Energy transition in Australia: the role of batteries, pumped hydro and the future of

[Arapiles]

Energy transition in Australia: the role of batteries, pumped hydro and the future of the grid
Energy Transition in Australia: the Role of Batteries, Pumped Hydro & the Grid | G+T (https://www.gtlaw.com.au/knowledge/energy-transition-australia-role-batteries-pumped-hydro-future-grid)

[DiscoMick]

That's a very comprehensive report. Thanks.

[DiscoMick]

Here is how to cut industrial emissions in Australia. It can be done. Exports of minerals needed by low-emissions industries could also become worth much more than coal.

Blueprint for emissions reduction: major industry policy changes needed for Australia to reach net zero | Greenhouse gas emissions | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/23/blueprint-for-emissions-reduction-major-industry-policy-changes-needed-for-australia-to-reach-net-zero?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)

[RANDLOVER]

Rural Australia is pockmarked with small dams. Researchers say they could also be 'batteries' - ABC News (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-09-07/rural-australia-is-pockmarked-with-small-dams-batteries/102799756)

Pumped hydro is looking even better as "There are over 30,000 paired dams across Australia that could produce power"

[NavyDiver]

Energy transition in Australia: the role of batteries, pumped hydro and the future of the grid


Energy Transition in Australia: the Role of Batteries, Pumped Hydro & the Grid | G+T (https://www.gtlaw.com.au/knowledge/energy-transition-australia-role-batteries-pumped-hydro-future-grid)

Did you see todays 1 billion by WA? [bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

"The West Australian government says it has awarded contracts worth more than $1 billion with China battery maker CATL to supply batteries for two of the country’s biggest battery projects.The contracts awarded to Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Limited (CATL) are for the 200MW/800MWh second stage of the Kwinana big battery, which has already begun early works, and the 500MW/2000MWh Collie big battery, also being developed by Synergy.
The awarding of the contract to CATL should not be a big surprise given that it supplied the batteries to the first 100MW/200MWh stage of the Kwinana battery. But it still represents a major win for the company in the face of competition from Tesla, Fluence, Wartsilla and others.
The WA government said in a statement that the contracts would involve about 300 of CATL’s EnerC Plus, containerised liquid-cooling battery systems for the Kwinana project, and about 650 EnerC Plus systems for Collie." Link (https://reneweconomy.com.au/chinas-catl-lands-billion-dollar-contracts-for-two-massive-battery-projects-in-wa/)

Noted CATL is about to start 500wh per KG this year in another car thread- I wonder if that is in the WA 1 billion $$$ batteries

Eletric Jesus might be miffed[bigwhistle] Its "950 EnerC Plus containerised liquid-cooling battery systems" Seems a big deal. "200MW/800MWh second stage of the Kwinana big battery, which has already begun early works, and the 500MW/2000MWh Collie big battery, also being developed by Synergy."

Being lazy after a long drive and 4am start- I wonder how long that power WA for?

[123rover50]

Energy transition in Australia: the role of batteries, pumped hydro and the future of the grid


Energy Transition in Australia: the Role of Batteries, Pumped Hydro & the Grid | G+T (https://www.gtlaw.com.au/knowledge/energy-transition-australia-role-batteries-pumped-hydro-future-grid)

It does not mention the Borumba pumped Hydro here in SEQ which is causing such a fuss with affected landowners due to power lines crossing their land and having it resumed.

[Tombie]

Did you see todays 1 billion by WA? [bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

"The West Australian government says it has awarded contracts worth more than $1 billion with China battery maker CATL to supply batteries for two of the country’s biggest battery projects.The contracts awarded to Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Limited (CATL) are for the 200MW/800MWh second stage of the Kwinana big battery, which has already begun early works, and the 500MW/2000MWh Collie big battery, also being developed by Synergy.
The awarding of the contract to CATL should not be a big surprise given that it supplied the batteries to the first 100MW/200MWh stage of the Kwinana battery. But it still represents a major win for the company in the face of competition from Tesla, Fluence, Wartsilla and others.
The WA government said in a statement that the contracts would involve about 300 of CATL’s EnerC Plus, containerised liquid-cooling battery systems for the Kwinana project, and about 650 EnerC Plus systems for Collie." Link (https://reneweconomy.com.au/chinas-catl-lands-billion-dollar-contracts-for-two-massive-battery-projects-in-wa/)

Noted CATL is about to start 500wh per KG this year in another car thread- I wonder if that is in the WA 1 billion $$$ batteries

Eletric Jesus might be miffed[bigwhistle] Its "950 EnerC Plus containerised liquid-cooling battery systems" Seems a big deal. "200MW/800MWh second stage of the Kwinana big battery, which has already begun early works, and the 500MW/2000MWh Collie big battery, also being developed by Synergy."

Being lazy after a long drive and 4am start- I wonder how long that power WA for?

Given the 100MWh one up the road can run our plant for about 5 minutes - this one could keep us going for about 40min if it was in SA... [bigwhistle]

Once again on Sunday, temps in high 30s and not a single wind turbine moving - out of about 100 of the buggers!

