Vic Red Plate Scheme [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

DoubleChevron

14th June 2021, 09:28 AM

Maybe they should actually regulate what gets club reg, a bog stock VN dunnydore or 626 shouldn't be eligible.

Not ever, not in a million years should anyone be allowed to dictate the types of cars that should be allowed on the scheme. The generation that grew up in the back seats of vn commodores and 626's should certainly be allowed access. Hows this for a different angle..... Why the hell should old 4wds be allowed on the club scheme ...... :eek2:

No-one should be allowed to ever dictate to others what is considered "worthy".

This will not save money ever ... a lot of 25year old cars are at the lowest possible ever value ..... basically worthless. This won't push them onto full registration, it will just push them into junk and recycle yards faster.

seeya,,
Shane L.

p38arover

14th June 2021, 09:43 AM

When I was growing up 10 year old cars were pretty much rubbish and not worth much. Today a 25 year old car is often better than those 10 year olds.

As an example, as a 20yo, I bought a 12 year old Jaguar. It needed paint and engine work but it it was cheap enough that I could afford it.

AK83

14th June 2021, 09:51 AM

And 25 years ago, who would have thought that a 25 year old POS 173 Holden Belmont would fetch any money ... let alone in the $10+ K region [wink11]

No reason that POS Dunnydores and 626's won't appreciate in such a manner in 25 years too.

If I had a 'fleet' of old bangers myself(which would be nice to have again) ... they'd all be on club reg.

The system needs to be brought into the 21st century if it's such a worry.

It'd be interesting to see the figures as to how many vehicles are currently on Historic plates in Vic, vs how many are fully registered, and how those figures have changed over the years.

101RRS

14th June 2021, 10:44 AM

I saw a standard Mercedes G-Wagen SWB on club plates yesterday ..... right.

So what is the issue? There are plenty of Land Rovers on Club plates as well - all legal unless rego has been illegally obtained.

Grumbles

14th June 2021, 11:44 AM

Not ever, not in a million years should anyone be allowed to dictate the types of cars that should be allowed on the scheme.

This will not save money ever ...it will just push them into junk and recycle yards faster.

I totally agree with you that no-one should be allowed to dictate what is worthy and what isn't.

Pushing old cars off the road is a stated government objective. Is this push really from VicRoads or is it from a government minister pushing an agenda?

Arapiles

14th June 2021, 02:01 PM

I totally agree with you that no-one should be allowed to dictate what is worthy and what isn't.

Pushing old cars off the road is a stated government objective. Is this push really from VicRoads or is it from a government minister pushing an agenda?

The purpose of the club plates is to allow people to register veteran (< 1919) , vintage (1919 - 1931) or classic and historic cars (1930 > ) for road use but to not have to pay full rego for a vehicle that might only occasionally be on the road. It is NOT intended to be a discount rego scheme for old but otherwise valueless cars. But, as with disabled parking permits, there's always an element that does the wrong thing: I regularly see cars that are not veteran, vintage or classics - typically, old Commodores - being driven on club plates.

Arapiles

14th June 2021, 02:06 PM

That will bring them in line with QLD were as far as I know it has always been 30years . You better hope they don't adopt the Qld rules though.

The QLD rules look like what I think the Victorians thought that they were legislating for - actual historic vehicles used at club rallies etc.

Conditions and restrictions | Transport and motoring | Queensland Government (https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/registration/fees/concession/special-interest/restrictions)

101RRS

14th June 2021, 02:11 PM

I regularly see cars that are not veteran, vintage or classics - typically, old Commodores - being driven on club plates.

So they obtained their registration illegally - here in the ACT they will have their plates removed and prosecuted. If the Club has acted inappropriately in approving Historic/Mod registration they will also be sanctioned.

Noting in the ACT Historic registration is a class of registration not a permit system.

grey_ghost

14th June 2021, 03:49 PM

I have 6 vehicles on Club Rego. None of them driven daily, none of them used for commercial use.

By changing the years from 25 to 30 - it wouldn’t change a thing for me.

Well apart from maybe sending the FL1 to the crusher.. Lols

chuck

14th June 2021, 04:25 PM

Some people will see the old commodores as classics & see series land rovers as bombs

As long as the rules are being followed we should not discriminate on who thinks what is a classic.

As an example the old Holdens i used to own are being bought and sold for far higher amounts than the old Landrover i used to own & in some cases more than the current

Landrover i own.

crash

14th June 2021, 05:47 PM

No matter what rules they put in place - someone will break them.
There are many people that use their red plated vehicles as daily drivers and do not fill out their log books the problem is that it is not policed.
There are lots of vehicles on red plates when they should be on modified plates - again it is not policed.
My motorcycle is on red plates and during the summer I do ride it "daily" and fill in my log book each ride, I am yet to reach my first 45day limit in a year.

350RRC

14th June 2021, 06:00 PM

................. I regularly see cars that are not veteran, vintage or classics - typically, old Commodores - being driven on club plates.

The VN commode is a 'classic' i.e. very hard to kill and when they die they end up on their backs in someone's front yard like a dead rhino.

If the Vic Gov is looking at financial losses on the scheme they should get some entity a bit more pragmatic to come up with a solution to the rorting problem, which seems to be more about logbook abuse.

Something like real time GPS, which isn't exxy these days.

DL

DoubleChevron

15th June 2021, 02:35 PM

The purpose of the club plates is to allow people to register veteran (< 1919) , vintage (1919 - 1931) or classic and historic cars (1930 > ) for road use but to not have to pay full rego for a vehicle that might only occasionally be on the road. It is NOT intended to be a discount rego scheme for old but otherwise valueless cars. But, as with disabled parking permits, there's always an element that does the wrong thing: I regularly see cars that are not veteran, vintage or classics - typically, old Commodores - being driven on club plates.

Absolutely fantastic. I hope you wave and give them the thumbs up whenever you see them. I missed seeing the cars on the road that I grew up with. Why shouldn't one of my work collegues old VN commonbore allowed to be on a club permit. Its to old ... to much upkeep... to bloody thirsty to be used as a daily driver. You're basically saying middle aged people with young kids and no money shouldn't be allowed to keep there old toy cars right ? My answer to this is:

https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/images/af_smilies/moon.gif https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/images/af_smilies/moon.gif https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/images/af_smilies/moon.gif

There is no rorting .... you hardly ever see a club permit cars on the road during the winter months. The people in this thread insisting what should be allowed on the permit schemes.... are the exact reason car clubs are dying. No-one wants to deal with the club members that think they hsould be policing everything and everyone.

Let the police do their job .... and people enjoy there cars. If they aren't you cuppa tea...... I really couldn't care less.

seeya,
shane L.

gromit

15th June 2021, 05:16 PM

DoubleChevron

15th June 2021, 06:02 PM

I remember an article in the news when the permit system changed a few years back, there was a step function in the number of vehicles registered (I think I have the article somewhere).
Basically lots of people registered every vehicle they had (even if stripped down/incomplete/undergoing resto) before a roady was required (Club Safety Officer could sign the vehicle off).

I run a Club and VicRoads haven't sent any information out regarding this change so I'll dig around and see what I can find. If it's true I guess anyone with a vehicle 25 to 29 years old on the system already isn't affected, about to put the Defender on 'Club' so that might delay things for a couple of years.

At the local Trash & Treasure at the weekend was a regular trader in a van on Club Plates, not sure that this is legit.
As already suggested, I think a lot of people don't fill in their logbooks, expensive if you're caught as you're driving an unregistered vehicle. My son was stopped in his Corolla and he had his logbook filled in (I've threatened that if he gets caught out he gets his membership cancelled !) but nobody else in the Club has ever been stopped.

Colin

I don't really buy this at all. There is countless cars on club permits these day..... So why do I hardly ever see one through winter? .... Sure, I have no doubts there is occoasional person that take advanatage of the scheme. Who knows, they may have even found a set of club plates that don't even belong to there car to use. Don't let it worry you .... its the polices job to worry about these people. Enjoy you car, enjoy seeing other poeples car around and get on with life :) .... I spotted a 120Y last year on club plugs and thought "you bloody rippa ... haven't seen one of those things on the road in years".

seeya,
shane L.

Arapiles

15th June 2021, 07:19 PM

Why shouldn't one of my work collegues old VN commonbore allowed to be on a club permit.

Because there's nothing special about it.

Like I said, it's not a cut-price rego scheme for old cars, it's supposed to be for cars that belong to collectors.

Tote

15th June 2021, 08:09 PM

Because there's nothing special about it.

Like I said, it's not a cut-price rego scheme for old cars, it's supposed to be for cars that belong to collectors.

"Victoria’s club permit scheme allows members of vehicle clubs that are recognised by VicRoads to make limited non-commercial use of eligible historic vehicles on the road network."

I'm sorry, what part of that states that the car has to be in some way "special". Provided the club that you join supports your membership and follows the rules then why shouldn't you be able to register your vehicle, regardless of what it is. Pretending that a MG is in some way better than a Holden is a a boat load of elitist crap, that's why people leave car clubs, because they are sick of other members trying to tell them what to do.

