What jack to carry?

[Landy Red]

I'm wondering what jacks people are using offroad for the purpose if changing a wheel? I carry the original jack, but honestly have never actually used it and am embarrassed to say I don't know if it would still cut it with the +2 springs and shocks..

Obviously, I've never actually needed to change a wheel on the side of a track, and when have done so in the driveway have used a trolley jack.

I don't fancy trying to use the hi-lift either, for the purpose of doing a wheel change. I've come across some bottle jack with extensions that look interesting but are not cheap...

[travelrover]

A quality 3 ton + bottle jack with a good timer block to spread the load.

There is also an attachment you can get for high lift jacks that ‘plugs’ into the one of the two holes in the rear cross member or your ARB bull bar which makes them much more stable and suitable for changing wheels.

[Landy Red]

I just watched this,
Hi-Lift How-To: Using a Lift-Mate and Off-Road Base on the Trail - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDRKKX3nx6s)

Maybe a simple option is to carry and axle stand and just use the hi-lift and wheel adapter lift mate for the up and down operation only. I guess what worried most about using hilift was the thought of it supporting weight whilst changing tyre

[travelrover]

Here’s the one I was referring too

EXTENDED HI-LIFT JACK ADAPTOR - 350MM Land Rover (https://www.landybitz.com.au/extended-hi-lift-jack-adaptor-350mm)

[Landy Red]

Yeah that looks like a really sensible piece to carry as well cheers.
Here’s the one I was referring too

EXTENDED HI-LIFT JACK ADAPTOR - 350MM Land Rover (https://www.landybitz.com.au/extended-hi-lift-jack-adaptor-350mm)

[travelrover]

There are quite a few different ones if you google them.

You can clearly see the original Land Rover jack points on the back of our puma, and if you zoom in a little to our 110’s you can see them in the ARB bars also.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210831/edb0cb00caa38505703aaa5d8b4f6d91.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210831/fd72114dc6b529eb47dc7352e252d534.jpg

[travelrover]

And while on high lift jacks, I use this Front Runner rear cross member mounting which keeps the weight low and easy to access. You can still mount a front runner rear wheel swing away mount with this in place.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210831/0b9ede2de1eb11eeef8cf87211d15337.jpg


Cheers Simon

[Landy Red]

Have you found that stable enough to lift and hold vehicle without a jack stand underneath axle when just using the hi-lift jack? (Assuming taking other precautions, and using jack base) I'd imagine you'd use most of the length of the hilift to take up the droop of the suspension? Does a 48inch hilift do the job? Or do you use the bottle jack as well? Sorry for all the questions, just curious of the safest, most straight forward way to do this.

[Landy Red]

I've just got mine under the back seat..but strapped to the cargo barrier so it can't move about.
And while on high lift jacks, I use this Front Runner rear cross member mounting which keeps the weight low and easy to access. You can still mount a front runner rear wheel swing away mount with this in place.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210831/0b9ede2de1eb11eeef8cf87211d15337.jpg


Cheers Simon

[travelrover]

Have you found that stable enough to lift and hold vehicle without a jack stand underneath axle when just using the hi-lift jack? (Assuming taking other precautions, and using jack base) I'd imagine you'd use most of the length of the hilift to take up the droop of the suspension? Does a 48inch hilift do the job? Or do you use the bottle jack as well? Sorry for all the questions, just curious of the safest, most straight forward way to do this.

Yes it’s much more stable than using one without the attachment, but always wise to put something under the axle. I always use a large plastic base similar to the one in the video you put up. 48” seems fine for me and the 110 wagon has a two inch lift as well!

[Landy Red]

Great, thanks for the advice and feedback, I'll make some calls in the morning and do a trip into city on weekend if one of the offroad stores stocks the adapter. Looks like I have some experimenting to do. Be nice if I can find a suitable axle stand, as well as one of those plastic bases; ideally stuff that'll fit into my drawers keeping it all secure and accessible.

[filcar]

I just watched this,
Hi-Lift How-To: Using a Lift-Mate and Off-Road Base on the Trail - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDRKKX3nx6s)

Maybe a simple option is to carry and axle stand and just use the hi-lift and wheel adapter lift mate for the up and down operation only. I guess what worried most about using hilift was the thought of it supporting weight whilst changing tyre

That is exactly what I do and it works perfectly. Much easier than crawling around in the dirt or mud positioning a bottle jack.

