Jacking with ARB Jack

[HeliFNQ]

I have recently ordered the new ARB Jack which is a hydraulic jack. Where can I affix this to a Disco 4? Can it be used in both off road and normal suspension setting? I assume those with the Farmers Jack would have the answer as I cannot find this anywhere

[loanrangie]

Maybe should have researched it first but unless you have a front and rear bar or decent side steps/rock sliders there is no where suitable to lift from.
You could get the wheel adapter but that's pretty useless if you need to change that wheel.

[Eric SDV6SE]

If you have a bull bar you could jack from a point on there, but otherwise no, these type of jacks not really suitable for D4 side lifting unless, as said, you have rock sliders you can pick up from.

[HeliFNQ]

If you have a bull bar you could jack from a point on there, but otherwise no, these type of jacks not really suitable for D4 side lifting unless, as said, you have rock sliders you can pick up from.


I do have a bull bar and will look into rock sliders.Thanks

[DieselLSE]

I do have a bull bar and will look into rock sliders.Thanks
Looks like they are designed to work with ARB bullbars as there is a slot for jack. Not sure how it would attach to an OL bar. Try APT for the rocksliders.

[Tombie]

I would never lift my D4 on the side sliders…

Too easy for the jack / vehicle to move and the doors to be damaged.

These jacks are nice pieces of kit, total WOFTAM on a D3/4/RRS.

Correct height, multi stage Bottle jack for the win every time on these vehicles.

[HeliFNQ]

I would never lift my D4 on the side sliders…

Too easy for the jack / vehicle to move and the doors to be damaged.

These jacks are nice pieces of kit, total WOFTAM on a D3/4/RRS.

Correct height, multi stage Bottle jack for the win every time on these vehicles.

I have the bottle jack and the ARB Jack would be for quick lifting and where it may be difficult to place the bottle jack under the vehicle

[loanrangie]

I have the bottle jack and the ARB Jack would be for quick lifting and where it may be difficult to place the bottle jack under the vehicle

Not really suitable for this and without a steel rear bar you will only be able to jack the front, also ARB bars don't come with the slot any more at least not for D3/4 - my bar certainly doesn't have it.

[101RRS]

I have the bottle jack and the ARB Jack would be for quick lifting and where it may be difficult to place the bottle jack under the vehicle

Will not work - take it back and get something suitable for lifting your vehicle.

[W&KO]

A farmer mate of mine is on at least this 2nd maybe 3rd.

Used regularly @ max. lifting capacity…..

Ive been meaning to grab an old one to see how rebuildable they are.

[Tombie]

I have the bottle jack and the ARB Jack would be for quick lifting and where it may be difficult to place the bottle jack under the vehicle

There is no “quick lifting” [emoji41]
Just quick damage [emoji56]

[John_D4]

Just yesterday o tried lifting 1 wheel of my D4 using a high lift jack and a wheel hook thingy. It was not successful at all. A standard high lifting bottle jack is definitely the way to go.

I’m going to sell my high lift jack and wheel lifting thingo

[Aussie Jeepster]

The only thing I use my hilift on is my Number 5 trailer.
The D3 gets a bottle jack - and I still have the useless original jack if I ever need it (or until it breaks!)

[HeliFNQ]

Will not work - take it back and get something suitable for lifting your vehicle.

Other than the bottle jack is there any other quicker alternative that you are aware of to lift the vehicle?

[HeliFNQ]

Just yesterday o tried lifting 1 wheel of my D4 using a high lift jack and a wheel hook thingy. It was not successful at all. A standard high lifting bottle jack is definitely the way to go.

I’m going to sell my high lift jack and wheel lifting thingo

I am resigning myself to this as well I am afraid

[NavyDiver]

Maybe should have researched it first but unless you have a front and rear bar or decent side steps/rock sliders there is no where suitable to lift from.
You could get the wheel adapter but that's pretty useless if you need to change that wheel.

