DELWP game licence.

[gusthedog]

Just got my game licence renewal in the post. When I got my gun licence 3 years ago, the game licence cost $11 for three years. The renewal for 3 years is over $240!!!! Holy snapping turtles batman. That's some serious inflation.

So I think I'll pass. Thanks Victoria.

[Grumbles]

You may have misread the renewal mate. A 3 year concessional [pensioner] licence for deer is $88.80 for 3 years

A no discount license for deer is $177.60 for a 3 year game licence.

If you add duck and quail it costs more again.

[Tote]

Why would you need to pay to shoot feral vertebrates (deer)?

Regards,
Tote

[DieselLSE]

Why would you need to pay to shoot feral vertebrates (deer)?

Regards,
Tote
In Victoria deer are classified as game.

[jonesfam]

You need a license to play Monopoly?

[Roverlord off road spares]

In Victoria deer are classified as game.
they a a pest game, over run with them here that culling is going on

[DieselLSE]

they a a pest game, over run with them here that culling is going on
Yes, since early 2000s hunting has been banned in the Warburton area. That removed the only predator preventing sambar deer growing in numbers and expanding their range. Add to that all the failed deer farm "escapees", predominantly fallow and red, being free to establish their herds in the same general area. Wild (and domestic) dogs do kill very young or injured animals, but have little effect on numbers.
I've been part of the culling in Sherbrooke and on surrounding properties, but this has been severely impacted by Covid restrictions and lack of access to some properties where deer feed in great numbers at night before heading back to protected areas in the forest.

[101RRS]

Why would you need to pay to shoot feral vertebrates (deer)?

Regards,
Tote
For the same reason you need to pay to catch feral fish (trout) - money for the government.

[Tombie]

Don’t feel too bad.
I spend exotic amounts of money to hunt paper at long distances [emoji41]

Today was 800 yards

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[Tote]

Well, I've learned something, I've seen them in the high country and assumed they were just pests like pigs........

Regards,
Tote

[chuck]

Hope no one uses the car park in front of you lol

[NavyDiver]

Yes, since early 2000s hunting has been banned in the Warburton area. That removed the only predator preventing sambar deer growing in numbers and expanding their range. Add to that all the failed deer farm "escapees", predominantly fallow and red, being free to establish their herds in the same general area. Wild (and domestic) dogs do kill very young or injured animals, but have little effect on numbers.
I've been part of the culling in Sherbrooke and on surrounding properties, but this has been severely impacted by Covid restrictions and lack of access to some properties where deer feed in great numbers at night before heading back to protected areas in the forest.
Melbourne Water is one of the worst. they do not allow hunters to take them out then pay a nice gent to shoot about 1000 every few years or so. The no hunting areas allow significant numbers to breed up and spread out. No or poor management of weeds or animals including wild Deer, dogs, cats and kangaroos is a real issue in large areas restricted often very close to Melbourne.

Not at all shocked to find deer sign very close to Melbourne on a few trails I ride my treddly on. Foxes as well. More in the city than in the country [biggrin] Safer here for them.

[Tombie]

Hope no one uses the car park in front of you lol

Haha. That’s the 700 [emoji41]

[350RRC]

For the same reason you need to pay to catch feral fish (trout) - money for the government.

...................... to restock some streams and other water bodies with more trout. It's called cost recovery.

On a different angle, I once wrote a proposal for an acquaintance to get a commercial carp licence in Vic, where carp is sometimes used as commercial lobster bait.

No probs with obtaining the new licence. When this guy went for the required interview for final approval (like 'meet and greet' or 'fair and honest person check') he was informed that his catch would come under quota management in the future.

I kid you not, DL

[scarry]

Don’t feel too bad.
I spend exotic amounts of money to hunt paper at long distances [emoji41]

Today was 800 yards



Looks like its blowing a bit,so that will be interesting at 800yds.

A mate of mine hunts deer not far from here at an average of 1000M,sometimes over.

I havent got the patience,i prefer pigs at a 100M[biggrin][thumbsupbig]

[DieselLSE]

Don’t feel too bad.
I spend exotic amounts of money to hunt paper at long distances [emoji41]
Lousy eating, but.