NSW has a similar system and it has visibly increased the number of old and interesting cars of all descriptions on the roads which is a great thing.

Regards,
Tote

Arapiles

15th June 2021, 08:19 PM

"Victoria’s club permit scheme allows members of vehicle clubs that are recognised by VicRoads to make limited non-commercial use of eligible historic vehicles on the road network."

I'm sorry, what part of that states that the car has to be in some way "special". Provided the club that you join supports your membership and follows the rules then why shouldn't you be able to register your vehicle, regardless of what it is. Pretending that a MG is in some way better than a Holden is a a boat load of elitist crap, that's why people leave car clubs, because they are sick of other members trying to tell them what to do

Regards,
Tote

Elitism doesn't come into it at all - it's the difference between a flogged-out and uncared for Commodore that's next trip is to the crusher vs a cared-for VC SL/E or one of the Country pack models, or for that matter the old Hillmans I used to have.

gromit

15th June 2021, 09:04 PM

I don't really buy this at all. There is countless cars on club permits these day..... So why do I hardly ever see one through winter? .... Sure, I have no doubts there is occoasional person that take advanatage of the scheme. Who knows, they may have even found a set of club plates that don't even belong to there car to use. Don't let it worry you .... its the polices job to worry about these people. Enjoy you car, enjoy seeing other poeples car around and get on with life :) .... I spotted a 120Y last year on club plugs and thought "you bloody rippa ... haven't seen one of those things on the road in years".

Not quite sure what you "don't buy".
Lots of additional vehicles were put onto the permit system before the change, most are not assembled/running so you wouldn't see them on the road, summer or winter.

Elitism doesn't come into it at all - it's the difference between a flogged-out and uncared for Commodore that's next trip is to the crusher vs a cared-for VC SL/E or one of the Country pack models, or for that matter the old Hillmans I used to have.

I run a tatty Series III shorty that looks like it's just been dragged from a hedge......
If it's a clapped out Commodore they may just be a Commodore fan (they do exist I believe) so you can't judge purely on what the vehicle looks like.
I realise that some people see it as a way of having discount rego, they aren't interested in whether it's a classic or not. If they rort the system, which isn't well policed, then if/when they get caught for not filling in their logbook the fine is over $700 plus they cause the Club involved to potentially be investigated which may cause them more problems.

Colin

Homestar

15th June 2021, 10:03 PM

Until 5 years time when they decide to make it 50 years.[emoji17][emoji17]

They’ll be over 50 in 5 years time.

d2dave

15th June 2021, 11:48 PM

I run a Club and VicRoads haven't sent any information out regarding this change so I'll dig around and see what I can find. If it's true I guess anyone with a vehicle 25 to 29 years old on the system already isn't affected, about to put the Defender on 'Club' so that might delay things for a couple of years.

Colin

3AW's Neil Mitchel announced it on his show last Friday.

gromit

16th June 2021, 05:54 AM

Just found this VicRoads Club Permit Scheme : Hi All, Some of you may be aware of some proposed changes coming to CPS. Details as circulated by the Association of Motoring Clubs (AOMC) below: **From: **"Association of Motoring Clubs (AOMC)" <secretary@aomc.asn.au> * (https://www.facebook.com/groups/VicRoads.Club.Permit.Scheme/permalink/2108832952574666/)

Seems like a lot of changes were proposed last year but held back due to Covid.

Things like an inspection at VicRoads before getting a permit might tighten things up.
Plates have been free but there will now be a charge.
New offence - if your logbook is not completed there is a fine but you're not charged with driving an unregistered vehicle (this makes it less risk for those rorting the system surely ?).

Only quickly read the details but nothing about change to 30 years for eligability.

Now need to track down an updated version, I'll speak to a mate in an AOMC affiliated Club.

Colin

DoubleChevron

16th June 2021, 09:06 AM

Because there's nothing special about it.

Like I said, it's not a cut-price rego scheme for old cars, it's supposed to be for cars that belong to collectors.

And this is the exact reason I can't stand a lot of club people. So because YOU don't care about them.... They aren't collectable ..... I can assure you, a VN v8 5pd (like my work colleague has) is far more collectable than nearly any pre-1930's car and most likely far more sought after.

The trouble with the pre-50's cars these days ..... is the people that grew up in the back seats of them are dying off. The next generation isn't anywhere near as interested. They want to cars they grew up in the back seat of and have memories of. Have you seen what old HQ holdens sell for these days?

This is the EXACT attitude that has absolutely no place in any classic car scheme or car club.

DoubleChevron

16th June 2021, 09:16 AM

Elitism doesn't come into it at all - it's the difference between a flogged-out and uncared for Commodore that's next trip is to the crusher vs a cared-for VC SL/E or one of the Country pack models, or for that matter the old Hillmans I used to have.

Talk about elitism..... Here's a graphic description of it right here. And if its my grandfather old battered 4cylinder missfire VB commodore that means a lot to ME (I really couldn't care less what YOU think) ... then I'm considered not worthy of keeping the car in your eyes? because it's not pretty and perfect ? (it wouldn't have been pretty and perfect when I was driven around in the back seat of it either).

Do you know what my favorite car is ??

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17265&stc=1&d=1308465179

there is different colour panels.... I pulled the roof off about 5years ago to do the roof lining .... and liked it like that so haven't bothered to put it back on .... Most of the panels have heavily perished original paint. I have no intension of ever painting it ... the door trims are held on with self tapping screws, most of the body rubbers are hard like glass.....

Its absolutely exactly what I want.... Do know how little I care what someone like you thinks. Yes I know, I don't deserve a club permit because its not a 1000point restoration. [bighmmm]

You just don't get it. What YOU think is worthy is so absolutely irrelevant, no-one should ever bother even listening.

And everyone wonders why all the car clubs are dying. I sure don't.

seeya
Shane L.

DoubleChevron

16th June 2021, 09:28 AM

Not quite sure what you "don't buy".
Lots of additional vehicles were put onto the permit system before the change, most are not assembled/running so you wouldn't see them on the road, summer or winter.

I run a tatty Series III shorty that looks like it's just been dragged from a hedge......
If it's a clapped out Commodore they may just be a Commodore fan (they do exist I believe) so you can't judge purely on what the vehicle looks like.
I realise that some people see it as a way of having discount rego, they aren't interested in whether it's a classic or not. If they rort the system, which isn't well policed, then if/when they get caught for not filling in their logbook the fine is over $700 plus they cause the Club involved to potentially be investigated which may cause them more problems.

Colin

OK .... So now, you are worried about cars that don't even drive ??? Who cares...... ?? 99.99% of old "restoration" cases will NEVER get finished and onto the roads. If you don't believe me, just think of every single car person you have ever met. How many projects do they have again? So you saying there is crazy people out there donating $80 a year to vicroads for no reason ?

I have a club permit car here that hasn't been driven in probably 20years. still registered .... Does that mean its dangerous and shouldn't be on the roads ? (its taken me about 7years to rebuild its gearbox). It been on about 4 different club permits over the last 20years. We consolidated our cars to our own small local car club about a decade ago. Come to think of it, the car has only probably done a handful of laps of the street I live in in the last 10years. Is this also what you would consider "NOT ALLOWED" because 'I've had it in pieces for so long ?

I really don't understand this "EVERYONE MUST DO WHAT I THINK THEY SHOULD DO" attitude.

Its the polices job to police.... If somoene has a dangerous car on a club permit ... it is the polices job to put that car off the road and charge the drivers. NOT YOURS.

seeya,
shane L.

Homestar

16th June 2021, 09:37 AM

I agree 100% you can't start imposing your own ideals of what is worthy and what isn't on a scheme like this - it doesn't matter how crappy a car looks - it could be an old beaten up VB dunny door - or a beaten up old Land Rover - why would there be any difference in who should be able to get club reg because of what one person thinks is 'more classic' - both may mean the world to the owners.

A more sensible approach would be tighter scrutiny of those vehicles that are on club reg to stop the rorting of the system - which no genuine member of the scheme wants to see - this is what is wrecking it for the vast majority who comply with all the regs, fill our log books out every time, keep the vehicles in good mechanical condition, etc.

Dictating who can use the scheme based on vehicle type or even external condition (needs to be road worthy) is NOT the way forward.

DoubleChevron

16th June 2021, 09:58 AM

<<snip>> ... removed the quote as it looks like I'm "yelling" at specific members! <<snip>>

This assumes there is people rorting the scheme. I'm sure its possible, but I've never seen it. Why is everyone so concerned about something that is likely not happening. I remember this carry on about 10years ago with people raving and ranting they'd seem a club permit car driving around ... and they didn't think it should have been. HOW DARE ANYONE DRIVE THEIR CAR AROUND WITHOUT MY PERSONAL PERMISSION !!!! ..... It was amazing to see.

I don't understand why everyone thinks it is THEM that should be policing everyone else. The police did eventually pull the car over .... it was an unregistered car wearing a set of club plates they'd found/stolen. All that ranting and raving by club members insisting someone is doing something I THINK IS WRONG ..... :soapbox::soapbox::soapbox::soapbox:

And it was nothing to do with any club member or car club.

