Guidance on Defender options

[Sweetpea]

Hi, another new member of the forums and looking for some input into some of the options before going further with an order for an MY22 Defender.

I completed a test drive yesterday after requesting the pricing guide and options list. The new MY22 configuration enable me to focus in on the starting point as I don't want a sunroof so SE 110 defender is where the journey begins. Same old question P400 or D300, only drove the P400 always had petrol and apart from a few longer trips we are planning for next year due to COVID I don't do a lot of miles. The normal low km's concerns me with Adblue and the particulates issue. The salesperson said on the D300 they are not seeing these issues, still leaning to the petrol, its uses fuel but for a SUV its gets up and goes when you put your foot down.

The salesperson provided a lot of good information and somethings I was not expecting.

First one was the car is fine without the rear e-diff ($806), from all the hours reading I know it can't be added afterwards. Not 100% certain what the benefit is? Can someone please advise if they have it use it and where? Is it needed? In reality the car will spend 95% on road but I will be looking to hit beaches where you need a 4x4 to access and some inland tracks plus we do intend to explore the top end of WA (Trip for next year).

The advance off-road pack with Terrain Response 2 and config TR is not required $2210 so an expensive addition. Said if I am okay with telling the car I am in sand or on gravel then no need for the auto system. I was told that it does not provide any more off road features apart from allowing me to create a custom mode - not sure I know better than the car and would I use it - probably not after the first trip. I am fine with selecting the 4x4 mode. Can I confirm you can select an off-road mode in high range and do 80km/hr on gravel?

Also said if I want a tower get it fitted with the build $1400 compared to $3000 at the dealer? Is this what other have experienced? Not sure I need a tower, don't plan to get a caravan, my wife has made a few things very clear

MY22 build clear view is now an option - spent the drive using it to see if it worth $1495, found this a weird decision as its one of the key features that all the reviews mentions - got to say it worked well and was usable. Do you use it, would you get it as an option?

Really wanted the green with white roof, but $2k for a white roof, no way - will now be a green car all over.

Wait time was 6-7ms, so order now and get it for xmas................Good news is even with the options I am still under my $120K budget but I am ignoring all the extras after the order which will cost $5k more.

For reference the Dealer in Perth is only doing BTO deals, zero movement on price, trade-in will be agreed now and re-evulated 1m before delivery. I intend to add a clause that if the value drops below a certain level the deal is void. Otherwise I am open to being shafted. He told me that's not what they are about but my wife was unimpressed from a legal view point.

I will get corporate package included and did ask about issues with the car, but sort of see 5 yr warranty as going a long way to making me happy with that side and all the servicing as well sort of helps.

I was surprised how big the car is, and confirmed this morning it will fit in my garage.

Thanks for any help provided, I am sure these questions get asked many times.

Vincent

[zilch]

Hi, another new member of the forums and looking for some input into some of the options before going further with an order for an MY22 Defender.

Had our P400 SE now for 8 months, so food for thought if i may from a "long term owner"

I completed a test drive yesterday after requesting the pricing guide and options list. The new MY22 configuration enable me to focus in on the starting point as I don't want a sunroof so SE 110 defender is where the journey begins. Same old question P400 or D300, only drove the P400 always had petrol and apart from a few longer trips we are planning for next year due to COVID I don't do a lot of miles. The normal low km's concerns me with Adblue and the particulates issue. The salesperson said on the D300 they are not seeing these issues, still leaning to the petrol, its uses fuel but for a SUV its gets up and goes when you put your foot down.

[B]I deliberately chose the SE over the HSE for the exact same reason i did not want the Pano roof, the sunroof on our
MY10.5 RRS has been open about 6 times in 11 years

D300 MHEV has plenty of torque and go from all accounts of owners who have taken delivery, may be worth popping over to
the FB owners groups as there is a lot more information. I think the D250 is the sweet spot if you want 18" wheel/tyre size
choices. I have the P400, it is a great cruiser and provides a good return on long trips, 10.1l/100 KM's between Sydney and
Airlie Beach..

The salesperson provided a lot of good information and somethings I was not expecting.

First one was the car is fine without the rear e-diff ($806), from all the hours reading I know it can't be added afterwards. Not 100% certain what the benefit is? Can someone please advise if they have it use it and where? Is it needed? In reality the car will spend 95% on road but I will be looking to hit beaches where you need a 4x4 to access and some inland tracks plus we do intend to explore the top end of WA (Trip for next year).

At $806 dollars it is a steal and i would option it, it is also partnered with torque vectoring to enhance on road
handling manners as well, it was the first thing i optioned up, as i know there will be just that one time when
off road in a hundred i wished i had it. My previous experience in our RRS with E-diff shows it is far more composed
compared to D3/D4's/RRS's without it when tackling off road terrain, it smooths out the obstacles more so than just
the centre diff, less scrabbling, more poise, it may also help to make the vehicle stand out a bit when you come to sell

The advance off-road pack with Terrain Response 2 and config TR is not required $2210 so an expensive addition. Said if I am okay with telling the car I am in sand or on gravel then no need for the auto system. I was told that it does not provide any more off road features apart from allowing me to create a custom mode - not sure I know better than the car and would I use it - probably not after the first trip. I am fine with selecting the 4x4 mode. Can I confirm you can select an off-road mode in high range and do 80km/hr on gravel?

Also said if I want a tower get it fitted with the build $1400 compared to $3000 at the dealer? Is this what other have experienced? Not sure I need a tower, don't plan to get a caravan, my wife has made a few things very clear

I optioned the tow pack (factory fitted) that automatically included TR2, APTC, Configurable TR etc. Auto comes in
handy if you are a lazy off roader ;)

edited: You can select Off Road "height" in any range, and yes it will retain Off Road 1 height up to 80 KPH, and grass,
gravel snow is available as i remember in High Range, a number of programmes i know insist you select low range ..
so terrain programme specific

MY22 build clear view is now an option - spent the drive using it to see if it worth $1495, found this a weird decision as its one of the key features that all the reviews mentions - got to say it worked well and was usable. Do you use it, would you get it as an option?

