a V6 diesel without a balance shaft to absorb the natural imbalances compared to a straight 6 and it doesn't quite work out in the early days , then it's no great loss if its just a small fish ( just get the tech knowledge and sell ).

If I were to be a bit more one eyed about it then I'd say that something that was a love child between Ford ( which I have had direct experience with when trying to claim warranty work as an agent ) combined with anything French (Peugeot) and Jag was never destined to be a robust and reliable engine, not so much because any of these companies aren't capable in their own right ,( well ok , maybe the French :-) but quite simply no ones neck would be on the line if it failed.

Edit, just reread this and maybe need a bit longer holiday than I thought[bighmmm]

[shack]

Man, as a D3 tdv6 owner this thread is really depressing [emoji53]Not meant to be a depressing thread, sorry if i helped kick that off.

But also remember I acknowledge they are a fantastic car, my wife loves it, wouldn't have anything else, also remember I said I was doing the FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND KM SERVICE.
Most of these vehicles never let you down badly, ours has never left us stranded.

It's just awkward to work on.

If you want to compare like for like, look at a 200 series, they are not as comfortable, handle poorly in comparison (granted it's only based on the ones I've been in ) about 2 litres per 100km worse, and more expensive to fix.

Check out what KDSS (not on all of them) costs to fix, was over $3k per side and yes it lets go, $7k for steering rack, yes they let go, I believe injectors are a lot cheaper than they were, but they let go far more regularly than the tdv6 ones for sure. They all need the front suspension doing straight from factory, just so they don't look like a wedge of cheese driving down the road.

And there is still lots of motors getting replaced.

The discovery 3 was a ground breaking car, the discovery 4 was just a tweak, and are still 2 of the greatest, possibly THE greatest off-road touring vehicles ever built.

I've got several mates who are all Japanese brand drivers, they have less issues , but guess whose vehicle they are all lining up to drive when it's offered, and the comments I get after they've been driving it.

Cheers
James

[BradC]

my wife loves it, wouldn't have anything else

Whereas after dropping into limp mode for the umpteenth time in peak hour freeway traffic my wife handed me the keys with "Either patch it up and sell it to some other sucker, burn it to the ground or *you* drive the bloody thing". It was her car, it's now mine.

It hadn't cracked 190,000km at that point and we'd had it for about 2 years. I'm still convinced ours was built on a Monday morning after the entire Solihull factory had been out on a Sunday night bender.

[shack]

Whereas after dropping into limp mode for the umpteenth time in peak hour freeway traffic my wife handed me the keys with "Either patch it up and sell it to some other sucker, burn it to the ground or *you* drive the bloody thing". It was her car, it's now mine.

It hadn't cracked 190,000km at that point and we'd had it for about 2 years. I'm still convinced ours was built on a Monday morning after the entire Solihull factory had been out on a Sunday night bender.My wife is immune to the sort of logic that would lead a normal to wanting to ever sell a discovery 3 or 4...I tried, no go.

But Discovery 2 starts funny ONE morning?

"I don't trust it, it's not reliable"


The purchase of a 220 kW D4 would probably be the only way I could sell this one, but then I'd probably keep it anyway to help keep all the other rovers company in their old age..

Because I have a problem.

[DieselLSE]

Because I have a problem.
Don't we all...

[DiscoDB]

Hopefully I won’t jinx myself…..but here goes anyway.

After 28 years of Land Rover ownership from Range Rover Classics, to the D1, D2 and now D3 - I just realised that my current D3 is actually the oldest LR I have owned - even though it still drives like the newest.

Don’t get me wrong - the D2 was brilliant and the last of the relatively easy ones to maintain, but the D3 is a much superior vehicle and rewards you if give it TLC.

If you can find one which has been loved by its owner with a full maintenance history and hopefully low kms then it will be a good one.

Of course if you don’t have mechanical empathy for cars (and the right budget) - then don’t get a Land Rover.

[Arapiles]

The OP posted in April .... he's either happily driving a D3 .... or not.