[350RRC]

Melbourne Water is one of the worst. they do not allow hunters to take them out then pay a nice gent to shoot about 1000 every few years or so. The no hunting areas allow significant numbers to breed up and spread out. No or poor management of weeds or animals including wild Deer, dogs, cats and kangaroos is a real issue in large areas restricted often very close to Melbourne.

Not at all shocked to find deer sign very close to Melbourne on a few trails I ride my treddly on. Foxes as well. More in the city than in the country [biggrin] Safer here for them.

MW is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

They are stuck between gov pressure to open up areas for 'recreation' and the massive (billions) cost of new water treatment plants that would be required as a result of letting the masses in.

A good friend of mine has been involved with these issues at a high level and it ain't as simple as it looks.

DL

[trout1105]

In Wa we don't have a hunting licence fee just the annual fire arms licence fee has to be paid .
To go fishing in WA however has Many differant fees.

Fishing from a boat $40
Fishing for Marron $50
Collecting abalone $50
Using a cast/haul net $50
Freshwater fishing $50
Fishing for rock lobster $50

[NavyDiver]

MW is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

They are stuck between gov pressure to open up areas for 'recreation' and the massive (billions) cost of new water treatment plants that would be required as a result of letting the masses in.

A good friend of mine has been involved with these issues at a high level and it ain't as simple as it looks.

DL
I agree - some people who shoot leave almost the entire remains and others take everything. The gent you know if he is the man with a cool noise moderator has attended a Park Vic accreditation shoot with many ADA (Australian Deer Association) people and has no hassles with him at all. [thumbsupbig] SSAA also has Park Vic accreditation program as does Field and Game I think or many of those helpful people do it with ADA or SSAA I assume if not[smilebigeye]

A.D.A. was happy to do it for free with Parks Vic accredited people on a regular managed basis which Melbourne water declined oddly as they pay for rare occasion effort[bigwhistle].

[350RRC]

I agree - some people who shoot leave almost the entire remains and others take everything. The gent you know if he is the man with a cool noise moderator has attended a Park Vic accreditation shoot with many ADA (Australian Deer Association) people and has no hassles with him at all. [thumbsupbig] SSAA also has Park Vic accreditation program as does Field and Game I think or many of those helpful people do it with ADA or SSAA I assume if not[smilebigeye]

A.D.A. was happy to do it for free with Parks Vic accredited people on a regular managed basis which Melbourne water declined oddly as they pay for rare occasion effort[bigwhistle].

She's not a gent.

There are major differences between the outcomes of Parks managed land and land set aside for MW catchments and they are managed as such.

DL

[NavyDiver]

She's not a gent.

There are major differences between the outcomes of Parks managed land and land set aside for MW catchments and they are managed as such.

DL

My sincere apologies. My assumption it may have been the person who came to the accreditation put me well of track.

MW is in my view very deficient in just one or two small areas of land management. In general I add I think we have some of the best Drinking water in the world. Not having a dig at a northern state above me yet know I can taste the huge difference as can almost anyone with taste buds [biggrin]

[Grumbles]

In Victoria there are 3 classifications for animals in the wild - Game, Pest and Feral. All have legal implications for each species listed as such. There is also some overlap of species in the Pest and Feral Classifications.

Deer are a game species and are managed as such with deer hunters needing a license to hunt them. If deer were to be moved from Game to Pest or Feral classifications then this would have unwanted repercussions.

In some areas of public land all three classification species can be hunted. In other areas only deer may be hunted. If a recreational deer hunter encounters any pest or feral species he cannot hunt them. They are totally protected. If deer lose their Game status then vast areas of public land would see deer numbers expand without any control.

[scarry]

In Wa we don't have a hunting licence fee just the annual fire arms licence fee has to be paid .
To go fishing in WA however has Many differant fees.

Fishing from a boat $40
Fishing for Marron $50
Collecting abalone $50
Using a cast/haul net $50
Freshwater fishing $50
Fishing for rock lobster $50

In Qld,we have a firearms license,i ticked the 10yr box,so renewel in 10yrs,cant remember how much it was,maybe around $200 or $250?
Different categories for different weapons.

No recreational fishing license required,unlike NSW,which is a PITA.