Very rarely used the clearview, only only when i have stacked the rear load area to the gills with crap to take to
the dump

Really wanted the green with white roof, but $2k for a white roof, no way - will now be a green car all over.

You can always get the roof wrapped after market, may be a far cheaper option

Wait time was 6-7ms, so order now and get it for xmas................Good news is even with the options I am still under my $120K budget but I am ignoring all the extras after the order which will cost $5k more.

I paid my deposit in September 2019, with a projected delivery of June 2020, that was optimistic, we picked it up literally
12 months after paying the deposit due to all the covid related delays..

For reference the Dealer in Perth is only doing BTO deals, zero movement on price, trade-in will be agreed now and re-evulated 1m before delivery. I intend to add a clause that if the value drops below a certain level the deal is void. Otherwise I am open to being shafted. He told me that's not what they are about but my wife was unimpressed from a legal view point.

I will get corporate package included and did ask about issues with the car, but sort of see 5 yr warranty as going a long way to making me happy with that side and all the servicing as well sort of helps.

Check on your corporate JLR plan whether the agreement stipulates discount against selected models or all new JLR
vehicles, our company one stated "all new JLR vehicles" and JLR Australia honored the 10% discount against the
vehicle and factory fitted options, must be one of the few that got that

I was surprised how big the car is, and confirmed this morning it will fit in my garage.

Thanks for any help provided, I am sure these questions get asked many times.

To finish, after 40 years of driving Landies, and 30 years of owning, i would say the new Defender puts the biggest
smile on my face when i get behind the wheel, it is a beast and a great vehicle, you will not be disappointed


Cheers Jim

171113

[TB]

Hi Vincent. If you're mostly a city person, the petrol engine is going to be happier living with you than the diesel is. You'll dodge some potential wear and tear issues that occur with diesels that only do short trips with a lot of start/stop. A mate of mine who's city based but has done a decent amount of weekend exploring has averaged 12.5L/100km in his P400 over the past six months so it's not outrageously thirsty.

The locking rear differential ("e-diff") is a very significant performance enhancer, especially off-road but also as Zilch mentioned with the torque vectoring system on the bitumen. If you are at all inclined to zoom through the twisty bits, you might be glad to have this. The other consideration is resale: for buyers like me this is not an option, it's a must-have.

TR2 is nice but not essential. It doesn't let you get to more places, it just enables the car to do more for you in service of getting there. Let me say though that on any dirt/gravel road that you could drive a 2WD passenger vehicle, you do not need to engage any special mode with the Defender. It's got a permanent all-wheel-drive system (there are some big changes to the way that is implemented on the new diesel models but the description is still usable) and it's completely at home on Aussie back roads. A different terrain mode is best thought of as the last thing you should reach for, after you've made appropriate choices for suspension height, tyre pressure, transmission mode (normal vs sport vs manual select) and high/low range. This is actually where TR2 has some distinct benefit because you can set it to "Auto" and the vehicle does a damn fine job of managing the throttle response and wheel spin control to match the conditions you're driving in. On sand especially I was blown away by how well "Auto" performs.

Hope it all goes well for you, and maybe you'll share some stories of your Defender travels with us in the future.

[Sweetpea]

Thanks for the feedback

Another question what tyres size are people going for, I am leaning towards the 19" rims as they are the smallest I can fit over the std 20". I am thinking this will provide a better outcome for sand driving.

thanks

[zilch]

Thanks for the feedback

Another question what tyres size are people going for, I am leaning towards the 19" rims as they are the smallest I can fit over the std 20". I am thinking this will provide a better outcome for sand driving.

thanks

i have 19', but the tyre choice is very limited to Goodyear AT Adventures or Duratracs, there is more off road tyre
choice in the 20's. If you are on Facebook, join the "all new defenders owners group", plenty of discussion on there
about tyres etc from across the globe

[saket4love]

P300


Hi, another new member of the forums and looking for some input into some of the options before going further with an order for an MY22 Defender.

I completed a test drive yesterday after requesting the pricing guide and options list. The new MY22 configuration enable me to focus in on the starting point as I don't want a sunroof so SE 110 defender is where the journey begins. Same old question P400 or D300, only drove the P400 always had petrol and apart from a few longer trips we are planning for next year due to COVID I don't do a lot of miles. The normal low km's concerns me with Adblue and the particulates issue. The salesperson said on the D300 they are not seeing these issues, still leaning to the petrol, its uses fuel but for a SUV its gets up and goes when you put your foot down.

The salesperson provided a lot of good information and somethings I was not expecting.

First one was the car is fine without the rear e-diff ($806), from all the hours reading I know it can't be added afterwards. Not 100% certain what the benefit is? Can someone please advise if they have it use it and where? Is it needed? In reality the car will spend 95% on road but I will be looking to hit beaches where you need a 4x4 to access and some inland tracks plus we do intend to explore the top end of WA (Trip for next year).

Im pretty much the same, doing 90% on road but try to do a camping trip every month and planning to explore the top end of WA next year. I opted for a P300 and picked the off-road pack for $1400 as it comes with the e-diff, roof rails and a domestic plug (all to help with some off road adventures hoping to do with the Def). Was limited with what I can do with my Evoque.

The advance off-road pack with Terrain Response 2 and config TR is not required $2210 so an expensive addition. Said if I am okay with telling the car I am in sand or on gravel then no need for the auto system. I was told that it does not provide any more off road features apart from allowing me to create a custom mode - not sure I know better than the car and would I use it - probably not after the first trip. I am fine with selecting the 4x4 mode. Can I confirm you can select an off-road mode in high range and do 80km/hr on gravel?