[LoveMyV8County]

I carry a small-medium size trolley jack everywhere in place of a bottle jack. So much easier and as has been commented no need to crawl around under the vehicle. It fits under the rear seat in my 110 300Tdi.

[VladTepes]

I was about to post just such a thread as this.

I too need to get a jack for my 130 Ute as I just don't have one that works

Mine chassis is a few inches higher than standard I think.

Mainly I need something so that I can change wheels by the side of the road in case of a flat.

So specific suggestions are welcome and ideally with links please :)

[Baytown]

I’m purchasing one of these to carry in my PT1 military trailer.
Absolutly brilliant by all accounts.
‘Until then, I use an ARB Jack and an Air bag air Jack as my 110 is so high.
No issues to date.
3 TON BIG WHEEL OFF-ROAD JACK | Pro Eagle Australia (https://proeagle.com.au/products/3-ton-big-wheel-off-road-jack-kratos-orj3b4x)

[VladTepes]

Super awesome and also super expensive !

[Baytown]

Yep, expensive but serious quality and if it gets you off the side of the track with minimal swearing and sweat, it’s worth the money!

Also doubles in the garage. It’s a better option than my ARB Jak in retrospect and same money, I wish I’d have known last year.

For someone starting out or revamping their garage and recovery gear, this is a great option, replace a high lift Jack, garage trolley at the same time for say $400 more from good quality gear.

Why make life hard if you can get the money together?



Super awesome and also super expensive !

[grey_ghost]

I have been looking for a jack for my 101 - which weighed 3,480kg fully loaded. Haven’t found one yet.

[W&KO]

I was about to post just such a thread as this.

I too need to get a jack for my 130 Ute as I just don't have one that works

Mine chassis is a few inches higher than standard I think.

Mainly I need something so that I can change wheels by the side of the road in case of a flat.

So specific suggestions are welcome and ideally with links please :)

Not sure you’ll find a suitable Jack to Jack from chassis…….

To date I’ve never needed anything more than jacking from under the diff.

I have a Nissan wind up Jack….bit more effort involved but does the job.

[B.S.F.]

I have been looking for a jack for my 101 - which weighed 3,480kg fully loaded. Haven’t found one yet.Do you intend to lift the whole car off the ground ?
.W.

[grey_ghost]

Do you intend to lift the whole car off the ground ?
.W.

No - I wasn’t exactly sure of the maths. Do you need a jack that can safely (in theory) lift the entire weight of the vehicle or does it only need enough capacity to lift one axle?

[Homestar]

Super awesome and also super expensive !

Yeah, looked at the jack and thought ‘that’s awesome, I’d love one’ then I looked at the price as said ‘**** that, beyond what I’d ever spend or could afford to spend on a jack’

Pity though, but I’ll wait for the cheap Chinese knock off.

[Homestar]

No - I wasn’t exactly sure of the maths. Do you need a jack that can safely (in theory) lift the entire weight of the vehicle or does it only need enough capacity to lift one axle?

One axle - a 2 tonne jack (if it has the reach) would do fine. I think that screw shaft jack is only rated at 2 tonnes.

But I’m with you - haven’t found anything I really like or think it usable - will probably be a bottle jack of some description.

[dero]

The Hi lift is like the jack of all trades , awkward & dangerous at times but if you only carry one , you can't beat it .
In a workshop or on the road , a trolley jack is good .
For a 4Wd a good Hi lift is pretty hard to beat .

[philandmickey]

I Carried a high lift for years and never used it.
Then did need it and it did not work as was full of dust etc.
I removed it for our Simpson trip as at 3.66T needed to loose some wait.
I now use a Kingcrome 6T Hydraulic bottle Jack.
It was the same size as the smaller ones but has a bit more lift.
So far I'm well chuffed with it.
I use a laminated ply block for a base if needed to spread the load.

Cheers
Phil

[Xtreme]

I use a 12,000kg hydraulic bottle jack with a 'U' shaped bit I made to fit over the top of the shaft and locates around the axle housing. I also carry a 300mm x 300mm x 6mm piece of checkerplate to use as a base plate when necessary - or as a hotplate when hungry!