This is all so easy. It is the polices job to police. Club members ... just worry about yourself and make sure YOU are doing right. Don't worry about anyone else. Remember.... Its the polices job to police .... NOT YOURS.

I decided to give the car clubs the middle finger about 15years ago. Two days in a row I'd rushed home to grab the club permit car in my lunch hour. I'd driven it to an exhaust place one day .... then pirtek another day.

I had my father ring me two days later saying he'd been contacted by people at his work. They were going to "dob me in" and the car club I was a member of as I had been seen driving my car around town at lunchtime two days in a row. I **** you not, someone recognised me and contacted my father when he was at work to tell him they were contacting vicroads and the clubs about me.

You an imagine how blunt my response was. It is NOT YOUR JOB to try and police others. If the police had pulled me over, I would have said "its booked in to have exhaust work dont on it" .... they'd have said "no worries mate, off you go".

The best thing that ever happened was this logbook scheme. It took all the power out of the hands of the club people that thought is was their job to try and police and control everyone. The best thing we ever did was start our own car club and be done with the type of person that wanted "control" over poeple

seeya
Shane L.

gromit

16th June 2021, 10:38 AM

OK .... So now, you are worried about cars that don't even drive ??? Who cares...... ?? 99.99% of old "restoration" cases will NEVER get finished and onto the roads. If you don't believe me, just think of every single car person you have ever met. How many projects do they have again? So you saying there is crazy people out there donating $80 a year to vicroads for no reason ?

I have a club permit car here that hasn't been driven in probably 20years. still registered .... Does that mean its dangerous and shouldn't be on the roads ? (its taken me about 7years to rebuild its gearbox). It been on about 4 different club permits over the last 20years. We consolidated our cars to our own small local car club about a decade ago. Come to think of it, the car has only probably done a handful of laps of the street I live in in the last 10years. Is this also what you would consider "NOT ALLOWED" because 'I've had it in pieces for so long ?

I really don't understand this "EVERYONE MUST DO WHAT I THINK THEY SHOULD DO" attitude.

Its the polices job to police.... If somoene has a dangerous car on a club permit ... it is the polices job to put that car off the road and charge the drivers. NOT YOURS.

seeya,
shane L.

WTF ?
I'm not worried about cars that don't get driven, not sure how you read that into my post ?

Colin

DoubleChevron

16th June 2021, 10:40 AM

WTF ?
I'm not worried about cars that don't get driven, not sure how you read that into my post ?

Colin

I probably quoted the wrong post [bigrolf] [bighmmm]

Grumbles

16th June 2021, 11:36 AM

Just to pull this thread back to where it started.....

Quite right.

gromit

16th June 2021, 11:53 AM

Homestar

16th June 2021, 01:41 PM

DoubleChevron

16th June 2021, 01:43 PM

Just to pull this thread back to where it started....

Spoke with a mate in an AOMC affiliated Club and he is checking regarding the proposed changes.
He's heard of the change to 30 years for eligability but has seen nothing in writing.

Colin

I think there is some quite decent people running this scheme. This will take 5years for them to get through. Then we are talking cars from 2000 not being eligible ... but cars from 1995 still being allowed.

The more cars I see on the road ... the more I'm blown away by the incredible success of the club permit scheme. Come spring, cars of every type and description appear everywhere. I had no idea we had so many classic cars hidden in sheds all over australia... old pommy cars, old american cars .... the occasional frenchie... just amazing.

I'm keen to see how it works out. In my head I'm thinking cars build after about '95 become almost impossible to keep on the roads as they age. So much fragile plastic that can get broken. major parts under the bonnet are even plastic. How will we go buying a new plastic rocker cover for a 2003 hi-undi in 5years time for example.

I really do think .... everything will eventually settle down to the pre-mid 90's as the realistic cuttoff simply due to parts availability and build quality of modern cars. Have you ever tried to pull the dash out of a modern car for example ?

Its it just me and my age .... or is the 70's -> mid 80's the golden era where cars were quite good drivers .... but also simple enough to work on without complex electronics.

Eevo

16th June 2021, 01:59 PM

Its the polices job to police .... NOT YOURS.
but then what will people do with their lives? and to take it too far, if you saw a murder, would you not report it because its not your job? back to cars.

gromit

16th June 2021, 03:15 PM

Yeah - just heard back from our Club on this - nothing in writing from Vicroads regarding any changes in the pipeline - last time there were changes, they were well publicised to the clubs a long time in advance. Looks like it's all Chinese whispers at the moment - could well be on the cards, but not any time in the near future.

Maybe if you have a car that's 25 to 28 years old you've been thinking about putting on club reg, now would be a good time. :)

If you were waiting for a vehicle to tick over to 25 years, cross your fingers things don't change before that happens.

Or to be safe, just buy older vehicles that will be eligible either way. [thumbsupbig]

I recon the age change has been 'added in' somewhere along the Chinese whispers......

If you read the article in the link I posted earlier (assuming it's legit !) there is no mention of a change. Lots of minor changes, all OK and keeping in the right direction except....the change to the fine for not having the logbook filled in.
I'll accept that it's possible to forget, I've driven down the road, remembered and pulled over to fill it out.

Reducing it from $900 to $165 might encourage people to not complete their logbooks if they are running an older vehicle just to get cheap rego. I guess multiple offences will result in a bigger fine and the Club involved will be under scrutiny.

I'm 'on the road' like yourself for several hours per day and regularly see Club Plated vehicles that are clearly being used for 'work' or should be on 'Modified ' not Club plates.

I must get the Defender through a roady and get it onto Club Plates ! Problem is I have to remove the storage system and reinstate the rear seats as it's registered as a 9-seater.

Colin

101RRS

16th June 2021, 03:39 PM

He's heard of the change to 30 years for eligability but has seen nothing in writing.

Colin

If this does come in it will just bring Vic back into line with just about all other jurisdictions in Aust which have a 30 year limit. I am not totally sure but I think Vic is the only one that has a 25 year limit.

350RRC

16th June 2021, 06:08 PM

....the change to the fine for not having the logbook filled in.
I'll accept that it's possible to forget, I've driven down the road, remembered and pulled over to fill it out.

Reducing it from $900 to $165 might encourage people to not complete their logbooks if they are running an older vehicle just to get cheap rego. I guess multiple offences will result in a bigger fine and the Club involved will be under scrutiny.

I'm 'on the road' like yourself for several hours per day and regularly see Club Plated vehicles that are clearly being used for 'work' or should be on 'Modified ' not Club plates.
Colin

First offence maybe $165, second offence full rego fee equivalent, third offence............

I'm contrasting this with what happened to a mate of mine who grew and sold hydro tomatoes.

He's in a 2yo van driving down the coast doing deliveries, gets pulled over coz plate rec says unreg.

Had payed on computer, had receipt number. Not paid for his vehicle, unreg. Put the wrong code in.

Got fined $900 for unreg vehicle, had to sit there for a long time getting emergency reg and there were other costs.

These days in Vic you get notified if your reg hasn't been paid by the due date.

DL

Eevo

16th June 2021, 06:16 PM

350RRC

16th June 2021, 06:28 PM

i got pulled over for no rego once. was a funny convo.

cop: sir, your car is out of rego
me: but the rego doesnt run out til Wednesday!
cop: sir... todays Thursday.
me: oh

she let me rego it on my phone while she waited. no fine.

I've had a few pleasant roadside conversations over 40 years that could have gone 'wrong' because I fitted that description of why I was stopped.

Politeness, respect etc can go a long way and everyone's happy and no one has died and none were to do with reg. [bigrolf]

DL

DeeJay

16th June 2021, 08:18 PM

Eevo

17th June 2021, 12:12 AM

I've had a few pleasant roadside conversations over 40 years that could have gone 'wrong' because I fitted that description of why I was stopped.

Politeness, respect etc can go a long way and everyone's happy and no one has died and none were to do with reg. [bigrolf]

DL

my other pleasant roadside conversations with a cop was when I was pulled over towing my 155mm howitzer on the way to the Tchaikovsky music festival. he didn't believe i was a musician and it was my instrument but he let me off with a stern warning not to invade Russia during the winter.

RANDLOVER

17th June 2021, 06:48 AM

I saw a standard Mercedes G-Wagen SWB on club plates yesterday ..... right.

I've seen plenty of cars that are obviously daily drivers being driven on club plates, it's a scam that's overdue for a tighten up.

The G-Wagen has been around a long time. I also think being a "shorty" increases the likelihood of it being an older model.

Mercedes-Benz G-Class - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class)

The G-class was developed as a military vehicle from a suggestion by the Shah of Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi) (at the time a significant Mercedes shareholder) to Mercedes[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class#cite_note-6) and was offered as a civilian version in 1979. In this role it is sometimes referred to as the "Wolf". The Peugeot P4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_P4) was a variant made under licence in France with a Peugeot engine. The first military in the world to use it was the Argentine Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Army) (Ejército Argentino) beginning in 1981 with the military model 461.