Also said if I want a tower get it fitted with the build $1400 compared to $3000 at the dealer? Is this what other have experienced? Not sure I need a tower, don't plan to get a caravan, my wife has made a few things very clear

Opted for a tow hitch receiver for $1400 as I'd love to tow and get a caravan. Also from a resale perspective it sounded better to have it done cheaper in the factory.

MY22 build clear view is now an option - spent the drive using it to see if it worth $1495, found this a weird decision as its one of the key features that all the reviews mentions - got to say it worked well and was usable. Do you use it, would you get it as an option?

Added the clear view as I often fill the boot with my wifey's party planning stuff so being able to see thru the camera will help in my case. I read it also helps with the camera views when you're offroading but dont think it adds great value if you're not constantly filling the boot to the roof.

Really wanted the green with white roof, but $2k for a white roof, no way - will now be a green car all over.

Wait time was 6-7ms, so order now and get it for xmas................Good news is even with the options I am still under my $120K budget but I am ignoring all the extras after the order which will cost $5k more. - my initial order was in Jan for a P300 S, then the change in specs meant that the S was canned and I had to go for a standard and add options. I lost leather trims and now have to spend 7k for windsor leather so I'll be going for aftermarket trims. And ordering some accessories to be fitted post delivery. The FB page is great for updates and ideas. So orderd in Jan and ETA is Sep. Hope it arrives on time.

For reference the Dealer in Perth is only doing BTO deals, zero movement on price, trade-in will be agreed now and re-evulated 1m before delivery. I intend to add a clause that if the value drops below a certain level the deal is void. Otherwise I am open to being shafted. He told me that's not what they are about but my wife was unimpressed from a legal view point.

I will get corporate package included and did ask about issues with the car, but sort of see 5 yr warranty as going a long way to making me happy with that side and all the servicing as well sort of helps.

I got the corporate servicing included but with the warranty the dealer said that will depend on whatever is on offer at delivery and not the offer when you placed the order. I'd love to have the 5 yr warranty. The dealer delivery was also included so if they're charging you for it, there's some savings.

I was surprised how big the car is, and confirmed this morning it will fit in my garage. - haven't checked this, hope it fits in my garage.

Thanks for any help provided, I am sure these questions get asked many times.

Vincent

[Sweetpea]

Re the 5yr warranty I read that as a change in policy and not a JLR special like Audi are doing at the moment. As far as I am concerned if I buy the car or place an order now it comes with the 5yr warranty. Will add that into the contract, its going to get a few clauses added, still need to get the wording on the trade-in right, but will go for a min % reduction which could be interesting.

The MY22 build for the SE is different again as roof rails are std and so is leather seats. I not quite sure I see a use for the AU plug as its limited to 180W and the car must be running. Which pushes me to the TOWING pack rather than the OFF-ROAD pack. Never looked at a car with so many options and packs. looking at the two packs and a tow-bar I will pay $400 for Advance tow assist - reading the LR description makes reversing with a trailer easier and I expect that will be needed.

Never looked at the P300 version but its only available as a DEFENDER 110, you are not getting a reduction in fuel economy but saving $22k of the SE P400 price. But as you have stated lose a lot of options.

I think the SE is the right model for me, but it comes at a cost. Might still give the diesel D300 a test drive, but its only 2l/100km fuel saving and I have driven fast cars now for the last 20yrs it hard to go back.

[zilch]

R I not quite sure I see a use for the AU plug as its limited to 180W and the car must be running. Which pushes me to the TOWING pack rather than the OFF-ROAD pack.

I would suggest to add the e-diff rather than the whole off road pack.. improved on road manners and
enhanced off road capability when needed

[Sol]

I would suggest to add the e-diff rather than the whole off road pack.. improved on road manners and
enhanced off road capability when needed

This. I haven't specified any of the 'packs' just gone for the stuff I wanted, such as the e-diff.

[laughto]

Any idea of the price difference between the P400 and D300 (SE)?

Assume also the P400 uses Premium 98 or at a minimum 95?

[Sweetpea]

$7k is the difference. I have settled on the D300. As many have already stated the diesel drives very well and you get a big benefit when doing long distances or towing. Plus the $7k buys me alot of after delivery options

95Ron is min recommended but I was told it will run better on 98RON.

[laughto]

$7k is the difference. I have settled on the D300. As many have already stated the diesel drives very well and you get a big benefit when doing long distances or towing. Plus the $7k buys me alot of after delivery options

95Ron is min recommended but I was told it will run better on 98RON.

Agreed, but I have been convinced to go with the eDiff.

[Sweetpea]

For reference I have now settled on a configuration after lots of reading and helpful input.

Defender 110 SE D300 with 20" wheels (5094), air suspension, active diff, H/C seats, clear sight rear view, 11.4" touch screen, Advance off-road Capability pack and tow hitch. The only luxury item is the H/C seats, have to have some upgrade from my current car and the idea of a cooled seat in 40+deg days just seems nice. Only item I wanted at the start was the white roof with Pangea Green, but $2k for a white roof is not going to happen. Might look at a white wrap at a later date or just be happy with the fact my wife has accepted I want to spend this amount of money on a 4x4.

One final question, the Dealer in Perth has told me that they are not offering any dealer delivery discount with the corporate package. If this something this dealer is doing or a JLR directive. I read the terms of the corporate package and it states a reduction in DD based on model purchased from $1400 to $1900.

I do have the option to ask the Bunbury dealer for a quote but am not expecting any reduction in price as they can't make Defender quick enough to meet demand.

Vincent

[Barraman]

Is there an option to expand the interior?