I like the fact I could lift using the Wheel adapter in Mud and similar off road stops where there can be almost no chance of getting under the car with a bottle jack. I have twice in my old d3 on the ARB bar. I had the chain saw cutting a suitable log to use to lower my D3 with before working on it. Got me out of a huge bog twice when no place to winch to was available[biggrin] I did also lift on my rock sliders in my former D3 putting MT 17 inchs on or off.

Sliders are as people point out a real slip risk. I had to have the door open as well to do it.

My replacement D3 has no sliders or bar lift points. Love the speed the hi lift jack provides myself if used with care[bigwhistle]. Put my wheel adapter to use twice in WA two years ago and its still on the roof rack on my replacement D3.

[101RRS]

Other than the bottle jack is there any other quicker alternative that you are aware of to lift the vehicle?

Yes raise the vehicle to super extended height and then use an appropriate jack under the chassis or put the jack under the suspension arms.

Without front and rear bars a hi lift jack will not work on a D4 and then they are very dangerous - the wheel lifts will not work as the jack ends up against the body causing damage.

[John_D4]

I am resigning myself to this as well I am afraid

At getting on of these. Apparently they have enough lift to get the D4 tire off the ground when jacking from the chassis

JACK BOTTLE OMEGA TELESCOPIC HYD 2T | Bottle Jacks | Jacks | Automotive | Blackwoods (https://www.blackwoods.com.au/automotive/jacks/bottle-jacks/jack-bottle-omega-telescopic-hyd-2t/p/00946908)

[DiscoJeffster]

At getting on of these. Apparently they have enough lift to get the D4 tire off the ground when jacking from the chassis

JACK BOTTLE OMEGA TELESCOPIC HYD 2T | Bottle Jacks | Jacks | Automotive | Blackwoods (https://www.blackwoods.com.au/automotive/jacks/bottle-jacks/jack-bottle-omega-telescopic-hyd-2t/p/00946908)

Take note they are different than the original Omega bottle jacks and have less raise. They will work fine under a suspension arm but won’t be enough to jack off the chassis and raise a wheel. I think they lost nearly an inch in height capacity at one stage.

[John_D4]

Take note they are different than the original Omega bottle jacks and have less raise. They will work fine under a suspension arm but won’t be enough to jack off the chassis and raise a wheel. I think they lost nearly an inch in height capacity at one stage.

Is there a different option available?

[DiscoDB]

Take note they are different than the original Omega bottle jacks and have less raise. They will work fine under a suspension arm but won’t be enough to jack off the chassis and raise a wheel. I think they lost nearly an inch in height capacity at one stage.

Unless it has changed again, I have one of the new ones from Omega - it is the screwed extension that lost about 20mm. The stroke, which is what counts, is still around 210mm and the best I have found in that size jack. Only bettered by the original D2 jack which has around 220mm stroke.

It is at its stroke limit, so just carry some blocks of wood to act as spacers under the jack, plus can always use the original scissor jack under the lower control arms just to lift the wheel a bit (not for lifting the car).

[John_D4]

This makes me wonder if it’s easier to buy a D2 jack and put a tuff ant chassis adaptor on it

[barney]

Isn't the ARB jack just a hydraulic version of a hilift?
Although they take some of the danger that the original hilift jack presents, out of the equation, they don't necessarily exhibit the same versatility as a traditional HiLift.
I bought my HiLift many - probably 20 years ago . I have used it for winching, pulling out tree stumps, pulling out star pickets, shoving either my car or trailer sideways, changing springs, supporting the A frame of the camper, smacking myself in the head a couple of times when the handle went rogue, but never have I used it while 4wding. The only time I needed it, the vehicle was in such a predicament that the jack would net get under it to lift it.
It's got the the point now that I never take it with me when 4wding as it is heavy, awkward, and pretty limited usage.