1950landy

17th June 2021, 07:42 AM

I just hope I can go on club plates for my '99 Defender in a few years time. It & my '77 SWB hardly get used & I could get away with a 45 day rego for both. A few years ago I used to drive past a Mini on club plates outside a panel beater. It was there every day for 3 months solid & for the few times I drove past for the next year ( I think he moved on) if I were a copper, it wouldn't have been too hard to wander in and request a look at his logbook, as it was a main road & hardly discreet & yes I have been pulled over for log book check- but it soon became obvious the copper fancied the Landie I had at the time.[smilebigeye]

I got pulled over for a breath check at 6am just out side of Warwick towing my 80" to Stanthorpe for the Rover Car Club National Rally . After blowing "0" they held me up for another 15min's asking me about Landy.[biggrin]
Another time I took Landy to Bundaberg on the back of the Hino , with same club, trip up was fine with only one stop at Maryborough , coming home wife wanted to stop coffee ect every couple of hours . when we came back to truck there would be people standing around Landy , then wanting to know all about her. Added around 2hr"s to trip home.[smilebigeye]

goingbush

17th June 2021, 01:56 PM

Homestar

17th June 2021, 02:25 PM

I understand re club politics but there are some out there that have none of that. Our club is great - you can do as much or as little as you want, turn up to meetings or club runs. or not - no minimum requirements for this like other clubs have. $20 a year and no BS. [emoji4][emoji106]

DoubleChevron

17th June 2021, 03:32 PM

I have 2 classic vehicles currently on full rego 1949, and 1973, and another 1952 to go on in a few months . I'm not in a club because I cant deal with politics and bull**** , ... hmmm .. much like being on AULRO .

The 48 year old EV Landy is a daily driver so no option there. jeezus is it that old ?

The 49 Ute hardly gets driven but I keep full rego to keep the 1949 original registration number alive , If I could get club rego and keep the plates I'd join a club just for that. Ive scored the original 1952 commonwealth number plate as a custom plate for the Power Wagon so that will be on full rego , again if I could keep that plate on Club rego I would swap over.

Do you have a few mates with similar issues ...... Just start your own club. That is what a lot of people have done :)

For limited use, its a no brainer .... about $80 bucks a year for 45days. Remember is a permit to drive an unregistered vehicle on the road though. 45 days is HEAPS you will find :)

DoubleChevron

17th June 2021, 03:47 PM

First offence maybe $165, second offence full rego fee equivalent, third offence............

I'm contrasting this with what happened to a mate of mine who grew and sold hydro tomatoes.

He's in a 2yo van driving down the coast doing deliveries, gets pulled over coz plate rec says unreg.

Had payed on computer, had receipt number. Not paid for his vehicle, unreg. Put the wrong code in.

Got fined $900 for unreg vehicle, had to sit there for a long time getting emergency reg and there were other costs.

These days in Vic you get notified if your reg hasn't been paid by the due date.

DL

There is a few ways to get caught out with log books. A couple of times .... I've been filling in the log booked and noticed them expiry date was couple of months back... and the last 3 entries (totaling probably 10 for the year) were in this time period ..... :whistling: If I'd been pulled over I'd have no excuse. So you turn the house upside down ... find about heaps of un-used log books 'cos I'm bloody hopeless and haven't driven some of the cars for a couple of years ... find the sheet with the right expiry in it to stick into a new log book .... and throw it in the car, before I use the wrong logbook again.

One of our members was done for similar thing a few years back (I don't think the permit system was linked, so when he changed his license etc ... they missed the permit vehicle).... only he'd shifted house and not changed the address .... so his car was actually expired (even though he had only used 3 days in the log book). That was one expensive lesson. Not only the fine for unregistered vehicle, but it was 3months out ... and he had to get another roadworthy .. new plates etc ....

I've been driving one of my club permit vehicles around for the last 3 weeks..... 'cos I havne't got a gearbox back into the ****box range rover yet..... You get lot of looks driving something decent. Usually I wouldn't have them out in the middle of winter .... but its a car, so if its needed, it can do "car things" and get wet and muddy :) Whats the point in owning a car you can't use after all.

101RRS

17th June 2021, 05:57 PM

For limited use, its a no brainer .... about $80 bucks a year for 45days. Remember is a permit to drive an unregistered vehicle on the road though. 45 days is HEAPS you will find :)

Isn't the Vic system 90day use per year?

DoubleChevron

17th June 2021, 07:59 PM

Isn't the Vic system 90day use per year?

you can get 90days .... it costs twice as much. We all start with 90days insisting that it will not be enough .... a few years down the track you'll realise how little they are actually driven and change to 45days. You can always pay for another 45days if you need them.

I can emphasise enough how absolutely fantastically brilliant this victorian scheme has been for car lovers.... I'm still over the moon with it [bigrolf]

goingbush

17th June 2021, 10:29 PM

101RRS

17th June 2021, 11:07 PM

you can get 90days .... it costs twice as much. We all start with 90days insisting that it will not be enough .... a few years down the track you'll realise how little they are actually driven and change to 45days. You can always pay for another 45days if you need them.

I can emphasise enough how absolutely fantastically brilliant this victorian scheme has been for car lovers.... I'm still over the moon with it [bigrolf]

Thanks.

Here in the ACT we are having our second go at switching to a 60 day system as we are still on the old "club use" only system. The ACT Government has been reluctant and when we first tried back in 2013 we got a resounding NO. In 2018 we tried again and late last year after a two year process, the relevant Minister agreed and that it would be introduced from 1 Jul 2021.

We were advised tonight that the new Minister and the bureaucracy still have concerns - the main ones seem to related to the cost of third party personal insurance and the other how many kms can be used in a year.

So the new scheme will not be introduced as planned and is at least another 3 months off - the bureaucracy in the ACT is against any form of concessional registration and if I were a betting man I would put a bet on the new system never happening.

Garry

gromit

18th June 2021, 05:59 AM

I got together with some mates & formed a Club, not hard but took a while dealing with VicRoads by letter.

You need an application form from VicRoads.
You then need a 'constitution' which is easy, download one from another Club and modify.
Appoint a President, Vice President, Treasurer & Secretary.
Dummy up some headed paper and apply & wait.

When approved you will be asked to provide signatures for the above positions and any others that are signatories. You also get a stat. dec. where you sign to say that if you find a member rorting the system you have to dob them in.

I read the background to an existing Club ( The Feral Sports Car Club) which is a very interesting read. They were promoting at the time how easy it is to form a Club. That got me going, we didn't really 'form' the Club until the application was approved.

If you take out 45 days in VIC you can add another 45 days later, there is a slight additional cost over taking out the 90 days upfront.

No politics, the odd AGM (you are meant to hold them annually) and that's about it. We meet occasionally and spend the Club funds from the membership fees.

Colin

Homestar

18th June 2021, 06:51 AM

If I could keep the existing plates it would be a no brainer.

Yeah - it’s a bit of a bummer that we can’t do that - The plates on my 101 when I got it were V-LR 101 - these now just hang on the garage wall.

1950landy

18th June 2021, 07:43 AM

I have 2 classic vehicles currently on full rego 1949, and 1973, and another 1952 to go on in a few months . I'm not in a club because I cant deal with politics and bull**** , ... hmmm .. much like being on AULRO .

The 48 year old EV Landy is a daily driver so no option there. jeezus is it that old ?

The 49 Ute hardly gets driven but I keep full rego to keep the 1949 original registration number alive , If I could get club rego and keep the plates I'd join a club just for that. Ive scored the original 1952 commonwealth number plate as a custom plate for the Power Wagon so that will be on full rego , again if I could keep that plate on Club rego I would swap over.

I don't know about other states but in Qld you can pay to make the original plates personalize plates for a small fee ( well it was a few years back) & still have them on your 49.

RANDLOVER

18th June 2021, 08:56 AM

And this is the exact reason I can't stand a lot of club people. So because YOU don't care about them.... They aren't collectable ..... I can assure you, a VN v8 5pd (like my work colleague has) is far more collectable than nearly any pre-1930's car and most likely far more sought after.

The trouble with the pre-50's cars these days ..... is the people that grew up in the back seats of them are dying off. The next generation isn't anywhere near as interested. They want to cars they grew up in the back seat of and have memories of. Have you seen what old HQ holdens sell for these days?

This is the EXACT attitude that has absolutely no place in any classic car scheme or car club.

I agree, people love the cars, music they grew up with, so I think car clubs should have a category like "Modern Classic" for cars that don't fit into the Veteran, Vintage, Classic, etc categories to keep the younger generation/s interested in joining.

austastar

18th June 2021, 09:07 AM

DoubleChevron

18th June 2021, 11:38 AM

Hi,
If the aim of the scheme is to reduce the costs of a limited use vehicle vs a vehicle in regular use, then surely a registration cost based on distance travelled should apply to all vehicles nation wide?
Or am I dreaming?
Cheers

Yes, its absolutely nuts for a population the size of australia to have eight different government departments for most things. There should be one single "austrlian roads" entity. Its ludicrous that every state has its own licensing and registration departments.