I got up close and personal with a Defender 110 recently and couldn't believe how small the interior is compared to my D4!

Its a pity that LR didn't just use the D4 body, or at least the profile, and re-badge it as the Defender.

[TB]

For reference I have now settled on a configuration

Bloody nice. If I was ordering new today that's very close to what I'd likely opt for. Will get you just about anywhere in this huge country with enviable comfort and ease.

[TB]

Is there an option to expand the interior?

I got up close and personal with a Defender 110 recently and couldn't believe how small the interior is compared to my D4!

Its a pity that LR didn't just use the D4 body, or at least the profile, and re-badge it as the Defender.

We've paid a huge price in usable space in order for JLR to meet mandatory fuel efficiency and safety regulations. Rectangular prisms are best for loadspace but terrible for aerodynamics and pedestrian impacts. On top of that, the reality that a lot of buyers for this brand are more style-conscious than practical has taken us a little further away from maximum utility.

That said, the spare wheel came out from underneath to give more clearance and make it more practical to use in rough terrain. That necessarily shortened the boot and I for one am totally fine with that particular compromise. And like I've said before: the key to maximising the new Defender is to utilise the roof. It has more than double the load rating of the D4 with 168kg on road.

There's a lot of smoke signals spelling out "130" too. Maybe that'll be more to your liking if/when it shows up.

[JessicaTam]

For reference I have now settled on a configuration after lots of reading and helpful input.

Defender 110 SE D300 with 20" wheels (5094), air suspension, active diff, H/C seats, clear sight rear view, 11.4" touch screen, Advance off-road Capability pack and tow hitch. The only luxury item is the H/C seats, have to have some upgrade from my current car and the idea of a cooled seat in 40+deg days just seems nice. Only item I wanted at the start was the white roof with Pangea Green, but $2k for a white roof is not going to happen. Might look at a white wrap at a later date or just be happy with the fact my wife has accepted I want to spend this amount of money on a 4x4.

One final question, the Dealer in Perth has told me that they are not offering any dealer delivery discount with the corporate package. If this something this dealer is doing or a JLR directive. I read the terms of the corporate package and it states a reduction in DD based on model purchased from $1400 to $1900.

I do have the option to ask the Bunbury dealer for a quote but am not expecting any reduction in price as they can't make Defender quick enough to meet demand.

Vincent
Looks like a great spec. Instead of wrapping the roof in white at some stage, what about ordering a white one and wrapping everything but the roof in pangea green? That would also save a few $$$.

I ordered my Defender earlier this year and was able to get fleet pricing through work (novated lease). Maybe give that a try.

[zilch]

One final question, the Dealer in Perth has told me that they are not offering any dealer delivery discount with the corporate package. If this something this dealer is doing or a JLR directive. I read the terms of the corporate package and it states a reduction in DD based on model purchased from $1400 to $1900.



check the corporate plan to ensure it does not state on Selected models, rather than on all new LR vehicles.
Our corporate plan said on all new Land Rover purchases and i managed to hold JLR to it, got 10% against
the vehicle and factory fit options, reduced delivery costs and the 5 year servicing as standard

[scarry]

Is there an option to expand the interior?

I got up close and personal with a Defender 110 recently and couldn't believe how small the interior is compared to my D4!

Its a pity that LR didn't just use the D4 body, or at least the profile, and re-badge it as the Defender.

We noticed that as well, the rear loadspace is way to small for us touring, particularly after having a D4 for almost 10yrs.
Using a RTT,also means nothing else can go onto the roof.

The 130 cant come quick enough, but I haven't heard much about it lately.

[Sweetpea]

Small update the 11.4” screen upgrade option is now only available on the HSE and X models.

Have also hit a road block as i refuse to sign a contract with my trade-in being valued just before the car is delivered and effectively having no say in the price on the contract apart from the abilty to remove the trade-in or sell it privately. Has everyone faced this same problem? And i the only one that thinks this is an crap position to be in? I will give the regional dealer a go in WA but looks like no defender for me, what i cant understand is the trade-in offered was under the red book price so its not like i wanted top price i felt it was already discounted but not how the car yard sees it.

[JessicaTam]

Small update the 11.4” screen upgrade option is now only available on the HSE and X models.

Have also hit a road block as i refuse to sign a contract with my trade-in being valued just before the car is delivered and effectively having no say in the price on the contract apart from the abilty to remove the trade-in or sell it privately. Has everyone faced this same problem? And i the only one that thinks this is an crap position to be in? I will give the regional dealer a go in WA but looks like no defender for me, what i cant understand is the trade-in offered was under the red book price so its not like i wanted top price i felt it was already discounted but not how the car yard sees it.
We are going a bit OT, but when I sold my (4yo) car privately to prepare for my pending arrival, I got considerably more than the dealer was offering. Have a look on CarSales or the like to get an idea of the value of your current car. People are paying a premium for used cars.

[laughto]

Small update the 11.4” screen upgrade option is now only available on the HSE and X models.

Umm, have just ordered an SE with 11.4" screen.

[discojools]

Umm, have just ordered an SE with 11.4" screen.

I was told that there there are no 11.4s available😕

[laughto]

I was told that there there are no 11.4s available😕

Hope they are telling you porkies, otherwise I have been sold something they cannot provide [bigsad]

[Sweetpea]

Appears a very small window was allowed for 11” screen on SE

[discojools]

Yes got it wrong..Only X Dynamic HSE and V8 now ....confirmed by my dealer today.

[Joe77]

We have just paid a deposit on one.... car looks awesome. Also need to finalise options. Need 7 seats. We have priced up three options - base model P300 with 7 seats, grey wheels, black roof, tow hitch, roof rails, wndsor leather upgrade gives us memory seats with heating and cooling - about 115k. An S model with D250, same price but manual seats. SE, no heating or cooling in the seats, but still elctric memory seats, a few extras like the subwoofer and better lights, got the D300, about 120k.