The firearms branch are pretty active, checking that the safe is correct,and the registered firearms,ammo,bolts, are where they should be, etc,etc.
Mine are kept in a safe at one of my Brothers,he has been checked twice in the last 6 yrs,yet others we know have never been checked.

[TonyC]

In Victoria there are 3 classifications for animals in the wild - Game, Pest and Feral. All have legal implications for each species listed as such. There is also some overlap of species in the Pest and Feral Classifications.

Deer are a game species and are managed as such with deer hunters needing a license to hunt them. If deer were to be moved from Game to Pest or Feral classifications then this would have unwanted repercussions.

In some areas of public land all three classification species can be hunted. In other areas only deer may be hunted. If a recreational deer hunter encounters any pest or feral species he cannot hunt them. They are totally protected. If deer lose their Game status then vast areas of public land would see deer numbers expand without any control.Hi Gumbles,
Can you explain this a bit further please.
Where can you hunt game, but not feral animals?
Thanks
Tony

[DieselLSE]

Hi Gumbles,
Can you explain this a bit further please.
Where can you hunt game, but not feral animals?
Thanks
Tony
Certain parts of Victoria are classified National Parks. In some of these parks there are areas in which deer hunting only is permitted (and some areas where hunting with hounds is permitted in season). To hunt deer you need a firearms licence and a Victorian game licence endorsed for deer hunting (and/or deer hunting with hounds). You are only permitted to carry a deer hunting calibre firearm (.270 minimum for sambar) and you are only permitted to fire at a deer. Not rabbits or foxes or wild dogs or targets or anything else. Sighting in is also prohibited. You are expected to arrive fully prepared. It is also illegal to carry your firearm on any part of the National Park where deer hunting is not permitted or where there is a seasonal closure.
On other public land, the hunting of feral animals is usually permitted and sometimes deer as well. The Victorian Game Management Authority website has downloadable maps indicating where you can hunt deer.

[Grumbles]

DieselLSE is on the money Tony.
Info may be found in the link below.

Where to hunt - Game Management Authority (https://www.gma.vic.gov.au/hunting/deer/where-to-hunt)

State Forests may be hunted for Feral, Vermin and all deer species. Hunting with dogs is permitted but again there are a bundle of regulations covering this subject. The designated hunting areas of National Parks are for deer only.

Just be careful if in a State Forest that there is no Lease on it held by a farmer. A lease confers private property rights to the lease holder and to hunt it for anything you need the permission of the lease holder.

There are no leases on the deer huntable areas of National Parks.

[Tombie]

Looks like its blowing a bit,so that will be interesting at 800yds.

A mate of mine hunts deer not far from here at an average of 1000M,sometimes over.

I havent got the patience,i prefer pigs at a 100M[biggrin][thumbsupbig]

Was annoying day…

Elevation spot on, grouping unfortunately not so good. Spread over 200mm [emoji3525]

Having said that, the spread is still a safe hit on a Deer at that range. [emoji41]

[350RRC]

My sincere apologies. My assumption it may have been the person who came to the accreditation put me well of track.

MW is in my view very deficient in just one or two small areas of land management. In general I add I think we have some of the best Drinking water in the world. Not having a dig at a northern state above me yet know I can taste the huge difference as can almost anyone with taste buds [biggrin]

No offence taken. What I was referring to was several levels above a bloke chatting about shooting protocols.

MW are the de-facto CMA for all the streams from the Werribee R. in the west to the Bass R. in the east.

Have done fish surveys in pretty much every stream from west to east, sometimes more than twice.

Their weed program is remarkable, some sites are not able to be recognised even using photos we took for reports.

Has downsides though, where big blackfish were plentiful underneath the blackberries, no blackberries.........more recs, no blackies. etc, etc.

DL

[skidrov]

Not at all shocked to find deer sign very close to Melbourne on a few trails I ride my treddly on. Foxes as well. More in the city than in the country [biggrin] Safer here for them.

A slight thread hijack (sorry): multiple fox sightings here in St Kilda East. Even in daylight... so there's a lot, and/or they're hungry... We make sure the cat is in at night (always a good idea anyway).

But, not the sort of place you're going to get even the .22 out. And, no reported damage to my knowledge. Yet.

[350RRC]

... We make sure the cat is in at night (always a good idea anyway)...................