They should just pick one (victoria ... our setup is best with 3rd party insurance a part of the registration) and make it national.

1950landy

18th June 2021, 12:03 PM

I agree, people love the cars, music they grew up with, so I think car clubs should have a category like "Modern Classic" for cars that don't fit into the Veteran, Vintage, Classic, etc categories to keep the younger generation/s interested in joining.

In Qld a few years back we had different plates for the different category's , then they combined them into Special Interest Plated (S plates) to cover all, to cut the cost of making different plates for different category's. Unfortunately with this the plates went from a Sq plate approx 200mm Sq that suited a S1 rear to a normal length plate that stuck out the side of the tub about 25mm.
My Classic plates 171654 I then put on full rego for a while & when I went back onto Club Rego received these plates 171655
171656 I then took the PPQ plates off my BMW & changed the colour to black & white 171657 These are a better fit.

Tins

18th June 2021, 12:39 PM

Hi,
If the aim of the scheme is to reduce the costs of a limited use vehicle vs a vehicle in regular use, then surely a registration cost based on distance travelled should apply to all vehicles nation wide?
Or am I dreaming?
Cheers

Back in the 80's, the them Premier of Vic, John Cain, floated a scheme where rego and TAC costs would be paid by a levy at the pump, so, user pays. Predictably, none of the States could agree on anything re this scheme, so it died. Now, if rego was a Federal thing......

Tins

18th June 2021, 12:47 PM

If car clubs aren't your thing, or if there is no specific club you want to join and you don't have the desire to form one of your own, then Victorian Red Plate Club Inc (https://www.redplateclub.com.au/) might be the answer. No politics, no BS, no meetings, and certainly none of the "that's not a classic" snobbery demonstrated in some of the posts here. Just a desire to help folk enjoy the car THEY believe is worth preserving.

mick88

18th June 2021, 01:02 PM

The CPS is not cheap rego, if you pay full rego (Vic) it's around $1.65 - 1.90 per day (country prices and based on seating/TAC cost), and the CPS works out $1.71 per day for a forty five day permit.
We have two motorcycles, a motor home, and three Land Rovers on the Vic scheme, the oldest vehicle being 1963 Series 2A and the youngest being a 1988 110 Perentie, so all well over thirty years.
We are motor vehicle enthusiasts, we are not cheap-skating, we also have three vehicles on full rego, plus tractors, four trailers.
There is no way we would pay full registration fees for any of the six vehicles we have on the Permit Scheme, we either wouldn't have them, or they would just travel on a trailer to car shows, etc.
The Club Permit Scheme definitely has to inject a lot of money into the economy.
When building up a vehicle or preparing it for the Club Permit, there are expenses like parts, repairs, upholstering, paint jobs, roadworthy certificates, etc.....and then there is the use of the vehicle, fuel, accommodation, restaurants, etc, etc.
Most of our vehicles wouldn't get ten entries a year in the log book, and a fair portion of those entries would be a five kay run up the road and back to pump the oil around, and keep the hydraulics alive, so they are hardly wearing the bitumen out.

Most owners of vehicles on the CPS very rarely get to fill one or two pages of their logbook in per year.
I know there are those that "rort" the system, but they need to be addressed individually.

As for what's a suitable vehicle for the scheme, who cares if it's an 80 inch Landy, a VN Commodore, or an XF Falcon, that's up to individual preference, so long as it meets VicRoads criteria for eligibility.

Its all here Gents:

The extracts below are from the engage.vic.gov website.

Cheers, Mick.

requirements for certificates of roadworthiness
club permit fees being adjusted to align with the pro rata of light vehicle registration fees
repairable Write Offs (RWOs)
the potential use of an electronic logbook for the Club Permit Scheme
the classification of motor trikes and golf carts
registration of light trailers.

An increase to eligible vehicle age
An increase in the age of vehicles in the Club Permit Scheme is proposed from 25 years to 30 years. This will go further to support the intent of the scheme and will align requirements in Victoria with that of some other jurisdictions.

The regulations are expected to come into effect in October 2021.
It is anticipated that any of the proposed regulatory reforms will be introduced progressively, via the amendments to the Regulations, over 12 to 24 months from the commencement of the Regulations in October 2021. The progressive implementation of any reforms will allow for transition within the industry and the public after the finalisation of the reforms following the public consultation phase.

Details relating to any delayed commencement dates and transition periods will be made available when the final Regulations have been determined.

https://engage.vic.gov.au/

mick88

18th June 2021, 01:12 PM

Back in the 80's, the them Premier of Vic, John Cain, floated a scheme where rego and TAC costs would be paid by a levy at the pump, so, user pays. Predictably, none of the States could agree on anything re this scheme, so it died. Now, if rego was a Federal thing......

I would like to see the TAC component removed from the vehicle registration fee and put onto the Drivers License fee, as it doesn't matter how many cars you own, you can only drive one at a time.

For people with one car this would be much the same, but for those with multiple vehicles, it would work out cheaper.
I cant ever see it happening though, as the "motorised vehicle" is a wonderful source of income for the Governments of our country, ie rego fees, fuel tax, tolls, fines, etc, etc.

Cheers, Mick.

DoubleChevron

18th June 2021, 01:26 PM

I would like to see the TAC component removed from the vehicle registration fee and put onto the Drivers License fee, as it doesn't matter how many cars you own, you can only drive one at a time.

For people with one car this would be much the same, but for those with multiple vehicles, it would work out cheaper.
I cant ever see it happening though, as the "motorised vehicle" is a wonderful source of income for the Governments of our country, ie rego fees, fuel tax, tolls, fines, etc, etc.

Cheers, Mick.

That' will never happen as it would cost the government to much in revenue. There excuse would be low income households where several poeple drive the one car ...... they would be paying three times the insurance.

It certainly makes the most sense though.

austastar

18th June 2021, 02:34 PM

gromit

18th June 2021, 09:55 PM

Its all here Gents:

The extracts below are from the engage.vic.gov website.

Cheers, Mick.

requirements for certificates of roadworthiness
club permit fees being adjusted to align with the pro rata of light vehicle registration fees
repairable Write Offs (RWOs)
the potential use of an electronic logbook for the Club Permit Scheme
the classification of motor trikes and golf carts
registration of light trailers.

An increase to eligible vehicle age
An increase in the age of vehicles in the Club Permit Scheme is proposed from 25 years to 30 years. This will go further to support the intent of the scheme and will align requirements in Victoria with that of some other jurisdictions.

The regulations are expected to come into effect in October 2021.
It is anticipated that any of the proposed regulatory reforms will be introduced progressively, via the amendments to the Regulations, over 12 to 24 months from the commencement of the Regulations in October 2021. The progressive implementation of any reforms will allow for transition within the industry and the public after the finalisation of the reforms following the public consultation phase.

Details relating to any delayed commencement dates and transition periods will be made available when the final Regulations have been determined.

https://engage.vic.gov.au/

Thanks Mick,
Tried to find the text above on the website, managed to find some of it but not all. One of the documents has over 400 pages !

There seems to be a number of 'proposals' subject to consultation.
I found that the 30 year change doesn't affect ex military vehicles (would stay at 25 years) and de-commissioned buses (which are 20 years).
I had to check this comment However, vehicles currently younger than 30 years of age and on the CPS would be grandfathered.
Seems it means 'a provision in which an old rule continues to apply to some existing situations while a new rule will apply to all future cases. Those exempt from the new rule are said to have grandfather rights or acquired rights, or to have been grandfathered in'

There was comment about 'single entity Clubs', no politics there unless they have a split personality !
Discussion about 'replicas'. Apparently VIC has the only system where replicas are allowed.

I'll need to get the Defender on the system within the next few months so it can be 'grandfathered'.

Colin

mick88

19th June 2021, 05:58 AM

Thanks Mick,
Tried to find the text above on the website, managed to find some of it but not all. One of the documents has over 400 pages !

There seems to be a number of 'proposals' subject to consultation.
I found that the 30 year change doesn't affect ex military vehicles (would stay at 25 years) and de-commissioned buses (which are 20 years).

I'll need to get the Defender on the system within the next few months so it can be 'grandfathered'.

Colin

Yes Colin I reckon there will be a rush on before October comes around and Vicroads will get a big cash injection with all the new Permits being issued, but no doubt some vehicles will be on full rego and swapped over to the CPS.
We have new Club member who is on a mission to his Disco 1 project finished and on CPS by then, otherwise it will need to be "mothballed" for few years before it comes of age.

As a matter of interest, i wonder how many people are aware of the current regulations (Vic) regarding the use of Ride on Lawn Mowers and Golf Carts on public roads?
In a "nutshell" they can be driven up to two kays on a public road provided the reason is for it's intended use, no rego required, no license needed, just stay off the turps!

Cheers, Mick.

How are these vehicles classified?

A vehicle described as a golf cart, golf buggy or ride-on lawn mower, is not considered to be a motor vehicle for the purposes of the law provided the following conditions are met:

it is designed mainly for use outside the road system
it is only being used for the purpose for which it was manufactured
it is not used to travel on roads or road related areas for more than two kilometres at a time in one direction.