Anyone know anything about the P300 engine? Seems we can get a lot for less if we go the petrol?

[Sweetpea]

We have just paid a deposit on one.... car looks awesome. Also need to finalise options. Need 7 seats. We have priced up three options - base model P300 with 7 seats, grey wheels, black roof, tow hitch, roof rails, wndsor leather upgrade gives us memory seats with heating and cooling - about 115k. An S model with D250, same price but manual seats. SE, no heating or cooling in the seats, but still elctric memory seats, a few extras like the subwoofer and better lights, got the D300, about 120k.

Anyone know anything about the P300 engine? Seems we can get a lot for less if we go the petrol?

The P300 only comes in what they call a STANDARD spec and uses more fuel than the P400 when looking at the Combined fuel information. It quoted as the Si4 engine and given how JLR work this will be from an existing range. Look to see if its been used in a Discovery Sport or Jag and you might get information that way on any known issues.

To get the upgraded seats in the STANDARD is expensive as it only available as a package $7547 ouch. In the SE the H/C seats in std leather is $1495.

Picking what you want and trying to sort out the right car for you is made very hard with the 100+ options that are offered. I was clear no sunroof and that drops you straight back to the SE or lower that was the easiest decision to cut my choice.

[chuck]

Priced up a D300 SE at the dealers on Friday

With a few options including bull bar, winch and adventure pack north of $136 k

That was with out a few things i would have liked as well i.e. 7 seats

There was no negotiation in that.

Significantly smaller than D5 & less powerful.

If only i could get bullbar and winch combo on D5.

[Sweetpea]

Order placed today for the 110 SE D300 with the options listed above. Sort of weird to go thru a lot of research, options list and test drives for a car I won't see until early next year. Will give me time to save the extra 10K I will probably spent on extra bits to attach to the car. My wife sort of accepted the car and the price but does not yet understand that this is probably just the start.

[zilch]

the post on the video reviews section showing difference in traversing obstacles with the rear locker vs those without confirmed what i have experienced.. well worth the $800 in my books

What difference does the rear locker make offroad on the New Land Rover Defender? - Part 2 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4TMI4QXHNc)

[Tamamontu]

Hi All,

I am also looking at getting a Defender 110 SE, Thanks toSweetpea (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/86685.html), this thread has some excellent information to help new comers like me with the options available on Defender. Took a test drive of Defender P400 SE on last Saturday, the ride was good and comfortable. Defender has got lots of storage space and overall seating area is spacious. The demo model didnt have the settings configured to lower the height when you park the car. Which made it bit difficult to get in and out of the car, we guys are not that tall. Having said that the sales person mentioned that you can configure the height adjustment.

One of the keys things which the sales person mentioned was that LR has started MY23 model configuration now, which has seen a bit of price increase and also has got some options as standard now.
Electronic AIR Suspension is standard, Active/Smart key, Terrain Response, Auto leveling headlights are standard. As per online articles Infotainment display is now standard 11.4 inch with digital center console. Where as the sales person mentioned that they were notified recently about lack of availability of parts which means that we are more likely to get 10inch Infotainment screen and Analog center console with a small screen in the middle. Wait time as off now is around 8-10 months.

Its bit confusing as even the spec sheet which sales person send me mentions about Air suspension as optional. Looks like the spec sheet is not updated for MY23. What is the best way to get accurate information on MY23 models and features like Infotainment and center console.


Cheers

[100inch]

2023 spec sheet is on the LR AUS site PowerPoint Presentation (landrover.com.au) (https://www.landrover.com.au/Images/23MY_Defender%20110_Spec%20Guide_V1_041121_tcm296-927172.pdf) For certain options, the only way to get them at the moment is either X or V8. Unfortunately. m

[Tamamontu]

Hi All,

Just wondering what sort of millage a p400 and d300 is giving on daily usage. Curious to know what to expect.


One more thing given the price difference between d300 and p400. Tempted to consider d300. I have never owned a diesel car before, also majority of the driving will be city with max 50km in total. Delaer advised to go with p400 as diesel needs more kms to kick in DPF and do its job, else expect long term issues and service cost to be higher.

Would love to hear experience from fellow members.

Cherrs

[zilch]

Hi All,

Just wondering what sort of millage a p400 and d300 is giving on daily usage. Curious to know what to expect.



Long journeys our P400 is averaging between 10.1 to 10.6 litres per 100K, around town anything from 12 to 14 depending
on the traffic and application of right foot.

Over 14 months and 25K km's it as averaged 13L per 100K according to the trip, which is reasonably accurate
i am glad to say..

[TB]

To clear out a DPF the exhaust temps need to rise above 600°C for a sustained period of time. This is hard to do in city driving, which is why the general recommendation is to jump on a highway and drive an hour before turning around and heading home, at least every fortnight or so. Ideally make that trip worthwhile for some reason other than maintaining your exhaust system :)

City driving is also the kind of driving that creates more soot to clog the DPF in the first place.

High exhaust temps are one side-effect of very efficient combustion – extracting maximum thermal energy from the fuel. Engines would run like that all the time if it weren't for the fact that those same high temperatures cause nitrogen gas to also burn and create nitrous oxides that are enemies of human health and atmospheric stability. So while clearing the DPF you'll also be chewing through the AdBlue that gets sprayed into the exhaust post-DPF to neutralise those NOx's.

So it's up to you: if you can't see yourself routinely cruising down a fast-moving highway at least a few hours a fortnight, that would be a point in favour of the P400.

[Jase_T]

Hi All,

Just wondering what sort of millage a p400 and d300 is giving on daily usage. Curious to know what to expect.