Don't your cats have to be registered and kept inside at night anyway?

DL

[skidrov]

Registered yes, not sure about have to be inside at night. But again, never going to argue with it being a good idea to do so. For many reasons.

[POD]

Foxes have been well established in Melbourne for decades. I remember hearing a summary of a study a few years ago, they stated that you are never likely to be more than a few hundred meters from a fox anywhere in Melbourne.
WRT hunting, I do find it puzzling that if I am hunting deer in the permitted areas of the Alpine National Park, I'm not permitted to shoot a fox that I encounter. In state forest (with many exceptions), I can hunt deer and can also opportunistically destroy foxes, rabbits, pigs etc. Camping on the Caledonia River last year we had a pack of dogs come through our camp one morning; they live on native wildlife, are a threat to humans, there is a $100 bounty on them but I could have been fined heavily if I had shot one.

[Grumbles]

I do find it puzzling that if I am hunting deer in the permitted areas of the Alpine National Park, I'm not permitted to shoot a fox that I encounter. .
I can give you an explanation of why this is.

Allowing us to hunt deer in selected parts of the Alpine National Park was enacted via being part of legislation passed by parliament.

This is different to most of our hunting rules which are regulations written and enforced by what ever government department is involved. These regs can be altered, with draewn etc at a departmental level and without reference to parliament.

If we want to change the legislation to allow us to hunt feral/vermin species alongside deer in National Parks then it has to be done through parliament aka irst the lower house and then the upper house.

The politicians are unlikely to give us increased hunting opportunities but rather more likely to take away our right to hunt deer in the Park.

[Grumbles]

St Kilda......But, not the sort of place you're going to get even the .22 out.

I can recall as a kid wandering the streets of Northcote and later on Lalor with a rifle shooting slugs at sparrows and starlings off the streets power lines....and no-one got upset, panicked or called the cops brecause it was normal and accepted behavior. When encountering adults in their front gardens they would ask how many have you got.

When we graduated to .22s we were relegated to empty house blocks and nearby paddocks. Again with the tacit approval of the community and the farmers who owned the paddocks.

A very different world from then to now.[bigsad]

[Tombie]

I can recall as a kid wandering the streets of Northcote and later on Lalor with a rifle shooting slugs at sparrows and starlings off the streets power lines....and no-one got upset, panicked or called the cops brecause it was normal and accepted behavior. When encountering adults in their front gardens they would ask how many have you got.

When we graduated to .22s we were relegated to empty house blocks and nearby paddocks. Again with the tacit approval of the community and the farmers who owned the paddocks.

A very different world from then to now.[bigsad]

I’m fortunate enough to get paid to shoot Pigeons on our plant facilities [emoji41]

[Grumbles]

What do you use Tombie?

[V8Ian]

What do you use Tombie?
50 cal, he gets paid to do the maintenance, too. [wink11][biggrin]

[Tombie]

What do you use Tombie?

Walther Reign - .22 PCP only Air Is allowed for use in building.

One of the other guys uses a Gamo .17

[Tombie]

50 cal, he gets paid to do the maintenance, too. [wink11][biggrin]

Oh how I wish I could own a BMG [emoji56][emoji48]
Would be great at the Range

[DeeJay]

Foxes have been well established in Melbourne for decades. I remember hearing a summary of a study a few years ago, they stated that you are never likely to be more than a few hundred meters from a fox anywhere in Melbourne.
WRT hunting, I do find it puzzling that if I am hunting deer in the permitted areas of the Alpine National Park, I'm not permitted to shoot a fox that I encounter. In state forest (with many exceptions), I can hunt deer and can also opportunistically destroy foxes, rabbits, pigs etc. Camping on the Caledonia River last year we had a pack of dogs come through our camp one morning; they live on native wildlife, are a threat to humans, there is a $100 bounty on them but I could have been fined heavily if I had shot one.

So how many did you get?[biggrin]

Favorite spot there for dog hunting deer too..
On the subject of Foxes in Melb, I drove Taxi's night time in the 70's to 90's & have seen them in just about every suburb. Ones that stood out were the one at the big flagpole top of Elizabeth St city & the one that committed suicide in front of the Kingswood in Queens Rd Albert Park.