When can these vehicles be used?

As these vehicles are not considered “motor vehicles”, they are exempt from registration. Because golf carts, golf buggies and ride-on lawn mowers do not have the safety features of a regular vehicle, their access to road and road related areas is limited to:

golf cart or golf buggy – for the purpose of playing golf.
ride on lawn mower – limited to its use of mowing lawns;

and, for going to or from the location for the activity (no more than a 2 km distance one way).

Who can drive these vehicles?

No driver licence is required to operate these vehicles provided they are being used in accordance with the above conditions.
Users should not operate these vehicles under the influence of alcohol or drugs, should take extreme caution when using them after dark, travel at safe speeds and must not travel on footpaths, bike paths and shared paths.
If these vehicles are used for purposes other than the manufactured intent, or outside the above conditions then they are subject to the same laws as any other motor vehicle. This includes laws related to driver licensing and registration.
As a golf cart, golf buggy or ride-on lawn mower is not considered a motor vehicle they would not be covered by third party personal injury insurance. If these vehicles have an accident that does not involve another motor vehicle, they would not be covered by TAC.
It is advised that an insurance policy should be taken out to cover the golf cart, golf buggy or ride-on lawn mower.

mick88

19th June 2021, 06:08 AM

That' will never happen as it would cost the government to much in revenue. There excuse would be low income households where several poeple drive the one car ...... they would be paying three times the insurance.

It certainly makes the most sense though.

I agree it would never get off the ground.
How many households in todays society have one motor vehicle, very few i would think.
The occupants of households deemed as "Low Income" would most likely get a substantial discount or some type of financial assistance similar to rental assistance etc.

Cheers, Mick.

3toes

19th June 2021, 11:52 PM

Never really understood why all the different plates are required when the police use a computer which gives them the information they require for each individual vehicle

gromit

20th June 2021, 03:31 PM

Never really understood why all the different plates are required when the police use a computer which gives them the information they require for each individual vehicle

Maybe nowadays plates could be a common format......

Vic Club 'plates' are not registration plates as it's a permit system. I'm not sure that the police had access (I think they do now). I'd been told that if you went through a toll system on H plates they couldn't track you down.

No computer available then the Historic Plates tell the Police the vehicle driver needs to have a completed logbook with him/her.
Lowered, turbo charged wide wheels and on Modified Plates tell the Police that it's probably legit.

Colin

mick88

21st June 2021, 08:27 AM

Maybe nowadays plates could be a common format......

Vic Club 'plates' are not registration plates as it's a permit system. I'm not sure that the police had access (I think they do now). I'd been told that if you went through a toll system on H plates they couldn't track you down.

No computer available then the Historic Plates tell the Police the vehicle driver needs to have a completed logbook with him/her.
Lowered, turbo charged wide wheels and on Modified Plates tell the Police that it's probably legit.

Colin

A member of our club received an overdue Toll fine for a Victorian Tollway in his Vanguard which is on "H" plates.
He resides in country Victoria and the Vanguard has never been within 400 kays of Melbourne.
He rang them up "spitting chips" and asked them what colour the vehicle concerned was, it was white, whereas his is black.
He had them send him a copy of the photo of the vehicle concerned and on closer inspection the number plate on it had a white
background and was smaller in size, but had the same numbers and an "H" on the end. Turned out the vehicle concerned, an MG,
was from NSW and on their Historic Permit System, and the permit had lapsed for several years.
The tollway offence had occurred in the last couple of years, so the vehicle was also unregistered.
It's pretty obvious the permit system is not readily available on the database these mobs have access to.

Cheers, Mick.

Tote

21st June 2021, 08:53 AM

The systems linking state registration databases together are built and maintained to the same standards as the systems that advertise and maintain Covid border closures with the same petty jealousies and points of difference. I'd be surprised if interstate police have any access to historic rego systems, although it might work in a limited manner.

Regards,
Tote

d2dave

21st June 2021, 09:31 AM

DoubleChevron

21st June 2021, 10:35 AM

I know the bloke who started this.

What a money maker! $100 bucks a year per member .... Good on them! They deserve if for the effort and red tape involved :)

gromit

21st June 2021, 05:44 PM

What a money maker! $100 bucks a year per member .... Good on them! They deserve if for the effort and red tape involved :)

What 'red tape' ?

I run a Club and there's no red tape once the Club is registered.
There would be costs associated with running the website though......

Colin

DoubleChevron

21st June 2021, 06:58 PM

What 'red tape' ?

I run a Club and there's no red tape once the Club is registered.
There would be costs associated with running the website though......

Colin

upkeeping the club paperwork (mandatory AGMs etc)... signing and posting out the logbooks. There is a lot of car people out there that aren't "club people" if that makes sense. So they have found themselves a nice little niche where cars lovers can access the scheme without having to deal with a car clubs. Car clubs are brilliant for retired people. i love tinkering with cars, and run out to the shed every chance I get ... but trying to find the time to also get to club events and meetings .... Nah, not going to happen while workiing full time with 3 young kids and already something on every single night of the week.

gromit

22nd June 2021, 06:47 AM

upkeeping the club paperwork (mandatory AGMs etc)... signing and posting out the logbooks. There is a lot of car people out there that aren't "club people" if that makes sense. So they have found themselves a nice little niche where cars lovers can access the scheme without having to deal with a car clubs. Car clubs are brilliant for retired people. i love tinkering with cars, and run out to the shed every chance I get ... but trying to find the time to also get to club events and meetings .... Nah, not going to happen while workiing full time with 3 young kids and already something on every single night of the week.

AGM's only need to be ....."anyone want to apply for any of the comittee positions ?" "any other business ?" Pass the beer....

Because of their format the Red Plate Club need to receive & post out logbooks, ours are signed in person (the beauty of a small Club).
I'm working full time, have 4 kids and running a Club is a doddle but to be fair we don't have meetings except for the AGM.
I do occasionally put out a newsletter as a couple of the members have moved and we don't see them so often.

Back to an earlier point......it isn't hard to form and run your own Club with a few mates. Most people can't be bothered.
From the info on the Government website, link posted by Mick88, there are a lot of single entity Clubs, ie. one person has formed a Club for themselves. AGM's would be brief and unless they have a split personality there wouldn't be any politics.

Colin

mick88

22nd June 2021, 08:34 AM

What a money maker! $100 bucks a year per member .... Good on them! They deserve if for the effort and red tape involved :)

From memory, with that Club, there is also an initial fee per vehicle ($50 from memory) to get it onto the CP Scheme.

Being a remote member is probably very appealing to a lot of people. Being involved in clubs is not for everyone, and as previously stated, if your not retired and have a young family, often there is minimal time to spare for club meetings and activities. Some clubs don't appear to be sympathetic to this, demanding "X" amount of attendances at club meetings, club activities, vehicle display days, etc. per year, or they will not sign off and stamp your paperwork for the following twelve months CPS registration.

Cheers, Mick.

DoubleChevron

22nd June 2021, 10:12 AM

AGM's only need to be ....."anyone want to apply for any of the comittee positions ?" "any other business ?" Pass the beer....

Because of their format the Red Plate Club need to receive & post out logbooks, ours are signed in person (the beauty of a small Club).
I'm working full time, have 4 kids and running a Club is a doddle but to be fair we don't have meetings except for the AGM.
I do occasionally put out a newsletter as a couple of the members have moved and we don't see them so often.

Back to an earlier point......it isn't hard to form and run your own Club with a few mates. Most people can't be bothered.
From the info on the Government website, link posted by Mick88, there are a lot of single entity Clubs, ie. one person has formed a Club for themselves. AGM's would be brief and unless they have a split personality there wouldn't be any politics.

Colin

Don't get me wrong .... I'm just using that one car club as an example. We made a carclub .... wow ... a lot of years ago, days after the new scheme came in. There is only about a dozen of us. Absolutely brilliant. I don't see rorting. Honestly most of us don't drive the blooyd cars much as they are always in bits or waiting on time/money (ie: we are all average car people). all I'm saying is if you don't want to start/run your own club ... the red plate club allows easy access to drive your classic car.

I find the "runs" and cars and coffee type events far more interesting than a lot of club run car events. You get all sorts of people and cars there. rather than the same people everytime. I'm always stunned by the variety of cars that will turn up to a local cars and coffee .... where on earth are they all hidden? ... its amazing what is around when people are actually allowed to drive and enjoy there cars due ot the permit system we have.

Eevo

22nd June 2021, 12:29 PM

You get all sorts of people and cars there. rather than the same people everytime. I'm always stunned by the variety of cars that will turn up to a local cars and coffee .... where on earth are they all hidden? ... its amazing what is around when people are actually allowed to drive and enjoy there cars due ot the permit system we have.

too right! but frm my SA experience, hardly any are on club plates.

DoubleChevron

22nd June 2021, 12:40 PM

too right! but frm my SA experience, hardly any are on club plates.

