Disco 4 trolley jack

[CF0491]

Hey guys
Would an 1800 kg trolley jack be suitable to lift both fronts or rears off the deck to set up for stands?
If so what height is suitable ?
Thank you

[Eric SDV6SE]

Can be done, but usually a 1.8 trolley doesnt have the height reach to get the wheels off the ground. I know mine doesnt. Capacity wise no problem. Car weighs 2.8 t total, so lifting the back end will see 1.4t on the jack (assuming 50/50 weight distn.) Rated capacity is 1.8t so still within its limits. Again, assuming jack is in good working order.

Just wanted to clarify, unlikely to be lifting both rear or both front wheels at the same time, so lifting each corner sees about 700kg on the jack.

Do yourself a favour and get the Toolpro 3.0t low profile trolley jack from SCA. Has the reach height and the 2 stage pump cylinders make it quick and easy.

Check out https://www.google.com.au/url'sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/toolpro-toolpro-low-profile-garage-jack-3000kg/563849.html&ved=2ahUKEwicu6v1ocjwAhVjFLcAHQfNCQkQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw3K8h3o-14tCCS_NnhzKUko

Currently around $230bucks, thats good value.

[John_D4]

Went to a tire shop the other day. They put the shop jack under the diff and they weren’t able to get both back wheels off the ground for to the crazy wheel travel. I don’t imagine that a super cheap jack would be better than a workshop grade jack

[DiscoJeffster]

Went to a tire shop the other day. They put the shop jack under the diff and they weren’t able to get both back wheels off the ground for to the crazy wheel travel. I don’t imagine that a super cheap jack would be better than a workshop grade jack

I have the 3 tonne super cheap Jack and it’s brilliant. It gets it off the ground easily and up to an incredible height, so sadly you’re mistaken.

[CF0491]

Great thanks for the tip, that's what i'll get.

Cheers

[DiscoJeffster]

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[John_D4]

I have the 3 tonne super cheap Jack and it’s brilliant. It gets it off the ground easily and up to an incredible height, so sadly you’re mistaken.

I hear what your saying but I physically watched the tyre guy fail to lift my 2013 off the ground. The jack actually topped out before both wheels lifted off the ground. He swore, put the car down and jacked it under the control arms instead

[BradC]

I hear what your saying but I physically watched the tyre guy fail to lift my 2013 off the ground. The jack actually topped out before both wheels lifted off the ground. He swore, put the car down and jacked it under the control arms instead

Another +1. I have the Supercheap jack and it works. You can keep arguing but you now have 2 people that *actually* have one and can both lift their D3/4s off the ground. So I hear what you say, but either your workshop has a jack without enough lift, or there is an "operator error".

[DiscoJeffster]

I hear what your saying but I physically watched the tyre guy fail to lift my 2013 off the ground. The jack actually topped out before both wheels lifted off the ground. He swore, put the car down and jacked it under the control arms instead

Well he didn’t have this Jack clearly [emoji2369][emoji849]

[RobMichelle]

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Ok I’m confused, are these the same jacks?
One has a raised hieght of 505mm other 550 mm according to picture supplied 550, website supplied 505

Rob

[RobMichelle]

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[101RRS]

I hear what your saying but I physically watched the tyre guy fail to lift my 2013 off the ground. The jack actually topped out before both wheels lifted off the ground. He swore, put the car down and jacked it under the control arms instead

Clearly his jack does not lift as high as the SCA one - also I am not sure lifting the rear of the car under the diff is the right way - now I dont know but is that likely to stress the mounting rubbers.

[PerthDisco]

Put a lump of wood between jack and diff for another 50mm.

[BradC]

Ok I’m confused, are these the same jacks?
One has a raised hieght of 505mm other 550 mm according to picture supplied 550, website supplied 505

Rob

Good question.
I have 2 high-lift jacks. My original is a Repco and can lift 495mm. That isn't nearly high enough. I have the SCA which says 550 (on the Jack) and that's sufficient. I suspect the web page is wrong as I don't think 505 would be enough.

I lift in the center of each side (so side at a time) and put stands under the frame at the location marked in the manual.

Edit : Bodsys Brake Bible says "ideally capable of lifting 520mm".