[Baytown]

I have the Jack (ARB, not the infectious kind) and couldn’t use it on my stock bodywork D4 due to no suitable jacking points apart from the rear tow hitch, but I wouldn’t use that either. It will be the same for our Range Rover Sport but I will use it for our caravan.

I carried an exhaust Airbag in the D4 which was great, and I use the Jack in my Defender.

One concern I have with the Jack is storage. I’m not convinced that I can carry it laying down, although ARB advise I can, I’m concerned with fluid leakage which I’ve had with other hydraulic jacks.

Im amazed that ARB have not produced an external anti theft or internal mounting system for these units considering the investment and the other minor rubbish items that they produce.

[David Allen]

I have recently ordered the new ARB Jack which is a hydraulic jack. Where can I affix this to a Disco 4? Can it be used in both off road and normal suspension setting? I assume those with the Farmers Jack would have the answer as I cannot find this anywhere
Not sure about fitting it onto the vehicle but I read that after you use the jack it is very tedious to retract the piston - a pity as it looked a lot safer than a roo jack.

[Tombie]

Not sure about fitting it onto the vehicle but I read that after you use the jack it is very tedious to retract the piston - a pity as it looked a lot safer than a roo jack.

Don’t see why…

It’s just an oversized PortaPowa.

Release and let vehicle weight bring it back down, or release and apply a bit of pressure and let it return.

The one I played with certainly wasn’t difficult.

[Baytown]

Im not sure who would have complained about that Dave, its certainly not my owners experience.

Its a fantastic system. Almost effortless and lifts my heavy 110 without stress, safely and resets with no thought to it.

Welcome to the 21st Century.



Not sure about fitting it onto the vehicle but I read that after you use the jack it is very tedious to retract the piston - a pity as it looked a lot safer than a roo jack.

[Baytown]

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[Tombie]

Im not sure who would have complained about that Dave, its certainly not my owners experience.

Its a fantastic system. Almost effortless and lifts my heavy 110 without stress, safely and resets with no thought to it.

Welcome to the 21st Century.

20th at best.. [emoji41]

The old Hi-lift is 19th [emoji41]

[HeliFNQ]

Not sure about fitting it onto the vehicle but I read that after you use the jack it is very tedious to retract the piston - a pity as it looked a lot safer than a roo jack.

Yes, I believe the ARB "Jack" is difficult to retract and I will ask ARB to show me the best manner to do this, when I go and pick it up from the store,otherwise it will certainly be a frustration to not be able to pack it away quickly.

In the process of fitting rock sliders from APT and with bull bars as front and rear of the Disco 4, it will give the jacking points required on the vehicle.

[DieselLSE]

20th at best.. [emoji41]

The old Hi-lift is 19th [emoji41]
18th more likely. Pretty sure Captain Cook had one. Used it when grounded on the Great Barrier Reef.

[PeterJ]

Is there a different option available?Bought a 6T electric/hydraulic jack, quite low profile and good extension, has a remote switch so no need to be under the vehicle when jacking. Tried it out in the shed (I know, worst place to try things) and worked very well for the car and caravan. Reasonable light, and compact, you can do adaptor for chassis rail as per bottle jack.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/88015f3a0d3daa90a45bcfa6986cab2c.jpg

[Tombie]

Bought a 6T electric/hydraulic jack, quite low profile and good extension, has a remote switch so no need to be under the vehicle when jacking. Tried it out in the shed (I know, worst place to try things) and worked very well for the car and caravan. Reasonable light, and compact, you can do adaptor for chassis rail as per bottle jack.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/88015f3a0d3daa90a45bcfa6986cab2c.jpg

Did you see if you could fit it under with the tyre dead flat?

[Aussie Jeepster]

Did you see if you could fit it under with the tyre dead flat?

I must admit that I've looked at that unit, but same question as Tombie - will it fit under with a flat?

[RHS58]

I must admit that I've looked at that unit, but same question as Tombie - will it fit under with a flat?

