Somethings you don't ask on Face book.

[Roverlord off road spares]

With the talk lately about recognition of the Indigenous people of this land, and the reference to the traditional owners on Government sites etc.
So I asked a question on the local community facebook group on the local Shire
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The question was asking opinions in regards to whether to rename the shire in recognition of the original indigenous people.

Well it went viral, I had about 180 responses in 18 mins, and growing rapidly every few seconds.
. There were many that liked the idea but there were many that didn't and you could see the prejudice coming out in people. So not wanting to start a civil war I decided to delete the post. I did not realise the sentiment of some people in the area I live in. I do live in a 99% white caucasion area and the only multicuturalism around is some 3rd generation Dutchies and Germans in the fresh flower industry, a schmatering of asian run shops.

There are some things you just don't ask or hint a suggestion.

[Eevo]

lives in a 99% white caucasion area
asks question on fb about persecuting white caucasion people

what could possibly go wrong?

[jonesfam]

lives in a 99% white caucasion area
asks question on fb about persecuting white caucasion people

what could possibly go wrong?

How is asking if a name could/should/might be changed persecuting anyone? Let alone a particular group?
Such a name change could be a recognition of heritage & thousands of place names in Oz have indigenous origins.
If folks feel persecuted by it they have the problem I think.
BTW I feel the same way about changing the name of products that were never intended to offend.
Jonesfam

[Eevo]

How is asking if a name could/should/might be changed persecuting anyone? Let alone a particular group?
Such a name change could be a recognition of heritage & thousands of place names in Oz have indigenous origins.
If folks feel persecuted by it they have the problem I think.
BTW I feel the same way about changing the name of products that were never intended to offend.
Jonesfam

the name is only being changed cause its a white name. that's persecution.

[NavyDiver]

Mount Corhanwarrabul or Mount Daungwurrung both derived from the Woiwurrung and now is just a smidgen away with the anglicized spelling?


Names predated most of us. Streets near me had German names. All changed during WW1! Wilhelm, Bismarck and Waldau are foot recent foot notes.

Original name for Dandenong Creek was Narra Narrawong.
We all know where that starts[biggrin] with a little rearrangement we have clearly got some current names which are from Woiwurrung .

Ikara ranges is in my view cool. Captain Matthew Flinders was an English navigator and cartographer yet I bet over a beer he would agree people had names for many of the places he mapped as he had help via Aboriginal translator, Bungaree.

Bungaree became the first known Aboriginal person to circumnavigate Australia and contribute to the mapping of the Australian coastline with Capt Flinders[thumbsupbig] A few places ring a bell with the names? Postcode 3352 is only 11km from Ballarat's name was derived from two Aboriginal words meaning “resting place”

Chatted with a 90 year old+ last week who lives in a house older than he is which was on Bismarck st and Waldau lane before lots of new houses hid the beautiful old place names. I will ask him if he knows many of the local place names.

The haters you met in your post probably have NFI where they live.

[jonesfam]

the name is only being changed cause its a white name. that's persecution.

Is the colour of the skin important?
It may be considered a question of culture but then again the Australian culture is diverse, mixed & diluted, it's is not Anglo.
Jonesfam

[incisor]

Is the colour of the skin important?
It may be considered a question of culture but then again the Australian culture is diverse, mixed & diluted, it's is not Anglo.
Jonesfam

only to racists ....

[DiscoMick]

The whole country originally had indigenous names, so why not use them?

Map of Indigenous Australia | AIATSIS (https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia)

[gusthedog]

the name is only being changed cause its a white name. that's persecution.Cambridge dictionary define persecution as unfair or cruel treatment over a long period of time. I think you'll find this is an example of indigenous people having named something which then whitefellas renamed - that's the persecution on show.

I think it's a great idea personally - renaming areas their proper traditional name.

[Eevo]

Cambridge dictionary define persecution as unfair or cruel treatment over a long period of time. I think you'll find this is an example of indigenous people having named something which then whitefellas renamed - that's the persecution on show.

I think it's a great idea personally - renaming areas their proper traditional name.


ironic that your using a white culture dictionary lol

persecution
/pəːsɪˈkjuːʃn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs; oppression.
"her family fled religious persecution"

[Saitch]

The whole country originally had indigenous names, so why not use them?

Map of Indigenous Australia | AIATSIS (https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia)

I tend to agree, but what was Sydney called, prior to 1788?

[gusthedog]

ironic that your using a white culture dictionary lol

persecution
/pəːsɪˈkjuːʃn/
Learn to pronounce
noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs; oppression.
"her family fled religious persecution"

Equally ironic that you’re arguing with me in English….

[V8Ian]

I tend to agree, but what was Sydney called, prior to 1788?
What was Goodna called prior to whitefellas arrival and what did it mean?
Who said Aborigines have no sense of humour? [biggrin]

[Saitch]

What was Goodna called prior to whitefellas arrival and what did it mean?
Who said Aborigines have no sense of humour? [biggrin]

The ones I have worked and played with, all had a great sense of humour, albeit a little different to us white fellas. They did like my sense of humour, too, which isn't saying much, I suppose.[bighmmm]

[Barraman]

How do shires fit into indigenous culture?

[Eevo]

Equally ironic that you’re arguing with me in English….
sic est vera, non enim continue latine?

[Tombie]

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I think it's a great idea personally - renaming areas their proper traditional name.

Bring back the Horseless carriage [bigsmile]


Just changing names isnt the answer though - never has been in any way shape or form.

[gusthedog]

Bring back the Horseless carriage [bigsmile]


Just changing names isnt the answer though - never has been in any way shape or form.Its a step in the right direction. Like acknowledging the impact of early colonialism in our country. Part of the healing process.

We can't move forward and support all cultures without acknowledgement of crappy stuff that's happened in the past.

We don't have to dwell on it but each step we make forward is a step towards acknowledgement. Reverting names back to traditional names is an easy way to start that process.

[NavyDiver]

Bring back the Horseless carriage [bigsmile]


Just changing names isnt the answer though - never has been in any way shape or form.

Did you know the history of your place Toombie? No need to change as its been that for 1000s of years. Almost true as some swagman changed it to Hummock Hill for a while, changed in 1920 back to Whyalla which is an Aboriginal term meaning “place with deep water.” [thumbsupbig]

[NavyDiver]

'Canberra', The name probably derived from a local Aboriginal word for 'meeting place' and had been in common use in the district for more than three-quarters of a century

Some times we cannot see the woods for the trees [thumbsupbig]

[Tombie]

Did you know the history of your place Toombie? No need to change as its been that for 1000s of years. Almost true as some swagman changed it to Hummock Hill for a while, changed in 1920 back to Whyalla which is an Aboriginal term meaning “place with deep water.” [thumbsupbig]

I’m good mates with an Elder. I’ve got quite a bit of knowledge on it.

Btw, that naming belief is incorrect [emoji3166]

We have several places around here with their original names / definitions. The stories behind some of them are pretty interesting.