[DiscoDB]

The OP posted in April .... he's either happily driving a D3 .... or not.

What - you mean I risked jinxing the D3 for nothing….

[emoji33][emoji33][emoji33]

Of course if the OP did get one it must be reliable as never posted any issues here…..

D’oh - I have done it again!

[BradC]

The OP posted in April .... he's either happily driving a D3 .... or not.

So completely missed the necropost <whoosh>...

[shack]

I wouldn't worry about it, I've got a relly that's been looking for a D3 to buy for about 2 years, OP could still be for sure, and if not, it still provided much entertainment..

[Keegan]

Do you actually own one? They are a great car when maintained properly.
I have spent more time under the b onnett up to my arm pits in sharp edges parts you are flat out getting out or in without major surgery.
I own a 2003 td5 with 368,000 on it. Had some problems but all sorted. Has a do chip and goes hard. Capable vehicle on or off the road.
I had a P38 1997 year sorry I sold it, spent more time driving it than under b onnett.
D3 tdv6 is a nightmare.
buy it if u wish, but you have
Been alerted to it

[Pippin]

I have spent more time under the b onnett up to my arm pits in sharp edges parts you are flat out getting out or in without major surgery.
I own a 2003 td5 with 368,000 on it. Had some problems but all sorted. Has a do chip and goes hard. Capable vehicle on or off the road.
I had a P38 1997 year sorry I sold it, spent more time driving it than under b onnett.
D3 tdv6 is a nightmare.
buy it if u wish, but you have
Been alerted to it Hi Keegan, I'm sorry your experience has not been good, I've also had my moments with mine but they so far have not dented my pleasure in owning and driving one. Like you I also have a TD5, my first I took to 550k and was still going well when sold and they are much simpler to work on, but they are very different beasts. Nick

[Tombie]

They have built in gremlins direct from factory.
leaking oil / fuel cooler on the tdv6 oil leaks in the V it's like a 125mm pool that ends up every where
Then the oil gets into the radiator, great mess.

Cracked dashbords on disco 3 and rr sport.
seems they like to break crank shafts??
?any major work is body off.
replacing intake manifold gaskets is a nightmare.
motor is jammed in hard against firewall, need small hands and lots of fingers.
I own a TD5 and prefer it over any tdv6.
if the tdv6 is running properly it's a pretty gutsy motor.
buy the petrol maybe or a good TD5 or maybe the v8 diesel or the older v8 petrol.

Sounds more like you purchased a very poorly looked after vehicle and inherited its previous owners neglect.

[Keegan]

Unless............
You work on them every day and every day after years you still find yourself cursing the designers and bean counters for delivering to the world a great capable comfy vehicle and making it not only a bastard to work on ( unless you pull the body , even then average) That's not including the bobcat you need to get in to clean the crap it drops from wheel arch liners etc but one that requires continuous maintenance.

The final nail in the coffin ( and I've had D3 and RRS )for me anyway, was the sort of travel that I'm doing now ( remote, but in Broome at the moment ), where even I wouldn't want to fix anything major ( although this would have been mitigated somewhat had I owned any of the power plants other than the V6 diesels) .

Still getting daily calls from the 3 workshops near my home that I trust to look after my customers while gone
All managers of these workshops have mentioned that even though my name is mud ( payback for all the years of info seeking [tonguewink]) they think I deserve a break for having to work on these , even though not the main reason. That's to say that regular workshops ( and they have mechanics I can trust ) also do not like to work on them

Well maintained petrol version if you really have to have one ( V8's the pick ) more fuel , less dramas as they age.

If you really really have to have the TDV6 in a D3, (and I can't believe I'm typing this ) the EU3's seemed to have less crank failures ( 05-06 ) but a weak timing belt tensioner housing on the oil pump which should have been rectified by now.

You should be able to pick up something half decent for little outlay at least unless covid tax

good luck
Try removing number 6 injector???