In theory I’d drive the flat onto a block or two of wood, then hopefully have enough clearance to get the jack under.

[John_D4]

150mm min height is pretty low. Blackwoods jack is 181mm

[PeterJ]

Good question Mike, should have included it in my first comment, but here I am in Exmouth with a bit of spare time so here is a local reenactment.
Yes it does, under the chassis lifting point, infact you can extend the adjustment screw, see pictures. It won't fit under the control arm but if you drove the wheel onto a 50mm block it would fit.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/1e8f46e8c14edca68b0929cfe89bf8b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/03affc124e91f24264a4cb80c95de258.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/83763805a528a2449d5c7827c31582c1.jpg

[Tombie]

Thanks John… how’s Exmouth?

[John_D4]

Good question Mike, should have included it in my first comment, but here I am in Exmouth with a bit of spare time so here is a local reenactment.
Yes it does, under the chassis lifting point, infact you can extend the adjustment screw, see pictures. It won't fit under the control arm but if you drove the wheel onto a 50mm block it would fit.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/1e8f46e8c14edca68b0929cfe89bf8b9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/03affc124e91f24264a4cb80c95de258.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/83763805a528a2449d5c7827c31582c1.jpg

Does it seem solidly made?

[PeterJ]

Yeah, there are quite a few variations out there so be careful with your selection. This one is rated at 6 tonnes but I think they're a bit soft on the 6 tons might be Chinese tons or something, [emoji37] anyway it does the job but it's like everything it's not perfect but it's usable for what I wanted which was the car and caravan combined.
Certainly the usual safety precautions but the base is solid, probably as wide as the bottle jack but I'm not sure I don't have one and not have I made any measurements but it would certainly be longer so if you orientate the jack in the direction that the vehicle is least stable when you're lifting it you've got a good level of support. The remote switch was a winner for me and enabeling me to get out from underneath the caravan if I was jacking a caravan wheel also applies to the car.

I must admit that I've looked at that unit, but same question as Tombie - will it fit under with a flat?

[PeterJ]

Bit OT, but Exmouth is fantastic, two days ago.
Bucket list is taking a hammering this trip.[emoji16]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/84ebd9b6037ab8285c8693d7478fede7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/d781aa861fb2bc179dfb356622336418.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210723/6fe8a3dead01e9c480bc18d5eaa137d6.jpg

[PeterJ]

Just wanted to add that that lift was with car at normal height if I put it into off-road height and then extended the lead screw out to contact the chassis rail the suspension would not droop as much from the static height during the lift hence you should get a better clearance under the wheel.

[PJJ]

For my 2 Bobs worth - I have been using an aluminum (less weight to carry around) low line trolley Jack. It will fit under the lower control arm with the tyre flat & will also lift the flat tyre off the ground on full extended suspension.
Works for me.

Phil

[DiscoJeffster]

For my 2 Bobs worth - I have been using an aluminum (less weight to carry around) low line trolley Jack. It will fit under the lower control arm with the tyre flat & will also lift the flat tyre off the ground on full extended suspension.
Works for me.

Phil

Not exactly compact though

[Tombie]

Bloody hell… 15-20kg of trolley jack for the rare/occasional flat tyre?

[101RRS]

When driving around home I just carry tyre plugs and the standard jack. The standard jack is a disaster waiting to happen but is there as a backup to the tyre plugs.

When going away I take the hydraulic jack I use on my 101. It has the lift but a bit high when down for the RRS. I just use the standard jack to lift the car a bit (doesnt get into the danger zone) then just put the hydraulic under and up the car goes.

Easy peasy.

Just on hi lift jacks - I have mine since 1978 and rarely use it - too dangerous and the old series did fall off it once and it has sconed me on the head. What I have found that when bogged, even in something like a series is that the jack is right down and there is no room to use the handle as the ground is too close - then you dig a hole to allow the handle to be used but the base can move and make the thing even more dangerous. I still have the high lift but it now lives around the side of the house not used.