[DiscoJeffster]

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It might be a typo on the website. I guess you’ll have to go in and check one out and see if it’s a typo or a change in jack spec

[XXVDisco]

I have the Supercheap 3t and it most definitely is able to get the wheels fully off the ground. It's a great jack but bloody heavy. Got mine in the Supercheap sale a couple of years ago for $150 iirc

Regards
John

[josh.huber]

I have the 3 tonne super cheap Jack and it’s brilliant. It gets it off the ground easily and up to an incredible height, so sadly you’re mistaken.

I've seen 4 tyre shops locally top out trying to get mine off the ground before i put it under the wishbones. 1 flat refused and put it on the hoist. Lifting from the diff or chassis does require a super human number for lift.

[BradC]

It might be a typo on the website. I guess you’ll have to go in and check one out and see if it’s a typo or a change in jack spec

It'd have to be checked out in-store. I just read the reviews and they indicate a change between when I bought mine and current. Stating "doesn't lift as high and is shorter than the one I bought several years ago".

[Eric SDV6SE]

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Thats the one DJ, awesome reach and so easy.

[Eric SDV6SE]

Good question.
I have 2 high-lift jacks. My original is a Repco and can lift 495mm. That isn't nearly high enough. I have the SCA which says 550 (on the Jack) and that's sufficient. I suspect the web page is wrong as I don't think 505 would be enough.

I lift in the center of each side (so side at a time) and put stands under the frame at the location marked in the manual.

Edit : Bodsys Brake Bible says "ideally capable of lifting 520mm".

Exactly, the toolpro has 550mm total lift height, more than enough. Dont like lumps of wood in between jack and lift points, asking for trouble .

[Eric SDV6SE]

I've seen 4 tyre shops locally top out trying to get mine off the ground before i put it under the wishbones. 1 flat refused and put it on the hoist. Lifting from the diff or chassis does require a super human number for lift.

Hoist #1 - so easy wish i had one.

Can lift from diff, bit of balancing required, not ideal.

Under the wishbones ? I want mine to last a bit longer

Pick up from the chassis rail, at the front at the crossmember and at the rear just before the trailing arm pivot. Axle stands max height placed on chassis rails and all is good.

[PerthDisco]

Exactly, the toolpro has 550mm total lift height, more than enough. Dont like lumps of wood in between jack and lift points, asking for trouble .

I like a bit of pine style wood with a bit of crush to avoid point loads on funny shape things like diffs. I actually think it gives a bit more bite and security. 50mm is an exaggeration only for extra lift onto stands.

Non subframe cars also lifting under the sill on the reinforced point.

[Hawc]

Just been in to SCA to check the jack. Unfortunately, current stock only has 505mm lift.

[josh.huber]

Hoist #1 - so easy wish i had one.

Can lift from diff, bit of balancing required, not ideal.

Under the wishbones ? I want mine to last a bit longer

Pick up from the chassis rail, at the front at the crossmember and at the rear just before the trailing arm pivot. Axle stands max height placed on chassis rails and all is good.

Yeah I stick my trolley Jack somewhere where the strut connects to the wishbone. Straight up

[Eric SDV6SE]

Just been in to SCA to check the jack. Unfortunately, current stock only has 505mm lift.

Saw that today at SCA. The entire trolley is a lot shorter too. Better to check on line for the "proper" 550mm lift toolpro.

Kingchrome do a nice lightweight alloy one same rated capacity and lift height but costs around $600-700 iirc.

[PerthDisco]

Saw that today at SCA. The entire trolley is a lot shorter too. Better to check on line for the "proper" 550mm lift toolpro.

Kingchrome do a nice lightweight alloy one same rated capacity and lift height but costs around $600-700 iirc.

Saw the Kingchrome today. 2850kg and 520mm.

[Hawc]

Saw the Kingchrome today. 2850kg and 520mm.

Just secured one of these. 533mm raise height. 2600kgs. Not as cheap as the SCA one, but on special for 20% off.

https://www.repco.com.au/en/tools-equipment/garage-tools-equipment/jacks/omega-2600kg-low-profile-trolley-jack-21260aa/p/A5530878

[PerthDisco]

Would 1100kg be too small.