[Keegan]

Unless............<br>
You work on them every day and every day after years you still find yourself cursing the designers and bean counters for delivering to the world a great capable comfy vehicle and making it not only a bastard to work on ( unless you pull the body , even then average) That's not including the bobcat you need to get in to clean the crap it drops from wheel arch liners etc but one that requires continuous maintenance.<br>
<br>
The final nail in the coffin ( and I've had D3 and RRS )for me anyway, was the sort of travel that I'm doing now ( remote, but in Broome at the moment ), where even I wouldn't want to fix anything major ( although this would have been mitigated somewhat had I owned any of the power plants other than the V6 diesels) .<br>
<br>
Still getting daily calls from the 3 workshops near my home that I trust to look after my customers while gone<br>
All managers of these workshops have mentioned that even though my name is mud ( payback for all the years of info seeking <img src="https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/smilies/TongueWink.png" border="0" alt="" title="TongueWink" smilieid="297" class="inlineimg">) they think I deserve a break for having to work on these , even though not the main reason. That's to say that regular workshops ( and they have mechanics I can trust ) also do not like to work on them <br>
<br>
Well maintained petrol version if you really have to have one ( V8's the pick ) more fuel , less dramas as they age. <br>
<br>
If you really really have to have the TDV6 in a D3, (and I can't believe I'm typing this ) the EU3's seemed to have less crank failures ( 05-06 ) but a weak timing belt tensioner housing on the oil pump which should have been rectified by now.<br>
<br>
You should be able to pick up something half decent for little outlay at least unless covid tax<br>
<br>
good luck<br>Try removing number 6 injector???<br>
<br>
can't believe it took 3 companies to develop and built this engine. What were they thinking???

[BradC]

<br>Try removing number 6 injector???<br>
<br>
can't believe it took 3 companies to develop and built this engine. What were they thinking???

What do you mean? Having 3 companies would imply it's "design by committee" and the outcome is exactly as you'd expect. No different to the PRV (Peugeot, Renault, Volvo) 2.7L V6 back in the 80's.

[shack]

Did you ever see that Horse that was designed by a committee ?




It had 2 humps.

[TDV6Robvdw]

Hi I am thinking about buying a discovery 3 is there anything I should be looking out for? Thanks for any advice it’s appreciated!

I’ve owned our D3 for a number of years now. It’s a really comfortable and effortless car to drive. Great on road manners, super comfortable to drive. Hauls heaps of gear and you can really load it up. Seven seats come in handy for birthdays or in-laws.

Having said that I know that when something goes wrong it’s going to hurt the bank account. Regular maintenance and TLC from a home mechanic backed up by the pro’s is a must. My TDV6 has around 300k on the clock and I would love to rebuild my gearbox but I do fear that it puts me further into a potential bottomless pit

[DiscoJeffster]

I’ve owned our D3 for a number of years now. It’s a really comfortable and effortless car to drive. Great on road manners, super comfortable to drive. Hauls heaps of gear and you can really load it up. Seven seats come in handy for birthdays or in-laws.

Having said that I know that when something goes wrong it’s going to hurt the bank account. Regular maintenance and TLC from a home mechanic backed up by the pro’s is a must. My TDV6 has around 300k on the clock and I would love to rebuild my gearbox but I do fear that it puts me further into a potential bottomless pit

Yes. That’s the quandary isn’t it. At what point do you stop and run it until it dies. With a proper gearbox rebuild upwards of $7k, when that’s a large proportion of its market value, it’s a consideration

[DazzaTD5]

Do I even need to make a comment in this thread? [tonguewink]

[shack]

Of course.. If you spend the money and get good quality parts and labour, you are usually best fixing your own.

Didn't they used to say the cheapest car is the one your already own.

[DazzaTD5]

Well as most prolly know I just can't help myself...
Besides I believe my point of view is prolly more balanced than some.

So IMHO...
*Neither the D3 / D4 are difficult to work on with the exception of doing an auto service (pan change) and rear wheel bearings.
*Fuel filter is a bit of a fiddley thing to change.
*Everything else is well within the realms of a half competent repairer.