I've found the opposite. Most people can't afford to have multiple cars on full registration. With 45 days costing about $80 a year, a huge number of enthusiasts have permitted all of the toys ... and those they could afford to register, have moved them sideways onto permits.

You will find once you have cars on a permit, you drive them nowhere near as often as you initially expected. Its just the nature of the beast. when its 40+degrees, a modern car is better, when its 5degrees and pouring rain, a modern car is better (there goes 6months of the year for starters).

Redback

22nd June 2021, 02:12 PM

too right! but frm my SA experience, hardly any are on club plates.

I'm not surprised given the rules around SA club rego.

NSW is so simple and cheap($46 a year) 60day logbook system, with club rides where you don't have to fill in the logbook and you can improve things like brakes and suspension to help with safety.

Now in Tassie there are two systems SIand Vintage(SPECIAL INTEREST) like normal rego but you don't have to be in a club but have a logbook that needs to be filled for each ride(100 days), vehicle needs to be 30yrs old, rego is about $160 a year.

Vintage rego, 30 logbook days plus any club rides, $90?? like NSW where logbook doesn't need to be filled in on club rides, vehicle needs to be 30yrs old, rider/driver needs to be in a club, can't modify vehicle.

Eevo

22nd June 2021, 02:19 PM

I'm not surprised given the rules around SA club rego.

whats special about the SA rules?

Redback

22nd June 2021, 02:26 PM

whats special about the SA rules?

Nothing special just a PITA to do with too many rules(only going on a friend who lives in SA) don't shoot the messenger.

Eevo

22nd June 2021, 02:40 PM

Nothing special just a PITA to do with too many rules(only going on a friend who lives in SA) don't shoot the messenger.
pew pew pew!

Homestar

22nd June 2021, 04:06 PM

And zero mods allowed in SA - so no safety upgrades like bigger brakes or disc brakes on series vehicles, no Holden powered series allowed, 3.9 or 4.6 in an 86 Rangie not allowed, etc.

gromit

22nd June 2021, 05:32 PM

From memory, with that Club, there is also an initial fee per vehicle ($50 from memory) to get it onto the CP Scheme.

Being a remote member is probably very appealing to a lot of people. Being involved in clubs is not for everyone, and as previously stated, if your not retired and have a young family, often there is minimal time to spare for club meetings and activities. Some clubs don't appear to be sympathetic to this, demanding "X" amount of attendances at club meetings, club activities, vehicle display days, etc. per year, or they will not sign off and stamp your paperwork for the following twelve months CPS registration.

Cheers, Mick.

I can see the RedPlate Club buying land, building a Clubhouse etc. with the funds they are raising. Good on them if the system works.

We formed our Club with the express aim of no meetings and no politics.
But on the other hand I understand that some Clubs are more about the social aspects hence the requirements to attend meetings & take part.
As mentioned earlier, if you don't like it then form your own Club with some mates. If you can't be bothered then join an existing Club and 'fit in'.

Colin

mick88

23rd June 2021, 08:21 AM

too right! but frm my SA experience, hardly any are on club plates.

The reason you dont see many on "H" plates is I believe SA have a two plate system for historic vehicles.
Firstly a dedicated Historic plate, as well as some vehicles keep their original plate, but they are on the Historic Conditional/Limited use of eighty or ninety days per annum.
We need Digger to clarify this.

Cheers, Mick

Tins

23rd June 2021, 11:52 AM

Hi,
I believe Saskatchewan in Canada has CTP on each driver's licence. Each vehicle has a cover as well for runaway no driver incidents, or unlicensed/non-resident driver.
The idea has many merits.
Cheers

I believe having the driver rather than the vehicle insured is common across the US, but I don't think they have a TAC type system like we do here. Still, perhaps a driver could be insured for that as well under the DL.

Tins

23rd June 2021, 11:52 AM

Never really understood why all the different plates are required when the police use a computer which gives them the information they require for each individual vehicle

Yep. No hiding from ANPR cameras.

Tins

23rd June 2021, 11:59 AM

ie. one person has formed a Club for themselves. AGM's would be brief and unless they have a split personality there wouldn't be any politics.

Colin

I believe you have met me, Colin....:angel:

Tins

23rd June 2021, 12:02 PM

From memory, with that Club, there is also an initial fee per vehicle ($50 from memory) to get it onto the CP Scheme.

The one off "scrutineering fee" does still apply.

DoubleChevron

18th July 2021, 08:32 AM

This has got to be the worst journalism I have ever read.

Car registration in Victoria: Days of cheap rego loophole for ‘classic’ cars could be numbered (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/days-of-cheap-rego-loophole-for-classic-cars-could-be-numbered-20210714-p589o2.html?fbclid=IwAR1yf0ZPKaMcVVTURmJpTCpCKyGcO umDp07OzgqJOzpbYMs19FH7O-gFTcs)

An entire article based on a twitter feed ?? WTF.

There is no such thing as "cheap rego". Its a permit to drive an unregistered car on the road. The entire article is just bull**** that appears to be have been fabricated out of nothing :bat::bat: Along with a dumbarse moron trying to tell us that we should be told what is considered a classic car :bat::bat::bat:

Homestar

18th July 2021, 03:35 PM

Yeah that’s pretty bad reporting with no effort made to understand the scheme at all. I still don’t see how they can make a rule to say what’s a classic is or isn’t.

Someone’s Seca or Magna might mean the world to them - why should someone else have the right to say their vehicle isn’t worth it.

I have no issues with tightening the rules to catch out the cheats who are ruining it for the vast majority. I’m also glad that 1 car clubs aren’t going to go - a lot of these are
legitimate people who don’t want the hassle of being part of another club and all the BS that can go with it.

Have been thinking of looking into this myself just for the ease of it.

350RRC

18th July 2021, 06:28 PM

And zero mods allowed in SA ................

Is that how Eevo gets away with whatever? [biggrin]

Just kidding, DL

DoubleChevron

20th July 2021, 02:10 PM

Is that how Eevo gets away with whatever? [biggrin]

Just kidding, DL

The "must be standard" type issue I can understand. Its quite impossible to deal with. You see, show me any old Citroen CX or DS .... and I'll point out effortlessly all the "non-standard" stuff on it. However all of them will be just "because" times change. eg: original size tires are no longer available, smog pumps were dumb, --continue this list forever ....

I'm not sure how or where you can draw the line if you don't say "must be standard/unmodified". Eg: my ****box range rover has a disco motor, LT230 and R380. none of which are standard for this model...

seeya,
Shane L.

Eevo

20th July 2021, 02:41 PM

Is that how Eevo gets away with whatever? [biggrin]

Just kidding, DL
[bigwhistle]

mick88

11th September 2021, 11:33 AM

Heard on the radio yesterday that Vicroads are losing too much money with club rego.

So they are going to change the rules that car has to be 30 years old instead of 25

This was to take effect from October 1st, but a fellow car club member sent me some information yesterday to say
it may not be going ahead now.
Our Car Club has not received anything official from VicRoads to say it is, or is not going case, so I have emailed them
for a clarification.
Like the other other emails I have sent to them over time, I will "eventually" get a reply.

Cheers, Mick.

gromit

11th September 2021, 03:58 PM

This was to take effect from October 1st, but a fellow car club member sent me some information yesterday to say
it may not be going ahead now.
Our Car Club has not received anything official from VicRoads to say it is, or is not going case, so I have emailed them
for a clarification.
Like the other other emails I have sent to them over time, I will "eventually" get a reply.

Cheers, Mick.

Registered my 26 year old Defender on the permit system earlier in the week.

Colin

Fattima

11th September 2021, 04:40 PM

173504
Not much changing, apparently fines will be going up for those doing the wrong thing.

mick88

15th September 2021, 11:40 AM

An update on the Vic CPS

Vic Club Permit update - more details unwrapped (https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/news/2109/vic-club-permit-update-more-details-unwrapped?fbclid=IwAR05Id-r2EgmHx_9oRrse_b3AJJAvYXNyQBIcQqM0klwOeW1pa0VSUm5j L4)

workingonit

15th September 2021, 12:53 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in simple terms when you pay rego it covers personal injury (to yourself or others), and road construction/maintenance.

You, the individual, can only drive one vehicle at a time legally on a public road. My guess is that there are now some minds ticking over...

You're a collector with 20 mechanically dodgy Land Rovers but road worth and registerable in Qld, and a trusty Toyota Corolla.

Like many Land Rover owners you're a lone maverick.

Your one registration payment should cover you when driving any of those vehicles. The wear and tear you cause driving your collection is no different to just driving the Corolla all the time. Your risk factor of an accident is not much different whether driving your collection or just the Corolla all the time.

You finally meet the spouse of your dreams - although they are really only interested in the appreciating value of your collection, and your old age.

Registration is now due. Two rego fee required to cover two people being on the road driving any of the collection.

Each year you have a child which quickly morphs into a P plater. Unless you are making them appreciate being an adult and paying their own way then you will increase the number of registrations proportionally to family growth.

If you are having to pay more rego than there are drivers for your vehicles then people with collections are being called upon to pay more than their fair share of revenue. Either that or you should get your own slip lane going to work to compensate.