AutoOne have hydraulic bottle jacks from 2000kg ($50) to 20,000kgs ($149) with lifts of around 200mm which should be suitable. https://www.autoone.com.au/search?ProductSearch=hydraulic%20bottle%20jacks (https://www.autoone.com.au/search?ProductSearch=draulic%20bottle%20jacks)

[dero]

Bottle jacks are great , especially for changing wheels , but if you are down to the axels they are rather inconvenient .
Add freshly churned mud & it is no fun anymore .
A spray of CRC etc brings most Hilifts back to life .
One day when I am feeling wealthy I will invest in one of the later model lighter weight ones , but for now the old [ probably 25 yrs ] one still gets me out of the **** more often than not .

[VladTepes]

The problem with a hi-lift for me is that - with a 130 - the rear tub overhang makes jacking off the rear cross member impossible.

Safely jacking off the side of vehicle is also problematic so that only leaves the ARB bar at front, assuming an appropriate adapter.

[VladTepes]

I do have a trolley jack (can't recall brand off-hand) but
- it is REALLY REALLY heavy.
- it has steel wheels making it very hard to manoeuvre.
- the jack component (essentially just a bottle jack as with most such units) has failed.

Maybe just needs a rebuild but because of its weight and general unhandiness, I might just be better cutting my losses and putting $ toward a bottle jack.

The biggest issue is of course ensuring that it will fit under the axle/diff when down - give a decent lift to get tyre clear of ground for changing wheels.


@Xtreme is the bottle jack you have from Auto-one? Quality?
I presume "Impact" is their house brand.

Their 10,000kg (I'm sure this capacity would suffice! ) unit
height lowered: 229mm, height raised 459mm, so lift= 230mm
Also seems very (suspiciously? ) affordable at $99.95
90785938 - Impact IG4010 10,000KG Bottle Jack - Auto One (https://www.autoone.com.au/ig4010-impactgar-10t-bottle-jack?SearchID=1468233&SearchPos=7)




Tangentially related

All-terrain jacks comparison test: 4x4 product test (whichcar.com.au) (https://www.whichcar.com.au/gear/recovery/all-terrain-jacks-comparison-test-4x4-product-test)
(mostly high lift but a bottle jack kit or two also mentioned, namely the
Safe Jack line of jacks (safejacks.com) (https://safejacks.com/collections/safe-jack-line-of-jacks) (Several kits available, Made in USA)


and a few other ideas in this thread
4WD roadside tyre changing - best bottle jack? (exploroz.com) (https://www.exploroz.com/forum/105920/4wd-roadside-tyre-changing---best-bottle-jack)

[PWat]

I was about to post just such a thread as this.

I too need to get a jack for my 130 Ute as I just don't have one that works

Mine chassis is a few inches higher than standard I think.

Mainly I need something so that I can change wheels by the side of the road in case of a flat.

So specific suggestions are welcome and ideally with links please :)

I use the original bottle jack under the diff of my 130. It has a 'U' bit on the top so I feel pretty safe and it's also pretty quick. I carry some blocks of wood for stability / extra height if needed and a spare $60 bottle jack in case the original one fails or I need to do a double-lift out of mud etc.

In a previous life I owned a 110 and used a high-lift with an adaptor to fit into the front/rear chassis rails. I would NOT go back to doing that to change a wheel - it's much easier (and safer) to jack up the diff.

[Xtreme]

[QUOTE=VladTepes;3113986].............................

@Xtreme is the bottle jack you have from Auto-one? Quality?
I presume "Impact" is their house brand.