*Both D3 / D4 suffer typical Land Rover build quality.
*Reliability I covered on another thread somewhere, but is related to build quality.
*A D4 is the newest Land Rover apart from the new Defender I would ever own.

When asked what my favorite vehicle is? I say apart from a Defender (classic?) because I'm a bit of a nut job like the owners, then its a D4. You can have a D3 / D4 (more so) that is at least 10 years old, 300K on the clock and it still drives like a new car and still goes off road like a beast.
When I get asked; so you recommend them? I say No.

What the fan boys miss is as a indy Land Rover repairer I am dealing direct with the owner when I tell them the issue is an engine failure, see how you go the next time a lady owner cries in front of you because they have no idea what to do next.

[101RRS]

Your experiences as a repairer are very valid but you see the worst where the majority of vehicles never see a mech except for planned services.

I my case my RRS is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned and I have been into Landrovers since 1978 and have bought LRs new on two occasions.

My RRS is over 14 years old and I have owned it for 11 of those and covered just under 200,000km. The only time it has been worked on by an indie was to replace the belts and oil pump as I was too lazy to do them myself.

All other work and maintenance has been done by myself, all routine stuff and expected stuff like EGRs, rebuild of the air compressor and changed the gearbox sump and fluids.

Clearly people's experiences are different - some good and some bad but my thoughts is that overwhelming good with people like Daz seeing the others.

Routine maintenance is cheap and easy and more technical stuff like belts etc is really no more expensive than other vehicles so not sure where the view that they are expensive vehicles to maintain comes from. Even with a major failure like an engine are they any more expensive to repair than other makes - I dont believe so.

At 200,000km my LCAs need doing and being lazy I will get an indie to do it - expensive yes but when you take its 14 years of age and 200,000km the cost per km is pretty cheap.

The difference between LR owners and other make owners is that we often feel we have to apologise for ownership and put the brand down - we can complain more about our brand more than Toyota owners can put our brand down.

I certainly do not look at LRs through rose coloured glasses but I just wish owners would stop apologising and get on enjoying their vehicles.

Garry

[Arapiles]

carsales.com.au (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2007-land-rover-discovery-3-hse-auto-4x4/SSE-AD-7392721/?Cr=0)

Owner says that they're original kms.

If I could afford it this it would have been of interest ...

[Keegan]

Hi Keegan, I'm sorry your experience has not been good, I've also had my moments with mine but they so far have not dented my pleasure in owning and driving one. Like you I also have a TD5, my first I took to 550k and was still going well when sold and they are much simpler to work on, but they are very different beasts. Nick
I won't have another tdv6 in this garage. I can't believe it took 3 companies collaboration to build this motor. Just read all the forum in regard to inherent problems

[Keegan]

Sounds more like you purchased a very poorly looked after vehicle and inherited its previous owners neglect.
Its not all neglect rather very poorly designed and built vehicle.
like one quote I read
"LOOKS GOOD parked on the side of the road waiting for the tow truck"

[Keegan]

Sounds more like you purchased a very poorly looked after vehicle and inherited its previous owners neglect.<br>Its not all neglect rather very poorly designed and built vehicle.<br>like one quote I read<br>"LOOKS GOOD parked on the side of the road waiting for the tow truck"<br>
<br>
probably good enjoy driving it, if it didn't need the bonnet up or drive train repairs. Nice car BAD design and construction

[Keegan]

What do you mean? Having 3 companies would imply it's "design by committee" and the outcome is exactly as you'd expect. No different to the PRV (Peugeot, Renault, Volvo) 2.7L V6 back in the 80's.
Ford land rover and that French company.

[DazzaTD5]

Ford land rover and that French company.

Thats not correct.
It was designed by Ford with at the time their joint venture partner, Peugeot, then used by Jaguar Land Rover.


P.S Not a poor design either, its nothing more than poor build quality.

[Keegan]

I believe Citroen had a hand in it as well. If I can get it to run properly I believe the are a nice car to drive, very capable of road but quite a few unreliable bits and pieces. Ill stick with my 203 TD5 with 370,000 on the clock.
Put a new turbo in the td5 and she goes pretty quick.