610mm lift

Kincrome Australia - GARAGE JACK LOW PROFILE 1100KG - Kincrome Australia Pty Ltd (https://www.kincrome.com.au/1100kg-slp-garage-jack?SearchId=5735910&SearchPos=1&fbclid=PAAaaACCkjk_w6tsebKXPcDlda5QP5Ixl0rBIcegs-0WvValOX-uq-z4T84wc_aem_AUFyKRSm6iL4RQk71vrUQ0nd8OIQ9_OaM9tNia cog1N5Rx44FbszkOwSILt-ZeiMBYEgOXxD2L029EsvscwHVWnfkoN4ee6z8pieSAxuUlSbli GAqygBuAiHDaVM-DXflGM)

[BradC]

Would 1100kg be too small.

610mm lift

Kincrome Australia - GARAGE JACK LOW PROFILE 1100KG - Kincrome Australia Pty Ltd (https://www.kincrome.com.au/1100kg-slp-garage-jack?SearchId=5735910&SearchPos=1&fbclid=PAAaaACCkjk_w6tsebKXPcDlda5QP5Ixl0rBIcegs-0WvValOX-uq-z4T84wc_aem_AUFyKRSm6iL4RQk71vrUQ0nd8OIQ9_OaM9tNia cog1N5Rx44FbszkOwSILt-ZeiMBYEgOXxD2L029EsvscwHVWnfkoN4ee6z8pieSAxuUlSbli GAqygBuAiHDaVM-DXflGM)

Given you are lifting half the car and the car weighs more than 2,200kg, I would have thought it'd be a bit on the light side.

[DiscoJeffster]

Would 1100kg be too small.

610mm lift

Kincrome Australia - GARAGE JACK LOW PROFILE 1100KG - Kincrome Australia Pty Ltd (https://www.kincrome.com.au/1100kg-slp-garage-jack?SearchId=5735910&SearchPos=1&fbclid=PAAaaACCkjk_w6tsebKXPcDlda5QP5Ixl0rBIcegs-0WvValOX-uq-z4T84wc_aem_AUFyKRSm6iL4RQk71vrUQ0nd8OIQ9_OaM9tNia cog1N5Rx44FbszkOwSILt-ZeiMBYEgOXxD2L029EsvscwHVWnfkoN4ee6z8pieSAxuUlSbli GAqygBuAiHDaVM-DXflGM)

As a guide I purchased a 3 tonne low profile jack that has a final height of 550mm for $210. I like to have some available jacking capacity so my jack is not working at its limits each time I use it. It makes the lifting easier and its life longer.

[PerthDisco]

615mm of lift got me excited

[Eric SDV6SE]

Remember 1100kg is its rated capacity. The ultimate capacity (I.e. just before failure) would be around 2.5 times that, or whatever the safety factor is.

I would not be wanting to be utilizing a jack to nea its capacity each time I use it. The lift height is handy though.

I've also got the SCA 3t 550mm one and its perfect for me. Don't know why they changed it to 505mm now, but that one would still be my preference, can always chock up with a decent bit of hardwood to get more height. Has the best capacity and reach at a decent price.

[ScottLS]

Thats the one DJ, awesome reach and so easy.
Unfortunately the ToolPro 3000kg jack height raised is 505mm as per this pic I took today at Supercheap Mentone.
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[DiscoJeffster]

Unfortunately the ToolPro 3000kg jack height raised is 505mm as per this pic I took today at Supercheap Mentone.
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Correct. The new model lost 50mm of height when they updated it. Mine is the older model.

[PerthDisco]

This may well be the solution with up to 660mm of lift and all terrain capable. Expensive in comparison.

Pro Eagle Australia. The Offroad Jack that gets you BACK!!! (https://proeagle.com.au/?fbclid=PAAaY9k0DwJ0QWH5fRmL6DwAnVEbHhJvqL30CM1Txj HbnEnkm726DSeZLgS2g_aem_AR5ptpuspJhAKsRaUVe2D1eR9B vLW7on-GAP1FYCOImluPD7t908VeFMzKoItowpFBgeEPBRkkl1SpId6C_ iHYjDoaGR5JZH38pxy8ihmks9oS2nuUBGN6uUZAPNCfjI5ZU)

[DiscoJeffster]

This may well be the solution with up to 660mm of lift and all terrain capable. Expensive in comparison.