Their 10,000kg (I'm sure this capacity would suffice! ) unit
height lowered: 229mm, height raised 459mm, so lift= 230mm
Also seems very (suspiciously? ) affordable at $99.95
90785938 - Impact IG4010 10,000KG Bottle Jack - Auto One (https://www.autoone.com.au/ig4010-impactgar-10t-bottle-jack?SearchID=1468233&SearchPos=7)
................. /QUOTE]

Bought mine about 12 yrs ago for about $60. It is 210mm when collapsed and 410mm when extended. Just be aware that the extended height includes the screw section which can't be used for lift. I would guess that the 10,000kg 'Impact' unit has a screw section of about 90mm and a hydraulic (lift) section of about 130mm.

https://www.aulro.com/app/data/1033/IMG20211011134642.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/app/data/1033/IMG20211011134512_BURST000_COVER.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/app/data/1033/IMG20211011135353.jpg

A point to note if considering purchase of a bottle jack is that with a flat 235/85x16 tyre, you only have about 210mm under the axle housing. If you're on dirt, you can dig a bit of a hole to sit the jack in if necessary. However if you're on a hard surface then you may have trouble getting your jack under the axle housing if it's collapsed height is more than 210mm.

This mob Product Search (https://www.amanstoyshop.com.au//productkbase.aspx?node=79026) have two and three stage hydraulic lift bottle jacks if you need a squat high lift jack.

[VladTepes]

Xtreme do you find yours is sufficient for tyre chanqe without screw section?



A point to note if considering purchase of a bottle jack is that with a flat 235/85x16 tyre, you only have about 210mm under the axle housing. If you're on dirt, you can dig a bit of a hole to sit the jack in if necessary. However if you're on a hard surface then you may have trouble getting your jack under the axle housing if it's collapsed height is more than 210mm.

This mob Product Search (https://www.amanstoyshop.com.au//productkbase.aspx?node=79026) have two and three stage hydraulic lift bottle jacks if you need a squat high lift jack.

Only two stage jacks there that I can see but as far as min height these two seem suitable

HYDRAULIC JACK 4 TON 2 STAGE 165MM MIN (amanstoyshop.com.au) (https://www.amanstoyshop.com.au//productdetail.aspx?id=7800)
extended height 420mm

HYDRAULIC JACK 6 TON 2 STAGE 154MM MIN (amanstoyshop.com.au) (https://www.amanstoyshop.com.au//productdetail.aspx?id=7808)
extended height not specified on website


The next highest minimum is 230mm (too high)

[Xtreme]

Xtreme do you find yours is sufficient for tyre chanqe without screw section?

...................

Yes. Never had a problem ............... but come to think of it I haven't had that many flats either.

[edddo]

Xtreme do you find yours is sufficient for tyre chanqe without screw section?



Only two stage jacks there that I can see but as far as min height these two seem suitable

HYDRAULIC JACK 4 TON 2 STAGE 165MM MIN (amanstoyshop.com.au) (https://www.amanstoyshop.com.au//productdetail.aspx?id=7800)
extended height 420mm

HYDRAULIC JACK 6 TON 2 STAGE 154MM MIN (amanstoyshop.com.au) (https://www.amanstoyshop.com.au//productdetail.aspx?id=7808)
extended height not specified on website


The next highest minimum is 230mm (too high)

These look ok but do not have a 'V' top to safely jack under the axle?
Dont like the idea of using a block of wood.

[RANDLOVER]

Bottle jacks are great , especially for changing wheels , but if you are down to the axels they are rather inconvenient .
Add freshly churned mud & it is no fun anymore .
A spray of CRC etc brings most Hilifts back to life .
One day when I am feeling wealthy I will invest in one of the later model lighter weight ones , but for now the old [ probably 25 yrs ] one still gets me out of the **** more often than not .

I just used my hi-lift jack to help the young bloke across the road with his camper trailer that had sunk down to the axle on side, due to all the rain we've had in Brisbane. At first he tried a trolley jack but as the wheels couldn't roll it was just leaning over, so he asked me for help. We threaded a rope through the wheel spokes 3 times to make a triple loop to spread the load, put the jack tongue in the loop and lifted it up easily, then put dirt and a long board in the hole left by the wheel and dragged it around, so he can hitch it to his towbar.

[VladTepes]

OTE=travelrover;3106582]A quality 3 ton + bottle jack with a good timer block to spread the load.

There is also an attachment you can get for high lift jacks that ‘plugs’ into the one of the two holes in the rear cross member or your ARB bull bar which makes them much more stable and suitable for changing wheels.[/QUOTE]

Note - unless you have a 130 (or tray back 110) because the tub/tray extends past the rear cross members.