[Keegan]

[QUOTE=DazzaTD5;3107308]Well as most prolly know I just can't help myself...
Besides I believe my point of view is prolly more balanced than some.

So IMHO...

Get the left bank rear injector out, insert bolts in back of right induction cover, see how long it takes to get the oil cooler out of its oil well, see how much mucking around to get the oil vapor out, replace the dash in a couple of hours ??? its easy for you to say as u quote you are mechanic with hoists.
Really is crazy having to remove the body.
all could have been easier by setting The tdv6 further forward.
all good and well design a assemble in factory
I bet half the workers would not know how to get in a cramped area and remove a part. lets say the rear timing chain?????
Typical of the quality of these days, all about the quick dollar. surely land rover can see what owners are saying.
And probably dont care.

[Tombie]

Setting motor forward increases axle load, changes bonnet length, impacts handling.m

I take it you may never have ventured into racing or chassis/suspension/ handling design

There’s a lot more to it than just “wanting to make it awkward”

Body off design actually shows a great amount of thought in servicing - as they made it very simple and quick to do.

[loanrangie]

Setting motor forward increases axle load, changes bonnet length, impacts handling.m

I take it you may never have ventured into racing or chassis/suspension/ handling design

There’s a lot more to it than just “wanting to make it awkward”

Body off design actually shows a great amount of thought in servicing - as they made it very simple and quick to do.


Agreed, weight balance is one of the attributes that makes the disco such a nice driving/handling vehicle.
Not many nearly 3 ton vehicles you can throw around in the corners like a disco.

[DazzaTD5]

So IMHO...

Get the left bank rear injector out, insert bolts in back of right induction cover, see how long it takes to get the oil cooler out of its oil well, see how much mucking around to get the oil vapor out, replace the dash in a couple of hours ??? its easy for you to say as u quote you are mechanic with hoists.
Really is crazy having to remove the body.
all could have been easier by setting The tdv6 further forward.
all good and well design a assemble in factory
I bet half the workers would not know how to get in a cramped area and remove a part. lets say the rear timing chain?????
Typical of the quality of these days, all about the quick dollar. surely land rover can see what owners are saying.
And probably dont care.

For the sake of the engine gods, pick a job thats actually hard on a D3 / D4.
*Injectors, inlet manifold, oil cooler, crank case venting (the plastic thing at the back) to change injector pump, I dont consider any of these jobs difficult, none of which needs a hoist.
*Perhaps its the amount of times I'm doing these jobs that I dislike, as in back to poor build quality, nothing more, nothing less.

[PerthDisco]

For the sake of the engine gods, pick a job thats actually hard on a D3 / D4.
*Injectors, inlet manifold, oil cooler, crank case venting (the plastic thing at the back) to change injector pump, I dont consider any of these jobs difficult, none of which needs a hoist.
*Perhaps its the amount of times I'm doing these jobs that I dislike, as in back to poor build quality, nothing more, nothing less.

Practice makes perfect

[BradC]

Practice makes perfect

And sometimes consumes inordinate amounts of beer.

[DiscoJeffster]

Having had to slide hammer out a diesel injector, yes, I’m learned on that topic

[PerthDisco]

I enjoyed this very much!! I agree wholeheartedly especially looks and lights [emoji23]

Land Rover LR3 beats LR4 in five points - Discovery 3 vs Discovery 4 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/zDqd6mmz0l8)

Simple is better in the long run.

Point 6 they missed is the stock wheels are 18”.

Point 7 - the lower spec SE of the the D3 is perfect simple and stylish without the bling extras of D4 which is like a RRS. The centre console design cup holders and storage cubbies are more practical in the simple D3 SE version. I’m never jealous in a D4 although appreciate bling sells better than no bling.

Point 8 - unpainted wheel arches, look better and are more appropriate for off road.

The D3 came out looking ready to go off-road which changed in the D4. We’ve been hoping for a return to this ever since.