Pro Eagle Australia. The Offroad Jack that gets you BACK!!! (https://proeagle.com.au/?fbclid=PAAaY9k0DwJ0QWH5fRmL6DwAnVEbHhJvqL30CM1Txj HbnEnkm726DSeZLgS2g_aem_AR5ptpuspJhAKsRaUVe2D1eR9B vLW7on-GAP1FYCOImluPD7t908VeFMzKoItowpFBgeEPBRkkl1SpId6C_ iHYjDoaGR5JZH38pxy8ihmks9oS2nuUBGN6uUZAPNCfjI5ZU)

At least the neighbours wouldn’t complain as you drag it around the garage/driveway with those lovely soft wheels [emoji1787]

[Tombie]

WHy the heck are you all worrying so much? Lift under the LCA.

[John_D4]

I’ve been kinda wondering the same thing actually [emoji4]

[BradC]

WHy the heck are you all worrying so much? Lift under the LCA.

I find trying to lift one corner at a time makes it bloody unstable trying to get axle stands under the chassis as it tries to twist and pivots on the opposite wheel. My experience has been lifting it from the center of each side allows you to do a side at a time and it doesn't move around so much and to do that you need a jack with a decent lift.

If you are only lifting a wheel then under the LCA is fine.

[Tombie]

I find trying to lift one corner at a time makes it bloody unstable trying to get axle stands under the chassis as it tries to twist and pivots on the opposite wheel. My experience has been lifting it from the center of each side allows you to do a side at a time and it doesn't move around so much and to do that you need a jack with a decent lift.

If you are only lifting a wheel then under the LCA is fine.

Raise to max suspension height, fit stands, lower vehicle.

I wouldn’t be lifting from the diffs for sure!
Not convinced on the centre of chassis rail either.

What home job requires more lift than the above?

[BradC]

Raise to max suspension height, fit stands, lower vehicle.

I wouldn’t be lifting from the diffs for sure!
Not convinced on the centre of chassis rail either.

What home job requires more lift than the above?

Anything that requires the wheels off the ground or more clearance than you can get at max suspension extension. I always do it for brake / steering work. Makes wheel change easy also.

I'd never lift from the diffs, but the landrover manual shows the jacking points at the center of the chassis side rails and I've always done it that way with no issue.

I have 4 big jack stands, then I place 4 backup stands, plus the wheels under the body. I still get nervous working under it but the extra height makes some stuff quite a bit easier, especially up around the bellhousing and gearbox/transfer case.

At least once a year I'd have all 4 wheels off the ground. Sure, I could probably do it one at a time, but it's so much faster to just lift it up, work and drop it down. No room for a hoist at my place.

[Jpdv]

Just in case people aren't aware, the manual also has 2 jacking points 'front and rear' for a symmetrical lift. The front one is the centre of the cross member at the front of the stock engine undershield. I have a trade tools 2 tonne jack with 'only' 465mm lift. TradeTools | Huge Range, Great Service (https://www.tradetools.com/renegade-industrial-2000kg-trolley-jack-min-height-130mm-rigj2thd2)

Never had any problems getting the wheels off the deck with it. Suspension to offroad height, remove suspension fuse, jack under front or rear central point, lift, insert stands either side. Never had a problem yet, and its a nice strong double cylinder jack... (standard 19 inch wheels...)

[PerthDisco]

I did check manual and only the 4 points are listed as jacking points.

Good to know about the middle ones and glad it was tried by someone else.

[Jpdv]

Here you go: front and rear from the manual:

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(the rear one is a bit of a bugger in that it's quite far 'in' under the vehicle, and it's easy to foul the jack on the spare wheel - take the time to get it right before heaving on the jack handle...)

And here are the asymmetric lhs/rhs points:
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[PerthDisco]

Thanks Disco 3 book doesn’t have that detail.

[BMKal]

Don't know what brand this is or where I got it from - I've had it for years. Lifts to 505mm from the floor. It will easily pick up either end of the Disco (used to pick up my F100 with Chev V8 diesel without any problems), but I only ever lift the D4 one corner at a time under the control arms and install jack stands. No good for taking out bush though. It is a heavy old beast of a thing, and those steel wheels are useless on anything other than a concrete floor.

Unless I need to pull wheels off though, if I want to get underneath it for other reasons I have a pair of heavy duty steel ramps. I raise the suspension to off-road height, drive the end I want to work under up onto the ramps and leave the driver's door open.

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