One more thing given the price difference between d300 and p400. Tempted to consider d300. I have never owned a diesel car before, also majority of the driving will be city with max 50km in total. Delaer advised to go with p400 as diesel needs more kms to kick in DPF and do its job, else expect long term issues and service cost to be higher.

Would love to hear experience from fellow members.

Cherrs

Just did a 3 day proper off-road trip in my D300 SE with rear e-diff.

Have done 8000kms on the car since getting it in Sept and it averages 9.8L per 100km around town, and I do a lot of around town driving so it’s pretty good.

When doing long road trips with the roof rack loaded it averages around 8L.

Off road driving for about 150kms it went up to 11.3L so was very impressed.

The e-diff really takes the challenge out of 4wdriving in comparison to our 2015 90. It basically drives itself off road you don’t have to do anything other than steer.

[scarry]

To clear out a DPF the exhaust temps need to rise above 600°C for a sustained period of time.

The vehicle we have now has two DPF's.
I have an ultraguage fitted which reads the temperature of the EGT,at both DPF's,that is two separate readings.
It will do a burn,if needed, when they are usually above 350 degrees,and during the burn will often increase the readings to a maximum of 450 degrees,on occasions.
I can also watch the DPF level guage on the vehicles instrument panel while driving,and see it doing a burn,as the level guage reduces.

Short trips where it doesnt sustain the temperatures long enough to do a burn woud probably be an issue,but this vehicle also has a burn switch which will enable a manual burn if needed,something LR's dont seem to have.
We have never needed to do a burn manually.It can only be initiated after an orange warning lamp comes up on the dash.

[one_iota]

The vehicle we have now has two DPF's.
I have an ultraguage fitted which reads the temperature of the EGT,at both DPF's,that is two separate readings.
It will do a burn,if needed, when they are usually above 350 degrees,and during the burn will often increase the readings to a maximum of 450 degrees,on occasions.
I can also watch the DPF level guage on the vehicles instrument panel while driving,and see it doing a burn,as the level guage reduces.

Short trips where it doesnt sustain the temperatures long enough to do a burn woud probably be an issue,but this vehicle also has a burn switch which will enable a manual burn if needed,something LR's dont seem to have.
We have never needed to do a burn manually.It can only be initiated after an orange warning lamp comes up on the dash.

Presumably, you now drive a Toyota. What you say is interesting but not really relevant to the topic of "Defender options". So could you please address the posters questions? This forum is for the L633.

[TB]

Presumably, you now drive a Toyota. What you say is interesting but not really relevant to the topic of "Defender options". So could you please address the posters questions? This forum is for the L633.

I thought it was a reasonable reply to my post where I talked about 600 degrees C. Turns out some systems work at lower temps than that, and I'm not specifically aware of what the Defender does. It's not vital to know any of this, but I appreciate having my understanding expanded or even corrected.

[TB]

The vehicle we have now has two DPF's.

Parallel or sequential? Guessing this is the V8.


It will do a burn,if needed, when they are usually above 350 degrees,and during the burn will often increase the readings to a maximum of 450 degrees,on occasions.

Would you see that in stop/start driving, or only on longer stretches?


I can also watch the DPF level guage on the vehicles instrument panel while driving,and see it doing a burn,as the level guage reduces.

That's pretty neat. DPFs have a differential pressure sensor and showing the driver that info is a helpful thing to do.

[one_iota]

With respect TB the reply whilst it is relevant to your post, it is irrelevant to the original topic. The drivers of modern diesel engines need to be aware of the conditions required to operate them and your reply is valuable. Scarry's post adds little to its topic.

[scarry]

With respect TB the reply whilst it is relevant to your post, it is irrelevant to the original topic. The drivers of modern diesel engines need to be aware of the conditions required to operate them and your reply is valuable. Scarry's post adds little to its topic.

If you dont want to read something,just move on.Its not rocket science.

I would say its relavent to anyone that is interested in Diesels,although its slightly off topic,which is common in any thread.

[scarry]

Parallel or sequential? Guessing this is the V8.

Correct,parallel


Would you see that in stop/start driving, or only on longer stretches?

It does happen in stop start traffic,as the EGT's are up there if the engine is hot and working,but i notice it most on longer runs.I doubt it will happen on very short runs,when its not hot,but we dont do many



That's pretty neat. DPFs have a differential pressure sensor and showing the driver that info is a helpful thing to do.

Yes,as is the manual burn if needed




I think time is a factor as well,if the vehicle does short trips and doesnt get the time to do a burn,even though it warms up,there will be issues.Once started,the EGT's come up pretty quickly if its working,but just idling along,they can cool off reasonably quickly.In places with low ambients,such as Europe and colder places in Aus,the issue could be more frequent.In saying that i have seen it burn at idle but i cant remember the temps,but i do remember the smell,its horrid.

[one_iota]

If you dont want to read something,just move on.Its not rocket science.

I would say its relavent to anyone that is interested in Diesels,although its slightly off topic,which is common in any thread.

Scarry what you say is good but it is not relevant to the topic!

It is worthy of a new post in the Technical section!!

The topic is Defender Options in the 663 section. Dual DPF's aren't an option.

As a moderator, my job is to try to keep things on track...its a struggle!

[DiscoJeffster]

With respect TB the reply whilst it is relevant to your post, it is irrelevant to the original topic. The drivers of modern diesel engines need to be aware of the conditions required to operate them and your reply is valuable. Scarry's post adds little to its topic.

I don’t really care one iota (see what I did there)? Oh sorry, I’m not adding any value. Booo.

[one_iota]

I don’t really care one iota (see what I did there)? Oh sorry, I’m not adding any value. Booo.

Surely not! (BTW it's my joke not yours)

What value would you like to add?