[NavyDiver]

This pod cast brought up that the quoted Experts on the Energy transition specifically exclude the Distribution cost or assumes the cost remains the same! Static??
Unsupported browser (https://open.spotify.com/episode/2nP7qm7QzFYkCuR9yjUM1b'si=cba38c31b9b2419e)


AEMO | Australian Energy Market Operator (https://aemo.com.au/) and CSIRO costing bits and dumping on nuclear energy? its a odd world here in OZ

Marinus Link is (was) a proposed 1500 megawatt capacity high voltage direct current (HVDC (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=14bfb659d69cc6a2JmltdHM9MTY5NjExODQwMCZpZ3VpZD0w YzI2OGJiNi1lZjE0LTY4NWQtMDZlOC04MDFiZWVhMjY5ZGUmaW 5zaWQ9NTYxOQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0c268bb6-ef14-685d-06e8-801beea269de&u=a1L3NlYXJjaD9xPUhpZ2gtdm9sdGFnZSUyMGRpcmVjdCUyMG N1cnJlbnQlMjB3aWtpcGVkaWEmZm9ybT1XSUtJUkU&ntb=1)) electricity interconnector (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=6292dc0b2da1d249JmltdHM9MTY5NjExODQwMCZpZ3VpZD0w YzI2OGJiNi1lZjE0LTY4NWQtMDZlOC04MDFiZWVhMjY5ZGUmaW 5zaWQ9NTYyMA&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0c268bb6-ef14-685d-06e8-801beea269de&u=a1L3NlYXJjaD9xPUludGVyY29ubmVjdG9yJTIwd2lraXBlZG lhJmZvcm09V0lLSVJF&ntb=1), to strengthen the connection between the Australian states of Tasmania (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=1b34810ee5be2ba1JmltdHM9MTY5NjExODQwMCZpZ3VpZD0w YzI2OGJiNi1lZjE0LTY4NWQtMDZlOC04MDFiZWVhMjY5ZGUmaW 5zaWQ9NTYyMQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0c268bb6-ef14-685d-06e8-801beea269de&u=a1L3NlYXJjaD9xPVRhc21hbmlhJTIwd2lraXBlZGlhJmZvcm 09V0lLSVJF&ntb=1) and Victoria (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=29289965d9220fd9JmltdHM9MTY5NjExODQwMCZpZ3VpZD0w YzI2OGJiNi1lZjE0LTY4NWQtMDZlOC04MDFiZWVhMjY5ZGUmaW 5zaWQ9NTYyMg&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0c268bb6-ef14-685d-06e8-801beea269de&u=a1L3NlYXJjaD9xPVZpY3RvcmlhJTIwKEF1c3RyYWxpYSklMj B3aWtpcGVkaWEmZm9ybT1XSUtJUkU&ntb=1), on Australia (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ab4b106af33405f6JmltdHM9MTY5NjExODQwMCZpZ3VpZD0w YzI2OGJiNi1lZjE0LTY4NWQtMDZlOC04MDFiZWVhMjY5ZGUmaW 5zaWQ9NTYyMw&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0c268bb6-ef14-685d-06e8-801beea269de&u=a1L3NlYXJjaD9xPUF1c3RyYWxpYSUyMHdpa2lwZWRpYSZmb3 JtPVdJS0lSRQ&ntb=1)'s National Electricity Market (https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=2c04bc7f89b7f87bJmltdHM9MTY5NjExODQwMCZpZ3VpZD0w YzI2OGJiNi1lZjE0LTY4NWQtMDZlOC04MDFiZWVhMjY5ZGUmaW 5zaWQ9NTYyNA&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=0c268bb6-ef14-685d-06e8-801beea269de&u=a1L3NlYXJjaD9xPU5hdGlvbmFsJTIwRWxlY3RyaWNpdHklMj BNYXJrZXQlMjB3aWtpcGVkaWEmZm9ybT1XSUtJUkU&ntb=1). It involves approximately 250 km of subsea cables and approximately 90 km of underground land cables. originally estimated to cost between $3.1 billion and $3.8 billion. It blew up by at least another 1.5 billion before it was scaled back to one cable still costing about the same as the original price!!!!

Cut in half and even then Tassi wanted to sink it as a Dog. Victoria bailed it out with a few billion we do not have!!!! An enquiry by the TAS parliament should scare some and make taxpayers grumpy !
"Today they've admitting it was a stinker for Tasmania. They are a national joke."


Those grumpy feed in tarrifs are just 4 to 12 cents might not know
VIC "CURRENT SPOT PRICE (/MWh) -$103.08"
NSW -$50
SA -$99
QLD- -$40
WA $0
TAS $11.27


Yet we are paying more for it due to the insane disjointed and failure to objectively look at all costs not the blind freddy Trust me by some!!

[Tins]

Nice to see batteries working so well at heating Rockhampton recently.

[NavyDiver]

The true cost is NOT stated! One thing is certain. We will be paying a LOT more for it!

"AEMO avoids specifying the total costs involved. But, from an interview with Daniel Westerman, the head of AEMO, the Australian Financial Review (https://www.copyright%20link/companies/energy/infrastructure-companies-scramble-for-a-piece-of-energy-transition-20220701-p5ayff) construed it at $320 billion (about $12 billion a year) to 2050. This excludes the cost of the distribution system – 40 per cent of the total costs – which will require massive augmentations if the electric vehicle aspirations are to be met.
The planned new system brings much higher prices. Compared with under $40 per MWh prior to 2016, spot prices are now running at over $200 per MWh. That’s over twice what any of the experts hired by the regulators predicted.
" Link (https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/07/the-expensive-brave-new-world-of-clean-energy/)

[scarry]

One thing is certain. We will be paying a LOT more for it!

Blind Freddy could see that was going to happen.

And, like fuel,it will feed inflation.