And club plates should not be needed.

Property insurance is a different issue. An insurer would not expect to receive an insurance fee for just the Corolla, and at the same time cover your collection for no addition fee.

What are the holes in my theory? And I don't mean responses like '...there are no cars in Qld that are registerable...'

Homestar

15th September 2021, 01:13 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in simple terms when you pay rego it covers personal injury (to yourself or others), and road construction/maintenance.

You, the individual, can only drive one vehicle at a time legally on a public road.

You're a collector with 20 mechanically dodgy Land Rovers but road worth and registerable in Qld, and a trusty Toyota Corolla.

Like many Land Rover owners you're a lone maverick.

Your one registration payment should cover you when driving any of those vehicles. The wear and tear you cause driving your collection is no different to just driving the Corolla all the time. Your risk factor of an accident is not much different whether driving your collection or just the Corolla all the time.

You finally meet the spouse of your dreams - although they are really only interested in the appreciating value of your collection, and your old age.

Registration is now due. Two rego fee required to cover two people being on the road driving any of the collection.

Each year you have a child which quickly morphs into a P plater. Unless you are making them appreciate being an adult and paying their own way then you will increase the number of registrations proportionally to family growth.

If you are having to pay more rego than there are drivers for your vehicles then people with collections are being called upon to pay more than their fair share of revenue. Either that or you should get your own slip lane going to work to compensate.

And club plates should not be needed.

Property insurance is a different issue. An insurer would not expect to receive an insurance fee for just the Corolla, and at the same time cover your collection for no addition fee.

What are the holes in my theory? And I don't mean responses like '...there are no cars in Qld that are registerable...'

Revenue - pure and simple. Based on Stats from last year, there are 19.81 million cars registered in Australia but only a population of around 16 million between the age of 18 and 80 (had to extrapolate that data set a bit but it wouldn't be far off). Not taking into account the small percentage that don't own a car or can't drive, that means there are a lot more cars on the road than people to drive them - so you tax the vehicle, not the person - economics 101. Would love to see it change but it never will. The other point that could be made is the vehicle need to be tracked for road worthy purposes, etc - which is true in NSW but you could still have a plate on a car and have it 'registered' but only have to pay the insurance for TAC, etc once as a driver - I'll keep dreaming...

Tote

15th September 2021, 04:40 PM

Revenue - pure and simple. Based on Stats from last year, there are 19.81 million cars registered in Australia but only a population of around 16 million between the age of 18 and 80 (had to extrapolate that data set a bit but it wouldn't be far off). Not taking into account the small percentage that don't own a car or can't drive, that means there are a lot more cars on the road than people to drive them - so you tax the vehicle, not the person - economics 101. Would love to see it change but it never will. The other point that could be made is the vehicle need to be tracked for road worthy purposes, etc - which is true in NSW but you could still have a plate on a car and have it 'registered' but only have to pay the insurance for TAC, etc once as a driver - I'll keep dreaming...

There's three drivers in our household and 5 fully registered vehicles, although the Defer is on primary producer rego which equates to a few hundred dollars saved. Our High water mark was three cars and two bikes for two people, but there's a Jeep CJ10 in the shed that might either go primary producers or club rego in the next few months.

Regards,

Tote

gromit

15th September 2021, 05:00 PM

Property insurance is a different issue. An insurer would not expect to receive an insurance fee for just the Corolla, and at the same time cover your collection for no addition fee.

What are the holes in my theory? And I don't mean responses like '...there are no cars in Qld that are registerable...'

Put your theory to the registration authorities and see what they say.......

Other people could drive your vehicles so it's not just how many family members there are. The CPS scheme at least allows significantly reduced rego for limited use vehicles.

The other option for your '20 Land Rovers' is to have one registration and move the plates to the vehicle you're using, someone up the road from me seems to do this !

As for insurance - Years ago in the UK Norwich Union had a 'Rider Policy' for motorcycles. The rider was insured for any motorbike they owned.
I regularly had between 2 & 6 bikes on this scheme.
Then they stopped the policy, turned out that for every pound they took in payments they were paying out two pounds in claims !!

Colin

101RRS

15th September 2021, 06:19 PM

There's three drivers in our household and 5 fully registered vehicles, although the Defer is on primary producer rego which equates to a few hundred dollars saved. Our High water mark was three cars and two bikes for two people, but there's a Jeep CJ10 in the shed that might either go primary producers or club rego in the next few months.

Regards,

Tote

You rich graziers should just pay full rego for all your vehicles [thumbsupbig] - you can afford it.

V8Ian

15th September 2021, 06:36 PM

You rich graziers should just pay full rego for all your vehicles [thumbsupbig] - you can afford it.
Are you suggesting only worm farmers should have farm rego?

101RRS

15th September 2021, 07:52 PM

Are you suggesting only worm farmers should have farm rego?

Sorry no following - worm farmers??

V8Ian

15th September 2021, 08:40 PM

Sorry no following - worm farmers??
Worm Farms - Bunnings Australia (https://www.bunnings.com.au/products/garden/gardening/composting/worm-farms)
For under two hundred bucks, anyone can be a primary producer. [biggrin]

350RRC

15th September 2021, 09:38 PM

Years ago a mate of my brother's brought some my sibling's wine down to the old family house to be put in the cellar.

This guy came from a wealthy NSW farming family and was driving the 'hand me down' Merc.

After getting all the cases of wine out of the back seat and boot I noticed an old, but still packaged garden hose in the latter.

'What's that for ?' I enquired.............. his response: 'So we can claim it as a fire fighting vehicle'. [thumbsupbig][biggrin]

DL

mick88

13th December 2021, 08:34 AM

DoubleChevron

13th December 2021, 09:46 AM

Here is an update from VicRoads re: the CPS "Red Plate" changes that have been implemented.
Apparently it was sent out in October, but I have only just received a copy.

Sorry about having to turn your monitor on its side, but it's the only way they would load.

Cheers for now,
Mick.

It really does sound like we have great bunch of like minded people looking after this scheme. It has to be one of the most successful things vicroads has ever introduced. It sure has put a large "vintage/classic" fleet of cars back onto the roads :arms::thumbsup::banana::banana:

Homestar

13th December 2021, 11:17 AM

What was the bot about 15 year old vehicles being put on the WOVR? Didn't know that was a proposal - there would have been pitch forks on the steps of Parliament house if they'd have tried that I should think.

RANDLOVER

13th December 2021, 11:59 AM

Revenue - pure and simple. Based on Stats from last year, there are 19.81 million cars registered in Australia but only a population of around 16 million between the age of 18 and 80 (had to extrapolate that data set a bit but it wouldn't be far off). Not taking into account the small percentage that don't own a car or can't drive, that means there are a lot more cars on the road than people to drive them - so you tax the vehicle, not the person - economics 101. Would love to see it change but it never will. The other point that could be made is the vehicle need to be tracked for road worthy purposes, etc - which is true in NSW but you could still have a plate on a car and have it 'registered' but only have to pay the insurance for TAC, etc once as a driver - I'll keep dreaming...

Your dreams might come true in a fashion, if electric cars become popular, so they will have to collect the lost fuel excise via a mileage fee/tax.

Homestar

13th December 2021, 01:36 PM

Your dreams might come true in a fashion, if electric cars become popular, so they will have to collect the lost fuel excise via a mileage fee/tax.

That would be on top of the Registration fee, not instead of it - double whammy - no government would reduce the cost of vehicle ownership, just look for ways of making more money from those who wish to own a car or more.

mick88

13th December 2021, 01:44 PM

Basically a "Tax" on the invention of the "wheel"

Cars, buses, trucks, trailers, caravans, motorcycles, etc., etc.
Between that and the GST, the coffers must be be busting at the seams.

Cheers, Mick.

goingbush

14th December 2021, 05:15 PM

mick88

14th December 2021, 09:02 PM

If my EV Landy wasn't a daily driver I'd put it on Club plates.

My full rego on it was paid yesterday , it was the normal rego fee for a ute less $100 'green' incentive making it $489.00
I got a seperate invoice for $35.75 Road User Charge based on photos of odometer I sent in for the few months the scheme has been active, 2.5c per km is pretty fair I think, a lot cheaper than paying fuel excise .

Would have used 210L for the 1400km = $89.67 fuel excise based on 42.7c excise per litre.

weather that scheme applies on red plates or not is doubtful.

The CPS is supposedly based on pro rata of a full registration.
My five seater Disco 1 was $704 and my wife's Suzuki Vitara was $716.
So 704 / 365 = 1.92 per day.
45 x $1.92 = $86.40 which is approximately where the current 45 Day CPS fee is at.

If they decided to hit CPS Holders an additional "tax" based on use/odometer reading it would be an absolute rip-off,
as a lot barely get a few entries in the log book for the year as it is, and even less throughout the last two years with
the Covid-19 event.
I do realise that some CPS vehicles get their full 45 or 90 days of use, perhaps even more with some dishonest permit holders,
but they would have to be a minority.

Cheers, Mick.