[Vern]

I thought it was relevant to TB's post for a good comparison, thanks Scarry for that info, you learn something new every day they say. [emoji106]

[one_iota]

I thought it was relevant to TB's post for a good comparison, thanks Scarry for that info, you learn something new every day they say. [emoji106]

Yes I agree but not relevant to the original topic....Scarry doesn't own a Defender 663!!!

Is staying on topic a challenging concept or is Facebook a better place to be for an off-topic discussion?

[Vern]

So what if he doesn't own one. And when, in the last 15 years i've been here has anything stayed on topic?
Personally i still think his post has some relevance, but hey, i'm not a mod[emoji846]

[one_iota]

So what if he doesn't own one. And when, in the last 15 years i've been here has anything stayed on topic?
Personally i still think his post has some relevance, but hey, i'm not a mod[emoji846]

How is it relevant to "Guidance on Defender Options" Vern?

Things stay on topic when people who know the topic stay on the topic?

By way of edit, the value of this place is it is a repository of knowledge, not an opportunity to express an opinion or demonstrate one's expertise without relevance to the problem to be solved.

Moderation is not required mostly...and I've been here a while.

I could easily disappear but I haven't!

[scarry]

Scarry doesn't own a Defender 663!!!


What relevance does that have to the topic?

None,zilch.....

There are many that comment on New Defender threads that dont own them.

Anyway,thanks to the people that thought my post was interesting and informative.....[bighmmm][biggrin]

[one_iota]

If you bothered to read what I wrote you would agree that I found it interesting just not relevant to the topic...that's all.

Some people come here without your perspective and want to know about the options for the new Defender....that's the topic!!!!!! Not DPFs
If you think DPFs is an important subject for 663 owners (as is Adblue) then raise it as a thread! Don't tack it onto this one!!

It's that simple!

Please do that (and stop picking on the moderators for doing their job.) Because it's not about you it's about AULRO!

[Tamamontu]

To clear out a DPF the exhaust temps need to rise above 600°C for a sustained period of time. This is hard to do in city driving, which is why the general recommendation is to jump on a highway and drive an hour before turning around and heading home, at least every fortnight or so. Ideally make that trip worthwhile for some reason other than maintaining your exhaust system :)

City driving is also the kind of driving that creates more soot to clog the DPF in the first place.

High exhaust temps are one side-effect of very efficient combustion – extracting maximum thermal energy from the fuel. Engines would run like that all the time if it weren't for the fact that those same high temperatures cause nitrogen gas to also burn and create nitrous oxides that are enemies of human health and atmospheric stability. So while clearing the DPF you'll also be chewing through the AdBlue that gets sprayed into the exhaust post-DPF to neutralise those NOx's.

So it's up to you: if you can't see yourself routinely cruising down a fast-moving highway at least a few hours a fortnight, that would be a point in favour of the P400.


Thanks for explaining how DPF works, given our short distance driving petrol seems a more suitable option.

[grey_ghost]

Thanks for explaining how DPF works, given our short distance driving petrol seems a more suitable option.

My last vehicle was diesel - but I went Petrol for my new Defender.

[Tamamontu]

Thanks all for sharing their experiences.

One more question for petrol it's recommended 98 to be used. Recently i have been on a trip to Monkey Mia. I noticed that 98 is not always avaliable if you go for long trips. In that case does the warranty get affected if you use lower grade petrol, and does it create any long term issues on the car.

Any suggestions on negotiating price aswell.

[grey_ghost]

I usually put 98 in mine but it runs fine on 95.

LR will not allow the dealer to discount the car.

However my dealer did discount options & dealer delivery…

[chuck]

Grey Ghost

May i ask what engine you ended up with & the real world fuel economy are you getting?

[grey_ghost]

Grey Ghost

May i ask what engine you ended up with & the real world fuel economy are you getting?

P300. I do a mix of city and highway driving. Getting around 11L/100km.

10,000km in - it might get a little better over time but not by much.

Cheers,
GG

[DiscoJeffster]

P300. I do a mix of city and highway driving. Getting around 11L/100km.

10,000km in - it might get a little better over time but not by much.

Cheers,
GG

11 is what I get at best in my D4 3L diesel so that’s pretty damn good.

[grey_ghost]

11 is what I get at best in my D4 3L diesel so that’s pretty damn good.

221kw, 400nm

The official figure is 10.1 - maybe I have a twitchy right foot. 🤣[emoji6]

[sharmy]

I usually put 98 in mine but it runs fine on 95.

LR will not allow the dealer to discount the car.

However my dealer did discount options & dealer delivery…

I think you will find under Australian consumer laws there is no way LR can order a dealer not to discount. Resellers often use this excuse as an easy way to avoid having to negotiate. LR would be horrified to hear dealers are saying this.

[grey_ghost]

I think you will find that EVERY LR dealer you talk to will say the same.

Have you ever walked into an Apple shop and tried to get a discount…?

[DiscoJeffster]

I think you will find that EVERY LR dealer you talk to will say the same.

Have you ever walked into an Apple shop and tried to get a discount…?

There is a difference. LR dealers are franchises and thus are independent entities. LR sell them a car and the franchisee sells it with a margin. They are welcome to discount into that margin or use whatever manufacturer incentives/volume discounts to encourage sales. LR can only set the RRP.

Apple owns each store and thus can dictate how they operate within themselves and set pricing.

[100inch]

I think you will find under Australian consumer laws there is no way LR can order a dealer not to discount. Resellers often use this excuse as an easy way to avoid having to negotiate. LR would be horrified to hear dealers are saying this.
Pffft.... currently there is no room for discounts with JLR. All negations are on trade-in and other perks like free servicing, discounts on accessories. The actually discount on a P525 was just to make the sum look 'even'....So good luck getting more. m

[grey_ghost]

There is a difference. LR dealers are franchises and thus are independent entities. LR sell them a car and the franchisee sells it with a margin. They are welcome to discount into that margin or use whatever manufacturer incentives/volume discounts to encourage sales. LR can only set the RRP.

Apple owns each store and thus can dictate how they operate within themselves and set pricing.

I realise that but my point still stands. Try getting a discount out of a LR dealer on the car - I would be incredibly surprised if you do.

Four separate LR dealers have all said the same thing to me “we can’t discount the car, but we can discount the accessories/trade-in”

[sharmy]

I agree that you would hard pushed to get a discount from a dealer, a dealer would be an idiot to discount when stocks are so limited, BUT JR cannot force them to sell at RRP. The same goes for those dealers lucky enough to have one in stock. LR can't stop them selling at way way above retail price.

[DiscoJeffster]

I agree that you would hard pushed to get a discount from a dealer, a dealer would be an idiot to discount when stocks are so limited, BUT JR cannot force them to sell at RRP. The same goes for those dealers lucky enough to have one in stock. LR can't stop them selling at way way above retail price.

Exactly. The point you and I both make is that the dealer COULD discount, and LR cannot control that, but there’s absolutely no reason a dealer will when demand is well outstripping supply. If the dealers are colluding to agree not to discount, then that’s price fixing and is illegal, but it’s a hard one to prove, and unlikely to be happening - it’s just supply and demand. Also many of the discounts seen don’t completely come from the dealership’s back pocket but via incentives from the manufacturer and volume sales target discounts, neither of which likely are available at the moment.

[DiscoJeffster]

I realise that but my point still stands. Try getting a discount out of a LR dealer on the car - I would be incredibly surprised if you do.

Four separate LR dealers have all said the same thing to me “we can’t discount the car, but we can discount the accessories/trade-in”

Yes agree. There is no reason to discount at the moment.

[zilch]

I was quite lucky when I purchased as our company’s corporate plan at the time (Telstra)
stated 10% discount on all new JLR purchases including factory fitted option, the dealer
therefore honoured it.

I have since been informed this is now being ignored or there is some other loose words that give JLR
wiggle room to ignore, if buying via a corporate plan I would read the fine detail of the agreement with
JLR to see if they can be held to it

[100inch]

I was quite lucky when I purchased as our company’s corporate plan at the time (Telstra)
stated 10% discount on all new JLR purchases including factory fitted option, the dealer
therefore honoured it.

I have since been informed this is now being ignored or there is some other loose words that give JLR
wiggle room to ignore, if buying via a corporate plan I would read the fine detail of the agreement with
JLR to see if they can be held to it
Ordered and whilst corporate didn't result in any discount I got the free servicing for 5 years. At least something....m

[Sweetpea]

Ordered and whilst corporate didn't result in any discount I got the free servicing for 5 years. At least something....m

same and i tried two dealers, very clear on why it wont apply. Had nothing from the information provided by company to push the issue

[Tamamontu]

Went for a test drive of P400 today. Delaer quoted 10 month approx wait for car to arrive. Build would be of MY23 spec. But less likely to get a interactive driver display and infotainment screen will be 10inch.
Found this one a bit strange as the price has not gone down if speced featured is not avaliable.

Discount wise will be lucky to get some accessory included.

One thing which the sales person mentioned was service intervals of 24months/34k km.

[100inch]

same and i tried two dealers, very clear on why it wont apply. Had nothing from the information provided by company to push the issue
They tighten up the corporate scheme recently. No so long ago, it even worked when your partner qualified. Even had free servicing on a 110 bought in 2010, which I wasn't even aware you could get at that time. m

[zilch]

One thing which the sales person mentioned was service intervals of 24months/34k km.

which I have ignored and gone with 6 monthly oil change and full service every 12 months. I pay for
the additional services as I do not trust the LR recommended interval, especially when you hear of all the
engine failures/issues with the diesel 2 litre engines due to oil dilution.. everyone’s choice, but has we
plan to own the vehicle for many years and it will be touring and towing a fair bit, I plan to stick with
a more regular service schedule

[one_iota]

which I have ignored and gone with 6 monthly oil change and full service every 12 months. I pay for
the additional services as I do not trust the LR recommended interval, especially when you hear of all the
engine failures/issues with the diesel 2 litre engines due to oil dilution.. everyone’s choice, but has we
plan to own the vehicle for many years and it will be touring and towing a fair bit, I plan to stick with
a more regular service schedule

And there is more to a more regular service than changing the oil.....there's an inspection of all the other bits essential for the smooth running of a vehicle that a good service mob will do as a matter of course. Particularly if it is used for its intended purpose and just within its capabilities! [biggrin]

[Tamamontu]

which I have ignored and gone with 6 monthly oil change and full service every 12 months. I pay for
the additional services as I do not trust the LR recommended interval, especially when you hear of all the
engine failures/issues with the diesel 2 litre engines due to oil dilution.. everyone’s choice, but has we
plan to own the vehicle for many years and it will be touring and towing a fair bit, I plan to stick with
a more regular service schedule


Thats good to know as we were told that the oil which is used is very expensive as compared to other cars
Plus the internal parts have some sort of coating which prevents ware and tear. So service every two years as part of service plan.

How much does a yearly service and six monthly oil change cost?

Has anyone experinced any issues so far, reason for asking was lot of online -ve comments on LR service.

One more question how different is the analog/digital driver display as compared to fully digital one. We were told its got similar menu except cannot put full screen map view.

[zilch]

How much does a yearly service and six monthly oil change cost?

The main dealer in Townsville charged $330 for Oil, Oil filter and Air filter change at 6 months.
I managed to wrangle the first annual service free under the corporate plan, deemed an early service,
not sure what they will charge for the second annual, anything from 800-1200 i suspect